Reckon it's about time for another historical fashion thread. Every era is welcome, as is every subject from weaponry to reference images to advice seeking. I specialize in later Victorian and Edwardian gear (mainly western) and medieval harness. Lets get her started.
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These are some modern boots made to look like something early 20th century. If they didn't have the two wrinkles or vamp piece, they could be older still. Regardless, great looking boot with some very sharp stitching.
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you must be new here. take it to /fa/
Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22
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>>5005159 That's a laugh. Historical clothing threads have always been well received here. I'm not too involved with anime, but a good deal of anime takes inspiration from historical fashion, especially 19th century clothing.
Anyhow, here's a good look at a short frock coat evolution. Shows the seams and how differently constructed they were from a modern 'suit coat'.
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You shut your whore mouth and show some respect. Westernfella knows his shit, and you would do well to remember that.
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>>5005175 freakin oops.
I was directing that at
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Another great looking pair of boots. These are dated from the late 1870's. Not how the whole boot is made from two pieces rather than the modern three. Really small detail and not all that important, but it seems to be how the majority of boots were made pre-1900. A much more important detail would be that boots were always square toed, round toed, or medium toed. Never pointed. That came around in the 1950's, and always came off as looking feminine to me.
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The thread I've been waiting for.
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I like this thread. Historical costumes ftw.
Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22
>>5005175 >>5005191 Much appreciated folks. Never spent much time on /fa/, but I wouldn't be surprised to find em' labeling it as some sort of "costume". Gotta disagree with that sentiment. Frankly, late 19th century clothing's not all that different from modern men's suiting, and can very easily be made to the same high quality standards. Hopefully that notion is on a decline with the world's newfound interest in vintage clothing.
>>5005201 I don't have much saved in the way of soft clothing, but if you're interested in armor, weapons, or military gear from this period I can likely do some good.
(On a seperate note, here's a shot of my nearly finished gun rig. Added a nice bone handled knife and scabbard recently. The above belt is a simple cartridge belt with loops for a 12 ga. ammunition. The stamping on it is all done with original 1880's tools.)
Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22
>>5005226 Interesting piece here. Fold up combination pocket gun, knuckle duster, and knife from 1868. Might've been some use for killing a man across a table.
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First widely produced wheel gun ever made (I believe the collier flintlock was technically the first). This one is a Colt Patterson (c. 1836) and was issued to soldiers and the first Texas rangers in the Mexican-American war. The trigger was a mechanism folds down on most models and has no guard, which I'm sure was the cause of quite a few missing peckers and toes in the day. It was eventually improved upon by the colt walker, and colt dragoon.
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Waistcoat of mine. Personal favorite. Made by Magnoli clothiers, excellent tailor. He's currently working on a short frock coat for me as well as a new waistcoat of two. It's hard not to wear one once you get used to all that extra pocket space.
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Interesting waistcoat on Eastwood in Pale Rider. Based on military vests used in the civil war, and buttons all the way up to the neck. Fashion was often to leave the bottom and couple of top buttons undone. My pal is in the process of getting one of these.
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>>5005242 thats fucking ill, where to cop?
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Hey look a WF thread. I guess my sunday is now shot!
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Harrison Ford in Cowboys and Aliens. Not a great movie, but it had some good looking clothing. His waistcoat is particularly nice. Next on I have I figure will be cut like this. It's got some rather shallow points, and has a notched lapel.
Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22
>>5005311 That one's the only one I've ever seen. It might have even been a one off piece. Do some digging around for "The Apache multi purpose revolver"
>>5005319 Well met, Smoker. Looking good, I like where you're taking that clothing. The new hat treating you well? What kind of pocket watch are you sporting?
>>5005321 Image of a nice vest from the 1870's or 80's.
smoker !Umad72YCVU
>>5005338 Ha ha, thanks WF. My only problem with the hat is that I keep running into things because im not used to such a large brim, besides that its a fucking beautiful stetson. And my pocket watch is just cheap little Relic I found in dillards. If only I could find my new wrist watch around here....
