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Anonymous !2y1il5Qy0g Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:11:00 No.10209186 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>10209706 >>10209854

>mfw doing Starting Strength for 3 months and 1 week so far
>mfw my lifts have improved tremendously
>mfw some /fit/izens don't me it would never work

I actually look bigger too which is awesome

James !2y1il5Qy0g

James !2y1il5Qy0g Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:12:00 No.10209198 Report

Quoted By: >>10209239

No one says SS doesn't make you stronger. Most likely you were, correctly, informed it won't do much for you in terms of aesthetics.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:16:00 No.10209239 Report

Quoted By: >>10209559 >>10209597 >>10209616

>>10209198
I'm going to get off of this program after 2 resets so I should start thinking about another program. Do you have any suggestions for a program that will help me aesthetically but won't totally negate strength gains?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:19:00 No.10209283 Report

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bump for program?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:20:00 No.10209291 Report

Quoted By: >>10209382

Who told you SS would never work? They're fucking retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:26:00 No.10209382 Report

Quoted By: >>10209635 >>10210176

>>10209291
Half the trip fags on /fit/

>trex mode
>lol no gains

shit like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:40:00 No.10209559 Report

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>>10209239
bumping for this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:44:00 No.10209597 Report

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>>10209239
another bump for this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:45:00 No.10209616 Report

Quoted By: >>10209737 >>10209869

>>10209239

Texas method. Same strength progression as SS (although weekly instead of on the workout), and the extra volume swoles you up, especially shoulders for some reason, must be all the extra overhead work

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:46:00 No.10209635 Report

Quoted By: >>10209942

>>10209382

protip: any tripfag who says SS is a bad beginner program immediately goes on the filter list.

Your /fit/ experience suddenly becomes infinitely better

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:48:00 No.10209657 Report

Quoted By: >>10209683 >>10209691 >>10209851 >>10211358 >>10211410

Today was beginning of week 5 SS for me.

Squat - 220lbs
Bench - 135lbs
DL - 180lbs
OHP - 105lbs
Clean - 110lbs

6' 1''
170lbs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:50:00 No.10209683 Report

Quoted By: >>10209710

>>10209657

You're squatting high, hit proper depth kthanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:51:00 No.10209690 Report

Quoted By: >>10209707

How much weight should I add each week?

And how do I know with how much to start with.

>>My gym is in kg.
>>was thinking about madcowing but I'm just starting to lift so no muscle at all. chubbyfag wanting to get ripped or toned

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:51:00 No.10209691 Report

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>>10209657

Also you're bouncing your OHP out of the bottom

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:52:00 No.10209706 Report

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>>10209186
Before and after pic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:52:00 No.10209707 Report

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>>10209690

Do SS. Read the book, it tells you exactly how to find out how much to start with.

Add what you can. Generally 10kg deads 5kg everything else for a week or two then down to 5 for deads 2.5 for everything else, then down to whatever you can add that keeps progress going

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:52:00 No.10209710 Report

Quoted By: >>10209724 >>10209737

>>10209683
This is where I'm hitting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:53:00 No.10209724 Report

Quoted By: >>10209749

>>10209710

I doubt this is true, but if you are then congrats.

However if that's the case then you are womaning out on your deadlift, grip and rip

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:55:00 No.10209737 Report

Quoted By: >>10209767

>>10209710
I HIGHLY doubt that, and make sure your back is straight. Your deads should ALWAYS be higher than your squat until you get up to high weight (500+)

>>10209616
Hm, really? Never heard of that, I'll look it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:56:00 No.10209749 Report

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>>10209724
I know only 5 weeks, but I was really into lifting like 4-5 years ago, the form all came back to me really easy. I'm not starting from total beginner mode.

And I know. It's sometimes hard for me to keep them rigid though, most of my height is in my legs, so I haven't been progressing the weight like I should've. It'll get there though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 07:58:00 No.10209767 Report

Quoted By: >>10209853

>>10209737

It's essentially madcow / bill starr, the differences are fairly minor

texas has you volume-ing on monday, recovering on wed then going for singles or doubles on fri

There's a t nation article on it which is easy reading if you can get around the broscience, and ripp talks extensively about it in practical programming and around various sites

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:03:00 No.10209797 Report

Quoted By: >>10209816 >>10209862

Bench 3x8…….95lbs
Ohp 3x8……50lbs
DL 3x5.......100lbs
Squat 3x5.......45lbs
One month progress

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:04:00 No.10209805 Report

Quoted By: >>10209814 >>10209822 >>10209829

In the gym that I'm in they gave me a routine. Days AxBxAxB etc..

