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Anonymous ID:ZkOKUx2w Fri 22 Jun 2012 03:42:13 No.407567107 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>407567252 >>407568580 >>407570693 >>407572082 >>407580473

Suddenly, a Cold War thread appears.

Things seriously proposed or actually built during the Cold War:

>Nuclear thermal rockets like NERVA
>A militarized moon base
>A goddamn Orion nuclear pulse propelled interplanetary battleship
>Rocket guns
>Powered exoskeletons for aircraft loading/maintenance
>Nuclear ramjet cruise missiles that sprayed Cobalt 60 death over enemy territory in between nuke drops
>Militarized space capsules (Blue Gemini, Salyut /Almaz)
>Militarized space planes (DynaSoar, MiG-105)
>HOTOL, NASP, and Saenger II spaceplanes
>Caseless ammunition assault weapons
>Supersonic civilian airliners like the Concorde, Tu144, Lockheed L-2000, Boeing 2707

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 03:43:04 No.407567252 Report

Quoted By: >>407567465

>>407567107
Gyroget rocket gun.

Though inappropriate for short-range use, the rounds actually increased in velocity for a goodly duration of their flight. They are also just perfect for use in low or zero gravity environments when equipped with the proposed plastic "confetti" launcher to counteract momentum imparted to the operator.

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 03:44:11 No.407567465 Report

Quoted By: >>407567871 >>407568504

>>407567252
The Lockheed L2000, proposed as a supersonic transport to be sold to airliner operators worldwide. The basic idea was that a mach 3 airliner could conduct more flights along a given route, thus being profitable despite the added fuel and maintenance costs.

Sure, it was inefficient but we couldn't let the Reds dominate supersonic civilian travel!

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 03:46:30 No.407567871 Report

Quoted By: >>407568041 >>407571221

>>407567465
A caseless assault rifle with a firing rate almost double that of traditional weapons, resulting in an extremely small spread for burst fire.

The G-11 was ultimately considered redundant with the end of the Cold War and the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Though this is indicative of a trend with the West Germans...

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 03:47:23 No.407568041 Report

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>>407567871
... which is also seen with the MBB Lampyridae designed by Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm.

Developed at the same time as but entirely separate from the US F-117 stealth attack aircraft, the Lampyridae was designed as a stealth "missileer" fighter to defend West German airspace.

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 03:49:40 No.407568418 Report

Quoted By: >>407576621

C'mon /b/, get in this thread. Talk about this shit. Talk about technological possibilities.

Talk about the Cold War. Talk about the wonders of science and industry brought about by the biggest arms race in human history.

Though it isn't a particularly impressive-looking aircraft, the A-5 Vigilante is impressive underneath her skin.

She first flew in 1958 but her squared intakes, high monowing, and large stabilizer all resemble aircraft produced 25 years later.

Inside, she had a HUD (heads up display), advanced guidance and targeting computers, inertial navigation, fly-by-wire control, and multi-mode radar with a digital computer to control it all. At the time, that avionics suite was groundbreaking.

She was fast and maneuverable too. Escorting fighters found it difficult to keep up with the Vigilante.

She was decades ahead of her time and a maintenance nightmare, but was also undoubtedly superior to any other bomber of her class and era.

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Anonymous ID:7bGl0cf3 Fri 22 Jun 2012 03:50:10 No.407568504 Report

Quoted By: >>407568673

>>407567465
that thing could fly from New York to LA in like an hour and a half. I bet people would pay the difference of gas etc. for a ticket on a flight that fast. Environmental fags are the ones that ended up killing that project.

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Anonymous ID:ncWN3Qd0 Fri 22 Jun 2012 03:50:35 No.407568580 Report

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>>407567107
i am monitoring

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 03:51:11 No.407568673 Report

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>>407568504
There was concern about sonic booms, yes.

>>407568580
My monitor lizard monitors threads for me.

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Anonymous ID:zWdqIJeQ Fri 22 Jun 2012 03:55:04 No.407569319 Report

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Bumping, this shit is interesting!

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Anonymous ID:7sU8uL/Y Fri 22 Jun 2012 03:57:37 No.407569734 Report

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thank you Cold War space race, for advancing rocket science and getting us to the moon

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 03:58:52 No.407569936 Report

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>>407568673
Which also leads me to the Saenger II, a West German spaceplane proposal.

Developed from work initially done by Saenger during WWII that resulted in the Silbervoegel design proposal, the Saenger II was to be Europe's solution for cheap, reusable manned space flight.

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 03:59:55 No.407570115 Report

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>>407569936
The UK had its own proposal in the form of HOTOL, which was to use a pre-cooled hybrid ramjet/rocket for propulsion.

It lives on today as the SKYLON spaceplane and SABRE engine design. Both are private ventures of Reaction Engines Ltd, a continuation of HOTOL carried on by its original engineers after the UK government ceased funding the project.

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Anonymous ID:7sU8uL/Y Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:00:23 No.407570196 Report

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>>407569734
...and giving us lots of refurbished ICBMs for doing cheap orbital launches!

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:01:48 No.407570451 Report

Quoted By: >>407571127

And who can forget NERVA?

A US proposal for a nuclear thermal rocket to regularly propel cargoes to and from Lunar orbit.

Mission profile was roughly as follows:
>NERVA "shuttle" lofted into low Earth orbit where it sits until needed
>Craft or cargoes dock with NERVA "shuttle" and it then carries said cargo out of Earth's gravity, through cis Lunar space, and into Lunar orbit where it is then either re-fuelled for a return trip or "parked"
>After a life of approximately 30 missions, the NERVA shuttles are fueled one more time to act as high velocity boosters for launching probes to the outer system, missions to Mars, or cargo on one-way trips to Mars.
>Retired or spent boosters could also be cannibalized for their reactors to be used in any number of space applications

>>407570196
The venerable Titan. I'll get to the MOL, Blue Gemini, and Dyna Soar projects soon enough.

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Anonymous ID:9En6OCgJ Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:03:13 No.407570693 Report

Quoted By: >>407571127 >>407572936 >>407591912

>>407567107
Ladies and Gents, I present to you... The Ford Nucleon!
"The design did not include an internal-combustion engine, rather, the vehicle was to be powered by a small nuclear reactor in the rear of the vehicle, based on the assumption that this would one day be possible based on shrinking sizes.The car was to use a steam engine powered by uranium fission similar to how nuclear submarines work." -wiki

This car was an amazing idea. If you dig around on the net, you come to realize that it was way ahead of its' time and was much more friendly to the environment(no carbon emissions, fuel efficient as far as standard miles to the gallon goes, and utilized water as a fuel source, along with radioactive elements)

TL;DR this car could have saved the world from the oil shortage we are dealing with these days by eliminating the need for it in vehicles. A vehicle like this could easily outlast the owner.