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>>5005226 >I don't have much saved in the way of soft clothing, but if you're interested in armor, weapons, or military gear from this period I can likely do some good. Anything.
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WF you should have your own show on the History Channel.
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>>5005376 I call being his unknowledgeable assistant. That would be so cash.
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>>5005354 Well it looks like a good start. And I know how that running into things is. Wide brims will do that, especially if you're already tall and long limbed. Getting into and out of small cars is a living hell. I'll give you a good tip here, you might already know it, but when you set your hat down, always set it upside down, on the crown. It probably ain't as important for you, seeing that you've got a flat brim. But it'll help preserve the hat's shape anyhow.
>>5005363 Well, here's an old image of my early 15th century harness. I've reworked the breastplate, maille skirt, and surcoat since. The surcoat's being made in a proper heraldic pattern, three golden roses over a lion passant on red, to be exact.
>>5005376 Hell, if we can get em' to pay me to sit around and talk about old guns and clothes, I'd be in on it in no time flat.
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Hi, OP. Kind of new here. Whatever. I really like this thread.
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>>5005408 and you could show effeminate men and timid dudes how to dress like a man! Like what not to wear but with testicles! Shiiiiit I would love that.
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OH BOY WesternFella. I've been waiting for you to show up again.
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>>5005442 Men and womens clothing from the eras you named are great too. Especially the lady's stuff. Hard to dress a girl up better looking than that.
Anyhow, I've got a couple of reference images. The 20's and 30's were both periods where a lot of significant changes were happening in men's clothing. By the 30's pants with belt loops were really becoming the norm, the frock coat and morning coat was dead, even for formal events, and ladies clothing had been completely rethought in the 20's (But that's a whole other subject entirely).
Men's wear by these times is really not much different from what men's suiting is today. I think the post I made in the L.A. Noire thread was discussing how a man wearing a suit does not necessarily equal formal. Formal is white tie, and black tie, etc.. Today we just have a very different idea of what formal means. People consider you dressed up if you're wearing any type of collared shirt untucked. Back in the 20's and previously, there was almost a sentiment that if you weren't wearing a waistcoat you were dressed extremely casually.
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>>5005483 I also think a key difference for mens business wear is a transition that happened somewhere in the 1970's. When 3pc suits became "over dressed" for a business meeting or an interview. You go from lavish suit jackets with 4 to even 6 buttons, to now days its 2, with no vest.
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>>5005455 Appreciate the invitation. I essentially live in Texas for about half of the year, so it ain't out of the question. And that's certainly a hell of a thing to own and an interesting piece of family history. How small are they? I always figured Pancho for no more than a size 5 or 6 glove, and those Mexican men are a small people, for sure.
>>5005483 Basically the modern idea and shape of the "suit" was established here, and it really hasn't changed since. In the 20's you'd still have pants with suspender buttons, but belted pants were getting more and more common, too. Club collars were still popular too (Always favored these, myself). They're actually coming back into style, I think. I don't exactly keep up with the trends, but I've seen them in department stores from time to time on more and more shirts. If you want to dress in 20's look clothing, I'd highly suggest getting you a club collared shirt. I'll post a few images I have of men's clothing from the 20's for you.
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>>5005508 Apologies, miss. The name fooled me. If you're still interested in the mens side of things I'd be glad to post a few things for the sake of it. I'd do something on the women's side of things, but I don't figure I know quite enough in the way of terminology.
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>>5005531 Woops, you replied before I could form a better sounding response!
But anything is fine by me, it's all interesting.
Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22
Here's a modern picture fashioned very accurately in 1920's clothing. The suit coat developed into a length that has endured to this day, coming to the upper thigh and was usually three button or double breasted. Waistcoats (or vests) were still popular at this point, and pocket watches were still commonly worn. Trousers were rolled up (Cuffed) and were cut of the same material as the vest and jacket. The whole suit was almost always cut of the same material, unlike how they had been in the late 1800's. In the Victorian era, mixing different fabrics for trousers, waistcoats, and jackets was the norm in casual situations. Of course, at that point, there was quite a lot more variation in clothing and hard, fast, "rules" were not so much applied to clothing as they would be later.
