Starfire, an alien female from a planet countless light-years from Earth...
Anonymous
I am still crying over Tali's face
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>>45877300 >Implying I wouldnt fap to this Anonymous
I believe they actually explained in it with technobabble about evolutionary lines in Star Trek.
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Tamaranian evolved from cat like creature.
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Starfire was more of an excuse to draw a girl in a bikini rather than an alien.>Humanoid aliens
Anonymous
>TRULY alien >digitrade and 6 breasts >regular functioning third lever arms with fingers and hair ev-
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>>45877300 more likely then you think actually.
Parallel evolution.
Things develop because they make sense. Not everything had a common ancestor with shared traits, sometimes they developed similar shit because that shit was required for it's enviroment. We find a planet similar to ours, shit's probably gonna look eerily famiar across the board.
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As long as he exists, there's no reason why every single other Alien species can't look exactly like humans.
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>>45877352 >DC doesn't even try but, you know, I'm okay with that. Don't they have stuff like higher alien species creating several others? Could explain resemblance here and there. Also DC aliens are pretty diverse in general. They have fucktons of races so similarities are bound to happen.
Anonymous
I'd rather have fuckable aliens than realistic ones.
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>>45877392 Things evolve to adapt to their environment. Was Starfire's planet so similar to ours?
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>>45877414 >Have fun with your "realism" 5 star post
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>>45877392 "similar and familiar" is not the same as "identical model with different paintjob".
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It's perfectly acceptable for aliens in light sci fi like superhero comics to looks like humans.
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>>45877392 >Parallel evolution. Doesn't work that way. Consider the gulf between man and octopi, and even we share an EXTREMELY distant common ancestor. Now think of something that probably doesn't even share basic chemical similarities with man like on octopus does. In order for it to look like us the circumstances guiding it's evolutionary path would have to be absolutely identical to ours up until the point where they'd somehow need blue skin.
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>>45877392 >shit's probably gonna look eerily famliar across the board. yes and no. Not many modern species looks like dinosaurs. People like to think Earth has seen everything already but that's just a conforting way to not try to imagine something else. Evolution works as a global scale, meaning that each species evolution affects the other's species as well. Kind of like why a diplodocus wouldn't feet in a modern ecosystem because the ressources, climate, predators and niche competition isn't the same as it was in its time.
You can apply that to alien world, and in the end, a few similarity may be found, doesn't mean totally different ecosystem can happen.
Anonymous
>earth is the only known planet to sustain life >as far as we know, any other planet able to sustain life would have to have earthlike conditions >the earth gave way to the humans >it's likely that any planet with earthlike conditions would give way to human like creatures
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>>45877300 Shut up, Aaron.
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>>45877352 Most sci-fi universes use one of three excuses:
1. God did it: the universe is designed to facilitate the evolution of sentient humanoids
2. Aliens did it: an ancient humanoid alien race manipulated evolution on many different planets to develop into sentient humanoids
3. Convergent evolution: this is actual science. Organisms living in similar conditions develop similar physiologies. Not likely to produce perfect human lookalikes but it's good enough to explain the existence of other humanoids. Pic related: they look the same but they are not closely related.
I think Star Trek used number two.
Anonymous
How do you know alien can't look humanoid?
Anonymous
>>45877300 There are plenty of aliens out there who do look different, but they don't live on Earth because their lives here would be pretty difficult. Ones like Kryptonians and Tamaranians can fit in with few problems, though, so that's why you see a few more of them popping up here.
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>>45877571 Because that's fucking stupid and illogical.
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>>45877527 >>as far as we know, any other planet able to sustain life would have to have earthlike conditions This is untrue. You can alter tons of the earth parameters and still have it able to sustain life.
Imagine a planet with either more water or less. A bigger one, or a smaller one. A place with more oxygen, or less. Maybe even more/less carbon. Those wouldn't dramatically change the way life exists, but the biology balance would be affected, and with some small differences in the micro level, we could end up with big difference on the macro one.
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>>45877505 If anything they'd probably look like this.
>>45877527 The only reason it seems simple is because you guys have oversimplified it.
>>45877556 Again, similar chemistry, same phylum, too.
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>>45877657 No, saying that you can know how alien evolution works is fucking stupid and illogical
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In DC, Earth is the super-special snowflake planet that is the center of the universe, so it makes sense that most aliens would look humanoid.
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>>45877668 >If anything they'd probably look like this. If they lived in water, then yes. Development of muscles and bones is directly linked to the environment.
Anonymous
>>45877300 >implying your picture isn't also tremendously anthropomorphic >walking upright with four limbs >non-mammalian but has breasts and hair for some reason >wears clothes >implied gender dimorphism why aren't you writing a comic about the adventures of a colony of space jellyfish that reproduce through mitosis, OP?
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>>45877556 This
End thread
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>>45877666 All the changes you suggest are all in the spirit of 'earthlike'.
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>>45877380 Now don't tell me you never asked for this or something.
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Can you imagine if they actually did this and kept the romance with Robin and Starfire a thing?
That shit would be entertaining.
But that design is terrible from every standpoint, OP. She'd just fall over if she tried to walk while standing. To walk she'd have to hunch over to keep her center of balance ahead of her.
Besides that, she'd look silly while flying. It's also logical to assume that a race that has achieved space travel should have the ability to create and manipulate simple tools, and those hands look like the gnarled claws of an old woman with arthritis.
I'm just saying from a design standpoint, it's bad, especially putting in to consideration her powers, that shit would look really silly.
>>45877845 Why are you even here?
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>>45877300 >implying you care >implying you don't just want to see multiboob >implying pic is really alien don't you fucking lie to me
Anonymous
Convergent evolution occurs all of the time. Look at the flying fox of Australia and the bats of the rest of the world. Bats evolved from rodent-like small mammals, while flying foxes are descended from primates, yet in their current forms they exhibit nearly identical physiology.
Anonymous
Aliens actually looking alien? I'm game.
Anonymous
>>45877886 > flying foxes are descended from primates Flying foxes ARE bats, you dumbfuck.
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>>45877778 If they were chitinous they could probably survive on land with tentacles. Keep in mind that thing I posted was a robot. Many scientists believe that if we meet aliens they will actually be the cybernetic descendants of whomever built them.
>>45877896 Still got humanoid bone structure.
Anonymous
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>>45877896 Again, how do you know what aliens look like?
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>>45877886 Thing is, human evolution stopped caring about external factor pretty soon. From australopithecus to us, it's mostly social canon of beauty that mattered.
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>>45878053 How do you? You're acting like it's guaranteed they look like us.
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>>45877600 This. In the GLC, for example, they actually show aliens who are very alien, but they cannot or would not come to Earth, at least not for very long. Superman can pretend to be Clark Kent, though, and if he couldn't, he would probably fuck off into space to go solve space crimes.
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>>45878037 >Many scientists believe If that's all there is to it I might as well trust in what I believe about it. Or someone whose idea I like more.
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>>45877952 Maybe he was trying to compare flying squirrels to Australian sugar gliders, but fucked up.
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Unless the work is an extremely rigid version of hard sci-fi, aliens can pretty much look however the author decides. Even more so in a universe where humans regularly develop physics breaking superpowers.
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>>45878138 You sound like a christian.
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>>45878138 You really don't get it, do you? Scientists don't just believe they're dicks who like telling people that sci-fi isn't real, it's based on extrapolation of facts gathered from observation.
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>>45878203 what did these scientists observe to come up with "the aliens we meet will be cybernetic descendants of their makers". Did they smoke pot and then watch A.I.? And even then they'd be cybernetic constructs or scouting for an alien race, but not "aliens".
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>>45878265 They thought about it for more than 3 seconds to start.
Anonymous
In ST, most races looking humanoid is actually explained.Also could you please stop reading this in my voice, my dear doctor?
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>>45878265 If they come from elsewhere, they are aliens.
And the idea behind it is probably that any group capable of interstellar travel would be using technology not just for travel but to augment their own bodies and eventually they'd develop actual AI and robots as advanced as their own bodies and stuff.
I'm not arguing it, i'm just passing by and saw your question, figuring I'd answer it.
Anonymous
It's also worth noting that there are a only limited number of body-types that could give rise to technological civilization, and humanoid is one of them. For instance, superintelligent dolphins would never develop high technology because, firstly, they live in water and, secondly, they have no appendages for fine manipulation. Good luck wiring a computer with fins, you lazy fucks. Same goes for horses, dogs, fish, trees, insects, birds, and pretty much anything else that isn't a primate. Even octopi, humanity's greatest rival, would never be able to build an internal combustion engine underwater, let alone a computer. At most you are looking at pre-modern octopi, never space faring octopi.
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>>45878081 Nope
there have been huge advancements from the pre homos
larger, different(laid out differently) brains, longer legs, better hands, s shaped spines, even our hair and skin has changed, organ placement etc
i could go on for ages
there is also an argument whether we actually evolved from them, and if so, which one?
there was a good few of them, from robusto to lucy
this is the shit i do in uni( 4th year evolutionary biology/zoology, got offered a phd last week, so awesome)
Anonymous
>>45878350 They would then develop technology that is very alien to us, but that's not to say they couldn't develop it at all.
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>>45878177 and you sound like an asshole.
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>>45878343 I think the vastness of space is the major imperative behind it, much easier to just launch a swarm of self-replicating robots and be done with it then explore every comer of the universe personally.
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>>45878343 >And the idea behind it is probably that any group capable of interstellar travel would be using technology not just for travel but to augment their own bodies and eventually they'd develop actual AI and robots as advanced as their own bodies and stuff. That's what humans would do though. And this idea comes from our own history, the ideas we had, the fiction they inspired or that inspired them and factors such as ethics and religion. Maybe the root of all these speculations is to in the end be confronted by something that works with rules that we can still understand.
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>>45878379 this. "technology", like "life" and "intelligence" is hard to measure outside of humanity when we constantly use ourselves as the measuring-stick and believe we are the highest mark on that stick.
Judge a fish based on its ability to climb a tree, and you will forever think it is stupid.
Anonymous
>>45878369 It's funny how people panic that natural selection no longer applies to man due to the comforts of our society, but the truth is our society only slowed and redirected evolution rather than halting or reversing it. Hazardous machinery and health problems caused by poor lifestyle choices are proof natural selection still exists.
>>45878437 >That's what humans would do though. Because that's the smart thing to do. Anything with a sense of self-preservation would be prudent to send droids out to do scout work before visiting a planet. Get to know the natives, see if they're peaceful or warlike, see if the atmosphere is breathable, etc.
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>>45878310 >They don't need to be aestetically wild and strange, it was never the point of the show there's also the thing with budget and makeup constraints.
it's difficult to turn a human into a very different-looking alien; you're limited by the human form. i can't blame star trek for just slapping green paint on their actors and going on with the story.
video games and comics and high-budget movies and such however have no excuse.