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Anonymous ID:dMUSHBTw Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:03:16 No.407570703 Report

Quoted By: >>407571127

you have any info on proposed spaceships? Of any purpose, i FUCKIN LOVE SPACESHIPS

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Anonymous ID:e4nuopnB Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:04:12 No.407570887 Report

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monitoring for great interest

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:05:37 No.407571127 Report

Quoted By: >>407573817

>>407570451
Fuck it, I'll do it now.

The MOL was proposed for space-based surveillance in an era before unmanned spy satellites were considered practical. We even trained an entire crop of military astronauts in secret.

The MOL was to drop canisters of film to be caught in-flight at pre-arranged locations by cargo aircraft with nets attached. There were proposed versions to act as armed battlestations, but those proposals were not so serious as the spy station.

>>407570703
Oh, I have plenty for space ships. How's a real-life Star Destroyer sound to you? Stick around.

>>407570693
Fucking awesome!

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Anonymous ID:e4nuopnB Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:06:16 No.407571221 Report

Quoted By: >>407571625

>>407567871
question /b/ro, what is the point of a "caseless" assault rifle? Why would this be good?

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:08:30 No.407571625 Report

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>>407571221
There is no need for a cycle to eject the casing of a cartridge, thus improving rate of fire.

The ammunition was also square and used fewer metal components... making ammunition lighter and easier to stack in a magazine. This meant more ammo and more accurate burst fire for soldiers on the ground. Remember that the burst fire is so fast that the 3 bullets fired will impact in the same place as the first bullet at most distances. This is IDEAL for defeating body armor.

Flying platforms like the one pictured and the "Hummingbird" were seriously proposed as a means for scout infantry to move about. Versions were proposed with anti-tank missiles, helmet/sight-tracking machine guns (like today's attack helicopters, but smaller scale), and ground-penetrating radar for mine-sweeping.

Though both fuel efficiency and range were considered adequate for combat, it was considered to be an expensive toy for the military. Potential civilian uses were not explored.

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Anonymous ID:bEYbEI5x Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:09:47 No.407571867 Report

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bump

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:10:17 No.407571957 Report

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Onto Project Pluto

It was a proposed nuclear ramjet engine, which instead of combustion used a nuclear reactor to heat incoming air, which is rather similar in principle to NERVA.

Mission profile was to fly between target waypoints dropping nuclear munitions until only one was left, then to detonate it by ramming into a final hardened target or pre-programmed target of opportunity in the event of accident.

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Anonymous ID:joio7ePX Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:10:55 No.407572071 Report

Quoted By: >>407572470 >>407573346

Quick question OP, what if we were still at war with the russians, even after the fall of the USSR, do you think it would be possible to invent such things as miniature "ray" guns or teleporters (inb4 black ops) to allow us to travel between places and use these mini death rays to kill the enemy. By stating this, is it also possible if we had also created a time machine which would allow us to go back in time and tweak history. Imagine if we didnt nuke each other (if the cold war is still going on) and created these godly devices.

Tl;DR if cold war was still happening would we have invented god weapons/devices.

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Anonymous ID:O5wVt82h Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:10:59 No.407572082 Report

Quoted By: >>407572470

>>407567107

You sir are a great man for this thread, especially the space bits

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Anonymous ID:yVWSprYA Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:11:08 No.407572114 Report

Quoted By: >>407572470 >>407572512

Polyus launched May 15, 1987 was a prototype orbital weapons platform designed to destroy SDI satellites with a megawatt carbon-dioxide laser.

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Anonymous ID:e4nuopnB Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:11:52 No.407572260 Report

Quoted By: >>407572470

>>407571625
thanks

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Anonymous ID:U6Z4SOno Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:13:04 No.407572467 Report

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Props OP, I dig this. I dig it a lot.

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:13:06 No.407572470 Report

Quoted By: >>407573380

I give you Project Excalibur.

While more "traditional" laser weapons fire within the infrared or visible spectrum, Excalibur was designed to fire in the x-ray spectrum.

The only sufficiently plentiful source of X-rays known for making a viable weapon was a nuclear detonation, so that's where the engineers started.

The basic idea was to use a nuclear shaped charge with x-ray opaque material like uranium (waste, depleted, non-fissile) to direct all x-rays generated by the blast in one direction. This is tricky considering the properties of x-rays, but bear with me here.

Prior to firing, the optic assembly would aim itself at a target and lock onto it. The bomb would then detonate and most of its x-rays would be directed forward into the optic assembly to be focused into a coherent beam of x-rays. Thus, you can either have stationary "brilliant pebbles" that can be used as one-off x-ray lasers or warheads that will detonate to fire an x-ray laser at a target at close range.

>>407572071
Ray guns require a compact power source that is man-portable. They don't exist just yet and even with Cold War incentive, they likely wouldn't this day.

There was, however, great interest in larger laser weapons.

Teleporters are just ridiculous.
>>407572082
Thanks. I'm building to something, bear with me here.
>>407572114
Yup. Stick around and you'll see what could/would have been it's biggest enemies.

>>407572260
No problem!

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Anonymous ID:yVWSprYA Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:13:24 No.407572512 Report

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:15:18 No.407572840 Report

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In a similar vein to Project Excalibur, we have Project Casaba Howitzer.

The idea is to use a nuclear shaped charge coupled with a channel filler of an x-ray ablative material like Beryllium. The material vaporizes and pushes against a thin, low atomic number material like Lithium. This forms a VERY narrow jet that can be (given the right technology) adjusted on-the-fly to converge on a target.

Thus, you have a weapon that fires a spear of high velocity plasma. Imagine that for a moment, a warhead that shoots nuclear flame. A nuclear-powered, one-off directed energy weapon that IS NOT the only one of its kind.

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Anonymous ID:9En6OCgJ Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:15:56 No.407572936 Report

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>>407570693
also, to caveat off of this, a random fact for you: Those cars in Fallout that you blow up and create a bitchin' explosion? Ford motherfucking Nucleons!