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>>5005569 I didn't see who it was until I opened the picture. I lold.
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>>5005569 Another image of some 1920's men. Full suits in pinstriped material were pretty big. As you can see, both of em' are wearing fedoras. They were more Homburg influenced in the 20's. By the 40's they look more like the more well recognized fedora.
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Fat was considered attractive pre 20th century. True or false?
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>>5005756 False.
Doesn't matter that it showed wealth, being fat is no more attractive today than it was 500 years ago.
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>>5005756 This is actually a myth. Especially in the middle ages. Go check out the effigies of 14 and 15th century knights. All very thin gentlemen. A warrior could not do his job well if he was an overweight oaf. I'm not sure where this myth got started, but there's all kinds of facts out there to refute it.
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>>5005756 Considering women, it would depend on what you consider fat. I'd say chubby was attractive.
I was gonna post an illustrative painting, but I forgot which one I wanted.
Gonna see if I have any mens clothes for
>>5005201 first. My folders are in such a bad state atm.
This is 1633 I think.
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>>5005756 Chubby
It was an indication of wealth, that you had enough food to eat well
Now, crap food is cheap and gym memberships expensive
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>>5006199 Also they liked their women weak and pale and squishy.
And no one wants a wife who can't bear their children.
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Some interesting Renaissance heraldic dress.
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Later men's dress.
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Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22
There are tons of misconceptions about medieval/renaissance life and warfare. I would always double check any statements you read or hear about. Medieval weapons in particular are much finer than is let on by popular opinion. Nothing wrong with eastern weapons either, but I'd go so far as to say they are more effective in a wider range of situations and weigh the same as their counterparts, sometimes less. Here's a 15th century longsword/bastard sword with an English theme that recently came into my possession. It's a type XVIII for those of you familiar with Oakshott.
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>>5006282 But katanas are superior in every way to western swords! They're super sharp and can cut through concrete blocks!
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>>5006343 > implying a European sword from the same period could not to the same. .
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>>5006386 >What is sarcasm? Herp. TK-421
> sarcasm does not very work well on-line
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>>5006407 Wear it with a vest and some slacks.
And wf, you're threads are the best.
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>>5006411 Is that House of Worth? Cant get enough of them.
Wish the Met archive had larger photos like the Kyoto Institute. Their stuff deserves more high-def.
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>>5006386 Honestly though, most european swords aren't that sharp. At least not until the top third of the blade or so. When you're hacking through plate armour, it'll just end up dulling pretty quickly anyway.
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>>5006425 Not sure. That one's in my unsorted folder. I do have a folder full of worth though, hnng.
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>>5006425 Adding some Emile, for good measure, as well.
Its a really a shame that I cant find more of her work.
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>>5006441 >folder of worth BUENO.jpg
Dump ALL of that. I love their early 20th century gowns, too.
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>>5006436 from my knowledge weren't must European swords meant for piercing, trusting, and stabbing to get threw chainmail and plate armor?
And coincidentally the technique for using a Hand and a Half sword is similar to the US Army Bayonet training.
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Delicious textile innovations. Gotta love that paisley.
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>>5006465 Some were. The later ones especially.
They're gorgeous. But still, the blade doesnt need to be super sharp on a stabbing weapon.
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>>5006461 Will do. I did have it all zipped somewhere but I think it might have expired now.
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>>5005204 what time period was the sleepy hollow film set in? (forgive me, haven't watched it in forever) the time period is going to determine what kind of corset or stays you'll need under the dress.
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Semi /cgl/-related pic. "Japonism" was all the rage during this time period. This house jacket is actually embroidered with stylized samurai helmets.
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>>5006481 Excellent! I love this thread.
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>>5006484 From the look of it, it would be something like this.
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>>5006501 yeah, from looking at he torso shape in the image, it looks like anon needs 18c stays or some variant, but didn't want to jump to conclusions since i can't remember what time period it was set in (was it colonial new england?...if so, then 18c stays are spot on)
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WF, Sexpot, and Smoker are my OT3.