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>So, is there anything I need to know about making love to a Tamaranean?
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Y'know, Superman is actually a good example of how aliens that look exactly like us would still be different on the inside.
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>>45878500 Just to give you an idea, wearing the cardassian make up plus trademark suit in ST made the actor playing Garak fraint on the set a couple of times, he said that shit was a nightmare to wear.
Sure most of the make up doesn't look that impressive, but even simply to pull half that shit off, some of it was extremely taxing on the actors.
I agree on comics and video games tho, they really have no excuse aside the limitations of the authors themselves.
Anonymous
>>45877414 >doesn't find crazy-looking aliens attractive sad life you live.
Anonymous
The universe is so large there is almost certainly an entire race of aliens that is physically identical to OP.
Anonymous
>>45878607 Reminds me of this drawing somewhere of Tali from ME, she has mandibles, weird proportions and a weird-lookin' head, but most of us would still try to put our wiener in her.
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>>45878623 And possibly us as well....too bad they all just died, in the relative scheme of things that is, they probably died millenia ago or millenia after we've all perished.
It's all really a second in the cosmic scheme of things, we just passed them by, oh missed it. Don't worry they'll probably come back around real soon, not that you'll be around to catch it.
Anonymous
>>45878607 I find after a certain points you hit diminishing returns and might as well just be fapping to dogs, and not anthro dogs, dog dogs.
Anonymous
On the subject of unusual alien biology, does anyone here remember a certain book that dealt with this subject matter? I remember it being about humans getting attacked by a alien species and then reduced into genetic building blocks, all which ends in a climatic battle between genetically engineered space humans and a genocidal army of robots.
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>>45878689 Pretty depressing. I'll never get to stick it in some exotically colored beauty from a different planet. Guess I'll aim lower and go for asians.
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>>45878744 It was called All Tomorrows, and it pretty much became my source of inspiration when it came to thinking up truly "alien" designs.
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>>45878754 Something is so weird about them, I think their women are gorgeous most the time but I always feel like there's this disconnect. Like for a second my mind doesn't quite process them as humans, somethings so alien about them.
Though I've probably done that with all races and am only preoccupied on Asians at the moment.
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>>45878754 You know, sometimes I wish I did a little more with my life instead of hangin' out in front of places sellin' weed 'n shit. Like, maybe be an animal doctor. Why not me? I like seals 'n shit. Or maybe an astronaut. Yeah... I'd be the first motherfucker to see a new galaxy, or find a new alien life form... and fuck it. And people'd be, like, "There he goes; homeboy fucked a Martian once."
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>>45878500 >video games and comics and high-budget movies and such however have no excuse. I'll give you video games, but realistic CG costs a fuck ton of money, which is why they'd rather slap a costume or some makeup on a person than have to lose money that could be used elsewhere.
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>>45878734 i don't agree. anthro dogs for example seem more gross to fap than some space horror because a real-life equivalent exists for them. a sapient alien lifeform created purely from one's imagination does not.
Anonymous
this thread reminds me of when I first saw animu-mango characters, I immediately thought of pic related
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>>45877300 First of all, Starfire's race is supposed to be cat-people. You should have made her more cat-like, rather than those alien worms from Men in Black.
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>>45878754 >I'll never get to stick it in some exotically colored beauty from a different planet. Well actually, descendants of human colonists on foreign planets could probably evolve into that. So if Baseline humans develop FTL travel and meet their weird cousin species, your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandson could probably fulfill you quest someday.
>>45878882 I wish there were pics of greys with T n' A.
Anonymous
You know why there aren't more alien aliens?
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>>45878906 This, doesn't mesh too well with a deadline-driven industry.
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>>45878873 My point is sort of I need a tether to humanity for attraction.
As weird as I get, I don't want to lose connection completely I'm still attracted to people.
>>45878906 It's a pretty lazy cop out but I agree to an extent, it's hard to get out of humanity, let alone get out of the entire known spectrum of existent species. Even if you try to throw something together randomly you'll either end up with something similar to something that exists or random mess of bullshit that feels like a random mess of bullshit rather than an alien being.
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>>45878903 Those female aliens from Carmino in Star Wars
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>>45878906 I don't think it's necessary to create the most original and alien species you can. Just aim for something higher than space babe.
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>>45878806 Yeah, some of the alien designs were great. Though it seemed to be a play of irony that the Human Spacers ended up looking like that Qu at the end.
Anonymous
>>45879028 DC has plenty of those though, they just aren't relateable enough to be popular.
Anonymous
>>45877505 Some things still look like dinosaurs!
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>>45879161 Pretty much this.
People WANT space babes, with maybe a couple 'what the fuck is that' in the background.
Anonymous
>>45879161 >they just aren't relateable enough to be popular. humans are so racist.
Anonymous
>>45879265 species. not race.
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>>45877779 >gender dimorphism >not sexual dimorphism It's okay, you can distinguish between sex and gender, anon. This isn't tumblr. No one's gonna tear your throat out.
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>>45879214 Oh god that bird just raped me with it periphery vision. Why aren't those things all dead? Are they a lost species or some shit because if I was a group of unenlightened people my first decision upon finding those birds would be to find them all and kill them, kill them dead so those winged demons couldn't roam our skies.
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>>45879322 that wouldn't even be correct on tumblr.
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>>45879351 Requesting the frost dragon comic.
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>>45879324 You could not even hope to defeat them all.
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>>45879324 Simmer down, its a goddamn vulture.
Its not like its gonna kill and eat your or something.
It can be easily appeased with sacrifices. Anonymous
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The GL corps has some odd ones.
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The explanation in the DC universe is that the bipedal human shape is the generic shape that works since most life would require the same factors to come about, the end results would be fairly similar
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>>45877480 Yeah, except octopi aren't building anything.
why?
no hands. live underwater. They can't build the tools, and means of communication to build a society.
A society that would be needed to build spacecraft.
no really. If we find intelligent space traveling aliens. Very likely eerily similar.
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>>45879383 tumblr's not interested in being correct, only in being offended
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>>45879489 This one thinks you're an anthropocentric bag of dicks.
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Aliens won't look all to different than what we have here on earth, as there are only so many different variables that effect evolution.
Anonymous
>>45877300 We need some wiggly tentacle monsters in more comics.
Anonymous
>>45879571 even mass effect only focused on the space babes and humanoid races. there were a handful of times you could talk to the hanar or volus.
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>>45879324 >that bird just raped me Unfortunately not something I am ever going to say
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>>45879799 >talk to the hanar or volus. oh and the elcor, but they were present so little i forgot they existed.
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>>45879489 They don't build anything because they don't need to... yet
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>>45877399 I seem to remember an explanation in Doctor Who involved one of the original Time Lords (his name escapes me at the moment) committing genocide on a whole lot of species, to the point that roughly humanoid lifeforms were the norm. Basically exterminated all the other stuff.
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honestly for a sentient critter to get real tech the only signifigant requirements are mobility, comunicaiton, and manipulation. Mobility to gather the shit you need, and is available in many many forms. Comunication cus otherwise what you do is lost, it needs to be able to be stored and built on by future generations. Manipulation esentialy means hands, or something that can do the job. very precise tenticles could do it (kinda like an elephant trunk) but more handlike would likely be better, and having at least two would be a major boon, though more the merrier I would think. Well within certain practical limits, too many and it could start to get in the way of themselves.
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>>45877556 Huh, I just remembered: wasn't there a Sandman story with a young Sol asking a female Oan if, when his planets begin to have life, he can make a species that looks like her?
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>>45879799 The implication in ME was that upright vertebrate bipedalism with digits for tool-manipulation is the evolutionary fast-track to the development of space-travel. That's why all the Council species are upright bipeds.
I like my blue space babes.
The funny thing about ME is that the alien species are all clear foils of human traits. Due to this, humanity isn't even needed in the series, but is included anyway, because the average person wouldn't accept or be able to identify with a non-human protagonist.
Lizerd
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>>45880122 >galactic society sci-fi without humans You might be onto something there.
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>>45880122 That would only be relevant if all the species started evolving at the same time, is that the case?
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>>45879646 And they must not be immediate villains/monsters, for the sake of avoiding cliches.
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>>45880122 >the average person wouldn't accept or be able to identify with a non-human protagonist. Specifically in ME or in videogames in general?
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>>45880132 Only if I can touch dem rainbow wings.
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>>45880122 that in-game explanation has nothing to do with what i said; i'm not referring to the amount of humanoid vs. non-humanoid aliens.
my point is they created non-humanoid aliens but refused to focus any attention on them. they're just there for jokes, even though they're far more interesting culturally.
Anonymous
Non-humanoids invariably end up being a mishmash of terrestrial species.
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>>45880264 In ME, yes. It's guaranteed by the ways the Reaper cycles work.
>>45880314 In anything that doesn't take itself too seriously. Humanity Fuck Yeah is a common and unfortunately narcissistic trait in sci-fi.
>>45880396 They have less depth placed on them because the in-game explanation doesn't apply to them. Also, engine limitations. Bioware is notoriously lazy with character models and animations. All the fleeing civilians on Earth are actually scaled-down low-res Jacks.
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>>45880429 that's just bad design.
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>>45880396 It was most likely due to the fact that Bioware couldn't be arsed to make another skeleton to work in extensive cut scenes.
It wasn't the only thing lazy about Mass Effect.
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>>45880429 yeah no way I'm not having nightmares tonight.
Lizerd
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>>45880456 >Reaper cycles Oh, right. That was actually a pretty cool concept.
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>>45880473 >being scared of andalites They're just here to take your chocolate, anon.
Morrigan Aensland !Qm0NVqAXbI
>>45880510 Are Andalites hung like horses?
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>>45880456 >Humanity Fuck Yeah is a common and unfortunately narcissistic trait in sci-fi. I actually don't have a problem with HUMANITY FUCK YEAH so long as it's done with at least some subtlety and sense (Mass Effect did not do this).
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>my comics about guys dressing up in tights and saving the world using magic or some other ridiculous method aren't realistic enough
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>>45880122 >was that upright vertebrate bipedalism with digits for tool-manipulation is the evolutionary fast-track to the development of space-travel weren't those cameleon like guys uplifted from their dying planet by the hanar?
Like, they were literally dying because they failed to develop space travel, but the hanar did and they rescued some of them?
Anonymous
>>45880510 where's its mouth
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Lizerd
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>>45880569 In between their hooves.
Anonymous
>>45880527 Y'know, I actually always wondered about that. Could the others like, see his junk and stuff?
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>>45880548 >Like, they were literally dying because they failed to develop space travel, but the hanar did and they rescued some of them? IIRC, they didn't develop space travel because they had no eezo and/or were in a shitty political situation since their planet was being polluted.
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>>45880569 They absorb stuff through their hooves.
