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Anonymous ID:og4cSpwG Sat 23 Jun 2012 06:46:25 No.407808960 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>407809303 >>407810295 >>407810541 >>407812767 >>407823039 >>407830924

I don't like posting this too often, but I guess it's necessary. /b/ is full of cancer and I'm going to fix it with copypasta... a unique brand of copypasta.

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Things seriously proposed or actually built during the Cold War:

>Nuclear thermal rockets like NERVA
>A militarized moon base
>A goddamn Orion nuclear pulse propelled interplanetary battleship
>Rocket guns
>Powered exoskeletons for aircraft loading/maintenance
>Nuclear ramjet cruise missiles that sprayed Cobalt 60 death over enemy territory in between nuke drops
>Militarized space capsules (Blue Gemini, Salyut /Almaz)
>Militarized space planes (DynaSoar, MiG-105)
>HOTOL, NASP, and Saenger II spaceplanes
>Caseless ammunition assault weapons
>Supersonic civilian airliners like the Concorde, Tu144, Lockheed L-2000, Boeing 2707

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 06:48:15 No.407809303 Report

Quoted By: >>407809479

>>407808960
Gyroget rocket gun.

Though inappropriate for short-range use, the rounds actually increased in velocity for a goodly duration of their flight. They are also just perfect for use in low or zero gravity environments when equipped with the proposed plastic "confetti" launcher to counteract momentum imparted to the operator.

Remember that this works differently from traditional firearms. Projectile velocity increases as it leaves the barrel to max out somewhere around 200m.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 06:49:08 No.407809479 Report

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>>407809303
The Lockheed L2000, proposed as a supersonic transport to be sold to airliner operators worldwide. The basic idea was that a mach 3 airliner could conduct more flights along a given route, thus being profitable despite the added fuel and maintenance costs.

Sure, it was inefficient but we couldn't let the Reds dominate supersonic civilian travel!

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 06:50:19 No.407809712 Report

Quoted By: >>407809807

>>407809479
Boeing's proposal, the 2707.

Get ITT and feel feels.
Feel nostalgic.
Feel wistful.
Feel disappointed.
Feel inspired.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 06:50:53 No.407809807 Report

Quoted By: >>407809918

>>407809712
A caseless assault rifle with a firing rate almost double that of traditional weapons, resulting in an extremely small spread for burst fire.

The G-11 was ultimately considered redundant with the end of the Cold War and the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Though this is indicative of a trend with the West Germans...

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 06:51:30 No.407809918 Report

Quoted By: >>407810173

>>407809807
... which is also seen with the MBB Lampyridae designed by Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm.

Developed at the same time as but entirely separate from the US F-117 stealth attack aircraft, the Lampyridae was designed as a stealth "missileer" fighter to defend West German airspace.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 06:52:49 No.407810173 Report

Quoted By: >>407810553

>>407809918
Which also leads me to the Saenger II, a West German spaceplane proposal.

Developed from work initially done by Saenger during WWII that resulted in the Silbervoegel design proposal, the Saenger II was to be Europe's solution for cheap, reusable manned space flight.

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Anonymous ID:884QAvSg Sat 23 Jun 2012 06:53:30 No.407810295 Report

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Anonymous ID:WCv9QKne Sat 23 Jun 2012 06:54:00 No.407810390 Report

Quoted By: >>407810553 >>407810941

Stealth Flying wings... oh wait, we did that anyway. (rare photo)

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Anonymous ID:CWwQeo2l Sat 23 Jun 2012 06:54:43 No.407810541 Report

Quoted By: >>407810941

>>407808960
Are you posting this verbatim from last night?

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 06:54:49 No.407810553 Report

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>>407810173
The UK had its own proposal in the form of HOTOL, which was to use a pre-cooled hybrid ramjet/rocket for propulsion.

It lives on today as the SKYLON spaceplane and SABRE engine design. Both are private ventures of Reaction Engines Ltd, a continuation of HOTOL carried on by its original engineers after the UK government ceased funding the project.

/b/ can do better than cancerous summerfags.

>>407810390
The YB-49 and indeed all flying wings prior to fly-by-wire technology, were impressive.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 06:56:59 No.407810941 Report

Quoted By: >>407862618

>>407810541
Mostly, but I'm here to provide discussion and have some new additions as far as impressive technologies and proposals go.

I'm also here to guide and add to discussion.

Flying platforms like the one pictured (Williams X-jet) and the "Hummingbird" were seriously proposed as a means for scout infantry to move about. Versions were proposed with anti-tank missiles, helmet/sight-tracking machine guns (like today's attack helicopters, but smaller scale), and ground-penetrating radar for mine-sweeping.

Though both fuel efficiency and range were considered adequate for combat, it was considered to be an expensive toy for the military. Potential civilian uses were not explored.

>>407810390
It's truly amazing that Jack Northrop's dream was finally realized with the B-2. The YB-49, had it entered service, could have been a real Cold War "game-changer"

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:01:09 No.407811660 Report

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And who can forget NERVA?

A US proposal for a nuclear thermal rocket to regularly propel cargoes to and from Lunar orbit.

Mission profile was roughly as follows:
>NERVA "shuttle" lofted into low Earth orbit where it sits until needed
>Craft or cargoes dock with NERVA "shuttle" and it then carries said cargo out of Earth's gravity, through cis Lunar space, and into Lunar orbit where it is then either re-fuelled for a return trip or "parked"
>After a life of approximately 30 missions, the NERVA shuttles are fueled one more time to act as high velocity boosters for launching probes to the outer system, missions to Mars, or cargo on one-way trips to Mars.
>Retired or spent boosters could also be cannibalized for their reactors to be used in any number of space applications

We're talking a HUGE leap in performance for rocket engines here. It'd make Cis-Lunar space and even trips to Mars feasible. Fuel is no longer really a constraint, merely propellant.

This was envisioned as the follow-up to Apollo. We wanted 3 space stations/refueling depots in LEO, Geostationary orbit, and in Lunar orbit. That, and a permanent colony/base on the Moon.

The space shuttle was merely to be one link in this chain, providing access to Low Earth Orbit.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:04:10 No.407812125 Report

Quoted By: >>407812454

Come to think of it, the space shuttle looks and feels a lot like a prior proposal for a spaceplane... a military spaceplane.

The X-20 DynaSoar was a proposed US Air Force spaceplane to be launched vertically on either orbital or suborbital trajectories. It was in the design phase at the same time as NASA's Project Gemini.

DynaSoar was to be equipped with everything from reconnaissance equipment to anti-satellite or spacecraft weaponry. In the end, the Air Force canceled DynaSoar to settle on another project....

though it should be noted that many of DynaSoar's design features found their way into the Space Shuttle and even the modern X-37 unmanned spaceplane.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:06:10 No.407812454 Report

Quoted By: >>407812921

>>407812125
... The Air Force ultimately settled on the more "reasonable" Project Blue Gemini.

A Gemini spacecraft was to dock with a specialized Agena booster equipped with spare fuel, stores, and the necessary mission equipment. Mission equipment meaning reconnaissance equipment or armament.

Think about that for a minute here. What amounts to space fighters flying in the 1960's. Sure, it isn't whizzing about like Star Wars because our universe has considerations for the laws of physics, but it was still possible.

SPACE FIGHTERS flying before you were even born. It could have happened.

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Anonymous ID:h2rFFeRA Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:08:13 No.407812767 Report

Quoted By: >>407813363

>>407808960
I ran into the last thread, great read op! I wish I had some interesting things to post about the cold war and abandoned technologies but..fuck the police.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:09:08 No.407812921 Report

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>>407812454
Speaking of Project Gemini...

Did you know that an entire crop of military astronauts was trained in secret in the 1960's to carry out a Top-Secret mission in space?

It's true.

The MOL was proposed for space-based surveillance in an era before unmanned spy satellites were considered practical. We even trained an entire crop of military astronauts in secret.

The MOL was to drop canisters of film to be caught in-flight at pre-arranged locations by cargo aircraft with nets attached. There were proposed versions to act as armed battlestations, but those proposals were not so serious as the spy station.

Yup. You heard it right. Space fighters, battlestations, spies in space, and secret programs all around.

The Soviets weren't sitting idly by during all of this...

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:11:53 No.407813363 Report

Quoted By: >>407814486

>>407812767
Well. I'll ask you.

Do you feel cheated?

Do you feel like we missed out on something? The Space Race could have been MUCH more intense. What is today science fiction could have been fact. How does that make you feel? That we were toying with these grand ideas so long ago but now only squabble about social policy?

The Soviet Mig 105 "Spiral" spaceplane was to be launched atop a hypersonic mothership and then attain orbital velocities under its own power. It was meant to be the Soviet answer to the Dyna Soar or Blue Gemini.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:15:09 No.407813914 Report

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Nuclear engines weren't just for rockets in space. Before we had ICBM's, we considered cruise missiles with effectively infinite range using nuclear ramjet engines.

Onto Project Pluto

It was a proposed nuclear ramjet engine, which instead of combustion used a nuclear reactor to heat incoming air, which is rather similar in principle to NERVA.

Mission profile was to fly between target waypoints dropping nuclear munitions until only one was left, then to detonate it by ramming into a final hardened target or pre-programmed target of opportunity in the event of accident.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:16:26 No.407814112 Report

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Of course, we had to conduct maintenance on our nuclear engines and that required specialized equipment.

It required GODDAMN MECHS

The GE Beetle was designed as a mech for use in maintenance, cleanup, and handling of nuclear reactors for aerospace use. It was also planned for use in high radiation environments.