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>>5006484 Boy, It has been such a long time since i saw that movie. If I remember correctly, it's was after the Revolutionary War. I think it was 1790's to 1800's
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Kid just rages for a while.
Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22
>>5006465 European swords actually aren't made for going through plate armor at all. Plate armour is effective because blades really just can't get through it at all. TK's on the right track about half swording, and that's the technique you use to seek out the very small gaps in plate armor, rather than trying to pierce of cut through the armor.
Later European swords are more inclined to thrust, like the one of mine I posted up there, but they're actually just about as good at cutting. They tend to be reasonably sharp, too. About as much as a wood chisel, which is all it takes to make a nice clean blow against bare or lightly armored flesh. Honestly, it's not difficult to cut with a dull sword. Most strikes you see in movies and video games are way over charged, as it really doesn't take much effort to cut or thrust with a sword that has good blade geometry. If you over sharpen a sword, it's liable to chip and break on armor, and doesn't give you any advantage at cutting bare flesh over something less sharp.
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>>5007061 Very true. I had more than a few bruises and broken skin when I was in fencing. And that was with a dull point.
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>>5006932 The movie is set in 1799, thus making the costumes inaccurate by about 10-20 years (from what I recall, I haven't watched the movie in a couple of years), unless they were making a point of the town be backwater by everything being out of fashion, but the families were rich and not far from New York, so I think they just thought "hey the 1780s were awesome I don't care that this film is set in 1799."
Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22
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Since we were posting some early 17th century things earlier, here's Captain Alatriste. Someday I aim to 'cosplay' em'. Not really into most clothing from this period, but I love the look of this stuff.
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>>5006525 Someone want to drawfag this?
Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22
I always tend to get off on a tangent posting hats, and I figure this time won't be any different. Anyone else here a hat wearer? What types of hats do you folks favor?
Smoker !C2zBrEcUbg
>>5007251 What do the x's mean? Like my hat is a 3x but I saw on my friends cheap straw cowboy hat was like 30x's. And I've heard that a 5x is even more expensive.
Siliconmage !!Q0aKb/ubkoa
WF, just curious, how do they treat you over at /fa/?
Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22
>>5007264 My hat is an 8X. Honestly, Xs don't really mean anything. They're a sign of beaver pelt quality, but they mark different quality levels depending on the hat maker. You could use them to compare quality within one brand, but not really outside of that. For example, the brand I use claims that their 8X hats are equivalent to many other brands 30X hats, and I believe they also admit to what I was just saying. That particular company only uses excellent beaver, and judging by what I've seen I'd say that estimation is about true.
As for a straw hat being labeled 30X I'm not quite sure. I imagine they're trying to say that this is one of the highest quality straw hats they offer. When it comes down to it, Xs are a good marker for checking the quality of a companies hat in relation to the other ones they offer, but you really have to get into the grit and feel and inspect the nap for yourself to really get a call on it. Any
Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22
>>5007292 Forget about that last any. Don't know what I'd planned on saying there.
>>5007288 You know, I'd be curious to find out almost. I've never really bothered posting over there as many of them seem to have a different sort of standard I don't see eye to eye with. Never can judge a whole group of people by what a few do though, and I'm sure plenty of them are just fine. I like to think what I wear doesn't have a "costumey" feel of any sort, but I've got the feeling that might be thrown out there because a peacoat isn't involved. Feel free to ask em' for me sometime.
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>>5007292 So when it comes to stetsons what rage of quality do they have? I mean, I can obviously see the quality difference between my Stetson and the hats I see other people sporting.
Shit it's late. More questions and comments in the mornin I guess.
Siliconmage !!Q0aKb/ubkoa
>>5007302 See, I went in there and asked them about Victorian clothing once, and they all yelled at me. Given, I don't actually know much about Victorian clothing, but you really know your stuff. Maybe they'd take you seriously.
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>>5007302 I snapped this one a while back when someone was asking what if I wore this kind of stuff every day. I do, and snapped this of what I had on at that moment. I suppose that day I was on the casual side of things. Pictures also blurry. Camera wouldn't cooperate that day.
Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22
>>5007309 Well, there's no telling what provoked that. Might be some snarky attitude they have towards what's interpreted as 'costume' clothing, which it really isn't. It's not like someone insisting on wearing Elizabethan era neck ruffs and dresses around. Late Victorian/Edwardian clothing is really just an altered form of what some people still wear today, and someone who tosses out the idea without seeing what the style has to offer isn't worth worrying about. Personally, I find a lot of what is popular on /fa/ to look a little feminine, for my tastes at least. You won't catch me dead in a peacoat or skinny jeans. To each his own though.
On another note, here's a shot of Coburn in Duck, you sucker, another sergio Leone film. He wore some really great outfits in it, for sure and I particularly liked the one he's wearing here, even though you can't see it well (He's the fella on the left). Very fine fedora he's sporting. I'd very much like snag one eventually.
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>>5007313 You are just pure awesomeness.
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>>5007327 One more shot of James Coburn. Might take a look at his get up in "Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid" in the morning.
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Gonna start posting some dresses again.
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I'll contribute, starting with a little Edwardian beauty.
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>>5007490 Jillybean? Same Jillybean from HBO?
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Anyone want anything in particular? Otherwise I'm just going to dump my worth folder.
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>>5007515 I have this huge love for early regency, so... I guess this is a request?
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>>5007530 That chick in front's outfit is pretty stylish.
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>>5007508 I just found my dream wedding gown.
*saves*
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>>5007532 I mainly have later regency but I'll see what I have.
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Any royalty/nobility is good stuff.
knochensack !!OcLhD8TR4eB
Quality thread.
>>5005483 Oh Leyendecker, how I love your angular strokes.
>>5005198 There's been instances of pointed toecaps and pointed boots all over the 20s-40s
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>>5007587 >>5005198 But you're right about the seams. The side seams went to the back with the number of pieces staying the same. At least for most European boots. Heel reinforcements differ from country to country though.
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>>5007588 Medieval period, early, late, anything.
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>>5007614 Oooh, I'm gonna go medieval.
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>>5007618 Very late Medieval. Well, depending on who you ask. Love this style of dress though.
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>>5007587 When I say pointed toe, I don't mean mildly pointed. I mean the cockroach killer types like the ones in the picture. Toe boxes have been snipped or narrow toed ever since the late 1910's when Tom Mix was active.
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>>5006425 holy shit, this nearly brings tears to my eyes. ;_;
I study art history, I'd like to have a focus in 19th century photography because I love historical costume so much and it drives me INSANE that nobody figured out how to do photography like 30 years earlier. I want to go back and time and go 'HERE. SILVER PLATED COPPER PLATE. CAMERA OBSCURA. MERCURY VAPOR. HAVE FUN."
1780s-1830s is my favorite era ever ever ever
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Famous picture of gunfighter Luke Short. Very sharp dresser. Particularly like those gloves of his.
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>>5007790 but then I really love the World War I to like 1922 period too.
I mean I love the 1920s in general but the very early 1920s are so underrated.
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knochensack !!OcLhD8TR4eB
>>5007773 Ah, good. I was thinking you were talking about them in general, rather than those overdone atrocities.
But yeah, I hate those too.
I also just remembered that I have about 40gb of books.
If anybody is interested in uniforms/outfits of any era just request and I'll look what I have.
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Can't help but post the Charlie Prince coat again. Made by Magnoli Clothiers.
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>>5007835 Nice collection you've got there. I might be able to think something up...
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Eastern nigga !FLGoOnpyGQ
Yall niggas is extra dumb wearing these white boy ass granpa bull shit. Ppl dont fuck with them tall pants no more for a reason bitches. check my picz, its how real ass niggas be dressed.
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>>5005204 hey sleepy hollow anon, if you're still around, check out this person's making of page for that gown.....it's in french, but has lots of info on patterns and fabrics she used
http://ivycosplay.free.fr/cosplays/79KatrinaVanTassel/79katrina_van_tassel.htm Anonymous
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>>5007978 Your clothes are deteriorating society faggot. Do you know what sagging pants symbolizes? It means you're a prison bitch, homo.