I told them I wanted to SS but they didn't know what it was. This is the only decent gym with the right gear in the city and I already payed for a month.

They told me that after 2 months they would evaluate me and see how I've progressed.

Should I drop this shit and start doing my own SS workout?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:05:00 No.10209814 Report

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>>10209805
Yes

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:05:00 No.10209816 Report

Quoted By: >>10209844

>>10209797

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:06:00 No.10209822 Report

Quoted By: >>10209831

>>10209805
Yep, but the workout they gave you may be essentially identical to SS if they know what they're doing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:06:00 No.10209829 Report

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>>10209805

Depends what the routine is. Post it

but yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:06:00 No.10209831 Report

Quoted By: >>10209840

>>10209822
Tomorrow is my off day and I don't have the routine with me I'll try to remember what it is for days A and B

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:07:00 No.10209840 Report

Quoted By: >>10209971

>>10209831

Oh wow

If the routine is complex enough that you can't remember it, then it's definitely shit.

Novice routines should have like 3 exercises each day

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:07:00 No.10209841 Report

Quoted By: >>10209861 >>10209864 >>10209866

Wait, so SS won't give you aesthetics? I thought aesthetics come from strength. Won't you look cut after a cut after SS?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:07:00 No.10209844 Report

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>>10209816
EVERYONE HAS TO START SOMEWHERE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:08:00 No.10209851 Report

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>>10209657
Huh, you seem to be squatting higher than you should be.

Weak back? Your DL shoudl be about a half a plate to a plate higher than your squat, really.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:08:00 No.10209853 Report

Quoted By: >>10209870 >>10209894

>>10209767
>>10209767

Is T-Nation full of broscience?
I know there are some authors that would highly recommend 50 supplements a day that are shit, but the "burn the fat, only 100g of carbs a day" stuff sounds kinda bro to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:08:00 No.10209854 Report

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>>10209186
no-one ever said your lifts wouldnt increase on SS you idiot.

they said you'd still look like shit, though. which you probably do

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:09:00 No.10209861 Report

Quoted By: >>10209893

>>10209841
Sure, but it doesn't get you super big like some hypertrophy programs do, it focuses more on core strength.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:09:00 No.10209862 Report

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>>10209797
r u a 8 year old girl?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:09:00 No.10209864 Report

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>>10209841
if your goal is aesthetics, SS is a bad choice.

unless its leg aesthetics

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:09:00 No.10209866 Report

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>>10209841

You are correct. Although generally what happens is that what would have satisfied you before you started lifting seems small and weak to you after SS, so you continue pursuing more size and strength, delivering greater aesthetics which people attribute to the second program, not the one that gave you the strength base to be able to do it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:10:00 No.10209869 Report

Quoted By: >>10209917 >>10209940

>>10209616
What are the generally accepted best paths to go down in terms of programs after SS?
For example what program would be best for maximizing:
-Primarily strength
-Primarily hypertrophy
-A balance of the two

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:10:00 No.10209870 Report

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>>10209853

T-Nation has pretty good info, and is written for meatheads so it's easy to understand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:12:00 No.10209893 Report

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>>10209861

Oh. Well, I feel like I still need to start here to start out right. Then I'll go to whatever I please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:12:00 No.10209894 Report

Quoted By: >>10209979

>>10209853

T nation is most definitely full of broscience. You should sort by authors. Wendler posts training spills on there which are good, Matt Kroc sometimes posts there, but it's a site made to make money from supplements, so it's full of shit a lot of the time

now, TO ALL PEOPLE QUESTIONING SS:

SS will not get you aesthetic. However, NO BEGINNER PROGRAM WILL GET YOU AESTHETIC. SS does it's job - giving you a strength base to pursue whatever goals you want - extremely well

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:14:00 No.10209917 Report

Quoted By: >>10209940

>>10209869

Strength: texas/madcow and then 5/3/1

Hypertrophy: dunno, probably just push pull legs split

Combo: texas/madcow then a push pull legs or 5/3/1 with big but boring assistance (adds mass so freaking quick, but extremely simple and potentially boring program)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:16:00 No.10209926 Report

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>dat feel when 1% of /fit/izens spew myths about SS so that they can hold a monopoly on aesthetics

we are the 99%, op.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:16:00 No.10209935 Report