Though not a combat mech, it was nonetheless an impressive machine.

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Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:18:47 No.407814486 Report

Quoted By: >>407814758

>>407813363
I've often thought about this.
Nowadays, NASA's current budget is pathetic. We need some serious scientific breakthroughs here, and we can't do that on peameal budgets for the most famous companies we have.
We need to be the host again, of all the great sciences. Now, Europe hosts CERN, and Russia's hosting all the large space missions, EX: deflecting Prometheus.

Goddamn, fuck social policy and the military, I want scientific innovations in my lifetime.
Who can I vote for to bring that into fruition?

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:20:33 No.407814758 Report

Quoted By: >>407815339 >>407816150

Mere nuclear detonations weren't enough for us though. We had to find a way to fire X-ray lasers at our enemies...

I give you Project Excalibur.

While more "traditional" laser weapons fire within the infrared or visible spectrum, Excalibur was designed to fire in the x-ray spectrum.

The only sufficiently plentiful source of X-rays known for making a viable weapon was a nuclear detonation, so that's where the engineers started.

The basic idea was to use a nuclear shaped charge with x-ray opaque material like uranium (waste, depleted, non-fissile) to direct all x-rays generated by the blast in one direction. This is tricky considering the properties of x-rays, but bear with me here.

Prior to firing, the optic assembly would aim itself at a target and lock onto it. The bomb would then detonate and most of its x-rays would be directed forward into the optic assembly to be focused into a coherent beam of x-rays. Thus, you can either have stationary "brilliant pebbles" that can be used as one-off x-ray lasers or warheads that will detonate to fire an x-ray laser at a target at close range.

It'd be useful for frying enemy missiles or spacecraft/satellites/stations.

>>407814486
Well... a lot of this was military funding but for a different kind of war. Today, we fund for an anti-insurgency war, not a grand conflict with another superpower. That means monitoring, surveillance, and anti-personnel weaponry.

I agree with you though. America's had enough lawyers and businessmen, we need a mad scientist or two. Even a mad engineer would do.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:23:46 No.407815339 Report

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>>407814758
In a similar vein to Project Excalibur, we have Project Casaba Howitzer.

The idea is to use a nuclear shaped charge coupled with a channel filler of an x-ray ablative material like Beryllium. The material vaporizes and pushes against a thin, low atomic number material like Lithium. This forms a VERY narrow jet that can be (given the right technology) adjusted on-the-fly to converge on a target.

Thus, you have a weapon that fires a spear of high velocity plasma. Imagine that for a moment, a warhead that shoots nuclear flame. A nuclear-powered, one-off directed energy weapon that IS NOT the only one of its kind.

Effective plasma velocity was projected to be in the range of 15,000km/s. That's a healthy fraction of the speed of light. Hit an enemy with one of these and he isn't likely to survive. Granted, these were imagined to be used in space where traditional nuclear detonations are less effective on account of the lack of atmosphere and hence overpressure waves.

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Anonymous ID:5mDuW8N3 Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:27:39 No.407815982 Report

Quoted By: >>407816882

10/10 quality thread OP. Interesting and thought-provoking shit.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:27:55 No.407816030 Report

Quoted By: >>407816882

Now we come to the Mother of All Spaceships.

Project Orion. The idea is to use a series of (thousands) nuclear detonations to create plasma waves that'd push against a pusher plate on the back of a spacecraft. The ship would "ride" these waves to incredible speeds.

I give you Project Orion. The links explain it pretty well. It should also be noted that, with current technology, this is the single fastest and most energy-dense form of spacecraft propulsion known to man.

www.projectrho.com/rocket/enginelist.php#id--Orion

www.projectrho.com/rocket/realdesigns.php#id--Project_Orion_Battleship

This was, naturally, proposed to be armed to the teeth.

200 nuclear missiles equipped with various warheads from 20MT "city buster" warheads, to Casaba Howitzer "plasma lance" warheads, to enhanced radiation "neutron bomb" warheads.

3 5in naval guns to fire smaller Casaba Howitzer charges from "pancake boosters" for use at closer ranges

COIL (chemical) lasers, solid state lasers, or gatling guns would constitute the Orion Warship's point-defense armament.

Remember that, were this thing built, it would be the fastest vehicle ever built by man. Here's some math for the fun of it.
http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/supplement/orionisp1.jpg
http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/supplement/orionisp2.jpg

We're talking real-life Star Destroyers here with enough firepower to level a continent in a matter of minutes. These were supposed to be interplanetary ships capable of reaching Saturn in less than a year.

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Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:28:40 No.407816150 Report

Quoted By: >>407816882

>>407814758
Well, at least in this regard, we have drones beginning to make an appearance in civilian life. Because we OWN drone production world-wide, it'd be a great boost to our economy again.
Frankly, I'd prefer a much more heavily reduced social reliance system if we could put more money into ANY kind of research. Hell, even the military churns out great ideas now and again.
Oh, do you have any information on Rail-guns? I know that the US navy is looking at putting them into regular use in the next 10 years.

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Anonymous ID:8ruyA0PY Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:29:31 No.407816293 Report

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I still the the SR-71 was one of the coolest things to come out of the Cold War. Mach 3+ aircraft are always interesting.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:32:51 No.407816882 Report

Quoted By: >>407817250 >>407817835

>>407815982
Thanks. Pipe up and start some discussion. Talk about some of this shit, I'm happy to indulge.

Ask questions!
>>407816030
Saturn was not an unreasonable goal, nor was building one of these things.

Force=Mass* Acceleration

F=MA and the nuclear "propulsion units" produced a lot of A. On a small craft like a space capsule, the A would produce enough F to turn the crew into pink goo. Thus, Orion was designed to have a lot of M to cancel that out. That means MUCH bigger spacecraft with larger cargoes and crews.

How big? We're talking nuclear submarine or ocean-liner big. Orion would completely change spaceflight as we know it.

>>407816150
I know a bit about the railgun projects, but it's not necessary Cold War in nature.

If we diverted even SOME of the funding we spend on Homeland Security and other such nonsense into the sciences, we'd see incredible gains. Remember that NASA is the ONLY government agency to actually turn a profit... that's despite all the claimed "waste and bureaucracy" in its budget. In fact...

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:34:58 No.407817250 Report

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>>407816882
Aerogel
Dynamically flexible wings
Molded carbon composite airframes
Fly by light
Fly by wire control
"Glass" cockpit technology
Civilian HUD's
Enhanced air traffic control
Improved medical imaging software (look up Hubble repair and the Lombardi cancer research center)
"Lab on a chip" piezoelectric, reagent, and molecular probe instant testing
LED's
Infrared thermometers
Ventricular assist devices (for cardiac patients)
Aircraft de-icing systems
Lyophylization
Enhanced and more robust water filtration technology
Biological and chemical remediation
Powdered lubricants
Lifting body aircraft
VTOL/ STOVL technology
Quiet supersonic aircraft
Aerospike engines
Beta voltaic batteries
Charge-coupled devices (make digital imaging possible)
Monomolecular coatings applied by electromagnetic processes
Zinc silicate corrosion resistant coatings
UV resistant coating
3d printing for rapid prototyping
Structural analysis software
Aeroponic farming/gardening

All produced by NASA after Apollo when it had no real, coherent, human spaceflight goal and little funding/support.

This has real consequences. The Boeing 787's projected orders alone (because of its superior technology thanks to public-private partnerships between Boeing and NASA) justifies the last 10 years of NASA funding as profitable. That's omitting all other US aerospace projects and contracts.

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Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:38:24 No.407817835 Report

Quoted By: >>407818567

>>407816882
For all the money spent on the biggest gun, we don't realise that it's the economy that wins the wars and makes the best empires.
It doesn't surprise me that NASA's turned a profit, it DOES surprise me that it's the only one.
And yet, its funding has been slashed yet again.
Disgusting.

The dream of every child was to be an astronaut! What will their dreams, and epitomes of education and physical fitness be if we don't have any astronauts?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:39:34 No.407818082 Report

Quoted By: >>407818567 >>407820461

i always found history really interesting. Wouldve studied history but it never would've panned out. Anything about jet packs, armor, or supersoldiers in general?

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:42:15 No.407818567 Report

Quoted By: >>407819224

>>407817835
Looking back on it, the future depicted in 2001 doesn't seem all that far-fetched, does it?

This is the future (a very technologically possible and feasible future) as dreamt by scientists and engineers. This is what happens when scientists and engineers are given money and told to think big.

The world we live in now is a world of failed promises and possibilities, brought to you by bankers.

Seriously, look at this shit. All of it was dead-serious, soberly-proposed, and (at one point) funded by the US government.

Sure, we were involved in an arms race but it mobilized TREMENDOUS support around otherwise ridiculous things. We did the most noble of things for the basest of reasons.

Were it not for a desire for enhanced guidance and telemetry for ICBM's, the space race would NEVER have happened.

It's sad that we needed war and politics as motives to create and fund great things, but the reality is still there. The technology is still there, the science is all still there.

The much-hyped (and rightfully so) Thorium-U233 molten salt reactor design was originally developed as part of a program to power an aircraft with a nuclear reactor. Naturally, design features like reliability, robust thermal management, the impossibility of meltdown, and relatively simple/lightweight neutron management were all needed.

Swords into plowshares indeed.

>>407818082
Well... you have jet platforms for individual soldiers.
You have caseless ammunition assault rifles.
You have maintenance mechs.