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Anonymous ID:EfZJUJRz Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:16:13 No.407572976 Report

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OP is a gentleman and a scholar.

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:18:33 No.407573318 Report

Quoted By: >>407574613 >>407576573

Ask for spaceships and you get the mother of all spaceships.

I give you Project Orion. The links explain it pretty well. It should also be noted that, with current technology, this is the single fastest and most energy-dense form of spacecraft propulsion known to man.

www.projectrho.com/rocket/enginelist.php#id--Orion

www.projectrho.com/rocket/realdesigns.php#id--Project_Orion_Battleship

This was, naturally, proposed to be armed to the teeth.

200 nuclear missiles equipped with various warheads from 20MT "city buster" warheads, to Casaba Howitzer "plasma lance" warheads, to enhanced radiation "neutron bomb" warheads.

3 5in naval guns to fire smaller Casaba Howitzer charges from "pancake boosters" for use at closer ranges

COIL (chemical) lasers, solid state lasers, or gatling guns would constitute the Orion Warship's point-defense armament.

Remember that, were this thing built, it would be the fastest vehicle ever built by man. Here's some math for the fun of it.
http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/supplement/orionisp1.jpg
http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/supplement/orionisp2.jpg

The basic idea is to use a chain of nuclear detonations, thousands of em', to create plasma waves that impact upon the pusher plate of the ship to propel it to extraordinary speeds.

It was to be BIG too, really big. Like, larger than a submarine big. You need a lot of M to safely ride the A so the F doesn't turn the crew into pink mush. F=MA, after all!

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Anonymous ID:zWdqIJeQ Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:18:45 No.407573346 Report

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>>407572071
Been playing Red Alert recently?

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Anonymous ID:yVWSprYA Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:18:57 No.407573380 Report

Quoted By: >>407573860

>>407572470
>>407572840
sick!!!!!
rl one shoot nuclear death rays

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Anonymous ID:e4nuopnB Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:19:45 No.407573497 Report

Quoted By: >>407573860

OP where did you go to school?

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Anonymous ID:PvI9Qa0H Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:21:03 No.407573694 Report

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The Bac tsr-2

Probobly the best war plane never used.

It did farther concord though so it was not a total loss.

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Anonymous ID:dMUSHBTw Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:21:49 No.407573817 Report

Quoted By: >>407574786

>>407571127
>>407571127

i sure will stick around and read every post you make. Just a sidequestion, how do you know so much about these technologies, and where did you learn from? I doubt this data is accessible to everyone

Actually, to be honest, i wanted to hear more about mars spaceships (i have a thing for mars and would like to go one day there, either as temporary explorer or settler), but i would also LOVE to hear about real life star destroyers

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Anonymous ID:+5G563At Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:22:00 No.407573852 Report

Quoted By: >>407574786

Ahh those flying platforms look awesome! Thank you OP, because I couldn't recall what they were called and was searching for info on them a few weeks back.

In for more random awesome info.

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:22:03 No.407573860 Report

Quoted By: >>407574506 >>407575949

>>407573380
Oh yeah. A modern incarnation would likely also use Project Excalibur x-ray laser warheads.

Remember that you can use Casaba Howitzer "plasma lance" warheads or Project Excalibur warheads as either missile payloads or just fire them out of the 5in gun on a pancake booster to detonate a few hundred meters from the ship for more "personal" work.

>>407573497
Culver Military Academy - High school
Indiana University -BS Biochemistry
University of Tennessee - currently working on BS (hopefully MS/MBA) in nuclear engineering

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Anonymous ID:9En6OCgJ Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:25:26 No.407574429 Report

Quoted By: >>407574786

"Levicar was a concept car Ford displayed in 1959. It was a one-person, small in a modern sense, car propelled by maglev. The car was designed to be levitated by magnets, and was intended to be developed for high-speed transportation systems. The Levicar was very light and when raised off its guide rail by the magnetics it only required a blower in the back to propel it. A working model was actually built. While technically a success, the whole project was dropped due to financial constraints"

I think this would have been perhaps a better idea than the Nucleon even, due to the fact that it only needed a tiny bit of propulsion to work. Imagine how low carbon emissions would be with this bad boy...

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Anonymous ID:e4nuopnB Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:25:50 No.407574506 Report

Quoted By: >>407574786

>>407573860
OP maybe one day we can team up to help push America into the new century as a powerful and respectable world power. We need smart people like you to inform policy makers.

Thanks for these posts and best of luck with your studies. I hope that someday we find each other and win

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yVWSprYA Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:26:28 No.407574613 Report

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>>407573318
>>407573318
wow, now i'm sorry i commented before
this is trully sick!!!!!!!!!!!
a mf battlecrusier!!!

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Anonymous ID:D4S4lSEw Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:26:59 No.407574713 Report

Quoted By: >>407575142

HIBEX Testbed for SPRINT Missile.

Sprints nosecone was so hot after only 1 sec of flight that you could cool it using a blowtorch.

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/hibex.html

The initial acceleration of HIBEX was almost 400 g. At least seven HIBEX rockets were fired at White Sands Missile Range (WSMR) between February 1965 and January 1966, and the test results were used in the development of the operational Sprint missile.

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:27:25 No.407574786 Report

Quoted By: >>407575705 >>407575993 >>407576241

>>407573852
It's all actually available online, it's just that what info is available are the de-classified bits from these old projects.

>>407573817
Well, if you look at NERVA, that was meant to be the way that we open up Cis-Lunar space and get cargoes to Mars at low-mid priority.

Orion was a different story. The original design team said, "Mars by 1965, Saturn by 1970" and this was completely do-able with the technology.

Ideally, NERVA would carry cargo on a regular "milk run" basis and Orion would carry people and more high priority cargo to colonies on Mars and in outer system. Tentative plans were in place to put a station in Jupiter and Saturn orbit... a VERY BIG station.

>>407574429
It'd be awesome for a de-centralized, personal public transport network within cities... but it'd require superconducting maglev tracks.

>>407574506
I have a political/economic plan, actually. Ask and I'll post it.

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Anonymous ID:UqkTrfzz Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:28:36 No.407574987 Report

Quoted By: >>407575142 >>407576139

I work for Lockheed Martin on classified defense projects. It's sick.