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>>45880548 They were dying because their planet was a desert planet. It had scarce resources for life to evolve there in the first place. Then they went to war, and as Thane quoting Hobbes tells, "When all the world is overcharged with inhabitants, then the last remedy of all is war, which provideth for every man, by victory or death." They turned their world into its own version of Tuchanka, except their world was a barren wasteland to begin with.
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i find more weird that fiction rarely go into making weirder sex/gender thing, like, basically every fiction species either just like humans (male, female) or asexual.
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>>45880594 Sheaths probably, like lizards.
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>>45880672 >i have been working on a 5 sexes/genders species, but i still need to work out the kinks. I'm sure tumblr is trying something similiar.
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>>45880594 The few porn ins't answering much.
Seriously, 6 inches, 12 inches, the standard 8?
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>>45880672 >i find more weird that fiction rarely go into making weirder sex/gender thing, like, basically every fiction species either just like humans (male, female) or asexual. Because there's no evolutionary advantage to having 5 genders. It makes everything ridiculously complicated, because you have to get 4 other mates before you can produce offspring and that makes the population much less sustainable because killing off one member of a breeding circle can fuck everything up.
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>>45880672 Your own post should have told you the reason. It's a lot more complicated, and likely doesn't have a good enough payoff to warrant it's use, except as a hard scifi curiosity. For a non-intellectual(plot is more important than scientific stuff) fiction, it'll cause more problems than what the benefits are, in most cases. As usual, exceptions apply.
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>>45880672 >asari are parthenogenetic and genderless because they have one sex >their genderlessness should result in an infinite number of expressions of the self >the writers/designers mix this with the alien space babes trope Bioware was so close to making something cool.
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>>45880672 >asexual I think there need to be more
hermaphroditic species that reproduce
sexually. Makes more sense than purely asexual reproduction.
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>>45880672 The alien race in Player of Games (by Iain M. Banks) had three sexes.
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>>45880751 >there's no evolutionary advantage to having 5 genders There is though, I think there might even be terrestrial species with more than 2 genders. If there were no benefit to multiple partners, we'd all be asexual.
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>>45880720 The tumblr social movement among those aliens must be a mess.
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>>45880802 Oh, and
>this potential uniqueness is also harmed by the All Aliens Have One Culture trope Anonymous
>>45880829 >There is though, I think there might even be terrestrial species with more than 2 genders. If there were no benefit to multiple partners, we'd all be asexual. Multiple partners =/= multiple genders
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>>45880844 >All Aliens Have One Culture I don't think there's been one universe that hasn't done this. At best you'll get two factions with opposing views.
Just too complicated to think up a bunch of new cultures for an alien race.
Anonymous
>>45880829 are you trying to argue against evolution?
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>>45880751 >>45880764 well, the thing is i might not be using the correct term to assign it, what i got so far is that reproduction is acchieved by various possible combos between these sexes rather than requiring them all at once.
For example, you got standard male (passes down genetic data thru genitals) and female (recieves genetic data and bears children), but then there is one that can recieve data (from one and/or multiple individuals) and then pass that data to a female, one that cant do anything and only can produce offsprings by proxy with the previous one and the last one just kinda generates its own offspring on its own (culturally, the offspring is threated as if it was the same person).
so basically these sexual identities are assigned depending on the capability of passing genetic info, recieving and bearing, or none of them.
this would create more dynamic relationships, i think.
but im a shitty writer to be honest.
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>>45880881 In this case it is.
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>>45880751 Not all 5 genders are needed in reproduction. Suppose there's 5 genders which are: male, female, herm, worker and fission. Only males or females are needed to reproduce, perhaps a herm as well, but the other two genders are essentially neuters that benefit the species as a whole, giving it an evolutionary advantage over other species as it's not as individualistic. Suppose that each breeding births one of each. The male and female roles are self-explanatory, they give heighten genetic diversity. The herm can act as either if the situation calls for it or can give birth by itself if needed(can also achieve a slightly more diverse gene than fission, since it can double resessive genes). The worker has no sexual function, but instead exists as an extremely efficient gatherer or warrior or whatever you need, since it doesn't sacrifice any of it's functions with sexual organs. The fission creature is needed if there's a need for an instantaneous reproduction of a single genotype. Suppose something wipes out a great amount of things and will continue to wipe them out, except those with the needed traits. A fission-gender with these traits could replicate itself so many more survive, and due to numbers and time, will change with mutations, but still ensure the species as a whole survives, it's a safety measure for extreme situations.
Of course it has it's own downsides.
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>>45880961 How did you infer that?
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>>45879511 It's a shame penny arcade is sell out shit now.
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>>45877300 Agreeed.
but yur pic is still nto alien enough.
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>>45880972 >>45880964 holy shit, you understood my idea while i was actually typing the explanation.
are you a wizard?
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>>45880998 -there is no evolutionairy advantage of having 5 genders (there are only two after all. after millions of years)
-yes there is
How can you argue against something that... is.
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>>45881085 Just because something doesn't exist, doesn't mean there isn't an advantage to it, especially in a hypothetical alien environment. Secondly, it does exist, right here on earth.
>the highest number of distinct male and female morphs or "genders" within a species is found in the side-blotched lizard, which has five altogether: orange-throated males, who are "ultra-dominant, high testosterone" controllers of multiple females; blue-throated males, who are less aggressive and guard only one female; yellow-throated males, who do not defend territories at all but cluster around the territories of orange males; orange-throated females, who lay many small eggs and are very territorial; and yellow-throated females, who lay fewer, larger eggs and are more tolerant of each other Anonymous
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>>45880972 Okay, that sounds fucking cool.
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>>45880922 Cultural singularity is one thing. If it's evident that an alien species has one culture because of singularity, that's better than an alien species inexplicably having one culture.
Morrigan Aensland !Qm0NVqAXbI
>>45880972 >>45881152 But could I fuck all 5? That's the real litmus test.
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>>45881053 I wish I were.
>>45881085 Given that Earth is the only place we know evolution has happened on, you are empirically right, but theoretically it is trivial to come up with situations where 5 genders(or rather sexes) would be useful, since you can artificially come up with any situation that supports your theory(like those darn mathematicians do).
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>>45881184 >because of singularity does that even work in the ME universe? considering how many different planets are colonized and how isolated some of them are you would think new cultures would arise just from that.
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>>45881286 That depends what sort of organ do you have? A splegadunt? A penis? A vagina? The all-cock?
Anonymous
>>45881152 This is an example of two genders with sub-categories. The ultra-dominant male would guarantee strong offspring, but the "beta" male would still be able to produce offspring to keep the species alive. There would be little sense for a species to produce offspring that would not be able to reproduce. Even if you had males or females that were able to produce more or better offspring, you would not end up with a non-gender offspring. A male or female can still function as workforce and produce offspring. It's a clear advantage.
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>>45881286 Not worker and fission. Neither have genitals.
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>>45880922 I think the argument in favor of All Aliens Have One Culture is a pretty strong one. It's only with that kind of uniform homogenization that species can put that petty bullshit aside and focus on cool things like space travel. Otherwise they stagnate for generations due to the nonstop infighting.
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>>45881364 >Neither have genitals. do they have a mouth?
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>>45881323 Volus and quarians used to be the same species, didn't they? they have different cultures now. so there is that.
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>>45881364 ....do they have a mouth, or hands with fingers?
Do you have an art of them?
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>>45881398 >Volus and quarians used to be the same species, didn't they? No.
Not at all.
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>>45881398 >Volus and quarians used to be the same species, didn't they? what? no.
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>>45881323 ME is pretty casual in it's scifi elements. They use only that which needs to be there plotwise, which is understandable.(although they could put more effort in the codex stuff regarding things like this)
>>45880922 It's not really about being complicated in my opinion, but having little payoff. If you choose to put aliens in your fiction, why would you choose to make a different culture of the same alien instead of a totally new and weird alien species? Well, I understand why, it'd make the setting feel a lot more tangible and cool(also less humanocentric), but from a storytelling perspective, it has little function.
Anonymous
>>45881398 >both wear concealing suits >must be the same That is the most racist thing i have ever read on 4chan
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>>45881385 But divergent evolution and cultures is a real possibility.
>>45881398 >>45881418 >>45881435 It's not that much a stretch to believe that some alien species could diverge into short angry Irish Jews and tall wide-hipped Russian Gypsies.
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>>45880922 Theoretically you could do it in Warhammer 40k - nothing stops you from making your army be fraction this and this and be different in that and that way.
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>>45881418 >>45881435 >>45881461 my bad, for some reason i was misremembering something about quarians being the guys who decided to live in spaceships, while volus settled on a different planet when the geth kicked them out of their home world.
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>>45880802 >Bioware was so close to making something cool. Not really.
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>>45881437 >ME is pretty casual in it's scifi elements. They use only that which needs to be there plotwise, which is understandable.(although they could put more effort in the codex stuff regarding things like this) it's actually better than a lot of other soft sci-fi. take the normandy, for instance. most sci-fi would say a stealth ship is a spaceship that turns invisible, ME went with the more accurate route of having a spaceship that is very efficient at masking it's heat signature.
it's not hard sci-fi but it makes a better effort to justify itself than most video games (or comics, for that matter).
Anonymous
>>45881343 Functionally ant queens are different from workers despite being biologically the same. You could make the case that they are separate sexes. I believe the eating of the royal jelly is what triggers the massive physical change. But since only one at a time does so in a single colony, it is correct to say that there are more than 2 sexes, since that is what it amounts to in practice.
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>>45881497 >some alien species could diverge into short angry Irish Jews and tall wide-hipped Russian Gypsies. anon no. their only similarity is the suits, and they don't even wear them for the same reason. volus wear them because they evolved in a high-pressure environment; the pressure most planets have (and the one we're used to) would tear them in two. quarians wear them because MAH IMMUNE SYSTEM.
makes more sense for humans, asari, and quarians to be related.
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>>45881497 >>45881509 One is a race that kicked off their home world to live on ships, the ships made everything so sterile that after a few generations they had no immune system so they have to wear clean suits 24/7
The other is an ammonia based life form
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>>45881570 Wouldn't that be male, female and potential-female?
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>>45881606 >was kicked off their home world and had Jesus fuck
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>>45881604 >makes more sense for humans, asari, and quarians to be related. Didn't Javik say that Protheans back in the day liked to fuck Quarians and gene-modded Asari and humans to look like them?
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>>45880122 >the average person wouldn't accept or be able to identify with a non-human protagonist. Sonic isn't human yet he's a portagonist
Rayman isn't human, yet he's a portagonist
Spyro isn't human yet he's a protagonist.
Link isn't human yet he's a protagonist.