Quoted By: >>10209951

I refuse to eat a caloric surplus while not doing anything 4 days a week. Even a +500 one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:17:00 No.10209940 Report

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>>10209917
>>10209869

Of course the ideal is that once you graduate intermediate (finish texas method or madcow level program), you're familiar enough with your body that autoregulation methods like rest pause and myorepping can be used to great effect and allow you to program your own routine that is a direct reflection of your goals and how your body trains best

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:17:00 No.10209942 Report

Quoted By: >>10209954

>>10209635

>Filter all tripfags
>Filter "dat feel"
>Filter "jelly"
>Filter "mad"

Suddenly /fit/ is actually a great place to talk about fitness

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:19:00 No.10209951 Report

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>>10209935

I suppose you refuse to get strong and big then.

You don't know anything about the nutritional process do you. Read some of lyle mcdonald's books (he does an excellent job of synthesising textbook knowledge into readable chapters) and then come back and try to say that your stance is anything but cretinous

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:19:00 No.10209954 Report

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>>10209942

Genius

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:22:00 No.10209971 Report

Quoted By: >>10209989 >>10209991

Oh wait.. SS is not asthetics????? Oh shit...

What workout is asthetics?

I was doing SS to get ripped... lol
This is just some of workout A:
Bench press 30kg 3x12

Tricep pushdowns 1kg 3x15

Lateral/front raises 5lbs 3x12

Seated calves rasies 30kg 3x18

Inclined dumbell bench press 15lbs 3x12

abs and other leg excercises...
>>10209840

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:23:00 No.10209979 Report

Quoted By: >>10210040

>>10209894

Thank you. I've been wondering about SS for months since i've started lurking here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:24:00 No.10209989 Report

Quoted By: >>10210008

>>10209971

That's horrific. Don't do that.

As above: SS isn't aesthetics, but NOTHING at the beginner level is aesthetics. If you try to follow a hypertrophy routine as a novice you will experience laughable progress. If you follow SS as a novice you will get stronger and bigger quickly, so you will be more aesthetic than you are now. From that point, you can do whatever bullshit bodybuilder routine you want if you still think it's wise, which you probably won't because you will have learned a bit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:24:00 No.10209991 Report

Quoted By: >>10210019

>>10209971
>>I know, no muscle at all
>>that's why I want to nkow if I should stick to the routine or start with SS right away.

I want to know how far I can get in 2 months

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:25:00 No.10209998 Report

Quoted By: >>10210021

>that feel when on bulk and eating at Wendys
>turns out guy your friendly with from gym work as the cook
>chat a little while then he hands me my bag of food and says "because youre on a bulk"
>didn't realize what he meant till I got home
>two pieces of grilled chicken, an extra order of fries and a baconator

...does he want to fuck...?

How do I repay him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:26:00 No.10210008 Report

Quoted By: >>10210043

>>10209989
So throw the routine away and start with SS?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:27:00 No.10210019 Report

Quoted By: >>10210042

>>10209991

Why the fuck do you want to know how far you can get in 2 months.

Get your ass on SS and keep lifting and eating until you start to stall in about 6mths time. If you're the sort of person who wants to get swole in a short period of time i swear to god I'm going to stop helping right now. Just get your ass on track and keep following that track

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:28:00 No.10210021 Report

Quoted By: >>10210062

>>10209998
Prepare to be anal raped.

no but seriously, start hanging out with him, get ot know him then get raped

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:30:00 No.10210040 Report

Quoted By: >>10210061

>>10209979

I think it's all the goddamn retarded tripfags that SS is shit that makes all the newcomers doubt it. I sure doubted it, but then I read Starting Strength and Practical Programming and it makes fantastic sense.

Truth is, novice lifters can progress with just about any program they pick because it's easy to stress your muscles and make them grow. SS is designed to take advantage of that fact. Plus, I would rather be strong as fuck and not have aesthetics, than be aesthetic and have to use the same pink faggot dumbbells my mother uses with her Jillian Michaels dvd.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:30:00 No.10210042 Report

Quoted By: >>10210065

>>10210019
Will do.

Tomorrow is supposed to be my off day since I did todays workout A. Should I go anyways or rest for wednesday?

I'm going to start reading on SS and the amount of kg to put on each excercise right away.