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:29:43 No.407575142 Report

Quoted By: >>407576237

>>407574713
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXtgTVMcuA

The Sprint missile was a US weapon for last ditch missile defense. It was to take off from silos with 750,000lbs of trust to accelerate at up to 100G's to engage enemy MIRVs as they fell on their targets. The Sprint was armed with an enhanced radiation (neutron bomb) warhead to allow it to disable enemy warheads without a direct hit, rather using the radioactive effects of its warhead to fry their detonation and fusing systems. US military planners and engineers figured a bit of predictable fallout was preferable to a vaporized city.

This was to be used with the similarly-armed but longer-ranged Spartan missile for intercepting the enemy ICBM's in mid-flight before they could disgorge their MIRV payloads.

>>407574987
I bet. If they ever get in the nuclear spaceship business, I want in. For now, I'm hoping that Space-X's interest in NERVA is more than just a wild ambition.

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Anonymous ID:PvI9Qa0H Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:30:03 No.407575187 Report

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I know this is not something that is a secret.

But the Harrier Jump jet is probobly one of the crazest things to come out of the cold war. Its a fighter jet that can hover and VTOL. Its like somethink out of science fiction only we brits got it to work and built them.

They break some many rules that to this day a viable alternative is still not flying.

RiP Harrier jump jets.

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Anonymous ID:zWdqIJeQ Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:30:20 No.407575227 Report

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May I name a baby after you OP? Loving this thread and all the delicious info.
>mfw

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:32:08 No.407575502 Report

Quoted By: >>407577550

Looking back on it, the future depicted in 2001 doesn't seem all that far-fetched, does it?

This is the future (a very technologically possible and feasible future) as dreamt by scientists and engineers. This is what happens when scientists and engineers are given money and told to think big.

The world we live in now is a world of failed promises and possibilities, brought to you by bankers.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:e4nuopnB Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:33:27 No.407575705 Report

Quoted By: >>407575840 >>407576740 >>407581931

>>407574786
Well, OP, the reason I ask about teaming up for the win is because I want to get into politics. I just quit my job this week and I will be applying to law schools come october. I want to dedicate my life to making sure we can advance the interests of America. Military technology is of huge interest to me for related reasons. Its hard to meet people like you IRL.
I do not have a military background and thats why I want to meet people who do or who know about it in technical ways that I cannot learn.
Please feel free to share any of your political thoughts, I have left mine out of this thread thus far.

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:34:13 No.407575840 Report

Quoted By: >>407576229 >>407577697 >>407582996

>>407575705
>Merge NASA, part of the USAF, and part of the US Navy into the US Star Force. Its mission is to conduct combat and exploration missions in space, as well as aerospace R&D
>Build large facility in Southwest desert with large water and power hookups. Assign plots to competing companies and university teams. Whichever group gets the most efficient yields on algae biofuels, gets further grants of money and more land at the facility. A winner is chosen and given a contract to supply the military with a large amount of biofuel to kickstart the company
>Investigative wastewater treatment aquaponic vertical "farm" installed in White House to act as pilot project
>Mandate new construction to have solar panels
>Install superconducting power transmission lines throughout US where appropriate
>Relax government controls on nuclear power plant construction, subsidize new nuclear plant construction and research
>Force opening of Yucca mountain facility
>Re-open and expand Idaho National Lab's breeder reactor facility, build new reprocessing facilities and infrastructure
>The first commercial entity to construct a molten salt thorium-U233 fuel cycle reactor get the entire US stockpile (not reserves, stockpile) of Thorium
>Begin design and re-deployment of nuclear armed ICBM interceptors like the old Sprint missile
>Withdraw from relevant treaties to allow US Star Force to operate nuclear-armed spacecraft
>Subsidize STEM degrees through science-heavy ROTC program to recruit for Star Forces
>End War on Drugs
>End War on Terror
>Dissolve Department of Homeland Security
>Rely on nuclear deterrent, Navy, and Star Force for defense
>Terrorism becomes a law enforcement issue
>Allow, where environmentally sound, new drilling in the US

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O5wVt82h Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:34:46 No.407575949 Report

Quoted By: >>407576229

>>407573860

Can I ask you something? I won't pretend to have much more than a layman's understanding of nuclear energy, but I have read up on it. Why are there not already Thorium reactors up and running? I've read a little about it, not extensively, and haven't found that one kill to death con.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EfZJUJRz Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:35:05 No.407575993 Report

Quoted By: >>407576229

>>407574786
Please do post this plan.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EfZJUJRz Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:36:05 No.407576139 Report

Quoted By:

>>407574987
Care to declassify?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:36:32 No.407576229 Report

Quoted By: >>407582996

>>407575949
Well, they're not all that useful for making bombs. Back when the MSR was operating, we were primarily interested in a nuclear power grid that also gave us material for making weapons. Now that we don't care anymore, it's being investigated again.

That, and you have to consider the power of the fossil fuels industry/lobby.

>>407575993
see
>>407575840
>Begin new construction at the old SSC site in Texas, it is to be a new National Lab
>National Labs funding is tripled, mostly to handle SSC construction
>Corporations found to have interfered with regulatory mechanisms will be seized and their assets (equipment) auctioned off to startups and educational interests
>Huge grants to get labs back into middle and high schools
>Downsize US Army, withdraw from wars
>Surplus US Army small arms are donated to community-organized civilian shooter programs for youth
>Withdraw from relevant treaties to allow for nuclear ICBM interceptors and nuclear propulsion (NERVA, maybe Orion) for US Star Force vessels
>Talk to economists about less intrusive means of lowering income inequality

>Start the Neighborhood Power Program through the DoE to produce/procure and install 4th generation fast neutron reactors to power boroughs/neighborhoods
>Investigate methods of storing energy excess from new solar in homes
>USAF, US Navy, and FAA are to begin research into cargo zeppelins and high speed (150mph) zeppelins for efficient and fast air travel in lieu of high speed rail
>US immediately tenders contract for certain metals to be delivered to LEO from Planetary Resources to create an artificial market
>Construction of a large solar power array connected to an accelerator to produce and store quantities of antimatter-- this is to be the L4/L5 National Lab

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UqkTrfzz Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:36:34 No.407576237 Report

Quoted By:

>>407575142
You never know, they're constantly looking to expand especially since they're facing budgetary pressure.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dMUSHBTw Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:36:36 No.407576241 Report

Quoted By: >>407576558 >>407577513

>>407574786
>>407574786

Yes i read earlier post about NERVA. Do you know what happened with "Mars till 1965." project? Why was it cancelled? Why are we in 2012 and still no short-term plans about manned Mars missions? Obama's "mid thirties" are too far away. I do hope SpaceX founder will say something about this at this year's Mars society convetion. He has plans to send people there, apparently

Secon thing, i dont want to be intrusive, but some other guy asked you about your plans, and you said you have one, so please tell me if it includes Mars in any shape or form

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:38:35 No.407576558 Report

Quoted By: >>407580231

>>407576241
NERVA was not the Mars by 1965 thing.