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>>45881569 >it's not hard sci-fi but it makes a better effort to justify itself than most video games (or comics, for that matter). Well, I should think that almost any scifi work has things that work on the principle of modern physics and things that are totally absurd. You have biotics in mass effect for example. Justifying itself on modern scientific knowledge doesn't make something better, being consistent with itself is what makes something better.(though technically being realistic is the same as being consistent)
>>45881385 I think the argument in favor of All Aliens Have One Culture is a pretty strong one. It's only with that kind of uniform homogenization that species can put that petty bullshit aside and focus on cool things like space travel. Otherwise they stagnate for generations due to the nonstop infighting.
You could always have the other cultures form after space travel is invented. A big civil war, or regular war, or space disaster or a billion other things could limit communication between them and thus cultures would form. Besides, suppose you have your Cold War nations and they invent space travel. They'd be pretty different despite being at odds with each other, and they did focus on space travel. The world today is a lot more homogenous than during the Cold War, but progress in space stuff has slowed down considerably.
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>>45881672 no. that's just your fanfiction. the only ones they gene-modified were the asari because they were supposed to be the master race who would eventually defeat the reapers.
they only observed humans when they were already in cave-man form.
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>>45881672 >asari technically speaking, every fucking living being in the universe could be related to asaris.
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>>45881703 they are the "humans" of their respective media
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>>45881703 Link looks human though.
Also, answer, could I be intimate with the 5 genders all at once?
Anonymous
>>45881703 All are humanlike in their behaviour. It's not the physical different that's hard to identify with, but the psychological one.
>>45881611 Not really, since in biology everything has the potential to be everything, if you want to nitpick. What matters is how they are in practice. You can turn a human male into a female if you "feed" it different chemicals when it's in the womb. So it has the potential to be a female(and indeed some with certain disorders are genetically male but physically female). But that's not how it is most of the time.
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>>45881754 no, workers and fissons wouldnt have a sex drive and so you would have to rape them.
Morrigan Aensland !Qm0NVqAXbI
>>45881849 Well could I bring one to the bedroom and start kissing all over them? Like would they still have emotional needs?
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>>45881672 No, that's fanfiction that bled into the ME fanbase. Also, since the protheans were retconned to be a single multi-species empire for ME3, Javik may not even be the species that first called itself prothean.
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>>45881830 >Not really, since in biology everything has the potential to be everything You mean everything has the potential to be either male or female. Or a herm.
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>>45881849 >implying the only reason to have sex is to relieve sexual desire what about just plain curiosity, anon?
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>>45881869 no, they would be more like a biological tool
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I remember reading an article about a physicist or biologist making a theory saying it's more likely if we encountered extraterrestrial lifeform that it would look more human like than some bizarre alien life form we see in sci-fi.
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>>45881906 they wouldnt be curious, they wouldnt be like males and females their ants and desires would be to keep the civilization up and running at maximum capacity
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>>45881740 They genetically modified the asari to be universally biotic. A portion of their species was already biotic due to living on eezo-rich Thessia. That and the asari having such long lifespans caught the protheans' eye(s).
Technically, if the asari don't experience senescence, which they don't, they should have limitless lifespans unless killed. This is just a casualty of Bioware Science, though, like DNA bases for quarians and turians being different than for humans and asari.
Morrigan Aensland !Qm0NVqAXbI
>>45881975 But what if I had one and just wanted to feel comforted and needed? Like i come home from the Grand Maledonian Semen mines all tired and exhausted, and there's a worker fixing up my house and I ordered... it into the bedroom and he'd have to lie down with me while I snuggled with it?
Are they a servant race or something?
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>>45882075 I'd imagine it's like snuggling with a blow-up doll. Not quite the real deal.
Anonymous
>>45882075 1st off you wouldnt be working the mines they would
2nt it probably would snuggle with you if it thought it was going to keep you a sane breeder
3rd it would depend on inteligence if they were dumb then yeah if not then no they would do what their job was or what they felt was best
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What if they look like humans but they have alienlike mating rituals?
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My only fear is that the aliens won't want to have sex with us. What if they are asexual? What if they have no concept of emotion? What if they don't perceive sound at all and they won't be able to hear the safe word?
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>>45880972 > workers are just as sentient as eveyone else is > sees everyone reproducing > wants in on it > cannot have > attempts in to SCIENCE to give themselves a gender or the ability to have sex > all those interactions from supporting characters of "SCIENCE IS GO TOO FAR" to "this is my fetish also" to "FOR SCIENCE!" > the plot, that story, those feels even with funding this will never happen because ESRB would rate it AO/X or M at minimum and no one would buy it, and therefore not profitable. also probably fly over the heads of the more puritanical countries and not to mention shit all over by the assholes of the internet.
Anonymous
partially in response to an earlier post, where do you think is the cutoff point - where something exotic becomes truly alien and unable to be attractive to humans?
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>>45882242 Well what if option 2 and it triggered something hyper evolutionary into it and it grew a sex organ? Cause I get like it wouldn't be like that time with that really hot Latino, I think, roofer where we both wanted it
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>>45882393 > ESRB sorry i though i was on /v/ for a moment and got over-excited that this could be an interactive medium instead of a /co/mic
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>>45882417 >unable to be attractive to humans? nothing. there is literally no point. maybe for you or me personally, but not for humanity as a whole.
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>>45882417 >Would it be something specific, or a combination of traits? Probably a combination of traits or general appearance really. Take the Horta from Star Trek. No one wants to fuck it or make Rule 34 of it, because it's a fucking blob.
Morrigan Aensland !Qm0NVqAXbI
>>45882417 Who has that cap where the guy talked about fucking the stars?
I've learned that humans will stick it in anything, or stick anything inside them. A venus flytrap? Someone somewhere has stuck their dick in one. The hilt of a sword? Some chick has got off on it.
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>>45879214 Where can I buy one of these to keep as a pet? I'd call it Gary.
Oh, you're selling vacuums? Hang on, let me get Gary, he handles these things.
Anonymous
>>45882417 >teeny tiny completely flat tail slit in those pants HOW DO THEY MANAGE TO GET IT SO CONSISTENTLY WRONG
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>>45882481 >No one wants to fuck it there's someone out there who does, i'm sure.
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Even non humanoid Starfire dresses like a slut.
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this sounds like the kind of thread for Animorphs aliens
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>>45882417 That is why no mater what when we hit the stars we will become cosmic cockroaches, if we CAN breed with it we WILL if for no other reason than "yeah dude i totally fucked all 12 of its eyes"
Anonymous
>>45877300 They explained it before.
The answer boils down to all human-like races being descended from the same ancestral race which spread around the cosmos to make the greatest empire known to the universe.
Then shit hit the fan, several times, a massive war that blew up ecosystems, sent back entire civilizations back to the stone age and left them all trapped and isolated from one another on different planets.
Many planets died, but the few that survived adapted and underwent several small changes in their physiology, gaining super powers as it was needed.
A planet filled with predators ended with a stronger-than-usual race of humans. Irradiated planets ended with weird-looking humans. Others became smarter, their brains grew and became psychics.
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>>45882533 >Who has that cap where the guy talked about fucking the stars? Anonymous
>>45882533 >The hilt of a sword? Some chick has got off on it. >chick >implying a woman would be allowed a sword >implying knights of yore did not practice sword-pegging while raping village-women all week Anonymous
in all fairness, a great deal of aliens in contemporary media are humanoid solely for the purpose of relatability, ergo the media can use body language and facial expressions that humans can understand. For something truly alien, you do away with any identifiable human traits. But part of a "friendly species" is the fact that they have something in common with us, be it socially, physically or both
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>>45882688 So DC has abandoned evolution for creationism? Figures, they have God in the comics after all.
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>>45882417 in all fairness, a hole in the back of your pants for a tail, specifically a furry one, would need to be larger. In the distant future of the next couple of decades when we get kids getting functional surgical grafts and such, this problem will become apparent
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>>45878400 Christians, folks
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>>45882856 Why is Hermoine in a vat of semen with weird hair?
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>>45882533 >women >enjoying sex Anonymous
>>45877300 >>Aliens in fiction need to stop looking so much like humans. >posts alien with tits Really, bro? Every alien is a mammal?
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>>45882931 You bet your sweet, fucking faggoty ass they are.
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>>45882744 i remember seeing a behind the scenes of the first men in black movie, the creature designer had these amazing completely alien concepts and he was constantly told to tone it down so they could put gestures and expressions on the creatures.
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what makes things alien are the traits that separate them from a human. Something created from the basis of a Earth based being is still less alien than we might think
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>>45882931 >alien with tits Holy shit, I hate that. Especially in the case of insect or reptile like beings. You'd think a fucking movie director would consult someone well versed in Biology before making a movie about aliens.
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>>45882931 even other mammals don't have swollen breasts like humans unless they're lactating.
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>>45882776 wait, so you would dissmiss evolution if someone told you an advanced species, not a super natural god, planted colonies in many planets with SCIENCE and let them evolve from that point?
i dont get you.
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>>45882689 >inception_time_track12.mp3 Anonymous
>>45882556 look closer, it's a strap held by a button.
Anonymous
>the day finally comes when fiction starts using non-human looking aliens >people start complaining that they're using human mannerisms because it's not realistic
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>implying aliens didn't make us in their image
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>>45882998 That would be true if they evolved from our reptiles our insects. But the truth is they don't belong to any earth phyla. So they can put tits on a space lizard if they want.
Morrigan Aensland !Qm0NVqAXbI
>>45883084 That;s the explanation in Doctor Who.
Anonymous
I hope when we finally make first contact we come across a race of aliens that's just as willing to fuck us as we are to fuck them.
Anonymous
>>45883129 >I hope when we finally make first contact we come across a race of aliens that's just as willing to fuck us as we are to fuck them. But what if they are hideous and want to fuck us?
Anonymous
do you guys think the chances are good that right now, somewhere in our own galaxy, a race of beings are debating the same subject in extraordinarily similar conditions?
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>>45883070 >thumb's up thinking it's universal any human who does that would be dumb as shit considering it's not even universal in human culture.
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>>45883059 it's still way too small
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>>45883152 that is my fetish. Anonymous
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>>45882998 i recall a friend of mine telling me a role playing game had dragon girls with tits and the explanation was that the tits were "decoys" to ease their way into a society where most species had females with tits.
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I think human-aliens are fine as long as the setting is somewhat cheesy. Not everything needs to be hard sci-fi.
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>>45883152 I'd be ready to take one for the team. Or two. Or 5, or 17000 all at once.
Anonymous
>>45883008 These people exist. I've actually had arguments where people told me that humans couldn't come from nothing, and that plenty of scientists believe that life on Earth arrived on a meteorite, or that we were created by aliens, so life didn't come from nothing, which points the finger to God, somehow.
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>>45883313 So... Unitologists?
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>>45883313 that is also very weird.