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>>5007978 At least our ancestors had clothes.
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Bumping a fantastic thread.
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>>5008731 Just to continue I took an awful picture of some of my accessories.
Here we have 2/3 of my belt buckles, cufflinks with "G" on them, my trusty pocket watch, my beautiful new kennith cole watch that has just a twinge of steampunk to it, my two bolo ties and a GUESS ring with a very rustic feel. Sorry for the quality of the picture. My bad.
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>>5008759 Following up to this with a shot of my own pocket watch. It's a Charles Hubert and has proven to be stout and smoothly running . Recently replaced the chain clip with a nicer gold T-bar.
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>>5008846 Homburg hat I've mentioned a few times. Predecessor to the Fedora. Good looking hat that you don't really see around enough.
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Here's a lady's riding hat. Going to be working on converting one of these into a female gunslinger's hat. As it stands, it wouldn't be at all out of place, but I think it'd be interesting to give it something uniquely western. Probably some sort of hatband...though it'd be a shame to give that unique ribbon up. Need some female guidance on this one. I'll post the results when we get her wrapped up.
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Hi Western Fella, great thread. Could you perhaps educate me on male, Victorian dressing gowns/nightwear?
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>>5009146 Well, in the the earlier half of the century, "night shirts" were popular. Which is the typical long dressing gown looking garment often worn in combination with a sleeping cap. By the late 1800's out west, many men slept in their union suits and similar joined cotton undergarments. By the late 1880's India influenced silk pajamas became popular and some folks still wear these today.
I always favored the union suit myself. They're comfortable, they spare you clothes from getting nasty, and they're easy to wash.
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Speaking of this thread, I just watched the new episode of boardwalk empire and it was fucking wonderful.
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>>5009127 Every time you post this hat, I want it.
I went to an antiques store on the weekend, that was equally as dangerous. Beautiful ladies revolver from 1880. And it only would have cost me most of my savings.
I'm going to post some hats now.
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>>5009591 I know, right!? I love it. It'll probably be the next thing I get.
I'd love to wear it as is, but I don't think it's going to be that easy. As usual.
I need this to be a versatile hat, so I'm trying to figure out a way that I can have it all rugged and western one way and turn it into a feminine Victorian hat easily. I'm thinking he's right about the hat band for the gunslinger look, so I'll probably get a lace veil and tie it around the hat for Victorianhat. That way, it'll hang down the back of the hat like that ribbon does, and I can also flip it over the hat and wear it as a veil like for a riding hat or... just because I like the way that looks.
I am excite. c:
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My grandfather volunteers at a small museum in his home town of Plainview Texas. I was talking to the curator and he told me he has rooms full of historical fashions 1920 and way before but he has no place to display them. He wants to take pictures of the clothes set up on mannequins but he doesn't know how to put the clothes on properly to display.
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>>5007790 Oh man, I just got back here. Hoped this thread would stay since yesterday.
I completely agree! Now, museums are like the next best thing. :( It would have been great to see the older clothing on live models- it can tell you so much when your trying to re-create historical dress.
I've just started research on the early 20th century, and I love the silhouettes on the 1900's dresses. (Picture unrelated, but beautiful)
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>>5007835 Are you knoche from /fa/? If so, I havent seen your posts in a while!
That military pdf collection looks pretty impressive. Could you post some of them? Like the Prussian Calvary, or the Brunswick Troops?
Id like to expand my library.
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>>5009469 Flashy sort of rig arranged in a double cross draw for two S & W Model 3 Russians. Has two red roses stitched into each holster and is studded with silver or steel.
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IDK if someone linked this but if you'd like to see period dresses and clothes from various parts of the world, here's an excellent tumblr to browse through.
http://omgthatdress.tumblr.com/ Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22
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>>5010381 Gun rigs are first and foremost of a practical nature, used to carry and store a firearm where you can get at it quickly and easily. Ain't anything wrong with using them for 'fashion' purposes while you're at it though.