That's pretty good already!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:45:57 No.407819224 Report

Quoted By: >>407819903

>>407818567
I wished we had gotten a more liberal and less war-focal president like Gore in the house instead of Bush.
Hell, god knows Gore would have stripped the war budget bare and put that all into eco-research, which wouldn't be that far of a leap into other fields.
He was off by something like 300 votes, too.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:50:11 No.407819903 Report

Quoted By: >>407820138 >>407821254

There was, at one point, a serious proposal to shift the US merchant marine to nuclear power.

To this end, designs like the SSTAR were developed to provide largely self-contained "plug-and-play" reactors for ships. Ships could dock at almost any port and have their spent reactor swapped out for a new module within a day or two. Off-site crews would handle maintenance and re-fuelling of the spent reactor module.

Remember that one of the largest contributors to greenhouse gas emissions is the merchant marine fleets of the world.
>>407819224
It's the RIGHT kind of military spending.

There was a project back in the 60's that could have had Al Qaeda on its knees in less than 90 minutes after 9/11. I'll get to that later.

Pointless wars in the middle east are one thing, military funding of science and engineering is another.

Remember that military funding of digital computing technologies (specifically semiconductors) drove the transition of computers from room-sized behemoths into the things we know today. Digital computers were small and reliable long before the market (and hence private industry) had a demand for such machines largely thanks to a military drive to develop superior avionics.

Also, during the Cold War, no particle accelerator (look up the SSC) went un-funded.

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Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:51:39 No.407820138 Report

Quoted By: >>407821254

>>407819903
Agreed.
I'll just be quiet and let you post your interesting articles. I'll be lurking 'till it 404s.
Thanks for an interesting thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:52:06 No.407820204 Report

Quoted By: >>407820461 >>407821254

what about the elements and periodic table?
through space studies, were more elements discovered or any advances in the chemical and biological fields? i know they discovered different states of water under different conditions.
I know im going to reference something stupid but there was some truth to it. What about experiments like those from "the men who stare at goats?"

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Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:53:51 No.407820461 Report

Quoted By: >>407821254

>>407820204
adding on to that
>>407818082
and that
What about nanotechnology? Any applications to develop better soldiers? Fuck i wished i lived in that time, majoring in chemistry now isnt as glorious as in the cold war

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Anonymous ID:7fQCmRwz Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:55:51 No.407820758 Report

Quoted By: >>407821813

I reply to one every 5k threads i see.
Toasting in epic bread.
MFW this is all

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Anonymous ID:8ruyA0PY Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:58:52 No.407821178 Report

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NASA's experiments in thrust vestoring have made all sorts of crazy planes. Look ay youtube for F-16s with 3-d thrust vectoring.
Pic related. F-15 ACTIVE. It could possibly more maneuverable than an F-22.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 07:59:28 No.407821254 Report

Quoted By: >>407821978 >>407822246

>>407819903
Here's your Al Qaeda killer, if you're into that sort of thing.

>>407820138
Don't be quiet, talk with me. That's what makes threads fun! Besides I like your input. We're largely on the same page anyway and it bumps the thread... help fight the cancer!

Project Thor was a proposal for a kinetic energy weapon (no explosives, just energy from impact) to be dropped on hardened targets around the globe. Energy released was equivalent to a small nuclear bomb.

The idea was to drop telephone-pole-sized rods of Tungsten (Rods from God) on a target from space. No bunker, cave, or anything would be safe. Strikes could be arranged and carried out in about 90 minutes time to any point on the globe.

Why send troops when you can reign god-like terror from space?

>>407820204
New elements, to the best of my knowledge, have been lab-made and don't last long because of inherent instabilities. No real progress was made with "paranormal" research, though work was done into LSD mind control and other exotic shit that actually (kinda) worked.

>>407820461
Nanotech was a far-off dream, but metamaterials weren't. Remember that in the 70's and 80's carbon fiber and similar composites were MASSIVELY expensive. Military demand changed ALL OF THAT. Suddenly, government contracts created incentive to produce more efficiently and economies of scale... making carbon fiber for civilian use more practical.

Chemistry is still glamorous. I go diving with an old-timer physical chemistry PhD from back in the day that worked on reactors and other exotic projects. Awesome guy.

I did my first undergrad BS in biochemistry myself. I'm now doing another BS (hopefully MS/MBA) in nuclear engineering.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8ruyA0PY Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:03:12 No.407821784 Report

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZQDwRKHCSQ

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:03:25 No.407821813 Report

Quoted By: >>407822273 >>407822926 >>407824570

>>407820758
C'mon. Pipe up and talk with us!

I'm flattered that you think my (largely copypastaed) thread is epic.

What ITT impresses you the most?

Is it the nuclear Star Destroyers?
Is it the real-life 40K style bolter/rocket gun?
Is it the Jet infantry (C&C Tiberian Sun, eat your heart out!)?
Is it the atomic death rays?
Is it the mechs?

Or is it the sheer crazy factor of it all?

This IS some out-there shit. But as I said, it was all deadly-serious at the time. It's also all technologically possible. These things only want for funding and political willpower.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:A36Xzz56 Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:03:52 No.407821895 Report

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time to raid http://flockdraw.com/5q5f1p

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Anonymous ID:gxTuVUR1 Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:03:55 No.407821904 Report

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These faggots are trying to raid RIGHT NOW,
I got kicked out of their guild for calling the GM a faggot, because he was being a faggot.
REVENGE /b/'s

VENTRILLO:
remembrance.typefrag.com
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pass: pikachu

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Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:04:23 No.407821978 Report

Quoted By: >>407822849

>>407821254
im going into biochemistry probably get a doctorate or masters myself, just not sure what to do after that...
>mfw
anyways hmm what about genetic engineering in humans or in general?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7fQCmRwz Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:05:00 No.407822071 Report

Quoted By: >>407822849

Moot, if you do not archive this thread, i will find and kill you

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Anonymous ID:xCyfuPHp Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:05:47 No.407822195 Report

Quoted By: >>407822849

THE SPACE SHUTTLE

Ignore any pretend civilian missions it has went on. It was designed specifically to launch superheavy classified payloads such as keyhole satellites into orbit.

Look up its mission list, and you will see that many of its missions are paid for by the DOD and all classified top secret.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:06:08 No.407822246 Report

Quoted By: >>407822849

>>407821254
Heh, alright.
Although to be fair, I can see a lot going wrong with project Thor, like missing drastically, being 'too cruel', etc. Similar to complaints with drones, but on a much higher scale.
Not to mention that it may be considered a superweapon and trigger massive outcries from the public.
Fun fact: the USA is one of the few countries to have not fully signed and ratified the Geneva Conventions.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:06:17 No.407822273 Report

Quoted By: >>407822849

>>407821813
what about laser weaponry, i know its theoretically impossible to have laser pistols (for now) but whats the future ammo which was begun in the cold war? biochemical warfare developments?

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:09:43 No.407822849 Report

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>>407821978
Not investigated during the Cold War.

I will say thought that I'm the product of biotechnology, after a fashion. I was conceived using in-vitro fertilization. No fancy molecular probe genetics tests and sequencing back then, but I was karyotyped prior to implantation.

Biochemistry, if you have the patience for it, is a great field. Large molecule pharmaceuticals are a very real revolution on the horizon. Not only in terms of cheaper to produce (since modified bacteria shit them out) but in terms of personalized and more effective medicine.

As supercomputing power increases and "shotgun" sequencing gets cheaper, we're going to see a goddamn revolution in all fields of biotechnology, pharmaceuticals, synthetic biology, and genetic engineering.

>>407822195
Yup. It had military-only missions that are classified to this day.

>>407822246
Fortunately, orbital mechanics prevents a gross "oops, we missed" scenario. However, bad intelligence could have us leveling a village that we didn't intend to.

>>407822273
I'll get to it, have some faith. I'm just responding and discussing for now. Join in!
>>407822071
Request and vote for archival on chanarchive. Post a link and I'll vote for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:10:11 No.407822926 Report

Quoted By: >>407823729

>>407821813
It's not the crazy, it just needs some research and development before it becomes mainstream and accepted. I can picture casing-less rifles becoming commonplace, with enough research and motivation. We already have mechs to a large degree, and are beginning to see an influence of military tech on everyday life, with new drone laws being passed, and drones becoming cheaper and cheaper.

And the nuclear Star destroyers are all plausible, they just lack the massive amounts of funding needed.
Also, given a couple dozen trillion dollars, we can mine minerals on the moon and within a dozen years, have solar panels set up on the back of the moon, wirelessly transmitted across a series of relay points to the Earth, providing near-limitless amounts of solar, renewable energy.
We already have broadcasting beams that can transmit pure power and energy to power the device on the other end.
A couple universities put together an article a while back, that's the jist of it.

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Anonymous ID:PqbPHOjr Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:10:50 No.407823039 Report

Quoted By: >>407823539 >>407823729

>>407808960
bump for history related discussion on /b/

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Anonymous ID:xCyfuPHp Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:11:16 No.407823095 Report

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Too bad it got cancelled.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:13:58 No.407823539 Report

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>>407823039
Good ol' Greek fire! Is there anything those Byzantine bastards can't do?
Well, asides keeping out hordes of angry Muslims.

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Anonymous ID:7fQCmRwz Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:14:29 No.407823632 Report

Quoted By: >>407824570

It's the sheer crazy factor.
Other than tht, actually the optical active camo tht was begun during the cold war, also, the jetpacks ( high adrenaline civilin use, current tech) lso the interchangeable fusion reactors specifically. I have reasearched all but the maintenance mechs at one point or another. I've only reason ive missed out on the maint mechs is because i live in the woods and have limited power for internet browsing, and have been dedicating that to funds.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:15:03 No.407823729 Report

Quoted By: >>407825069

>>407822926
Space-based solar technology was investigated a while back, actually. Microwave power transmission, even through the atmosphere, has been proven feasible.