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hokay>alien race is contacted, relatively close at 200 lightyears away >not quite mammals, not quite cephelapods. But they lay eggs and have fur. Their level of technological achievement is withing 100 years of ours give or take >intense debate on Earth over whether or not they are but an elaborate hoax, their similarities are scrutinized to the cellular level, and wars break out over how we should respond to this history changing event >on their planet, the exact same thing is happening >on both planets you have people who want to fuck, people who want to exterminate, people who think neither race should ever make contact again, people who thing we must devote every available resource to making physical contact
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>>45883182 Plenty of people do think the thumb's up is "universal". Only really gets them in trouble when travelling where American tv hasn't reached yet.
Anonymous
Is the human race really ready for aliens as we currently stand?
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>>45877556 >Convergent Evolution I'm hoping first contact is either with something like this, or the aliens are so vastly physically different they don't register on any uncanny valley stuff, and people just feel neutral about them.
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>>45879307 Don't make me get tumblr in here.
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>>45883379 You forgot the people on both sides who'd want to keep people on the other side as pets.
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>>45883379 >We become inconvenient pal buddies. >We don't have the resources to get there. Anonymous
>>45878310 >>45878588 Is it just me, or do Cardassians remind anyone else of owls?
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>>45883466 no. especially since the aliens would be the ones making first contact and would therefore be superior technologically.
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>>45883466 >MAXIMUS ASRAPUS Anonymous
>>45877315 To me this will always be Tali's face.
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>>45883518 >keep people on the other side as pets. You know just what I like.
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>>45883008 The implication was that if all aliens in DC are from that empire, it's the only sapient thing to have ever come from anything. (so, no new sapients due to evolution, thus sapients are inherently not createable by evolution and thus require a soul or such and thus God.) Then again, I'm not that familiar with DC aliens, I would guess that Starro or someone is definitely not from this great humanoid empire but was born due to a very different route.
Anonymous
>/v/ post furries >everyone rages at the image, calls it an invasion >/co/ post furries >everyone rages about the tail inconsistencies and how the pants make no sense
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>>45883179 Possibly.
Meanwhile the others just slap their tentacles together in support of the great country of Acirema.
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>>45883526 >inter-galactic pen pals asking each-other how they're doing and assuring each-other that they'll both have found out a way to meet soon Surely someone has written a story with this?
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>>45883084 >You will never be as handsome as Squidward in Prometheus Anonymous
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>>45883560 ... Like those robotic bears in Thundercats?
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>>45883595 >/v/ rages at furries What? Last I checked they were all fapping over that one gay furry trap comic.
Anonymous
>>45879489 They dont need to build things.
They are more than capable of manipulating things in their environment without the use of tools
even though they have been recorded doing so If evolution hasnt stopped for them then they may become sentient. They are disturbingly intelligent.
Morrigan Aensland !Qm0NVqAXbI
>>45883627 How big do you think their dick were?
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>>45883572 That's adorable. It seems so out of character when I see crows to that.
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>>45883643 which one was that again?
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>>45883654 Bigger than ours.
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>>45883533 BaJORan workerrrrs...
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>>45883709 So bigger than the standard 8?
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>>45883107 Not exactly. More like the Time Lords were the first sentient beings, making their anatomy reverberate throughout the universe because of magic morphic field bullshit, and then they started fucking around in time re-shaping the universe in their image even further, to the point where all other evolved forms of sentient life grew to liken them.
They didn't create them directly.
Or they just went around through time fucking everything until every species had some Time Lord in it. Anonymous
So... would you bang M'ress?
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>>45883650 >They dont need to build things. The thing about humans is that we build things even when we don't need to, though. Well spend months or years carving shit into stone because of ideas in our heads, not because we need it. And those ideas in our heads are part of what makes us "sentient".
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>>45883650 >Implying Evolution stops Anonymous
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>>45877399 >Don't they have stuff like higher alien species creating several others? Yes, and also active tampering (the Guardians, for example). Some of the oldest species in the universe are humanoid, as well as the most powerful.
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>>45883847 technically speaking, if possible, wouldnt evolution stop if a being managed (somehow) to evolve into pure energy beings?
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>>45883805 >So... would you bang M'ress? Yes.
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>>45877300 >Aliens in fiction need to stop looking so much like humans. But then they would be hard to relate to without really really good writing and people that are really good at writing tend to not work in comics.
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>>45883993 If you can relate to an inhuman alien, you've written them wrong.
Anonymous
>>45883956 No? Evolution doesn't stop just because one species, or one specimen, decides to take itself out of the game. It's a function that'll keep on happening until there's nothing left to use it.
And for the record, I hate people who actually think the "point" of evolution is that one day the "most evolved" beings will ascend into energy or some bullshit.
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>>45883956 Why would it? Supposing sexual reproduction still exists, then evolution exists.
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>>45884083 Asexual beings should still be able to evolve supposing mutation and genetic errors.
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>>45883956 No. Believe me, I will fuck light.
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>>45884046 I think it's possible for humans to empathize with an inhuman alien.
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>>45883070 Ahh yes, "human mannerisms"
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>>45883070 I hope they don't get offended when they show up by people bitching about how they don't look enough like aliens.
Anonymous
Transformers are the best aliens.
Anonymous
>>45884169 Are you implying that a sentient species with not only different history, but different biology and and shape entirely would somehow end up with the same mannerisms as another sentient species?
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>>45884163 Same (not the guy you're talking to), but execs, editors and publishers don't.
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>>45877556 I think in Star Trek it's a combination of 2 and 3.
The same basic genetic stock was used by aliens to "seed" life on multiple, very similar planets. The fact that the planets were so similar resulted in convergent evolution.
So same starting point + only slightly different environments = only slightly different results.
Also, there are plenty of Star Trek aliens that weren't a result of this seeding, and they are completely and radically different from humanoids. Many of them are inorganic, or not animals, or exist in a different dimension, or evolved in space, or eat emotions, or whatever weird shit they make up.
Finally, the main characters are all from humanoid species because it's a live action show. They had to work with those limitations. Comics have no such limitations.
Don't blame ST for that shit, yo.
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>>45880540 The worst thing is the anthropocentric obsession with making humans out to have this great legacy or fate that somehow makes them of more significance than other species.
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>>45882556 Sooo....tail sleeve?
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>>45883805 >placed on heat duty with Commander M'ress >Ordered to 'bite her neck' >Can't disobey superior officer >Mouth tastes like fur and plaque all day Fucking Caitians...
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>>45884125 Yes, but wasn't the supposition that it'd be a being of light? I'm not sure mutation or genetic error applies to one(supposing this energy being is fairly, well, immutable). Sexual reproduction might(essentially mixing two things to create a new thing).
Anonymous
>>45884274 >lizard lady with correct tail and tail garment >tits. wat
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>>45884251 I'm aware of this.
Not with aliens though, but robots. Motherfuckers constantly ruin great or potentially great robot characters by giving them Pinocchio syndrome so the audience with sympathize with them.
Anonymous
>>45884274 >tail-sweatbands Do reptilians sweat?
Anonymous
>>45884342 Seriously, who cares? Quit your bitchin', if they wanna draw tits on a lizard they shouldn't have to stop just because you said so.
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>>45880844 There's actually some basis to it though. Futurists like Michio Kaku claim that by the time a civilization reaches galactic scale, it should reach consensus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnmmnpj_pX8 Anonymous
>>45884245 yes and no, and also i was making a reference to Mass Effect where the Turian Council member intentionally went about learning the air-quotes mannerism to use to dismiss with even greater prejudice shepards' assertions about the reaper threat.
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>>45884373 I figure it's a fashion thing. If you have something extra to hang shit on, people will use it.
Anonymous
>>45884357 >giving them Pinocchio syndrome They give fucking everyone that.
>oh no I'm cursed to be [insert incredible thing here]... If only I could be more human! Anonymous
>>45884392 You sound way more upset than that post should make you.
!bgREVLN8FU
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>>45884357 Tom Servo handled it pretty well.
Anonymous
>>45884502 they just wanna fap to lizard tits without people commenting on how stupid it is.
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>>45884462 Oh.
Now I'm reminded of Joey not knowing what air-quotes are. Anonymous
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>>45882417 I think it could be something specific OR a combination of traits.
If it's something specific it's probably something really really big whereas combination of traits can be a lot of small things that just don't quite factor in.
Though I feel like cartoons are hard since we intentionally interpret that how we want to.
In really life that's probably not sexy at all, hell a regular woman of similar proportions might even look ridiculous but our mind reintreprets the exaggarated body form into something appealing.
Anonymous
>>45884476 I never understood how such mechanical beings would come to that conclusion. I mean human behavior isn't impossible to replicate if you are a sapient being with a computer brain. Takes time, but no bother. I'd imagine they would really take pride in being able to mimic all cultures and species, and still being superior
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>>45884063 no mang, the whole "being of light" thing stopping evolution comes from transcending the need of a body, most people assume evolution only applies to beings of flesh.
Anonymous
>>45884535 But it is stupid. Just accept it and do it anyway.
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>>45884373 They're not sweatbands, they're tail scarfs! It's cold up north, and ya don't always have a willing and warm-blooded guy to give you a nice hot rubdown and not expect a little extra payment down south.
Anonymous
>>45884598 Then stop being so analpained about it and quit yer bitchin.
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>>45878400 Oh yeah, definitely christian.
Anonymous
>>45884585 Yeah, the only time that shit's made sense to me is when they've been created to emulate humans as much as possible, because then I can imagine them having some code they can't get at that just makes them want to be more human, no matter what they do.
Anonymous
>>45882533 We are all know that we'd fuck the cat folk... but would they fuck us?
Anonymous
>>45877896 You know half his rogue's gallery looks less human than that.
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>>45884628 >yer bitchin First off, you sound like a twat trying to sound more calm than you are when typing like that.
Second, you can fap to what you want, I can ridicule you for the infeasibility of it. That's how this shit works, be it reptilian tits or women with tits the size of beach-balls. It's your job to not care what I think because you're a grown-up secure in yourself.
Third, this thread is about aliens looking too human. Of course someone would comment on the reptilian/amphibian having tits.
Anonymous
This thread is just making me upset that I'll never get the chance to bang an alien.
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>>45884670 That's what made Data work in star trek, but too often writers make Data copies and not Lore. Even with emotions Lore was all about power and enslaving Borg. sure he had human moments. but he was something of a nutbag mechanical monstrosity in human form.
With biological creatures, what irritates me is how often they have the came type of nuclear family system.
Anonymous
>>45884271 I actually don't like this BECAUSE I'm for humanity being great. Having humans being central to the universe because we descended from super-important dead alien race or someshit is dumb as fuck and doesn't allow humanity to shine on its own.
Humans should be great because we're humans, not because some guy made a prophecy or some alien douchebag tampered with our genes 100,000 years ago.
Anonymous
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>>45884756 If they're proper cat folk they'd rape us with their barbed cocks.
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>>45884880 ... still not seeing a downside.