>> 3x5 or 5x5

Thanks!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:30:00 No.10210043 Report

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>>10210008

Yes. Also do SS properly, which means eating big, sleeping big, and not adding 400 different exercises because you thought it would be a good idea.

The biggest pitfall people have in the gym is spinning their wheels and wasting months because they change routines, they add exercises, they try rest-pausing, all in pursuit of the perfect routine. The thing is, they're sacrificing 'good' in pursuit of 'perfect'. If you follow a 'good' program exactly as it's set out and don't change a single thing for 6 months, you'll be miles ahead of those who spent those 6 months chasing perfect, and you'll have a much better idea of your goals and your body's quirks too

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:32:00 No.10210061 Report

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>>10210040

that say SS is*

fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:32:00 No.10210062 Report

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>>10210021
I only ordered a small asiago chicken sammich combo....he gave me like 10 bucks worth of food. My tight virgin ass is worth more than that...right?

>that feel when I think about his quads slapping against my glutes as he goes ball deep in my ass...
>damnit /fit/ what have you done to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:33:00 No.10210065 Report

Quoted By: >>10210093 >>10210094 >>10210115

>>10210042

SS is 3x5. Don't workout tomorrow. What you're going to do today and tomorrow is read that book literally cover to cover. Don't skip over anything assuming you know it, because I guarantee you don't, or you don't know it entirely.

So in the next day and a half you'll have read that book through, and you'll have practiced all the exercise form with a broomstick or whatever else you've got lying around the house. Then you'll find yourself a notepad or make an Excel document to track your progress.

If you do all this, then on wednesday you'll be better prepared than literally 75% of people who go to your gym

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:35:00 No.10210093 Report

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>>10210065
Or join fitocracy! Awesome for tracking lifts! Starting SS in january when I can afford a gym membership, would be cool to have a bro whose starting at the same place as me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:35:00 No.10210094 Report

Quoted By: >>10210137 >>10210315

>>10210065

That way, you won't come back in a week asking if you can add curls because the book deals with it

Adding chinups? the book deals with it

Starting to stall? the book deals with it

Not sure if you're eating enough? the book

etc etc etc

I would guess conservatively that 90% of SS related questions people ask of /fit/ are redundant, beacuse they're in the goddamned book

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:37:00 No.10210115 Report

Quoted By: >>10210172

>>10210065
You've helped me out a lot, thanks bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:39:00 No.10210132 Report

Quoted By: >>10210172

This has literally been the most helpful thread for me as a newcomer in my months and months of lurking here. Thank you all. Every other thread touching on beginner workouts has been SS LOL TREX MODE DONT DO SS FOR AESTHETICS LOL and progress pics of people who made no progress on SS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:39:00 No.10210137 Report

Quoted By: >>10210197

Here is Ripps book but in TL;DR version

>>10210094" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=998224&page=1>>10210094

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:40:00 No.10210146 Report

Quoted By: >>10210180 >>10210197

Posting in here because I am too lazy to start my own thread and find a picture, but someone answer my question!

What is the type of exercise called where it is like a circuit, but you never put down the weight. You move from one exercise to the next without stopping or the weight touching the ground.

Help!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:40:00 No.10210148 Report

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Mods can you sticky this thread?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:43:00 No.10210172 Report

Quoted By: >>10210191

>>10210115
>>10210132

No worries guys, glad I could be of assistance

Just to show you someone who SS worked for, I did SS, spun my wheels a bit chasing perfect programs, then came back to texas method and am settling in for the long haul.

After a year on SS->bullshit->TM:
Weight: 70kg->85kg
bf% remained constant at about 12-15% (had a sneaky cut after SS)
squat: 50kgx5 ->140kgx2
bench: 40kgx5 -> 95kgx2
dead: 60kgx5 -> 182kgx1
ohp: 20kgx5 -> 65kgx2 (push press)
chins: one -> 3x5 with 20kg

Unfortunately don't have pics :/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:43:00 No.10210176 Report

Quoted By: >>10210227

>>10209382
what the fuck are you talking about
what a fucking retard
no 1 has ever claimed this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:44:00 No.10210180 Report

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>>10210146

I don't know but it sounds like bullshit anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:44:00 No.10210191 Report

Quoted By: >>10210209

>>10210172
My push press is the same as yours but my bench is 20kg lower :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:45:00 No.10210197 Report

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>>10210137

I have shown above why a tl;dr version is the worst thing that people interested in SS should read

>>10210146

it's called a complex, and they're only for conditioning, not strength. If you aren't already big and strong you probably would be better saving yourself for lifting big and some sprints on your rest days

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:46:00 No.10210209 Report

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>>10210191

I have little girl shoulders haha, although texas method is already helping them out a lot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:47:00 No.10210219 Report

Quoted By: >>10210250

Does anybody have a link to Rips book?