Asteroid mining is more possible than you think. Using NERVA or Orion nuclear pulse propulsion, the capture of asteroids in Earth orbit to be mined is actually pretty possible... and relatively cheap. Relative to the amount of resources we'd get out of the endeavor, that is.

These ideas were impressive as weapons of war, no doubt. But they also have other uses. A sustainable, clean, and expanding economy is a viable option for our future.

We owe it to future generations to re-investigate all of these technologies.

>>407823039
I know it's after the Byzantines and Greek Fire, but I once saw an actual ship that participated in the Battle of Lepanto. Inspiring shit.

Not all of us science-types are ignorant of history.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:h341dn2H Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:17:04 No.407824079 Report

Quoted By: >>407824192 >>407824414 >>407824872

It's amazing all the insane and asinine ideas that we and the commies came up with.

Very interesting indeed.

I'll contribute. As stated below, this isn't a strictly cold war item, but Soviet Union related, so therefore Cold War to me. I have many hi res pics, if anyone wants to see them.

The Lun-class ekranoplan (NATO reporting name Duck) was a ground effect aircraft designed by Rostislav Evgenievich Alexeev and used by the Soviet and Russian navies from 1987 to sometime in the late 1990s.

It flew using the extra lift generated by the effect of its large wings when close to the surface of the water - about four meters or less. Lun was one of the largest seaplanes ever built, with a length of 73 m (240 ft), rivaling the Hughes H-4 Hercules ("The Spruce Goose") and many jumbo jets.

The aircraft was equipped for anti-surface warfare, and it carried the P-270 Moskit (Mosquito) guided missile. It was equipped with six missile launchers, mounted in pairs on the dorsal surface of its fuselage, and its advanced tracking systems mounted in its nose and tail.

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Anonymous ID:h341dn2H Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:17:36 No.407824192 Report

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>>407824079

Crap, picture

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Anonymous ID:h341dn2H Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:18:50 No.407824414 Report

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>>407824079

A shot of the missile launchers

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Anonymous ID:7fQCmRwz Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:19:47 No.407824570 Report

Quoted By: >>407824872

>>407823632
^This was meant...
>>407821813
For this^

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:20:19 No.407824664 Report

Quoted By: >>407824872

I'm trying to think up of more subjects. What about ocean or underground projects?

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:21:24 No.407824872 Report

Quoted By: >>407825216 >>407827732

>>407824079
Gotta love the Ekranoplanes of the Caspian and Black Sea fleets.

They're fast and can salvo off anti-ship missiles like no other... a valuable trait.

The Soviets always loved the idea of overwhelming our AEGIS defenses with shitloads of missiles. They even went so far as to load anti-ship missile launchers onto their AIRCRAFT CARRIER! Pic related.

>>407824570
No worries. We're relaxed here and this is fascinating shit. You're fighting cancer with every post.

>>407824664
Oh, I'll get to SOSUS and Project Plowshare.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:22:28 No.407825069 Report

Quoted By: >>407825995

>>407823729
I remember watching an interview with some high-ranking NASA official (Sorry for my lacking knowledge) stating that NASA was working on a design of ship that would be able to efficiently mine and move materials back to Earth.

On the subject of feasible space-technology, I also saw a very interesting design of a type of container that could easily be used to house people in space, it's lightweight and compact at launch, yet when it's in space and full of Human-friendly gases, it's been proven to be extremely durable to passerby spacerocks and could easily be used in the future planning of potential space colonies.
I know it's not exactly cold-war, but do you have any information on the telescope designed to replace Hubble?

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Anonymous ID:h341dn2H Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:23:14 No.407825216 Report

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>>407824872

Yup, attack in numbers, not precision.

Where it sits today. (Or at least one of them)

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:27:26 No.407825995 Report

Quoted By: >>407826786

>>407825069
It's the James Webb. I'm not sure what it's current status is. Last I heard, it was slashed.

You're talking about the Bigelow Aerospace inflatable modules. A brilliant design/idea, actually.

Here's SOSUS, as promised.

The SOSUS (SOund SUrveillance System) was a network of unmanned undersea stations meant to monitor Soviet submarine and general naval movements using passive SONAR. It has had other uses in the form of monitoring seismic activity generated by earthquakes and nuclear test detonations. It's even been used to study whale migration patterns and ocean thermocline temperatures and dispositions.

What was originally meant to keep tabs on the Reds turned out to be an unbelievable boon to geologists, marine biologists, and climatologists.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:29:36 No.407826382 Report

Quoted By: >>407827287

Yup that's the same principle they used for their tanks too. What about cold fusion or nuclear fusion in general advances?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:31:47 No.407826786 Report

Quoted By: >>407827730

>>407825995
Just checked, they were too far invested by the time they cancelled it.

"The mission was under review for cancellation by the United States Congress in 2011 after about $3 billion had been spent,[7] and more than 75 percent of its hardware was either in production or undergoing testing.[8] In November 2011, Congress reversed plans to cancel the JWST and instead capped additional funding to complete the project at $8 billion.[9]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Webb_Space_Telescope

I know Wiki isn't reliable, but I figure it's commonplace enough information for it to be trustworthy.
Also, very interesting military base pattern. It's funny how we've always feared the Reds attacking us, yet in actuality, we've had a very aggressive policy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:32:33 No.407826931 Report

Quoted By: >>407827287 >>407828370

What about those artificial biomedical projects? I know there was a famous one in the us. I feel like I'm just spamming this thread with questions

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:34:26 No.407827287 Report

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Atoms for Peace was an initiative to turn nuclear technology to more peaceful ends.

This included plans for heavy nuclear-powered cargo zeppelins and Project Plowshare.

Project Plowshare was to investigate nuclear detonations for peaceful purposes like mining and excavation. Plans were drawn up to merge aquifers, instantly dig channels, and to blast artificial harbors.

Some envisioned this as a means to carve out tunnels and sealed living spaces on Mars and the Moon.

>>407826382
I'm sorry to be negative, but cold fusion is a pipe-dream that'll never happen because it violates the laws of physics.

Fusion is interesting. There was work done on bombs that used a VERY small amount of fissile fuel as a primer for a fusion reaction. The idea was to reduce fallout for bombs used for civil purposes like those of Project Plowshare. The Soviets got to the point that 98% of some bombs' yield was from fusion.

As far as fusion for power goes, there is the ITER which is a Tokamak reactor design. There's also the NIF (National Ignition Facility) which aims to use inertial confinement fusion. Essentially, you shoot lasers at a fusion fuel target to initiate a reaction. Initial tests from the NIF look VERY promising. There are some (later) variants of Orion nuclear pulse propulsion that propose using lasers to ignite fusion fuel pellets instead of using fission bombs.

>>407826931
Not at all. I'm not too familiar with biomedical projects of the Cold War era.

I know DARPA is investigating all kinds of nifty shit though. A lot of it is actually on their website.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:37:09 No.407827730 Report

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>>407826786
We DID have an aggressive policy.

It's an arms race, damnit! We can't let the Reds get the jump on us!

Though it isn't a particularly impressive-looking aircraft, the A-5 Vigilante is impressive underneath her skin.

She first flew in 1958 but her squared intakes, high monowing, and large stabilizer all resemble aircraft produced 25 years later.

Inside, she had a HUD (heads up display), advanced guidance and targeting computers, inertial navigation, fly-by-wire control, and multi-mode radar with a digital computer to control it all. At the time, that avionics suite was groundbreaking.

She was fast and maneuverable too. Escorting fighters found it difficult to keep up with the Vigilante.

Easily 20-25 years ahead of her time and a maintenance nightmare, but she was unmatched in her class.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7fQCmRwz Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:37:10 No.407827732 Report

Quoted By: >>407828101

>>407824872
Thank you, my apologies for not really contributing o he subject at hand, but i am working on a project of my own involving efficient personal and commercial transport using current technologies. I would indulge but its why i moved to the woods, so i could save more money to start the company sooner.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:39:23 No.407828101 Report

Quoted By: >>407828869 >>407828994

>>407827732
Zeppelins.

Seriously. Rigid airships would completely circumvent the civic planning and eminent domain nightmares of high-speed rail. It'd also be more flexible and move at a similar speed.

I envision a future where you can hop on a zeppelin from a docking tower downtown in one city and travel to another while sipping a beer.

No, I'm not joking.

Don't worry about asking questions and engaging. This isn't cancerous and you're perfectly welcome.

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Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:40:41 No.407828370 Report

Quoted By: >>407829572

>>407826931
well im tired lol
I meant to put artificial biomes not biomedical
>mfw

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:43:21 No.407828869 Report

Quoted By: >>407829572

>>407828101
I'd love to see Zeppelins again, do you know exactly why they fell out of use?
I figured it had something to do with the marvel of aeroplane flight and the fear caused by the Hindenburg, but if you use Helium/Hydrogen ( I forget which one is less volatile) it's less prone to explosions.
I'd love to see them get a nice revival. They had a lot of potential, we could have had air-ferries.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:44:00 No.407828994 Report

Quoted By: >>407829572

>>407828101
zeppelins? I know helium price is artificially low and we may waste our stockpiles so where else besides the air can we get more?
>inb4 sun
oh shit i just remembered, what about rare earth metals? is there a prospect of finding them in plentiful amounts in space? And what about elements in the gas giants, is it possible of finding more there?