Here's another interesting rig. Looks like its been pieced together from a canvas webbing Spanish American or Indian War belt, and a custom Schofield holster.
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>>5007793 Western Fella, if you're still around, where can I get gloves like that? I've always wanted a pair of form-fitting gloves, but I find most leather gloves I run into too bulky and loose; his look like they'd be perfect for precise manual tasks like reloading a revolver or digging for something in a pocket. I'm guessing I might have to get them custom made, but who would I go to for that kind of thing?
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>>5007835 If you have anything WWII-centric, I would love it if you'd share that. I know it's a pretty common a thing, but I still enjoy it regardless. (And/or possibly anything with classy uniforms--ones that stand out more from the others. That would give me inspiration for drawing too. Sorry for the strange request.)
Thanks in advance!
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>>5010992 >>>/rs/osprey &from=ALLThe MAA are the ones you want. Just look for the topic or the number that interests you. Osprey has a list on their site.
I don't have much time so I can't give you a lot of individual links. I'll check back later.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=j6cricxs http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5c7g7mp2 I collect WW2 militaria and uniforms, so that request isn't really strange to me.
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>>5011008 Oh, wow. Thank you kindly!
And, also, I think it's pretty awesome that you collect that.
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>>5011014 >>5011008 You are awesome. Thank you!
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Still going hmm?
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>>5010972 Honestly, I'm working on getting some gloves like that myself. What they are, are unlined leather dress gloves. You could probably locate a few different kinds searching with that criteria. I've found these few pairs on ebay I'm going to try, which are unlined, extra fitted gloves made from kid leather. First link is to a black pairs, and the second ones are brown. Reckon I'll pick both up, black being first. I'll report on em' here as soon as I get them.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-MENS-UNLINED-BLACK-KID-LEATHER-DRESS-GLOVES-size-9-/120783050991?_trksid =p4340.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D5%
26pmod%3D380364194271%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D3083372832488872539#ht_2782wt_1163
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-MENS-UNLINED-BROWN-KID-LEATHER-DRESS-GLOVES-sz-8-5-/120783398218?pt=US_C SA_MWA_Gloves_Mittens&hash=item1c1f40654a#ht_3236wt_1163
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Could I please request more dresses from early 1900's in America? Also, normal male streetwear (so no high class) from that time? I'm having a tough time finding the last one in particular. Sites would be very appreciated as well.
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>>5012017 As far as early 1900's wear for men, are you looking for what a working class laborer might wear? Really, at this time, you'd see average folks and rich folks wearing pretty much the same things. Might see the average joe in a sack suit more often than not. The gentleman in the picture is wearing morning dress circa 1906, and it really looks similar to what had been in fashion since the 1870's, the only minor different being that he's wearing a morning coat instead of a full frock.
Location is also important when you're trying to figure out what folks are wearing, if not quite as big a deal as today. What you might see is that older fashions (like the full frock coat) stick around as casual wear outside of big urban areas a little longer.
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>>5012093 Here's some normal fellas standing around in 1905 or so.
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>>5012102 Another two. Guy on the right is in the golf gear of the day. The one on the left is wearing what looks like a pant belt, which is extremely rare for the day. I found this image dated 1901, but the more I look at it, the more I'd place it more in the late 1910's at the earliest.
As a note, if you're looking to do a lower class sort of city dweller, you'd really end up wearing the same thing as more well to do people, just using cheaper fabric and maybe a worse fit (as if the garment had been bought second hand). In rural areas you'd see some different sort of styles cropping up among laborers (Cowpokes, poorer farmers, hired hands, etc.) around this time that were a hell a lot more casual than what most city people are wearing. They might drop the vest and coat and walk around wearing just a shirt, pants, and suspenders. Doesn't seem too bad to us, but it'd be see like wearing a wife beater around to the prissier folks.
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>>5012017 Not sure whether you meant sites that sell vintage styled clothing, or just places with reference images. If it's the former, say the word and I can load you up with quite a few.