I read that there where 2 editions.

>>Free online or downloadable please

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:47:00 No.10210227 Report

Quoted By: >>10210252

>>10210176
some tripfag in a thread claimed this literally 30 minutes ago. was saying SS was shit if you wanted aesthetics. he then posted his routine and pics which were completely laughable, he looked worse than me and I haven't started training yet. that making me realize they are full of shit, and this thread being helpful, are the most helpful things i've read on /fit/ since coming here as a beginner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:49:00 No.10210250 Report

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>>10210219

Go to /rs/, it's definitely there

Or see if a torrent for the 3rd edition has leaked yet

Starting Strength Basic Barbell Training, 3rd Edition

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:49:00 No.10210252 Report

Quoted By: >>10210291 >>10210305

>>10210227

lol was it DrakeSaint in a thread like an hour ago?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:53:00 No.10210291 Report

Quoted By: >>10210323

>>10210252

Hahaha drakesaint, I saw that thread

There should honestly be some form of system where you can be stripped of the right to a name and a trip if you're as retarded as him

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:54:00 No.10210305 Report

Quoted By: >>10210315 >>10210329

>>10210252
Yes.

Also while this helpful thread is still here, is it worth adding chins/pullups/dips/curls or not, or is it all in the book?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:55:00 No.10210315 Report

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>>10210305
>>10210094

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:56:00 No.10210323 Report

Quoted By: >>10210430

>>10210291

There is a way to filter the fuckers out, but I don't know how.
lol he was saying how SS was shit and then he posted his progress pics and the thread loled

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 08:56:00 No.10210329 Report

Quoted By: >>10210430

>>10210305

It's helpful, and it's all in the book

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:01:00 No.10210398 Report

Quoted By: >>10210476

STICKY THIS THREAD

let's archieve it better yet

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:03:00 No.10210430 Report

Quoted By: >>10210480

>>10210329
Awesome, now to wait for the 3rd edition to be uploaded. Will probs buy it when I have money but I think spending my money on a gym membership first would probs be best.

>>10210323
I think this board it's actually worth having tripfags, if they know what they are talking about you can trust their advice, rather than other boards where its solely to circlejerk. Obs there are bad ones too like that faggot drakesaint. I hate the idea of filtering them out in case I miss out on some important tidbit of info.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:07:00 No.10210476 Report

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>>10210398

http://chanarchive.org/requests

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:08:00 No.10210480 Report

Quoted By: >>10210511 >>10210559

>>10210430

Get the second edition now, even while you're waiting for the 3rd

Also, and THIS APPLIES TO EVERYONE HERE, get Practical Programming as well. You don't need to read it straight away because SS sets you on the right track, but PP is possibly the best book out there for how to program. If you're about 4 months down in SS and have read and understand PP, then you are so far on the right track that it isn't funny - you have the beginnings of a strength base, you know how to program to achieve your goals, and you can modify the SS programming as you start to stall to get the most progress out of it.

Honestly, the wisdom in PP plus a rudimentary knowledge of autoregulation principles is pretty much all you need to program for yourself for the rest of your lifting life. Combine that with some nutrition and biology like lyle mcdonald's stuff and fuck, you'd be set

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:09:00 No.10210494 Report

Quoted By: >>10210518 >>10210534

When did you guys stall?
Im on week 4 of SS and the lifts are getting hard as fuck.
Squat (high bar): 40->72.5kg
Bench: 45->60kg
Dead: 50->90kg
OHP: 25-> 32.5kg
Row: 40->50kg
With chins and dips added
5'11 ~74kg bw

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:10:00 No.10210511 Report

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Are you Zyzz?>>10210480

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:11:00 No.10210518 Report

Quoted By: >>10210542 >>10210571

>>10210494

You aren't eating enough, and you aren't sleeping enough.