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:47:03 No.407829572 Report

Quoted By: >>407830506

>>407828370
Well, there's been a surprising amount of research done by NASA into enclosed ecosystems.

Personally, I'm semi-obsessed with the idea of photobioreactors providing feedstock (algae) for aquaponics.

>Sun hits wastewater from buildings and neighborhoods
>Algae grows and cleans the water
>Algae is strained off to feed fish, mussels, prawns, etc.
>Water goes into the aquatic livestock's tanks
>Fish, prawns, mussels, etc. poop
>Poop-water is flushed to plants to fertilize/feed them and grow produce like fruits, greens, and vegetables
>Water is strained/cleaned in the process by the plants' root systems and AMF (arbuscular michorrhizal fungi) and fed back into municipal use to start the cycle over again

>>407828869
The Hindenberg. Although hydrogen is perfectly safe for use in airships. People freaked out, a lot like they did with nuclear power.

>>407828994
There are, probably (according to what surveys/studies have been done) heaps of rare earths, platinum groups, and heavy metals in even Near-Earth and Trojan orbit asteroids.

Helium is present on the lunar surface, deposited by solar "wind" but it'd be hard to get. Better idea: use hydrogen (it's perfectly safe) or capture helium from solar wind directly.

The outer planets and their moons (like Titan) have SHITLOADS of volatiles that would be of immense use.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7fQCmRwz Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:51:29 No.407830417 Report

Quoted By: >>407831159

Quick how to on archival req please, never done b4

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:51:50 No.407830506 Report

Quoted By: >>407831159

>>407829572
Thanks for the thread, but I need my sleep.
Night, all.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:53:48 No.407830924 Report

Quoted By:

http://chanarchive.org/request_votes
>>407808960

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Anonymous ID:nedu15Hp Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:53:54 No.407830945 Report

Quoted By: >>407831159

If only Operation Star Wars had efficiently taken action...

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:54:57 No.407831159 Report

Quoted By: >>407832048

Back to Cold War shit!

The Sprint missile was a US weapon for last ditch missile defense. It was to take off from silos with 750,000lbs of trust to accelerate at up to 100G's to engage enemy MIRVs as they fell on their targets. The Sprint was armed with an enhanced radiation (neutron bomb) warhead to allow it to disable enemy warheads without a direct hit, rather using the radioactive effects of its warhead to fry their detonation and fusing systems. US military planners and engineers figured a bit of predictable fallout was preferable to a vaporized city.

Coupled with the similarly-armed Spartan missile for mid-course missile intercept, it was to provide missile defense for the US prior to the signing of the ABM Treaty. The treaty killed large-scale deployment of the missiles but for protecting a crop of missile silos in the US midwest. This was ended shortly after.
>>407830506
Thanks for dropping by and adding to things.

>>407830417
http://chanarchive.org/request_votes

We're the number of the thread.

>>407830945
Star Wars (SDI) was kinda unrealistic in its hopes, though some of it was perfectly feasible if we were willing to defy certain treaties.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:nedu15Hp Sat 23 Jun 2012 08:59:29 No.407832048 Report

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>>407831159

well it would advance laser tech by about 30 years.. so no, it's not really unrealistic.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:00:49 No.407832329 Report

Quoted By: >>407832681

Just realized I was veering the thread away from the topic. What was the most destructive weapon built in the cold war (ie which wep could wipe out the biggest area)? Have we reached peak uranium during the cold war?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:02:39 No.407832681 Report

Quoted By: >>407834209

>>407832329
Well.

That had to be the Tsar Bomba, a 50MT (Megaton) bomb tested by the Soviets.

We did not reach peak uranium, no.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:02:41 No.407832687 Report

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Don't forget to vote for archive.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:08:00 No.407833813 Report

Quoted By: >>407834441

One vote off from archive.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:09:36 No.407834141 Report

Quoted By: >>407834441

Any more posts, OP?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:09:58 No.407834209 Report

Quoted By: >>407834441 >>407835235

>>407832681
I had heard about that weapon jusy wondered if there was anything better.

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Anonymous ID:8ruyA0PY Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:10:08 No.407834253 Report

Quoted By: >>407836270

Gotta love NASA.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:10:58 No.407834441 Report

Quoted By: >>407836270

>>407833813
I'll keep it going then.

The Soviet Mi26 transport helicopter. It is the largest production transport helicopter on Earth. It was intended to transport large amounts of fuel to advancing Soviet tank columns.

>>407834141
I'll keep going until someone new gets ITT or we have it archived.

>>407834209
Theoretically speaking, you can stage fusion bombs up into the TERAton range. You could almost crack a planet with that, but it's perfectly possible and within our engineering capabilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8ruyA0PY Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:14:34 No.407835189 Report

Quoted By: >>407835869

There's also that bit where NASA achieved supercruise on the F-16 XL.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:14:47 No.407835235 Report

Quoted By: >>407836653

>>407834209
I will say that there are interesting uses for a GIANT bomb like that aside from destroying a planet.

We could blast off Venus' atmosphere with bombs similar to that until it's appropriately thin. From there, you bombard it with icy bodies from throughout the Solar System (there are more than enough to make several Earth-scale oceans) until the atmosphere becomes more manageable for terraforming.

There's also the instant vaporization of Mars' polar ice caps to release water vapor and CO2 into the atmosphere to create more air pressure and kickstart a greenhouse effect.

Interesting point. Venus is relatively flat, topographically. If we ever completed terraforming, it'd be a planet of island archipelagos with a warm climate. A tropical paradise planet.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:17:39 No.407835869 Report

Quoted By: >>407836168

>>407835189
Supercruise is an interesting idea for supersonic airliners.

Coupled with a design to mitigate sonic boom and with the fuel efficiency of supercruise, supersonic airliners could become a reality for long enough routes to necessitate that kind of speed.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:19:02 No.407836168 Report

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>>407835869
For REALLY FAST travel, there's also the Reaction Engines Ltd. A2 which would use technology derived from the earlier-mentioned ITT HOTOL spaceplane concept.

It'd essentially skip along the outer atmosphere at insane speeds to deliver passengers anywhere on Earth in about 4 hours or so.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:19:29 No.407836270 Report

Quoted By: >>407836681 >>407836880

>>407834441
That help was huge and probably pretty useless now
>>407834253
Was the sr71 a NASA project? Thought it was an airforce CIA area51 thing.

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Anonymous ID:trtcOdYd Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:21:13 No.407836653 Report

Quoted By: >>407836880 >>407837150

>>407835235
Too bad we signed a treaty that says no use of nukes outside earths atmosphere.

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Anonymous ID:8ruyA0PY Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:21:24 No.407836681 Report

Quoted By: >>407836820

>>407836270
It was a Locheed project, if I remember correctly. Skunk works.

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Anonymous ID:8ruyA0PY Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:21:59 No.407836820 Report

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>>407836681
Lockheed. That typo bugs me. Correcting myself.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:22:13 No.407836880 Report

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>>407836270
It was. Eventually, NASA got their hands on them for flight testing.

There's also the A-12, which was a CIA/USAF project done with Lockheed. Kelly Johnson was a god.

>>407836653
If I ever come to power, we'll withdraw from those treaties when convenient.

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Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:23:22 No.407837150 Report

Quoted By: >>407837527

>>407836653
Didn't we nuke the moon?

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:24:20 No.407837367 Report

Quoted By: >>407837527

Speaking of coming to power, I have a plan...

If you ever wanted to see OP's faggotry made manifest as government policy, here it is...

>Merge NASA, part of the USAF, and part of the US Navy into the US Star Force. Its mission is to conduct combat and exploration missions in space, as well as aerospace R&D
>Build large facility in Southwest desert with large water and power hookups. Assign plots to competing companies and university teams. Whichever group gets the most efficient yields on algae biofuels, gets further grants of money and more land at the facility. A winner is chosen and given a contract to supply the military with a large amount of biofuel to kickstart the company
>Investigative wastewater treatment aquaponic vertical "farm" installed in White House to act as pilot project
>Mandate new construction to have solar panels
>Install superconducting power transmission lines throughout US where appropriate
>Relax government controls on nuclear power plant construction, subsidize new nuclear plant construction and research
>Force opening of Yucca mountain facility
>Re-open and expand Idaho National Lab's breeder reactor facility, build new reprocessing facilities and infrastructure
>The first commercial entity to construct a molten salt thorium-U233 fuel cycle reactor get the entire US stockpile (not reserves, stockpile) of Thorium
>Begin design and re-deployment of nuclear armed ICBM interceptors like the old Sprint missile
>Withdraw from relevant treaties to allow US Star Force to operate nuclear-armed spacecraft
>Subsidize STEM degrees through science-heavy ROTC program to recruit for Star Forces
>End War on Drugs
>End War on Terror

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:25:06 No.407837527 Report

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>>407837150
There was a plan to do so, but it never panned out. We went with Apollo to impress the world in a less terrifying way.