Orion was the project that could have reached Mars by 1965. NERVA's an awesome engine and a great improvement on chemical rockets, but it's not powerful enough. Orion is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4k_YZAXSEI

Here's a BBC documentary on Project Orion.

My plans are greentexted here ITT.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yVWSprYA Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:38:41 No.407576573 Report

Quoted By: >>407576957

>>407573318
thanks for the links OP, that battleship design is really impressive
i remember drawing nuclear detonation propeled cargo spaceships as a kid, i never knew it was a real concept

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VsVcu26/ Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:38:57 No.407576621 Report

Quoted By: >>407576957

>>407568418
Looks like an Avro Arrow

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EfZJUJRz Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:39:35 No.407576740 Report

Quoted By: >>407576957

>>407575705
When you say further America's interests, is that exclusive, or are you somehow equating America with humanity?

I long for an international effort to propel humanity forward. For me personally, that means unified territorial expansion into space.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:40:52 No.407576957 Report

Quoted By:

>>407576573
It was a very real project. Every test conducted pointed to the fact that it is possible.

A lot of work from some of the best minds alive at the time went into it.
>>407576621
Also a VERY impressive design.

>>407576740
I'm not that guy, I'm OP. I envision my future USA cooperating with its allies to advance into space.

The GE Beetle was designed as a mech for use in maintenance, cleanup, and handling of nuclear reactors for aerospace use. It was also planned for use in high radiation environments.

Though not a combat mech, it was nonetheless an impressive machine.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:D4S4lSEw Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:40:56 No.407576964 Report

Quoted By:

Rivet Amber

One of the most expensives planes ever built and one of the most powerfull radar systems ever installed in a plane.

http://community-2.webtv.net/KingdonAviation/RivetBallAmberShemya/page10.html

"Rivet Amber's radar was very powerful and dangerous if you got to close. It proved powerful enough that Soviet fighter interceptors kept a respectable distance for fear they might be roasted and toasted. "

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:44:10 No.407577513 Report

Quoted By: >>407580116 >>407580231

>>407576241
Mars, if it turns out to be devoid of life, has a long-term place in my plans.

I want to nuke the everloving hell out of the ice caps to release loads of water vapor and carbon dioxide into the atmosphere to warm it.

After that, tender a contract to produce an artificial micro-organism to begin producing oxygen and more greenhouse gases.

In the meantime, colonists will be using nuclear detonations along the lines of Project Plowshare to excavate underground and above-ground space for expansion of a sealed colony.

Atoms for Peace was an initiative to turn nuclear technology to more peaceful ends.

This included plans for heavy nuclear-powered cargo zeppelins and Project Plowshare.

Project Plowshare was to investigate nuclear detonations for peaceful purposes like mining and excavation. Plans were drawn up to merge aquifers, instantly dig channels, and to blast artificial harbors.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O5wVt82h Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:44:26 No.407577550 Report

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>>407575502

>The world we live in now is a world of failed promises and possibilities, brought to you by bankers

That's one thing that makes me rage hard, seeing cuts to important science.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:9En6OCgJ Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:45:07 No.407577665 Report

Quoted By: >>407578469

Ladies and Gents, enter: The M-29 Davy Crockett Weapon System

This bad boy fired an M388 nuclear projectile from a recoilless rifle that instantly killed anything within a quarter mile of the blast radius and had a max effective range of three miles.

ultimately, it was to be a last ditch defense against the Russians if they invaded the USA.

you can see this weapon in action on youtube, or in MGS3:Snake Eater(Which, ironically, also includes those badass floating platforms OP posted earlier)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:e4nuopnB Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:45:20 No.407577697 Report

Quoted By: >>407578469

>>407575840
OP, its the same anon here again talking about taking over and winning.

I like these ideas. Admittedly, I know little about the science behind all of this but I do believe a little more focus on new energy sources and improved space technology can help America win the 21st century. It should basically be one of the highest priorities for any political organization

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:e4nuopnB Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:48:23 No.407578217 Report

Quoted By:

OP, its the same anon again (from the taking over and winning posts)

I have to leave for the gym now but I will come back later on tonight. If you do not start this thread again in about 2 hours then I will. Hopefully we can continue our conversation then. I like picking your brain for ideas.

America will win the 21st century.
See you later /b/ro

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:PvI9Qa0H Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:48:51 No.407578301 Report

Quoted By: >>407579539

Someone has to post this:

The M65 Recoiless Nuclear Rifle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khyZI3RK2lE

I hand carried recoiless rifle able to fire a small nuke at the enemy and the soldiers who fired it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:49:53 No.407578469 Report

Quoted By: >>407578786 >>407579107

>>407577665
Don't forget that it was also to discourage any "Battle of the Bulge" encirclement scenarios.

If a unit as small as a battalion were encircled by the Soviets, they'd get a very nasty surprise.

>>407577697
It's also about long-term economic viability, ensuring a cleaner Earth, providing a future for later generations, and ensuring that the American way endures.

When I say American way, I don't mean domestic spying and bought-off politicians. I mean a country where opportunity is real, economic growth is real, and where children are born into a richer and larger world than their parents'.

The world is getting smaller, we have no frontier. We need a frontier if we wish to continue the economic growth upon which almost every military, economic, and political institution relies.

I recently did an interview for a documentary about Generation Y and expressed a lot of my concerns and solutions.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:50:47 No.407578643 Report

Quoted By:

Back to the Cold War, enough politics.

GE's Handyman was an effort at a powered exoskeleton. While mechanically sound, it was a very advanced concept that was ahead of its time, so much so that reliable and sufficiently small electronic controls were not available at the time of its development.

It was intended for use in maintenance and ordnance handling, not combat.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O5wVt82h Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:51:35 No.407578786 Report

Quoted By: >>407579572

>>407578469

Haha you mentioned the battle and preventing encirclement, my first thought? They were paratroopers, they were meant to be surrounded.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:e4nuopnB Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:53:25 No.407579107 Report

Quoted By: >>407579572 >>407580069 >>407580189

>>407578469
OP, anon here from the posts about winning and whatnot. Whats the name of the documentary? I still have not made it to the gym lol

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9En6OCgJ Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:55:56 No.407579539 Report

Quoted By:

>>407578301
I already beat you to the punch, /b/ro ha!