Shouldn't even think about stalling for like 3 months

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:12:00 No.10210534 Report

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>>10210494

Also hard is good, failure is bad

Also,
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IT'S IN THE FUCKING BOOK

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:14:00 No.10210542 Report

Quoted By: >>10210556

>>10210518
Ok cheers any tips on sleeping?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:15:00 No.10210556 Report

Quoted By: >>10210599

>>10210542

Shut eyes. Sleep. Be prepared to not go out with your mates every now and then. Obey your alarm religiously even if you don't feel like it. Get lots of sunlight

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:15:00 No.10210559 Report

Quoted By: >>10210622

>>10210480
What changes will the 3rd edition have?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:16:00 No.10210571 Report

Quoted By: >>10210606

>>10210518
that's not true. if you were to lift for 3 months, not missing a workout, you would get 13 weeks * 3 = 39 training sessions. that means you would be squatting (assuming you started with the bar only and added 5 lbs per workout) 45 + 39*5 = 240 lbs.

show me examples of people barely squatting the bar and then getting to 240lbs in only 3 months.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:17:00 No.10210583 Report

Quoted By: >>10210622

Week 3 of SS
5'8
144 pounds
Bench : 135
Squat: 175
Deadlift: 195

Opinions?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:19:00 No.10210594 Report

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guys, vote for this shit please
http://chanarchive.org/requests

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:19:00 No.10210599 Report

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>>10210556
Useful trick for falling asleep: Lay in bed, close your eyes (and keep them closed) then try to stay awake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:20:00 No.10210606 Report

Quoted By: >>10210629

>>10210571

If the smallest increments your gym has is 2.5lbs plates, I suppose you'd have to resort to some sort of plan where you hit ~8 reps one workout then get the full 15 the next after adding weight

I had 1.25lbs plates so didn't stall in the first 3 months. Off memory Rip recommends going to a gym with smaller plates, or finding some, or as a last resort doing what I said above

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:20:00 No.10210613 Report

Quoted By: >>10210621 >>10210635

This thread needs Archieved

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://startingstrength.com/articles/pulling_mechanics2_rippetoe.
pdf

You are all welcome

SS 3rd edition!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:21:00 No.10210621 Report

Quoted By: >>10210635

>>10210613
http://startingstrength.com/articles/pulling_mechanics2_rippetoe.pdf

better link

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:21:00 No.10210622 Report

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>>10210583

You're in week 3. I have no opinion, except that you are fishing for complements

>>10210559

Different illustrations, different ways of explaining the lifts, I think somewhere in the realm of 30pg of new material? Be worth having a look when it comes out, but it's not going to be different enough to stop you getting a pirated copy of the 2nd edition now

Cabo Wabo !urS0ecb3M.

Cabo Wabo !urS0ecb3M. Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:23:00 No.10210627 Report

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Month 6 of SS
Bench 190 3x5
OHP 125 3X5
Squat 285 3x5

@165lbs 5'11"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:23:00 No.10210629 Report

Quoted By: >>10210664 >>10210680

>>10210606
well, i wasn't talking about myself, but my gym is even shittier than that, the smallest plates available are 2kg ones, 4.4lbs. so i have to progress even slower. i'm thinking about buying some 1 kg plates and carrying them with me to the gym

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:23:00 No.10210630 Report

Quoted By: >>10210664

>mfw doing Starting Strength for 3 months
>doing Starting Strength for 3 months
>Starting Strength for 3 months
>for 3 months

you might want to add 4 months on to that

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:23:00 No.10210635 Report

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>>10210613
>>10210621

Again, as has been said over and over in the thread, please don't put incomplete, extracts, or tl;dr's in front of SS beginners, because it provides an immense temptation to either only read the tl;dr, or to cobble together knowledge from a few of them, instead of reading one cohesive and complete source, being the full book

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:26:00 No.10210664 Report

Quoted By: >>10210675 >>10210679

>>10210629
Excellent idea. Else just take a few workouts to hit the reps with your new weights. Remember, if you get 8 total reps with a weight, and the next workout you get 15 total reps and so go up weight again, you aren't actually stalling, there's still progress

>>10210630
Said 3 months before first stall is encountered on SS, not 3 months total. Hopefully everyone realises its a 6-9mth commitment for maximal gains from the program

Cabo Wabo !urS0ecb3M.

Cabo Wabo !urS0ecb3M. Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:27:00 No.10210675 Report

Quoted By: >>10210696

>>10210664
So you should move one after about 7 months, and 9 months max?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:27:00 No.10210679 Report

Quoted By: >>10210696

>>10210664
8 totals reps, huh? so that would be something like 3, 3, 2? still doing 3 sets?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:27:00 No.10210680 Report

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>>10210629

Also, here's a quote straight from Rip:

"If you're deloading at all during the first three months, you're not doing the program correctly. DTPC [doing teh program correctly] requires smaller jumps than 5 pounds, especially for the upper-body exercises which are limited by smaller-sized muscle groups that cannot adapt to 5 pound jumps."