>>407837367
>Dissolve Department of Homeland Security
>Rely on nuclear deterrent, Navy, and Star Force for defense
>Terrorism becomes a law enforcement issue
>Allow, where environmentally sound, new drilling in the US

>Begin new construction at the old SSC site in Texas, it is to be a new National Lab
>National Labs funding is tripled, mostly to handle SSC construction
>Corporations found to have interfered with regulatory mechanisms will be seized and their assets (equipment) auctioned off to startups and educational interests
>Huge grants to get labs back into middle and high schools
>Downsize US Army, withdraw from wars
>Surplus US Army small arms are donated to community-organized civilian shooter programs for youth
>Withdraw from relevant treaties to allow for nuclear ICBM interceptors and nuclear propulsion (NERVA, maybe Orion) for US Star Force vessels
>Talk to economists about less intrusive means of lowering income inequality

>Start the Neighborhood Power Program through the DoE to produce/procure and install 4th generation fast neutron reactors to power boroughs/neighborhoods
>Investigate methods of storing energy excess from new solar in homes
>USAF, US Navy, and FAA are to begin research into cargo zeppelins and high speed (150mph) zeppelins for efficient and fast air travel in lieu of high speed rail
>US immediately tenders contract for certain metals to be delivered to LEO from Planetary Resources to create an artificial market
>Construction of a large solar power array connected to an accelerator to produce and store quantities of antimatter-- this is to be the L4/L5 National Lab

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:27:14 No.407838028 Report

Quoted By: >>407839352 >>407840078

We're also way too squeamish about science and technology. We need to get over ourselves and stop being such pussies.

The following are things I've said while working in a lab at some point or another in my life...

>Nah, I don't think the goggles are necessary
>Don't worry about it, inhalation of mercury vapors is an over-rated risk
>It's not all that soluble, I wouldn't worry about it too much
>Well, the risks aren't completely known but that dose didn't kill the water fleas or rats, so you should be cool.
>Stop being such a pussy, it's nothing a skin graft can't fix
>If you're scared of the sharks and want to come up, just remember that the closest decompression chamber is 15 minutes away and it'll only take 3 or so minutes for the inevitable embolism to kill you.
>Yeah, I'm not saying that it's going to harm you, but I won't feel comfortable until we spray you with phenolic. Put on these gloves and we'll get you to decontamination.
>This is God's way of telling you that you should have listened to me and not touched anything. Enjoy the peripheral neuropathy in 30 years.

>So we're all agreed. We add only enough caffeine to the jungle juice to equal about 4 red bulls per cup.
>With some propofol from the lab and a few surgical instruments, I bet I could neuter your guinea pig.
>Well, there was a lot of blood, but I'm pretty sure it worked. He's on a tiny glucose and saline drip right now.

>I prefer to think of them as fringe benefits, not side effects.
>I don't know why you're even wearing gloves, they won't stop the needle if it punctures the body wall and you'll die in less than a minute anyway.
>I think I need to lay down, the vine snake bit me and I feel almost drunk.

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Anonymous ID:Veh78n6Q Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:32:50 No.407839205 Report

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Bump 'n hump!

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Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:33:31 No.407839352 Report

Quoted By: >>407840078

>>407838028
With all due respect, how are you not dead?

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Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:37:08 No.407840056 Report

Quoted By: >>407840549

What about comets and asteroid prevention projects during the cold war

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:37:15 No.407840078 Report

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>>407838028
I guess that's the point of this thread.

Science and engineering are more badass than most people realize.

You do some of the most dangerous, fantastic, and interesting things with little if any "adult" supervision.

There's no words to describe even the feeling after making even the most mundane of discoveries.

Technology has taken us, as a species, on a wild fucking ride the last few thousand years and things look to get even more interesting as we move forward.

This Cold War technology is just the tip of the iceberg as far as manifestations of human ingenuity go.

Sure kids, you could be a banker and make money, or you could be a scientist and do something!

>>407839352
Luck, just the right safety precautions, and a good sense for when lab accidents are about to happen.

I've seen:
An acid spill (hydrofluoric, nasty stuff)
An un-covered aminative reduction with mercury
The explosion of a microfluidizer machine with an experimental anesthetic in it
Amateur surgery on a friend's pet guinea pig (I did the surgery)
Surgery on a toxic newt (I did my share of that)
Contamination with a live enterococcus culture
Inhalation of an experimental chemotherapy drug that's insanely cytotoxic
and more!

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:39:33 No.407840549 Report

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>>407840056
No real knowledge of those. I assume our plan was then what it is now:

Stick a big bomb on a large rocket like the Titan series and shoot it at the dangerous rock/ice-ball.

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Anonymous ID:965WcXsk Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:40:33 No.407840769 Report

Quoted By: >>407841427 >>407841576

idk what any of that wild shit is, but it sounds like you did your homewok and i would be glad to own any of those cool shits and pose massive threat with an unrelenting death from above that was beyond discrimination

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:43:42 No.407841427 Report

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>>407840769
It's archived. Look at some of the shit ITT.

Star Destroyers that we actually wanted to build back in the 60's. Not space capsules with missiles, fucking giant spacecraft propelled by nuclear bombs that could skewer enemy spacecraft with a lance of plasma moving at an appreciable fraction of light speed.

Spy stations in space.

Infantry troopers on jet platforms flying around shooting stuff.

Exotic laser weapons powered by nuclear detonations.

That kind of shit. Read some of it, you won't be disappointed. That's this OP's guarantee against faggotry and cancer!

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Anonymous ID:yO+VYlyF Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:44:27 No.407841576 Report

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>>407840769
>idk what any of that wild shit is, but it sounds like you did your homewok and i would be glad to own
>it sounds like you did your homewok and
>you did your homewok
>homewok
mfw

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Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:47:33 No.407842189 Report

Quoted By: >>407842951

I'm tired as hell, its almost 2am and i have to be up at 7 but this thread is too damn interesting. What about advances in curing paralysis, missing limbs retardation synthetic blood and organs were made in the cold war?

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Anonymous ID:zW+9Ku25 Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:50:13 No.407842746 Report

Quoted By: >>407842951

SR-71 Cutaway.

Great thread, op.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:51:18 No.407842951 Report

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>>407842189
The biotech stuff is mostly recent, not Cold War era.

Sorry bro, but there were some frontiers of science and engineering they just couldn't push back then, even if they wanted to.

Without gene sequencing, molecular probes, and PCR a lot of this biotech and medicine stuff that's being investigated today isn't possible.

>>407842746
Thank you much. Happy to post and happy to chat about any and all of this bullshit.

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Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:55:56 No.407843781 Report

Quoted By: >>407844086

Running out of topics mostly because I don't know muchonthis
What about time travel? I know a little bit about the whole space time continuum shit. And what's scold war thread without aliens. Any Soviet work on aliens?

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 09:57:30 No.407844086 Report

Quoted By: >>407850403 >>407864676

>>407843781
Nope. Sorry.

I always thought though that, had we built the Project Orion battleships, that Independence Day and Battle Los Angeles would have been VERY different and pretty short movies.

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Anonymous ID:zW+9Ku25 Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:02:06 No.407844931 Report

Quoted By: >>407845604

op, question.

Sort of not related i guess, but the drone wars. Do you feel it is a violation of Pakistani sovereignty that the US conducts drone missions inside their borders/air space?

Pic is related, though.

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Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:02:55 No.407845085 Report

Quoted By: >>407845604

Any stealth or invisibility projects? I know stealth aircraft and subs were big but what about for individual soldiers etc. That's probably my last question if not my posts will just be riddled with nonsense and spelling errors.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:05:30 No.407845604 Report

Quoted By: >>407845762 >>407845940 >>407847087

>>407844931
It undoubtedly is and the Pakistanis are rightfully pissed about it.

Then again, they have been shitty allies in our War on Terror.

Then again, our War on Terror has been a generally shitty endeavor riddled with incompetence, waste, and unnecessary bullshit from day-1.

>>407845085
None of which I know. A lot of the modern ideas of optical/thermal camo and whatnot are just that: modern.

Cold War tech was largely more about brute force means to having the bigger, better gun. It was less about stealth and elegance... not to say some of the designs aren't insanely elegant in their own ways.

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Anonymous ID:8ruyA0PY Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:06:24 No.407845762 Report

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>>407845604
The YF-23 was a cool looking plane.

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Anonymous ID:zW+9Ku25 Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:07:18 No.407845940 Report

Quoted By: >>407846324 >>407846858

>>407845604

YF-23 Cutaway =)

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Anonymous ID:zW+9Ku25 Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:09:19 No.407846324 Report

Quoted By: >>407846858

>>407845940

Woops, lol. Neither a cutaway or a YF-23.

This, however, is another picture.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:12:26 No.407846858 Report

Quoted By: >>407847262

>>407845940
Awesome pic.

What're you trying to do anyway, upstage me in my own thread?

It's very welcome though, all kidding aside.

I guess the thread has lost some of its flair for the insane, but cool shit is still here nonetheless.

I can just imagine the president (Kennedy would be ideal but Nixon would be fun too) telling the Soviet Premier to, "Witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battleship!"

>>407846324
An early lockheed proposal for the ATF competition.

I have a picture of me next to the USAF Museum's YF-23. It might just be my favorite plane.

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Anonymous ID:pme7b0eA Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:13:58 No.407847087 Report

Quoted By: >>407847580

>>407845604
This was a great thread which I probably took a bigger part than I should've. Thanks op ill check back on this thread in the archive later today.

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Anonymous ID:zW+9Ku25 Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:15:04 No.407847262 Report

Quoted By: >>407847549 >>407847580

>>407846858

I have pictures of a lot of drones.

There is some cool shit going on in that area, lol.

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Anonymous ID:zW+9Ku25 Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:16:41 No.407847549 Report

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>>407847262

Also, here's the dudes flying it in Florida.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:16:56 No.407847580 Report

Quoted By: >>407848070

>>407847087
Not at all. Your input was welcome. I don't start threads to pontificate and not talk, I'd start a blog if I wanted to do that.