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:56:07 No.407579572 Report

Quoted By: >>407580069 >>407580189

>>407578786
Yes, but that's only when favorable. The Battle of the Bulge caught us by surprise and we want to provide options for break-out and flexibility in any combat situation.

The X-20 DynaSoar was a proposed US Air Force spaceplane to be launched vertically on either orbital or suborbital trajectories. It was in the design phase at the same time as NASA's Project Gemini.

DynaSoar was to be equipped with everything from reconnaissance equipment to anti-satellite or spacecraft weaponry. In the end, the Air Force canceled DynaSoar to settle on another project....

though it should be noted that many of DynaSoar's design features found their way into the Space Shuttle and even the modern X-37 unmanned spaceplane.

>>407579107
I'm reluctant to say because my name is on their website. A little searching will likely lead you in the right direction.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RszuTdnl Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:57:53 No.407579890 Report

Quoted By: >>407580069 >>407580609

Haha its you again. With the same bread.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:58:53 No.407580069 Report

Quoted By: >>407580609

>>407579572
... The Air Force ultimately settled on the more "reasonable" Project Blue Gemini.

A Gemini spacecraft was to dock with a specialized Agena booster equipped with spare fuel, stores, and the necessary mission equipment. Mission equipment meaning reconnaissance equipment or armament.

>>407579107
No offense to law school intended whatsoever but...

America and the world doesn't need more lawyers or politicians, we need mad scientists and engineers.

>>407579890
Yup, but you have to admit it's better than most copypasta and I try to stay actively involved with the tread and keep it semi-productive.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:mUSpodTt Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:59:05 No.407580116 Report

Quoted By: >>407581530

>>407577513

Why use nukes when you can deflect Near Earth Asteroids to colide with Mars and kill two birds with one stone?

Also, asteroid impacts -> more mass -> more iron -> magnetic field and higher gravity Mars so desperately needs to keep any atmosphere.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O5wVt82h Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:59:33 No.407580189 Report

Quoted By:

>>407579107

I like your style and I like this thread so I'm gonna let ya know something, look at your post, look at the the thing right after Anonymous, the (ID: xxxxxxxx) part, it's the same for all of your posts (unless you start a thread, then it will be the same for all threads you start). So if you're not trolling you learned something today.

>>407579572

Yeah it just made me think of the Band of Brothers series when Winters (can't fully remember if it was him) said to the CO "We're paratroopers, We're supposed to be surrounded"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dMUSHBTw Fri 22 Jun 2012 04:59:46 No.407580231 Report

Quoted By: >>407581524 >>407582147

>>407577513

well, to be honest, i am not from america so i dont understand some of your points there, but be sure you have supporter even in small european country of Croatia

>>407576558
but this, as Mars fan, delights me. I really hope during my lifetime people will go there. I am 22 now, so what do you think, is any of what you suggest possible to achieve in lets say 60 years? I expect to live at least to 80, but hope to see 90, or even 100

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:L6Zc5c/f Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:00:33 No.407580372 Report

Quoted By: >>407581530

OP is a true legend among men.

This thread is absolutely fascinating, but also makes me quite sad. Man has achieved such spectacular feats, but all towards destroying things.

Appreciation OP, it's people like you who keep me coming back to /b/, even amongst the cancers and summerfaggotry.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dMUSHBTw Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:01:07 No.407580473 Report

Quoted By:

Also, vote to archive this!

http://chanarchive.org/requests

its currently second to top
>>407567107

Help preserve OP's wisdom and knowledge!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O5wVt82h Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:01:52 No.407580609 Report

Quoted By:

>>407579890

You have to admit, he's right.

>>407580069

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:E+sEX16+ Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:02:56 No.407580798 Report

Quoted By: >>407581530

OP i would like to become your apprentice

how would i go about doing so

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yVWSprYA Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:07:01 No.407581524 Report

Quoted By: >>407584367

>>407580231
lol ja isto

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:07:03 No.407581530 Report

Quoted By: >>407583207 >>407583339

>>407580116
The atmosphere would take MILLIONS of years to blow off once established. It'd also provide adequate electromagnetic protection.

As far as long-term viability, there is loads of ice in the Solar System, more than enough to keep Mars' atmosphere going.

That's not to mention long-term plans for Venus. After using HUGE staged-fusion warheads to blast off as much atmosphere as we can, we can start slamming icy bodies into Venus using automated "tugs"

Venus is pretty flat, topographically. It'd eventually become a planet of island archipelagos with a very nice temperature. A solar shield would probably be needed though.

Similarly, Mars could use solar reflectors/collimators to bring up its temperature.
>>407580372
Thanks, it's supposed to inspire both wonder and a tinge of disappointment. We did the greatest, most incredible, and noble things for the basest of reasons... but at least we did them.

>>407580798
>Take up fencing and do it competitively through HS and college.
>Study science, history, economics, anthropology (physical), and classical civilization
>Learn German
>Take 4 semesters of Arabic
>Work and intern in the pharmaceutical industry for a while
>Work with an evolutionary biology lab, get published
>Fuck bitches
>Get into nuclear engineering
>Drink scotch
>Dress like every day is a day at the country club

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:bEYbEI5x Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:09:06 No.407581931 Report

Quoted By: >>407583086

>>407575705
We are looking at our future commander-in-chief men.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:10:08 No.407582147 Report

Quoted By: >>407584227 >>407584367

>>407580231
Oh yeah, forgot to say this.

My girlfriend is a forestry masters' student. Her thesis is on the viability of different tree species in Martian soil and early-terraforming atmospheric conditions. She wants to plant trees on Mars.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UqkTrfzz Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:10:11 No.407582153 Report

Quoted By: >>407582934

OP this is a fairly interesting thread. I'm the defense contractorfag that posted a bit earlier. A few days ago I got a tour of some of the space systems labs at work, including one where repairs are done for 80s-era intercontinental ballistic missile systems (another Cold War innovation)

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:14:42 No.407582934 Report

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>>407582153
Those ICBM's are interesting. Remember that were it not for our (and the Soviets') desire for improved telemetry and ICBM performance, the Space Race likely never would have happened.