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:30:00 No.10210696 Report

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>>10210675
You should move on when you can no longer progress on SS and stall out on all lifts, even when you try a deload or a microload. It's the fastest gains you'll ever make so don't be quick to throw them away

>>10210679
Well don't intentionally go for that, just try to get your 3x5 and if you can't, then try to beat your reps next workout. Rip says a 'stall' is 3 consecutive failed workouts at the same weight, so if you go 5/2/0 then 5/4/3 then 5/5/5 you're still progressing (although I would SERIOUSLY recommend finding some way to make smaller weight jumps, or eating a lot more, if that's how close to stalling you are)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:31:00 No.10210699 Report

Quoted By: >>10210728

>mfw this still isn't archived
http://chanarchive.org/request_votes
http://chanarchive.org/request_votes
http://chanarchive.org/request_votes
http://chanarchive.org/request_votes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:36:00 No.10210725 Report

Quoted By: >>10210766

doing p90x for 4 months now, I feel good, adding weight training reps to it, then doing SS on January
mfw I am ready for this shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:36:00 No.10210728 Report

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>>10210699

>That feel when a thread you just started offering advice in turned into a forum of thoughtful and rational questions, and is now going to be archived for future SS beginners

There is hope for humanity

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:39:00 No.10210755 Report

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We are archieved people!

Finally a thread for noobs and lifting!!!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:41:00 No.10210766 Report

Quoted By: >>10210807

>>10210725
Why p90x may I ask?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:45:00 No.10210786 Report

Quoted By: >>10210841 >>10210865

Wait, this thread says absolutely nothing but "SS works" good things to do after, or even to start instead of SS are 5/3/1, Madcow, Texas Method, and suddenly it's archive worthy?

THIS JUST IN, KNOWN BEGINNER PROGRAMS WORK. TAKE YOUR PICK:

Starting Strength, Stronglifts, Madcow, 5/3/1, Texas Method (in order in best for beginners)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:47:00 No.10210807 Report

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>>10210766
why not? I didn't payed for it, I just gave it a try is OK, also that picture is such a flaw, every person's body is different to any workout, for me it works idk, is probably because I add more shit to it and I actually work out, also my meals and other stuff I keep them in line. Anyways I want to see this SS workout is all about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:50:00 No.10210832 Report

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ha ha ha i eat doodie

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:51:00 No.10210841 Report

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>>10210786

Firstly, your orders all wrong mate, highest value in a novice program is rate of progression. So while 5/3/1 is an excellent program, it's a bad choice for beginners due to low frequency and progression rate.

Stronglifts is just downright silly. It's a bastardised SS made by a man who doesn't even look like he lifts, and uses 5x5 linear instead of 3x5 linear (SS) or 5x5 periodised (madcow and texas). You stall quickly on it. Also has silly exercise choices

Madcow and texas, while being great programs in their own right, are again too slow for beginners. Why progress weekly when you can progress 3x weekly thanks to you being new to the gym

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:54:00 No.10210865 Report

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>>10210786
no one doubted it worked for strength on the main lifts, it's just there is so much misinformation floating around /fit/ about trex mode, not doing ss for aesthetics, ss + gomad makes you fat, you won't see gains on ss, just CNS improvements, all this kind of crap puts beginners off of it.
Pointing out some of the stuff that is in the ss book that you wouldn't realize is useful, such as chins and curls etc. Knowing the ss is a solid platform for whichever direction you want to go in is reassuring for beginners, and this thread generally just sorts the crap from the true. It's not revolutionary but this thread will help beginners realize what they should be doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 09:57:00 No.10210881 Report

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>mfw i did SS for end of school/summer
>mfw when my bench went up a good 50lb, deadlift went up 100+, squat went up 100+, OHP went up 30+, hang clean went up 50+

FUCK YES, too bad i have XC and track

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 10:03:00 No.10210929 Report

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post ss success stories / progress pics

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 10:06:00 No.10210962 Report

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http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2455158/60988272/

ss 2nd ed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 10:11:00 No.10211010 Report