You start threads to talk about shit and share it.

>>407847262
Some of the new drones are amazing.

Case in point, this baby here.

Even the more "mundane" drones are serious warfighting tools that give us an incredible advantage.

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Anonymous ID:8ruyA0PY Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:17:47 No.407847720 Report

Quoted By: >>407848020

How about foreward-swept win aircraft?

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:19:35 No.407848020 Report

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>>407847720
The X-29 was awesome!

There's also the more recent Su.47 Berkut from Russia.

In addition to the X-29, there was the X-31 that helped investigate instability, wing vortices, canard maneuvering, post-stall maneuvering, and vectored thrust.

Both were German-American cooperation projects.

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Anonymous ID:zW+9Ku25 Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:19:53 No.407848070 Report

Quoted By: >>407848767

>>407847580

I check out Wired's coverage of it a bit.

New capabilities are crazy, especially in terms of missiles.

> pic related. Filename.

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Anonymous ID:zW+9Ku25 Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:21:39 No.407848384 Report

Quoted By: >>407848664

Anyone remember this thing falling into the ocean or some such shit?

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Anonymous ID:ZUQ0K3+b Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:23:12 No.407848664 Report

Quoted By: >>407848767

>>407848384
Sure. It went so damn fast it peeled its own skin off in a fit of hypersonic air friction.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:23:48 No.407848767 Report

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>>407848070
Oh yeah.

We also had the AGM-129 stealth cruise missile during the Cold War. That thing is fucking impressive, though not nearly so fast as the Waverider.

>>407848664
That's a teething problem. Job security for engineers.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:25:16 No.407849007 Report

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Oh yeah.

Don't forget to visit the archive, upvote this thread, and ensure that it lives on in the archive instead of being deleted in a few days.

If you aren't registered to do so, do it now.

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Anonymous ID:zW+9Ku25 Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:30:40 No.407850019 Report

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Here's some Cold War deliciousness.

A bunker not far from Moscow, turned into a Museum.

Revealing it was a huge deal to local Russians who had no idea it was there.

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Anonymous ID:SPjflePg Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:32:36 No.407850403 Report

Quoted By: >>407850821

>>407844086
Yep, your that /pol/ guy that pretends to live in an alternate reality

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:34:52 No.407850821 Report

Quoted By: >>407850971

>>407850403
From time to time. The first thread was fucking great and a lot of fun. It also helped me suss out some ideas for a writing project of mine.

We all know it's just fiction, but it's interactive and fun fiction, goddamnit.

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Anonymous ID:5dunVDNZ Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:34:54 No.407850830 Report

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Not OP here

Heres a few interesting pics for you from this wonderful era

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Anonymous ID:5dunVDNZ Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:35:29 No.407850940 Report

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Anonymous ID:SPjflePg Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:35:38 No.407850971 Report

Quoted By: >>407851307

>>407850821
I remember you arguing with the nazi guy about plasma, what was that about?

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Anonymous ID:5dunVDNZ Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:37:06 No.407851239 Report

Quoted By: >>407851506 >>407852352

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:37:30 No.407851307 Report

Quoted By: >>407851774

>>407850971
Oh, that was an abortive attempt to clarify that MY alternate reality really could exist, as it doesn't violate the laws of goddamn physics.

His craziness about nazi spaceships with plasma weapons (ultimately useless as presented) and general cluelessness about physics was pissing me off.

You can indulge in science fiction all you'd like, but PLEASE don't just throw around buzzwords and defend impossible physics.

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Anonymous ID:5dunVDNZ Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:37:59 No.407851391 Report

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:38:37 No.407851506 Report

Quoted By: >>407851903

>>407851391
>>407851239
For capturing film canisters from Corona spy satellites.

Amazing stuff.

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Anonymous ID:5dunVDNZ Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:38:48 No.407851540 Report

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Anonymous ID:5dunVDNZ Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:39:38 No.407851686 Report

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Anonymous ID:SPjflePg Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:40:06 No.407851774 Report

Quoted By: >>407852546

>>407851307
He did make a point though with Plasma being a good short range type weapon though, wouldn't it just burn through the hull? And then he said the main weapons were Fusion lasers which didn't sound that bad.

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Anonymous ID:5dunVDNZ Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:40:51 No.407851903 Report

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>>407851506

Yep.

A wonderful piece of technology for its time

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Anonymous ID:MmWeIteq Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:41:18 No.407851982 Report

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South Africa :( Full plant, full US support... then realization came the nignogs don't like white only jobs.

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Anonymous ID:5dunVDNZ Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:42:23 No.407852176 Report

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Anonymous ID:5dunVDNZ Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:43:22 No.407852352 Report

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>>407851391
>>407851239

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:44:24 No.407852546 Report

Quoted By: >>407853158 >>407853407

>>407851686
You seem to love the Corona spy satellites, care to share a bit about their history?

>>407851774
Well, you have to understand that a plasma would dissipate within less than a few kilometers... which is skin-of-your-teeth close in space. If you're getting that close in REAL space combat, something's seriously fucking wrong.

That and providing energy to power a weapon that has to magnetically "bottle" the equivalent of a thermonuclear bomb is just inefficient use of power and bad engineering to boot.

Fusion lasers don't make sense. A fusion reaction is one thing, a laser is another.

If you want to skewer something with plasma, use a directed nuclear detonation instead of wasting INSANE amounts of energy on an a weapon of limited (at best) utility.

I love science fiction and alternate history, don't get me wrong, I just don't like it when science is contorted to the whims of an author. There's artistic license, sure, but there has to be some connection with reality.

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Anonymous ID:5dunVDNZ Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:44:31 No.407852568 Report

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Anonymous ID:rpgH9i2w Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:45:51 No.407852790 Report

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I miss the cold war =(

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Anonymous ID:EhRIQ0dS Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:46:35 No.407852931 Report

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truely sad that most of the space things arent researched or put on priority anymore. would love to see more space stuff if you can.

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Anonymous ID:rpgH9i2w Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:47:38 No.407853121 Report

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Anonymous ID:SPjflePg Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:47:49 No.407853158 Report

Quoted By: >>407854393

>>407852546
I'd think of a fusion laser as something that draws it's energy of a fusion reaction and uses the extreme heat as the weapon, like a death ray. Personally my ships would use probability weapons.

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Anonymous ID:5dunVDNZ Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:49:23 No.407853407 Report

Quoted By: >>407856645

>>407852546

Lemme find a document

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Anonymous ID:rpgH9i2w Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:50:53 No.407853638 Report

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:55:13 No.407854393 Report

Quoted By: >>407854659 >>407854880 >>407855415

>>407853158
That's just the thing.

If you want to channel a nuclear blast into something, there are easier ways to do it that cost less, have greater tactical flexibility, and are far more plausible in terms of actual science/engineering.

If we wanted to have a circle jerk about the capabilities of the USS Enterprise or a Star Destroyer, we'd do that.

Part of what makes this Cold War stuff so impressive is that it's VERY REAL. These things could start construction TOMORROW if the political and financial backing existed.

If someone wants to get into a pointless internet debate with me about potential spacecraft, that's awesome and I'm ready to indulge. The issue is that's impossible when you're comparing real designs with real physical limitations to those of pure fantasy.

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Anonymous ID:EhRIQ0dS Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:56:48 No.407854659 Report

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>>407854393
yep, technology is actually a lot further than what most people. i hate those dumb asses though.

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Anonymous ID:SPjflePg Sat 23 Jun 2012 10:58:08 No.407854880 Report

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>>407854393
That's not a nuclear blast, that would be the channel of energy from a pure fusion reaction, which would have unparalleled range, I'd assume each laser would have a reactor too. Sonic weapons would be interesting, so would normal nuclear missiles and quantum beams.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8ruyA0PY Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:00:08 No.407855217 Report

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>>407853638
Oh man, the X-15 is a beautiful thing.

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Anonymous ID:7fQCmRwz Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:00:21 No.407855247 Report

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Thank you all for the food for thought.
Goodnight

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:01:24 No.407855415 Report

Quoted By: >>407855974

>>407854393
And now I'm being a SF snob, sorry. I don't mean to take on an argumentative or dickish tone.

>>407854659
Exactly. I talk about it farther up ITT but part of this whole spiel is to show people, even the people of /b/, that some truly amazing shit is perfectly possible and was (at one point) seriously considered.

Here's a good one. The ASM-135 was an anti-satellite weapon to be launched from F-15 fighters. Mission profile was to use the F-15's amazing thrust/weight ratio to accelerate while climbing at a high angle. This would be an intense maneuver and would require drop tanks.

The F-15 would ascend to firing altitude and release the missile. The ASM-135 would then continue into orbit to hit its target with a blast of shrapnel not all that dissimilar from that of a conventional air-to-air missile.

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Anonymous ID:8ruyA0PY Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:04:37 No.407855974 Report

Quoted By: >>407856115 >>407856879

>>407855415
That sounds ingenious, why don't we use that now?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:SPjflePg Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:05:37 No.407856115 Report

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>>407855974
Because they don't have to destroy satalites very often. Plus I'm pretty sure they already had ASMs along with Russia and China.

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Anonymous ID:lX2bwkYu Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:07:42 No.407856424 Report

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Anonymous ID:5dunVDNZ Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:09:09 No.407856645 Report

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>>407853407

I took great interest (as a hobby) in Corona years ago. What it was, what it achieved put it so far ahead of the standard technology curve.