Also, my dad works as an engineer for Raytheon so the defense ties run deep in me. Mom's in pharma PR and marketing though so that's from where my attention-whoring comes.

The much-hyped (and rightfully so) Thorium-U233 molten salt reactor design was originally developed as part of a program to power an aircraft with a nuclear reactor. Naturally, design features like reliability, robust thermal management, the impossibility of meltdown, and relatively simple/lightweight neutron management were all needed.

Swords into plowshares indeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CTK6W9xo Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:15:08 No.407582996 Report

Quoted By: >>407583945

>>407576229
>>407575840

With you on all but one detail.

Instead of "United States Star Forces" let's do "United States Starfleet." We already named a space shuttle the Enterprise, after all.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O5wVt82h Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:15:50 No.407583086 Report

Quoted By:

>>407581931

Patton and Eisenhower had to meet somehow, never know, the same could've just happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:E+sEX16+ Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:16:37 No.407583207 Report

Quoted By: >>407583945

>>407581530
I'm majoring in biology...maybe i do have a slim chance of becoming your apprentice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:mUSpodTt Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:17:19 No.407583339 Report

Quoted By: >>407583945

>>407581530

Why drop warheads and THEN drop icy bodies to ensure atmosphere in the long run when you could simply drop all the required mass now and not bother about it again? Besides, it helps clear the skies of our homeworld from potential extinction events.

Remeber that the Chinese are "winning" the 21st century because they plan 50 years ahead while we, the Western democracies usually plan one election cycle ahead. We gotta think loooooong-term. We're in for the species, boys.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:20:50 No.407583945 Report

Quoted By: >>407584397 >>407585291

>>407582996
If we called it Starfleet, then nobody would want to wear any red on their uniform for fear of instant and comical death.

>>407583207
Good place to start. Do research. Start as a undergrad lab bitch with a lab you like, things'll flow from there.

>>407583339
Well, finding enough icy mass to drop would require extensive combing and missions to the outer solar system that just aren't practical at such an early stage.

With nukes, we get short-term immediate gains to put us on the right footing. As for increasing the mass of Mars, that's a VERY long-term project that isn't particularly feasible if you want colonists hanging out there while it's happening.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:22:24 No.407584192 Report

Quoted By:

The Soviet Mi26 transport helicopter. It is the largest production transport helicopter on Earth. It was intended to transport large amounts of fuel to advancing Soviet tank columns.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O5wVt82h Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:22:34 No.407584227 Report

Quoted By: >>407584907

>>407582147

Wow, you have to be the the greatest couple ever, seriously if I knew you I'd be buying you two drinks right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dMUSHBTw Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:23:32 No.407584367 Report

Quoted By: >>407584907

>>407581524
>>407581524

pa dje si brate ustaso ;D

>>407582147
>>407582147

she will be disappointed, she will probably not be doing it in open terrain, outside cupolas in her lifetime. Even if you manage to raise pressure enough (lets say 600 millibars, like in tibeth) no matter which method you using, regolith is way too salty, plus nitrogen is present only in traces

anyway, care to share your e-mail address? I am currently studying law, but its not going well, and since last year (when my occupation with Mars started), i am seriously considering changing profession, starting engineering study, and one day project bases on Mars. When i started with law, i didnt have clear intention of what to do with my life, but now i do. Now i have a goal in my life. To live on Mars one day.

So, care to give me e-mail you use? I would like to contact you one day, if aforementioned plans come true. If you dont want to post it publicly, here is mine so send me e-mail, if you would be so kind:
[email protected]<script type="text/javascript">
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Anonymous ID:CTK6W9xo Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:23:42 No.407584397 Report

Quoted By: >>407584907

>>407583945

So we banish the color red from the uniforms. Simple enough. It's a stupid detail, I readily admit, but one that'll help get the public to rally around a project this grand. And as the history of aborted projects you're posting shows, you can dream as big as you want, but without the politics behind you, it won't happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zDlS6wXl Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:25:51 No.407584756 Report

Quoted By:

Thanks for posting, OP.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:26:51 No.407584907 Report

Quoted By: >>407585976 >>407586213 >>407587672 >>407588370

>>407584227
Not really, she's annoying at times (like all girlfriends) and drags me to the park way too often.

She also refuses to go scuba diving with me, which irks me.

>>407584367
[email protected]<script type="text/javascript">
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</script> is my throwaway mail. Drop me a line.

You might enjoy engineering.

She will be disappointed, but she's investigating the feasibility nonetheless to determine what is needed before trees could be planted. Let's not forget the power of synthetic biology.

>>407584397
Just look at Newt's moon base to see how excited we are about space.

My plan mostly calls for the militarization of space as a nationalistic and defense thing. The rest of my plans (the greentexted ones) are to help grow the economy and put us on the right footing.

The Soviets were interested in lasers for other reasons than SDI. They envisioned laser weaponry as an eventual part of their extnesive air defense forces.

The Soviet 1K17 was/is an actual laser tank, though it wasn't meant to destroy anything outright. Its lasers were to blind/dazzle optical sensors and pilot/operators of enemy equipment.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:mUSpodTt Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:29:15 No.407585291 Report

Quoted By: >>407586065 >>407587672

>>407583945

There's enough water and gas stored in the Matrian permafrost to cover half of Mars, so no need for ICY mass specificly. Just pure dumb rock. And a sizeable amount of NEOs is already catalogued, all we need is some solar sails or automated NERVA tugs to push them into a collision course with Mars. Such program could also be used as a proving ground for new propulsion systems.

Remember, Martian terraforming is something that would take in the scale of 5000 years. That's almost as much time as from now to the building of the pyramids. I believe we can spare some 50 years blasting Mars with NEOs and/or objects from the asteroid belt.

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:29:26 No.407585321 Report

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The Mig 105 Spiral was to be the USSR's answer to the Dyna Soar. It was to be lofted to high altitude by a hypersonic mothership and then onto orbit under its own power.

I could easily imagine a mid-60's scenario wherein US and Soviet spaceplanes crossed the sky and harassed one another.

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Anonymous ID:qbV1oViW Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:31:04 No.407585606 Report

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All that shit was the fruitloop Reagan, the man came from Holy Wood, TV was his life, definetly not reality. He lost it before he even left office, his wife was caught telling him what to say a few times and then a CIA director became president. Bush Sr - the smart one. About 10 years later the Russian put their man in.