This one's a little later, around 1911. Another average guy in a lounge suit, basically what the sack suit evolved into. You can see it pretty much resembles what we're still wearing today, being longer than a sack suit and likely possessing a rear vent. Another popular, very casual type of hat is the skimmer, which this gent's sporting. They'd be around and worn casually since the 1890's but reached its height of popularity in the early 1900's. They're low crowned, short brimmed, and always made of straw.
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>>5012146 Here's some brogue oxford styled shoes. These had been popular since the late 1800's, but reached their pinnacle in the early 20th century. They can be plain, or brogue like the ones shown. You'd pretty surely catch most men wearing em' in the first quarter of the 20th century.
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For early 1900's lounge or sack suits, I'd recommend going to Magnoli clothiers. There's a few minor details present in vintage suits that he specializes in and the products are custom are fully tailored to the individual. Really, it's about as good as it gets. I'm currently working with him on designing a few late Victorian pieces of clothing with the gunfighter in mind. First up is a short frock coat.
Anyhow, he offer's full suits, tons of different styles of coats, movie reproductions, leather jackets, waistcoats, shoes...you name it. If you've got something in mind and along the lines of traditional clothing that he doesn't offer, I bet he'd be glad to produce it. You folks who are interested in custom Victorian or early 20th century clothing ought to give him a look.
http://www.magnoliclothiers.com/index.php Western Fella !z1EqmnNb22
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>>5012202 Another spread of men's Edwardian day dress.
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Hey!
What were wedding gowns like in western cultures before that one silly English queen wore white in hers? (especially amongst normal people, peasants, etc) I know that back here at home, Finland, they were mainly black as they would act out as the church/Sunday dress for the rest of their lives but uh. I just find this matter very hard to google out since I don't know where to start.
Here's an example of what ladies wore to their own weddings in the 1800's and early 1900's. They usually had a thick veil made out of cotton or flax and a wreath made out of flowers. I'd love to make all this just for pure fun.
You can just give a link if you find an interesting site. I already found this:
thedreamstress.com/2011/04/the-18th-century-wedding-dress-then-and-now/ But they all seem too high class.
I love this thread.
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>>5012364 I seem to remember that blue was a popular colour for wedding dresses, at least in the victorian era. At least in the upper classes.
Problem is that the lower classes were never really well documented.
It was certainly fashionable to wear white from the late 1700s, from what I can tell.
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>>5013290 This one's from 1566- "The Wedding Dance"
Everyone seems to be in their everyday clothes. Albeit their best ones, maybe.
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>>5013311 And another peasant wedding.
The bride seems to be wearing black?
And is the only one with her hair down.
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In the 1860s chemical dyes were introduced, so fuschia and other brightly coloured dresses were very popular.
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>>5013366 That would explain this monstrosity.
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>>5012364 I'm not too knowledgeable about the wedding situation. From what I know, wearing white was popular since Queen Victoria's wedding, but not necessarily the rule it is today. Poor women across the Victorian world simply wore whatever their nicest dress was, and many women just had a particularly fancy dress made.
(On another note, here's an image of the back of a frock coat with all seams visible. Construction is certainly more complicated than a lounge suit.)
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>>5011903 That's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, Western Fella, you make some of the best threads.
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>>5013745 You bet.
Dumping some more images. More great frock coat examples, this one c. 1900, but these types of frock coats had been popular since the 1870's.
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>>5013384 ahahhaha from the thumbnail i though of this.
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Posting some of these dolls that I just adore.
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Do we have any military russian women? I just joined the hobby and I've been trying to find a semi cheap period skirt so badly! Pic related, me and brosoph.
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>>5012093 >>5012102 >>5012122 Thanks!
Makes me wonder though, what did the poor men wear at that time in America? The same but just ripped? I can't immagine that.
>>5012146 Yes, I mean sites that have reference pictures, I am planning on making the costumes myself. A link would be awesome.
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>>5014193 I'm not an expert, but the poor probably would have worn a simpler version, with cheaper fabrics and more worn and repaired in various places.