I mean if a cat can take like 10 in a row, a human should be able to handle one right?
Anonymous
>>45884880 Do cats rape that often? I thought that was more of a duck thing.
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>>45884831 >robot-banging will become reality in your life-time but you'll die without being able to afford it The same for transhumanism and immortality.
Anonymous
>>45884867 See I hate that, because humanity doesn't earn their place. I love when humanity proves they are the best by saving the day despite their limts(Star trek, mass effect, kind crighton from farscape) but I loathe when it's given to them(Halo and such)
Anonymous
>>45884786 Is that from Godhunter?
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>>45884880 They'd take the women, leaving their women vulnerable
Anonymous
>>45884939 If not "Rape", it's violent enough that if they tried it on us we'd think of it as rape.
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>>45880844 Also it's more from an anthropological perspective that they share the same unified culture rather than only a perfect consensus on all things.
Lizerd
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>>45884978 Stormbreaker before Godhunter I believe.
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>>45884977 Dude, I know exactly how you feel. There's always some big fucking special purpose to humanity and all other races are just suppose to bow down in awe.
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>>45885026 That would be quite the culture shock.
But are we universe sexy enough?
Anonymous
Aliens in sci-fi need to stop looking like bipedal humanoids or earth animals altogether. I want some really out-there Salvador Dali -type shit.
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>>45885026 Like dating a black guy.
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>>45885169 >Spongebob after a night out at the town.jpg Anonymous
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>>45885169 That thing looks like a Worms Armageddon map.
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>>45885141 Exactly, Humanity should earn it's place, I always liked the idea that we earn it by insane stubborn war. not giving up despite certain doom. essentially out lasting races through insane persistence.
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I will start a line of designer clothes aimed specifically at gene splicers and body modifiers with tails
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>>45884977 >humanity are the humble underdogs new to the galactic scene, considered "cute" and "innocent" by the races of higher standing Anonymous
Anonymous
>>45885579 Fuck I love Andalites
Morrigan Aensland !Qm0NVqAXbI
>>45886063 Still waiting for Andalite penis sizes.
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OP's pic is still pretty humanoid
Anonymous
>>45877300 Well, forst of all, Star Trek had an explaination for that.
Second of all, convergent evolution, motherfucker. Why do you think dolphins and sharks are so similar?
Faggotofthehomeworloffaggotsmaximusprime
>>45878588 It's like putting a 2-4 inch rubber condom all over your body and leaving only roles for eyes and mouth.
Then you stay in that giant rubber condom for hours if not pretty much all day unless you are just a background i guess.
Anonymous
>>45886320 Convergent evolution only work when you are a subject of natural selection in the same environment, both don't happen to sentient creatures on distant planets.
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>>45886387 if you've got a gazillion different planets, similar environments are bound to pop up here and there
Anonymous
Lizerd
>>45886320 No there was an episode in TNG where they found the remains of the original beings that seeded all the planets with their life.
Morrigan Aensland !Qm0NVqAXbI
>>45886484 And then Voyager did that thing with Janeway and Tom.
Anonymous
>>45886112 who knows if they even have them
Morrigan Aensland !Qm0NVqAXbI
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>>45886597 Well they have to don't they. They're mammals and there's a lot of them.
Anonymous
Okay, what do people think about one sex species. On how gender would develop, on sex, genitalia, and most importantly would self impregnation be considered horrific, common, or be impossible due to physical factors
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>>45878734 >fapping to dogs yeah, because that never happens...
Anonymous
>>45886525 The salamander episode was retconed out of canon, both from the word of the show staff and from a line in a newer episode.
For good reason.
Morrigan Aensland !Qm0NVqAXbI
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>>45886839 Oh Voyager. I grew up with you. You were my first Trek. Seven was my first fap. Now only do I realize you kind of sucked.
Anonymous
>>45886733 You make it sound like an asexual species (in fiction) hasn't existed before.
Anonymous
You people are seriously dumb shit. Though aliens probably will look very similar to us if they are in stage 1 or 2 civs, their culture, mannerisms, and psychology will probably confuse you until the day you die or we hit civ 3
Anonymous
>>45886943 not asexual, hermaphrodite, what are the social consequences for that species. For example; what if a king rules and the social and religious norm is that no one should ever impregnate themselves, and the king does. what happens. the first born is without a doubt the pure heir, but it is considered a terrible sin.
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>>45886733 gender seems to be the norm in animal kingdom. No matter the gentical arrangement, male inseminating females with their spore is happening on earth as the main rule. It's way more than just convergent evolution. The genetics behind it change completely from specie to specie. XX female and XY males is a mammal thing. Many specie aren't sexually determined by their genes, but by external influence, like temperature during incubation (turtles) or age (many sea fishes). Insects can have even more complicated systems.
So no matter what, a sexual binary would be more likely no matter what.
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>>45887050 convergent evolution doesn't explain why an alien would perfectly look like a blue Human. convergent evolution allows similar function, not perfect look. No matter how you look, it's still easy to see teh difference between a dolphin and an ichityosaurus.
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>>45887150 If you take snails or slugs as example, a role is determined during the sexual ritual. On will fertilize the other's egg, and the other will not fertilize his eggs. And hermaphrodite sentient speciy would probably do the same, based on personality and dominance in the couple.
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>>45887050 The civ3 thing does bring up a good point.
Genetic engineering. Once evolution is no longer required to survive, a civilization can engineer traits that are NOT ideal for natural selection and development of a space faring race.
think Moya from Farscape. That would make sense. An engineered lifeform that is designed to interact with machines.
Anonymous
>>45886063 who doesn't love the Andalites?
theYeerks Anonymous
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>>45887603 Tee hee! They eat through their feet!
I want one.
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>>45887603 I don't give a shit about your fucking psychic deer
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>>45884977 I don't much get the difference between the examples. I mean how did humanity earn/not earn their place? I mean fuck Humanity pretty much would've lost the war had the Covenant not placed people of interest on volatile/ zombie infested satellites.
Morrigan Aensland !Qm0NVqAXbI
>>45887603 There so pretty. I NEED an answer on the penis size question.
Morrigan Aensland !Qm0NVqAXbI
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>>45887803 >There FUCK BALLS DICKOLE BARBED WIRE
Anonymous
>Animorphs
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>>45887785 The whole forerunner descendent thing, and the arc being on earth. making it a special place and the whole ancient destiny shtick.
Don't get me wrong, hell of a fight we put up, just that the destiny was there already.
Anonymous
>>45877300 > aliens have to look less human > OP's picture has tits > a feature completely unparalleled in all of evolution Anonymous
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>>45887888 Don't bring that up
don't make me sad
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>>45887050 Anthropomorphic aliens are mostly wishful thinking. A bunch of chitinous, six-armed, four eyed snakes can make a technological civilization just fine without having to resemble humans in the slightest. And convergent evolution is not some magical force that produces colorful versions of earth species. Life is adapted to its environment, and its shape also contains throwbacks to all the different environs its ancestors adapted to as well. Everything about is the product of 400 million years of trial and error. There are simply too many variables at play for humanoid intelligent life, or at least any we have a chance of seeing before our extinction. Just about the only way humanoid aliens could exist is if they were descendants of primitive humans taken from earth and put on another planet to continue their evolution. Even if they were somehow able to evolve into a form that looked exactly like human beings, the chances are overwhelmingly high that their biology would be vastly different and that their appearance, and possibly psychology, would be the only thing we share. Pic related.
>>45888702 To be fair, there are lactating fish and arthropods. There have been lactating reptiles in the past which gave way to mammals. Obviously, the synapsid reptiles are all dead but our existence is proof that it's possible and has happened before.
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>>45887888 Stop right there criminal scum!
I don't need those fucking feels.
Anonymous
>>45877352 >DC doesn't even try but they kinda did in blackest night when the guardians with the whole life started on earth thing.
i just chalk it up to our physical shape being an ideal shape.
if we wanna go the route though of aliens not looking human, do we have to fall into the weird for the sake of not looking human line like
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>>45879265 >humans are so xenophobic. ftfy
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>>45891574 >our physical shape being an ideal shape Not even close.
Anonymous
>>45891924 MAybe he means visually? Because the ideal human being sounds like a real uggo.
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StarWars was always better in that regard. Has actual aliens but they're still mostly bipedal.
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>>45877666 A bigger or smaller planet would indeed be a massive change.
Anonymous
>>45887050 >Bipedalism Why are you assuming an alien would have exactly four limbs and that exactly two of them would be dedicated to tool manipulation?
Also, if convergent evolution is such a prevalent and powerful force as you're making it out to be, wouldn't we be seeing more humanoid animals on Earth?
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>>45878500 The budget for Star Trek was astronomical. Of course they couldn't go all out. Half Life is pretty good with this though. It could be a lot better but it's a step.
Anonymous
>>45878906 Done. What do I win?
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>>45877300 >>45892250 Has no one in this thread mentioned mass effect? sure it's not quite the picture perfect model but just imagine how crazy it could get!
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>>45879324 Those things look badass as fuck. You're retarded for not wanting one of those perched on your shoulder.
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>>45877480 Sure it does, but it's called convergent evolution. The wings on a bird, the wings on a bat, and the wings on a fly are analogous traits. They have nothing to do with each other, outside of the fact that they resemble each other since they all evolved seperately to adapt to similar environments. I can buy the idea that if you travel an unfathomable number of light years throughout the universe that you'll come across an alien that appears humanoid, but I'm not fond of how common these humanoid aliens are. For every Starfire, I want ten Mogos.
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>>45892630 >Has no one in this thread mentioned mass effect? sure it's not quite the picture perfect model but just imagine how crazy it could get! Mass Effect's best race is the turians. They are functional and believable but not quite obviously relatable to any Earth animal. I mean some people see birds or cats, and I can see that too, but it's not all that obvious.
They're very interesting and unique looking.
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>>45892701 >The wings on a bird, the wings on a bat, and the wings on a fly are analogous traits. Yet again, same chemical basis, evolved same planet, evolved in same environments, still very different from one another.
Anonymous
>>45892588 Draw it or describe it.
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>>45877415 Not even close.
In some versions it didn't even have a breathable atmosphere.
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>>45892754 To round off this point, a team of scientists did get together in the 80's i believe, and speculated about the traits of possible alien life and what sort of impact contact would have on the human race
They drew pictures and one of the criteria was "Where is the anus?"
Science man
Anonymous
>>45877392 Do you think Rhinoceros look like Triceratops or Giraffes look like Apatosaurs? Would you confuse a Bat with a Pterodactyl? And these are all animals that evolved from common ancestors. Aliens would be prone to look more alien. Would tAliens have eyes, mouths and ears close to each other? Yes, probably. Would Aliens have cheeks, lips or human-like ears and noses ? Probably not. Would there be any Aliens who look hot by human standards? Hell no. Even Aliens coming from similar planets to ours that went through a similar evolutionary history would definitely end up in our uncanny valley territory, as our brains are wired to look for the smallest indications of non-human in other people's faces.