Anyway, the cold war was a fraud because Freemason FDR gave Jesuit Stalin the bomb before the war was even over through the lend lease program.

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Anonymous ID:yVWSprYA Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:33:08 No.407585976 Report

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>>407584907
i read that the british had ship lasers during the fakland war for blinding enemy pilots an plane equipment

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:33:37 No.407586065 Report

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>>407585291
Fair enough.

I'm just concerned for colonists living in pressurized colonies.

I like the idea though. I always thought that Lunar orbit would be an ideal place to process captured asteroids. A space elevator on the Lunar surface could bring down metals to be launched via mass driver to Earth.

Hundreds of asteroids in Lunar orbit waiting to be nudged into capture by the station at the "top" of the space elevator.. it's a hell of a thing to imagine.

Not to mention that spaceship construction on the Moon has the benefit of lower escape velocity and some gravity for working. The only issue here is regolith, but we can blast some smooth areas for construction with nuclear detonations.

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Anonymous ID:O5wVt82h Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:34:28 No.407586213 Report

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>>407584907

Just so ya know I'm gonna drop you a line too, just to keep in touch/possibly learn a little from you

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Anonymous ID:dMUSHBTw Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:42:48 No.407587672 Report

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>>407585291
>>407585291

i would also prefer to blast it with something else and not nuclear bombs. Something not radioactive, preferrably, just in case.
But we dont need to make it inhabitable from lowest point of Valles Marineris to top of Olympus mons. Surface around ecuator up to 3 kms should be enough for century. And we dont (for start) to make it breathable (part of terraforming that will take longest to complete). For start is enough to raise pressure enough to be able to walk outside without pressure suits, with only oxygen mask

>>407584907
synthetic biology will definitely be used in process of terraforming. Due to fact i am not into it, i dont know its limits, but i dont think it is possible to change DNA code of any current organism enough to make it possible to grow on Martian surface at this moment. After conditions on it change and soften a bit, then we can talk

about Newt's base on moon, well, that is moon, not mars. Mars is still on average 120M miles away, not puny 400k kilometers. Plus, I am following a bit american presidential campaign, and at the moment it doesnt look good for him

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Anonymous ID:O5wVt82h Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:46:40 No.407588370 Report

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>>407584907

I didn't mean it that way, I meant if I met you two out at a bar and we got to discussing out fields I'd be happy I met you both and get you drinks, all couples have problems (the scuba diving thing would annoy the shit outta me too) I could never say you perfect in that way without knowing you for a good while

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Anonymous ID:mUSpodTt Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:47:17 No.407588475 Report

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>>407586065

Hundreds of asteroids orbiting the moon? Don't give Space Al-Qaeda good, biosphere-killing, ideias. The farther away those rocks are from Sacred Terra, the better.

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:48:08 No.407588646 Report

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>>407587672
That was my point, the moon base was made fun of by almost everybody.

You would be amazed what can be done with synthetic biology. It's still in its infancy, but you only need to look to GMO crops to see some of what it's capable.

As far as Mars, I'm just worried that the seismic and atmospheric effects would be less than pleasant for any colonists on the surface in sealed colonies.

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Anonymous ID:3Of6nuHA Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:49:41 No.407588926 Report

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This is for you, OP.

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Anonymous ID:dMUSHBTw Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:51:34 No.407589274 Report

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>>407586213
OP and O5wVt82h, i love you guys at the moment so much i would hug you all day long, and then buy us whatever you drink, and with alcohol have pleasant conversation about future of human kind in space.

Who knows, maybe one day us 3 will actually do it in some small settlement on Tharsis.

also OP, sent you e-mail

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Anonymous ID:cdtMmsLW Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:52:13 No.407589390 Report

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>>407588926
Thanks. I'm out of Cold War steam, no more wondrous posts about tech to submit, so I'm calling it a night.

It's been great though. I'll try to respond and keep in touch with the people ITT.

Have fun and goodnight.

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Anonymous ID:dMUSHBTw Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:54:45 No.407589805 Report

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>>407588646
>>407588646

as far as i know Mars is geologically dead planet. Even if there are marsquakes, they are probably a LOT weaker than our earthquakes

>>407589390
>>407589390

thanks for great thread and interesting convo OP. Please dont forget to reply to my mail. Write you later!

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Anonymous ID:O5wVt82h Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:56:56 No.407590187 Report

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>>407589390

Thank you sir, I hope you answer my email, and I hope your night is great

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Anonymous ID:a/NstygS Fri 22 Jun 2012 05:58:37 No.407590457 Report

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>>407588926
Had to save that one.

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Anonymous ID:3Of6nuHA Fri 22 Jun 2012 06:02:24 No.407591076 Report

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>>407590457
LOL, glad you liked it.

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Anonymous ID:4XdMTYPm Fri 22 Jun 2012 06:07:19 No.407591912 Report

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I've read about this. If people weren't so afraid of nuclear energy, this could pretty much end carbon emissions from personal vehicles.

I know I'm going off on a tangent here, but this is what angers me about the environmentalist movement as a whole; people think on too small of a scale and only see pieces of the picture instead of the picture in its entirety.

Nuclear energy is THE energy of the future. Forget solar and wind. While clean, it is inefficient and expensive.

Just think where nuclear energy would be today if it wasn't for Chernobyl and the Three Mile Island Incident (and that's not even including Fukushima). I wager we could:

>Safely dispose of (or even reuse) nuclear waste,
>Properly control the Uranium used to drastically reduce or eliminate chance of meltdown or other hazards, and
>All save a great deal of money, as fossil fuel prices would decline and a very even balance could be struck between nuclear and oil/coal usage.

The technology is there, we're just too afraid to use it.

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Anonymous ID:2sF+d5wj Fri 22 Jun 2012 06:07:33 No.407591964 Report

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>>407589390

OP, you've probably been one of the coolest OPs ever. i loved this thread. Many of my peers think im smart or bright, they always have this look on their faces when they ask me what i want to do in the future, this looks of excitement, anticipation. Well, after this thread, i know what i want to do with my life. I want to get involved with Nuclear Engineering. All these past technological advancements have been so interesting! I want to be part of history like this!

If i actually make something of myself, you'll know. I will mention this day, this site, and this thread, and you'll know, you made that something happen :D

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Anonymous ID:7qkipb8n Fri 22 Jun 2012 06:09:18 No.407592268 Report

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>>407588926
This OMG this.

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