Have just upped this:

http://www.mediafire.com/?zt3v2bcdsu54j7n

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Anonymous ID:lX2bwkYu Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:09:18 No.407856670 Report

Quoted By: >>407856879 >>407857340

>>407856424

My bad. I believe those were made before the Cold War

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:10:41 No.407856879 Report

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>>407855974
End of the Cold War and the fact that any of our AEGIS destroyers and cruisers (Areligh Burke and Ticonderoga classes) can fire off SM-3 missiles that can easily dispatch a satellite.

It is pretty clever though. Any given F-15 could be a satellite killer and you can't monitor all US-controlled airspace to ensure that your space assets don't get hit. These things would come from "nowhere" to fuck up your space infrastructure.

>>407856120
Amazing. I've been on something of a Project Orion and NERVA kick for the last year now.

My thesis is practically set in stone to be either about Project Orion (improvements on it) or NERVA.

My greatest dream is to see Orion re-born.

Failing that, I hope Space-X's interest in nuclear thermal rockets turns into a concrete program.

Doesn't every kid dream of being a steely-eyed missile man?
>>407856670
Nope, the B-52 was a Cold War design through-and-through.

It's an amazing plane considering its long service life and surprising flexibility. The USAF intends to keep the things into the 2040's. There could well be pilots whose GREAT GRANDFATHERS flew the B-52.

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Anonymous ID:rpgH9i2w Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:13:42 No.407857340 Report

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>>407856670
nah, ur good

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Anonymous ID:HdhXqhvG Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:15:55 No.407857714 Report

Quoted By: >>407858005 >>407859273

Hey OP if youre still here, the only thing you got 'cheated out of' was global thermonuclear devastation. You're such a cold war buff, you should give this movie a look, heres a tpb torrent link: http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6378883/Threads-1984-BBC_Nuclear_War_Documentary

You sit here glorifying this abhorrent shit like the x-ray laser, specifically designed to circumvent mutually assured destruction and actually START THE NUCLEAR CONFLICT. You are the same problem as the assinine generals who want more and more billions to fund 'space fighters' and other ridiculous crap so we can 'defend our upper atmospheric airspace from the soviets', they had a massive war-boner culturally drilled into them, but you just like 'future toys' so you think its 'awesome' that we continued to fund crazy fucking bullshit that brought us closer and closer to one side NEEDING to launch a full-scale nuclear strike because they couldn't keep up with the other's fucking space fighter program.

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Anonymous ID:lX2bwkYu Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:16:05 No.407857740 Report

Quoted By: >>407857929

>>407857340

Guess I should consider myself lucky to be a part of history. I work on these for a living.

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Anonymous ID:rpgH9i2w Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:16:26 No.407857802 Report

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Anonymous ID:lX2bwkYu Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:17:14 No.407857929 Report

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>>407857740

The B-52 that is.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:17:40 No.407858005 Report

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>>407857714

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Anonymous ID:rpgH9i2w Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:18:18 No.407858120 Report

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:19:44 No.407858368 Report

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>>407857802
I love the Crusader's design.

It just looks sexy for some reason. That, and it was the last of the "gunfighters"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HdhXqhvG Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:20:24 No.407858486 Report

Quoted By: >>407859207

>>407858005
>15 year-old detected

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Anonymous ID:rpgH9i2w Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:20:41 No.407858539 Report

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also still being flown, will be for a while.

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Anonymous ID:rpgH9i2w Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:23:45 No.407859020 Report

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still in service also (not by US)

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:24:59 No.407859207 Report

Quoted By: >>407859775

>>407858486
C'mon man, don't ruin our buzz.

Earlier ITT it's been discussed that a lot of this was ultimately dick-measuring and saber-rattling.

It's just that this kind of technology, turned to more peaceful and constructive purposes, would be truly world-changing.

We all acknowledge the fact that it's sad all of this needed the biggest arms race in history to be developed. It's just that we've gotten over it and stopped listening to Nena sing 99 Luftballons.

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Anonymous ID:HdhXqhvG Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:25:23 No.407859273 Report

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>>407857714
>>407857714
>>407857714
bump for an answer from the OP, i IMPLORE you to watch this movie THREADs. I'm positive youll feel differently about ALL this shit once you do.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:28:28 No.407859775 Report

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>>407859273
Is
>>407859207
answer enough for you?

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Anonymous ID:rpgH9i2w Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:29:29 No.407859936 Report

Quoted By: >>407860913

We won the cold war and all we got was this desert full of planes.

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Anonymous ID:HdhXqhvG Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:31:30 No.407860292 Report

Quoted By: >>407860941

>>407859775
THREADS

watch it

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Anonymous ID:8jrwgZlb Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:35:05 No.407860913 Report

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>>407859936

Plus, the Wanta money.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:35:14 No.407860941 Report

Quoted By: >>407861539

>>407860292
It's not like I'm expecting Fallout to happen afterwards or something idiotic.

We all know the effects of nuclear warfare extend well beyond just the blasts and radiation. We all know actual people would lose their lives.

However, you can't tell me that nuclear explosives when turned to peaceful purposes like Project Orion (before it was militarized into a battleship) wouldn't be an amazing thing for all mankind.

The nuclear genie's out of the bottle and it's NEVER going back in. It's best we come to terms with how to responsibly and constructively use our new-found power.

Besides, 10-20 million tops. TOPS. Depending on the breaks...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s7RulkD+ Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:37:40 No.407861342 Report

Quoted By: >>407861993 >>407862053

This stuff is great. I love reading about soviet secrets. I've read some great reports on the lost cosmonauts. Very interesting. I also heard that the soviets constructed an alternate metro system and underground city under the red square.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HdhXqhvG Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:38:48 No.407861539 Report

Quoted By: >>407861993

>>407860941
GENTLEMEN YOU CANT FIGHT IN HERE THIS IS THE WAR ROOM

but 4realz for you to say you 'know' about the fallout and blast radius figures is absolute crap. Reagan 'knew' them too and he watched The Day After. and shit his fucking pants. And that shit is kiddie-gloves as fuck compared to threads. I'm not saying become a granola-eating hippy ot anything. just watch this movie that has been linked to you for free download.

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6378883/Threads-1984-BBC_Nuclear_War_Documentary

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:41:58 No.407861993 Report

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>>407861342
Oh yeah, the secret Moscow Oblast Metro. I'd love to hear the full story someday when it's declassified... if it's declassified.

There's a great book about the early Cosmonauts and Astronauts called Into that Silent Sea. Some of the Soviet cosmonauts were fascinating and colorful characters. I'm particularly fond of Gherman Titov.

>>407861539
My interest in nuclear weapons is, really, limited to space weapons like Project Excalibur and Casaba Howitzer.

Besides, I'm in nuclear engineering for spacecraft propulsion, Thorium-U233 molten salt reactors, and fluidized pebble bed reactors... not making bombs or promoting their use. Well, promoting their use for anything but propelling spacecraft.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rpgH9i2w Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:42:27 No.407862053 Report

Quoted By: >>407862557 >>407864035

>>407861342
have you listened to the intercepted russian transmissions that nasa has? some on youtube i believe. in one you can hear a guy breathing and it just gets fainter and fainter as the russian spacecraft drifted away from earth. of course russia denied it, and conveniently the 2 cosmonaughts were killed in a training jet crash around the same time. no bodies were recoverable.. poor dudes =(

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Anonymous ID:rpgH9i2w Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:44:07 No.407862283 Report

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:45:54 No.407862557 Report

Quoted By: >>407863081 >>407864035

>>407862053
It's a shame that the Soviets valued national pride stunts over the lives of their cosmonauts to the point that they'd accept shoddy engineering/planning.

Those cosmonauts died (if it did indeed happen, which is totally possible) for one of the most noble causes in the history of mankind.

Space is a dangerous place and deaths are to be expected, but it's a shame that lives were thrown away.

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Anonymous ID:cNWbVn70 Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:46:18 No.407862618 Report

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>>407810941
It's...beautiful...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rpgH9i2w Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:49:46 No.407863081 Report

Quoted By: >>407863404

>>407862557
Indeed. US has had many mishaps as well, usually we learn something from them though. But i believe what we have learned as a race is worth the cost. Imagine if there was no shuttle program because it would be too dangerous.

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Anonymous ID:O9M5biIM Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:52:06 No.407863404 Report

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>>407863081
Absolutely.

Well. I'm out. I've nurtured and tried to stay involved with this thread for a LONG ass time now and I need rest for tomorrow. Diving in a quarry to get me some good footage of some fish and old sunken mining equipment.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:s7RulkD+ Sat 23 Jun 2012 11:56:19 No.407864035 Report

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>>407862053
>>407862557
Regardless of whose side they were on, those men truly gave up their lives for a noble cause. I've heard one transmission where a man (or it may have been two) were just sobbing... Until they faded away. Another one, who was Yuri Garagin's best friend was booked to go on a spaceflight which they both knew was hopeless. Yuri actually volunteered to take his place, but the soviets couldn't lose him. The mission was doomed, and the parachutes wouldn't open to save him as he fell back to earth. You can hear the transmissions, he starts telling at the officers on the ground, then I believe he starts crying and asking for his wife. And they actually gave him an open casket funeral.

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Anonymous ID:+Ezw/4JZ Sat 23 Jun 2012 12:01:00 No.407864676 Report

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>>407844086

I'm guessing you've read footfall.

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Anonymous ID:yd4Mxt3D Sat 23 Jun 2012 12:09:42 No.407865901 Report

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It's taken me a while to read this thread and I have enjoyed it. OP you are aware that exoskeletons are almost ready to be used?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIBnJWTrKvI

It might not be very big but it is still cool none the less.

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