Anonymous
>>45879214 What species of bird is that!? I must see moar!
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>>45877392 That's only assuming that there are basic mechanisms that each species would have to persist in it's environment. However, every species is a walking toolbox of different mechanisms and quirks that don't seem quintessential for it to survive in it's environment but do define the species.
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>>45893000 bearded vulture
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>>45892941 >Would there be any Aliens who look hot by human standards? Hell no. There certainly would, they'd just be very uncommon.
Lizerd
>>45892941 Not to mention the various ways they could perceive the universe, the many ways they could communicate, or the extremes they go through to survive.
Anonymous
>>45893122 They'd probably only barely look humanoid, insofar as two legs, two arms, and a head on their shoulders. We'd still be genetically incompatible. Worse even, we would probably be mutually toxic to one another.
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>>45880720 That's just regular life to them.
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>>45893257 If you're going to bring probability into it we wouldn't even be having this discussion because chances are two alien species will never actually meet.
Anonymous
>>45884342 This bugged me in the Elder Scrolls too. In fact, it bugs me every time I see it.
THERE WILL NEVER BE A RACE WITH DELICIOUS, FLAT-CHESTED LIZARD WOMEN!
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>>45878500 Yeah, but the thing is most of these comic examples are the same way.
I mean, Tamaran and Krypton and Maltus and Rann are four very different places where everyone looks mostly human. However, they all have their own strange culture and technology that sets them apart.
Because the stories those DC comics are trying to tell isn't one where everyone is bright and colorful and different on the outside. It's one where what changes everything is what's on the INSIDE, what makes a person being their character, not their appearance. Even guys like the guardians of the universe were originally indistinguishable from an average human, but it was their own actions that caused them to change and eventually ruin them.
Making flashy aliens would look interesting for a few minutes, but it'd ruin the recurring idea that a lot of cosmic DC was originally based on. Which is why it's kind of awful that that's exactly what Geoff Johns has done.
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>>45893257 Well What if the DNA came from a similar source? Their biology would have to be marginally similar, perhaps incomparable but they would at least be recognizable
Anonymous
>>45893359 I get it, you just want flat-chested lizards because that's your fetish.
Anonymous
>>45881569 Hard sci-fi is just a way to say no fun. Admit it.
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>>45893122 Far too uncommon. Too many of our facial traits are vestigial and a lot of what makes us think somebody is hot is cultural/historical. If with a simple geographical change, say Australia or MesoAmerica had become the ones to impose their culture on the rest of the planet, a lot of what we consider hideous would be beautiful and viceversa.
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>>45893517 It can be when people use it as a crutch to justify the total exclusion of anything creative, but it can be tons of fun when actually written well.
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>>45893500 ....no
okay, yes Anonymous
>>45882998 They know bugs don't have tits. They want tits though.
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>>45883466 No. Not at all.
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Awesome creatures dump?
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>>45886344 You just described a fetish.
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>>45893825 Bingo, we have a winner. Writers put tits on bugs and lizards because that is their prerogative. Breaking the rules of reality is what fiction exists for.
Anonymous
>>45877300 I stand by the logic that if it works on one planet that can support organic life then I don't know why the same sort of progression could occur on other planets of vaguely similar composition, size, and stellar orbit.
Or, let me put it another way... Earth Life is the only life we currently know of and we're the only things on this planet that have even come close to space exploration so I figure that if there are space-faring races in the universe besides us, there is a non-negligible possibility that they are similar to us.
I'm not saying it's impossible for... I don't know... a gestalt organism composed of billions of bacteria occupying a giant insect, to be the spacefaring life we encounter, I'm just saying that the odds are in favor of human-like life at the moment, given our limited knowledge of the universe.
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>>45879214 "should I be holding this bird?"
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>>45892630 Ctrl-f
Those big things came from a bigger planet.
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>>45894579 >I'm just saying that the odds are in favor of human-like life at the moment Did you even read this damn thread? That is the opposite of true.
Anonymous
>>45882998 But we can easily make up excuses why space aliens who look like Terrestrial reptiles or bugs have tits. I mean, they're NOT reptiles or bugs, they're ALIENS. They just look like that! Who knows what kind of wacky evolutionary progression they've gone through? And who says the tits are actually mammary glands? They could be nutrient pouches or endocrinal glands or vestigial appendages or god knows what else!
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>>45892801 Imagine a creature that's sort of like a spindly web with detachable joints in a triangle lattice structure. At the center there is the brain but all of the joints outside of it can detach to hold things and adapt to the environment.
Anonymous
>>45894664 >They could be nutrient pouches That's... what boobs are.
Anonymous
>>45894646 Give me the cliffnotes version with post numbers, I'm lazy and you're mad.
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>>45892010 We are the babyfaces of our family
Anonymous
>>45882701 Man I knew a millitary chick once who used to get off with an unloaded Deagle. And a goth chick who got off with a knife. That Freudian shit works both ways.
Anonymous
>>45894724 >you're mad. Y'know, pissing people off doesn't make you right. If anything you probably piss people off by being stupid. And damn right I'm mad because I'm sick of repeating myself to lazy dipshits who can't scroll up. So look for it yourself.
Anonymous
>>45894646 Just because the majority of the universe is not similar to our solar system does not automatically dictate that life will emerge from there.
Or can you give me an example of extra-terrestrial life in reality, let alone one that does not resemble Earth life?
Earth is the only thing we KNOW works. Everything else is speculatory.
Anonymous
>>45894579 >I stand by the logic that if it works on one planet that can support organic life then I don't know why the same sort of progression could occur on other planets of vaguely similar composition, size, and stellar orbit. You don't realize the sheer staggering amount of variables that led to humanity coming into being. If the dinosaurs happened to not be wiped out, no humans. If different species happened to survive the various mass extinctions that happened, no humans. If certain conditions in Africa weren't just right, no humans.
>I'm just saying that the odds are in favor of human-like life at the moment, given our limited knowledge of the universe. I don't think reality works that way.
Anonymous
>>45894829 >I cared about an idiot's opinion but didn't care enough to provide any evidence or information and am hoping they're just going to take my word for it instead of demanding I support my claims. Brilliant.
Anonymous
>>45894960 I already supported my claims several times. Read. The. Thread.
Anonymous
>>45894944 I'm pretty sure REALITY does work that way seeing as how there's no life in the known universe besides Earth. I believe you are thinking of this place called THE WORLD OF INDUCTIVE REASONING.
Anonymous
>>45895000 Good, you must know where those several times are, how about you just... Quote. Those. Posts? Don't you care about being right?
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>>45894784 >unloaded Deagle. What a
pussy. Anonymous
I suggest OP and like-minded individuals read prophet.
Anonymous
>>45894579 >Humans are the only creatures we know that are capable of space travel >Therefore any extraterrestrial species that is capable of space travel, regardless of the conditions of their home planet or how vastly different their evolutionary history was to ours, must also be humanoid. That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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>>45894694 Like they just put food out of the ground and store it in there.
Anonymous
>>45895168 Hey me too. Good thing you wrote something entirely different from what my post said!
Anonymous
>>45894870 Dude, there are things on the earth that we know for a fact should exist or makes no sense. But they do.
There is nothing to state that life or something very similar to what we think of life hasn't grown on other worlds in ways we can't even fathom.
Anonymous
>>45895146 > posting that image > not telling us what happens next what happens next, poster?
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?!
Anonymous
One of the best races in Mass Effect. The only ones that were actually alien.
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>>45893152 >>45892337 >>45885035 Where do these come from?
Also did anyone see the discovery kids show where they went to the future to see what the animals had evolved to and the Discovery documentary it was based off if? I loved those. Squids had evolved into land dwelling elephantine things as well as monkey type creatures.
Anonymous
>>45895168 >>45895229 Let me break it down for you, I said "there is a non-negligible chance", meaning non-zero. YOU quoted me as saying it "must" be, as in, 100%.
0.000000001 is very good chances in science dealing with logic and theory of near complete unknowns.
100% is lunacy.
Thank you for your time.
Anonymous
>>45895002 >no life in the known universe besides Earth And look, over the entire history of life on Earth, how diverse it is.
A small sliver of that life is humanoid.
Therefore, humanoid life must be rare.
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>>45895239 Man never read Prophet? The next page is just them after the act. Pretty funny. Doesn't show them actually doing it.
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>>45895279 Those guys only made me think of these guys from... Andromeda? Some sci-fi show, that were the most advanced aliens around but they disliked everyone because they were so alien and were jellyfish-like floating around in their toxic (to all other sentients) spaceship-environments.
Anonymous
>>45895234 We know for a fact that they shouldn't exist but they exist?
Um, I don't think you can give an example of a logical impossibility, champ.
And alien that resembles a sentient algae in a symbiotic relationship with a fungus, for example, is exactly the kind of thing you would expect from Earth. It's called a "lichen".
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>>45895348 Of course. There are only a few vaguely humanoid species on earth.
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>>45895229 >Earth Life is the only life we currently know of and we're the only things on this planet that have even come close to space exploration so I figure that if there are space-faring races in the universe besides us, there is a non-negligible possibility that they are similar to us >I'm just saying that the odds are in favor of human-like life at the moment, given our limited knowledge of the universe How else am I supposed to interpret that, exactly?
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>>45895348 Aha, caught you! You didn't read my post! It wasn't about looking HUMAN, it was about looking like EARTH LIFE!
Imbecile...
Anonymous
>>45895301 On a long enough timeline, technically anything and everything has a chance of happening:
http://exitmundi.nl/eternity.htm Anonymous
Anonymous
>>45895038 No, but you know what? I will anyway. Merry Christmas, ya lazy dumbass.
>>45877480 >>45877668 >>45878498 >>45889696 Those aren't even all of them, just the most important.
I just know you're gonna say "Nuh- uh those aren't your posts! Anonymous
>>45895279 What about those huge things?
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>>45895453 They are just big cow things.
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>>45895420 That's more philosophy than science, but I agree.
But we're talking about limited models that can't include the entire scope of the projected universe and extent of time.
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>>45895488 >Having arms, indentations for eyes, a nose, and a mouth TOO HUMAN FOR MEE
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>>45895378 Bacteria that exists at the bottom of the ocean, right next to volcanic vents.
They were logically not possible, yet there they are.
Hell we don't even know WHY bees can fly. They don't make any goddamned sense.
Logically, those little fuckers should not be able to fly.
And yet, there they are.Flying about, stinging folks and getting off on flowers all day.
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>>45895279 Yeah, and all I can think of is "How the fuck did the Hanar build spaceships?"
Do those tentacles actually act as prehensile limbs? 'Cuz I don't recall ever seeing them do anything but dangle. And how do these fuckers float, anyway? Biotics?