Quoted By: >>10211047

What should I do after SS? I'm looking to get noticeably bigger and also stronger at the same time. I'm still really confused...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 10:14:00 No.10211047 Report

Quoted By: >>10211060

>>10211010

If you did SS properly, a 5x5 like madcow or texas method will get you both bigger and stronger the quickest. From there 5/3/1 for monster mode, or an autoregulated push/pull split for hypertrophy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 10:15:00 No.10211060 Report

Quoted By: >>10211170

>>10211047

However I suspect the way you're talking that you didn't actually complete SS properly. Stats?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 10:27:00 No.10211170 Report

Quoted By: >>10211202

>>10211060
You mean the confused guy? I didn't complete SS yet, I'm just future tracking for when I do.

Haven't even stalled on it yet. I'm actually the OP.

If you want my stats...

Beginning:
Squat: 135 3x5 (improper form)
Deadlift 135 1x5 (improper form)
Bench: 115 3x5
OHP: 75 3x5
DB Rows: 65 3x5
Dips: 2x6 unweighted

After 3 months 1 week on SS, all with proper form and depth:
Squat: 240 3x5
Deadlift: 265 3x5 (it could be higher but my grip gives out at 275)
Bench: 160 3x5
OHP: 100 3x5
DB Rows: 85 3x5
Dips: 2x8 w/ 25lb

I asked how long I should stay on SS before and people told me until I stalled twice and reracked twice, and I haven't stalled yet so I'm going to keep going!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 10:31:00 No.10211202 Report

Quoted By: >>10211240

>>10211170

Oh soz, thought it was the post of someone who had finished SS.

Great progress, what sort of bodyweight are you at?

Even if you stall 3 times with one lift but others are going up, stay on SS because they're the fastest gains you'll make, pretty much milk it dry (read practical programming over the coming months to see how) before abandoning it

Then I would say texas method then 5/3/1. You'll be fucking strong and only a baby cut away from aesthetics. You'll have monster shoulders and back too

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 10:36:00 No.10211240 Report

Quoted By: >>10211265

>>10211202
Excellent, big shoulders makes for a great frame. Also, I'm 5'9 1/2 and only about 164 lbs, I started at about 158-160. I'm pretty sure 2 lbs of that is from the recently sugar intake I've had though...over the past week I've been eating a shitton of candy at night because I get hungry. I stopped that recently so over the next few weeks I'm guessing my weight will go down and my bodyfat will get lower too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 10:40:00 No.10211265 Report

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>>10211240

If your lifts are performed with good form then they are excellent for your weight and for 3 months, the sort of stats that people on retarded programs take a year to get to.

This is exactly what people need to see when they play SS vs split. Nowhere else will you gain this quick and have room to gain so much more in the coming months

I feel you'll smash my lifts soon, fml. Don't even worry about putting fat on, you've got plenty of wiggle room before you start looking shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 10:40:00 No.10211270 Report

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As said prior, move to madcow when you can't keep up with the SS strength increments anymore. Don't start it unless you can finish it, madcow is fucking rape as of week 4 or 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 10:50:00 No.10211358 Report

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>>10209657

>week 5 of SS, squatting 220lbs

nice work I guess. took me 30 weeks to get there and I've been stalling ever since. atg though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 10:56:00 No.10211410 Report

Quoted By: >>10211446

>>10209657
>Squat 220
>DL 180

Not going anywhere near low enough on your squats...and DLs should be easy for you since you're tall...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 10:59:00 No.10211446 Report

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>>10211410
Yeah, gotta keep an eye on them abnormally high beginner squats.

Seriously, everyone I gym with is like 'U ONLY SQUAT 1 PLATE11111????!?' and then proceed to do 1/2 squats at 200+lbs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 11:39:00 No.10211803 Report

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Been on SS for 3~ months now
Before and Afters in lbs:
Squats - 100 to 225
Bench - 45 to 115
Deadlift - 100 to 215
OHP - 45 to 85

I'm thinking of resetting a bit on squats for form and to get my gains on the other lifts up. What say you /fit/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 11:48:00 No.10211868 Report

Quoted By: >>10212192

mfw I'm doing SS for the 2nd time and just dropped my squat weight to fix my ATG form which is now the same as my OHP

mfw people complain about no upper body gains from SS and I will be hitting a 1.5x BW bench press in a couple of weeks

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2011 12:35:00 No.10212192 Report

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>>10211868
>mfw you have no face

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