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>>45895488 WHAT IS THIS FROM
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>>45895521 >Tfw if bees stop fucking flowers we all die Bees why you gotta go extinct
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>>45895452 No you idiot, whether they are your posts or not are irrelevant when I was asking for the information.
And that's great and all but nothing there contradicts or conflicts with the idea that finding ET life that resembles humanity is slightly more likely than life that does not resemble humanity, let alone life that does not resemble any creature or organism on Earth. In fact, I'd say it even lends credence to both those ideas, although mostly the latter.
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>>45895521 You really should stop listening to "science" explained by nutjobs with an agenda and people down at the pub. First of all, you're thinking of bumblebees. And there's nothing illogical about how they fly. Just look it up using a credible source instead of spouting bullshit someone told you.
Things living next to super-hot volcanic vents? That shit was theorised. That's why we even looked.
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You know what would be fucked? If in the future we finally reach another planet with flourishing life and a breadth of lifeforms and we find a creature that looks a lot like us but is just a dumb animal with an intelligence no greater than maybe dogs.
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To everyone in this thread talking about convergent evolution and the retard using dinosaurs as an example (do u even dig), you're all forgetting the most important things; in order to properly develop or speculate on what a single alien race, or an entire biome would be like, you'd need to know what sort of planet it is. Is the life carbon based? Are the oceans and bodies of liquid water? What sort of atmosphere does the planet have? Is the planet orbiting one sun or two? Is there an asteroid belt in the solar system? Is it even a planet or is it a moon orbiting a gas giant?
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>>45895521 >They were logically not possible, yet there they are. ..what? Why is that not possible. The vents spew up all the stuff that they would be likely to exist off of.
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>>45895521 I don't think you understand what logically not possible means.
No, I'm serious, you DO NOT understand what logical impossibility means.
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How many stories explore gas giant life possibilities?
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>>45895648 Are you for real.
NO ONE KNOWS WHY BEES CAN FLY! THEY JUST DO! IT'S A KNOWN SCIENTIFIC QUESTION!
Second, those bacteria have been found you dumbass. It's not a theory it's a damned fact.
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>>45895629 >ut nothing there contradicts or conflicts with the idea that finding ET life that resembles humanity is slightly more likely than life that does not resemble humanity, Holy shit, it's like you didn't read those at all. Change one variable and you get a completely different product. Simple as that.
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>>45895655 Yes, that being WOULD be fucked. Quite vigorously, by many people.
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>>45895578 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedition_%28book%29 there's a discovery channel special of it called Alien Planet. basically it shows how truly alien that extraterrestrial life can be and shows how organisms could adapt according to a certain planet's atmosphere. really interesting stuff, check it out
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>>45895603 Yeah I know. But the killer bees and cellphones signals are going to wipe them out, and soon.
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>Alright boys, we found them! >Who wants to be the first to try fucking 'em?
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In Mass Effect they wanted to go crazier but found it too difficult to design armor preces and weapons for all the different types of bodies.
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>>45895722 It's not so simple, actually, from a causal determinism perspective. There are TOO MANY variables.
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>>45895560 They used mass effect to float.
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>tfw we might possibly be the most intelligent life out there >tfw there are species 100x smarter than us and know we have exist but focus on us like we focus on a ant hill on the side of the road, not at all.
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>>45895765 >Dibs on the tall one Anonymous
>>45895721 Oh, you're acting retarded to troll. Gotcha. You really rustled me there, fella! You won that one! Quite masterfully done, if I may say so!
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>>45895798 >There are TOO MANY variables Yeah, more ways to NOT resemble human beings.
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>>45895661 Even if it was 100% like out world and our solar system there is almost no way in fuck that any of the creature there will look anything like llife on our planet.
It is nearly impossible for there to be a gertyuivian dog ala startrek where it's a dog but it's bigger and green and has two tails instead of one or something like that.
It might as well be completely impossible.
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>>45895664 It's too goddamned hot there's no sunlight and there no way for them to breathe
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>>45895521 We knew bacteria on vents could exist because we saw similar bacteria in mineral springs.
Bees fly by creating convection currents under their wings.
Logical impossibility means an actual contradiction, something that cannot even be imagined.
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>>45895837 Just admit you don't fucking know and stop. Goddamn it's like arguing with a fucking 5 year old.
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>>45895864 Of course not, there would always be something different that changes the variables in some point. When you boil down to it, then it is determined by the DNA, rate of mutation, the amount of radiation from its nearby star and any natural disasters.
Perhaps a chordate evolved, only to be wiped out by a mass extinction and arthropods (or the analogue of it) survived.
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>>45895906 There is absolutely nothing in logic that states that everything alive needs to breath you know... or catalyze sunlight somewhere in its food chain, or have cold temperatures.
You don't understand logic.
Bacteria in volcanic vents is not a logical impossibility, a square triangle is.
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>>45895765 >after about a minute of silence a private unzips his pants and steps foward >"l'll do it, sir" Anonymous
>>45895953 We know the bacteria exists because we actually found them
Bees are aerodynamically unsound and how they get up in the air isn't the question, they shouldn't be able to move like that are stay aloft for long at all.
Exactly.
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>>45896034 >"You're doing your momma and your country proud, son." Anonymous
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>>45895765 It's a giant Earth Diatom.
>>45895834 It's a giant Earth Protozoan.
Not exotic enough, can't get hard, sir.
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>>45878642 >mandi Only one I have saved.
Yeah, we'd hit it.
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>>45896138 Both at once.
And yes, I'm not afraid of getting oral from the left.
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>>45896138 Not like that. It was more like a snake's jaw, and... To be honest, it was a nude picture.
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>>45896103 >We know the bacteria exists because we actually found them No one here is saying they don't exist. Quite the opposite, we're saying scientists thought they'd exist before we even got proof of them existing.
>>45896103 >Bees are aerodynamically unsound and how they get up in the air isn't the question, they shouldn't be able to move like that are stay aloft for long at all. Where on earth have you gotten such a silly idea from? You might as well start raving about how planes shouldn't be able to fly because they weigh so much and no one can explain how a wing makes you stay up.
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>>45896213 Oh yeah, I'm sure I've seen it but don't know where, if, I saved it.
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>>45896103 >>45896248 I think he's thinking of the bumblebee.
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>>4589601 The fact that you read the definition dictionary of what thay words means doesn't mean you understand it.
A square triangle isn't a logical impossibility. It's just stupid.
And logic DOES fucking state that most things need to breathe. It's kind of what science is built on.
Following the greatest probability when it comes to most things.
I'm actually stating that logic as we know it and science when it comes to biology should be pushed to the side when we think of alien worlds and differring evironments. I'm not even sure if you're arguing about anything other then to just prove me wrong anymore.
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>>45895969 >>45895721 Please, Google "how do bees fly". It is one of those things that has been discovered since you left the school.
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...Animorphs was pretty cool.
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>>45896372 A triangle is defined by being a geometric shape with 3 and only 3 sides.
A square is defined by being a geometric shape with 4 and only 4 sides.
Nothing with 3 and only 3 sides can also have 4 and only 4 sides.
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>>45896248 No, we didn't just kind of have an idea about it or even theorize. They were found while they were screwing around at the bottom of the ocean.
From icthyologists biologists and people who concern themselves with aerodynamics. I thought it was an interesting thing when I was a kid and it's stuck with me. I've looked for people who could explain the mystery of the bees flight to no avail.
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>>45896308 It doesn't matter if it's bees or bumblebees, because "scientists can't explain how bumblebees can fly!" was a bullshit idea passed around, like, three years ago or more. I honestly didn't think there was anyone left who hadn't caught up with how wrong it was.
This is how it must have felt like to meet class-mates who actually believed in the goat-man stalking lover's lane.
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Can we get a new thread minus this stupid argument? This one is Saging.
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>>45896457 there are additional recquirements for a square. All sides have to be the same length, and all angles must be the same measure.
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>>45896511 But scientists did have theories of finding life there... They had debates about whether or not it was feasible, before we even had the capability of get down there to check.
>I've looked for people who could explain the mystery of the bees flight to no avail. Then, like creationists and young earth believers claiming they've found nothing to disprove them, you haven't actually looked in the right place.
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>>45896565 What's the point? The troll will just follow, no matter your intentions.
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>>45896755 I want a new thread anyway. There's still some good discussion.
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>>45896457 You're example was stupid.
Stop it.
You don't understand it.
>>45896386 I just checked the first page to pop up on google.
They still don't know.
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>>45896514 THEY CAN'T YOU DUMB SON OF A BITCH!
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>>45896980 I'LL JUST PRETEND I'M REALLY ANGRY AT THIS PERSON
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>>45896710 No, no they didn't. It was completely by accident.
>Then, like creationists and young earth believers claiming they've found nothing to disprove them, you haven't actually looked in the right place. Ah, you're one of those absolute idiots who see's that its' "SCIENCE" and simply puts on your pseudoscience cap and pretends they know what the fuck they are talking about.
I honestly hate it when I realize that I've been trying to debate people like you.
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>>45897084 Lucky for you, you haven't been debating.
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>>45897072 >Proponents of intelligent design, I fucking HATE arguing with religion vs science idiots when it comes to fucking legitimate scientific debate.
ti's the most excrusciating mindnumbing infuriating experience EVER.
And not only that all of you fucking retards who long ago hit you fucking threshold of intellectual capability decided to make this into an argument over the most inane bullshit ever.
Why in the fancy backflipping fuck do I even try.
And thanks for the article.
Even though it has that slant that I dislike when it comes to pure science it was helpful in answering something that has bugged(no pun intended) for years
I'm leaving before I have to argue with dumbfuck google/wiki pseudo scintists for the next few hours.
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>>45897191 You're right. I've been trying to argue my position the otherside has been saying nuh uh between reading the first couple of result from google and whatever they can find on wiki.
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>>45897226 I'm with you. Anything that begins with "vs science" is the dumbest shit in the world.
Science is not an opponent. Science just -is.-
It's like... declaring math as your opponent. YOU LOSE.
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>>45889696 he's not talking about lactation, he's talking about tits
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>>45898655 And tell me, what organ lactates?
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>>45898707 Mammary glands? Not tits, specifically. Human males can lactate. The platypus has a lactating skin-patch.
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>>45898841 All I'm saying is that tits on aliens aren't as unlikely as people think.
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>>45898926 It's pretty darn unlikely, though, since humans are, as far as I know, the only lactating species that have tits. The size of them is because of sexual selection, unless I'm much mistaken. We might as well have turned out with large pinkies.
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>>45899146 I'm pretty sure udders=tits, but I could be wrong
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>>45899208 Fun fact: Udders on goats and cows aren't actually that large in nature. The domesticated versions have, similarly to our own sexual selection, been given enlarged udders through breeding, in our attempts to make them squirt out more milk for us.
