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Anonymous !oXYCvdd.bg Tue 17 Jan 2012 20:33:00 No.10757031 View View Reply Original Report

ITT: OLY LIFTS
Any tips on how to learn olympic lifts without a coach/team?
I am really inflexible and have a hard time with front squats (tight triceps and old shoulder injury)
Any tips for stretches etc would be very welcome

Also; anyone know where to DL this? seems like good stuff
http://davedraper.com/blog/2010/12/14/glenn-pendlay-olympic-lifting-techniques-dvd/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 20:39:00 No.10757087 Report

Quoted By: >>10757129 >>10757214

My personal recommendation is as such:

Work on your flexibility, active stretching and joint mobility (Convict Conditioning 2, and the two stretching books by Pavel are good for this)

Read some articles on T-Nation, and go read the Q&A on John Broz website (If you want 'em I'll link you to some articles I've gotten good things out of)

Get the Olympic Lifting DVD by Brooks Kubik. I took his progression system and made it my own, then ran with it. If you'd like, I can hook you up with a mediafire link.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 20:43:00 No.10757129 Report

Quoted By: >>10757223

>>10757087
Would be very much appreciated kind anon!

Pas

Pas Tue 17 Jan 2012 20:53:00 No.10757214 Report

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>>10757087
Torrent for DVD?
And read beginner articles on Pendlay's site, watch form videos loads, record yourself loads.
Work from the hang until you perfect that, then above the knee, then just below knee, then from floor. Only move on when you've perfected previous stage.
Do snatch & clean pulls before other work on same lift to help discourage elbow bending too early.
Stretch

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 20:53:00 No.10757223 Report

Quoted By: >>10759027

>>10757129

http://www.mediafire.com/?w6qct6k6pv6at8k
http://www.mediafire.com/?f27s77dmca5k3o2

The books I recommended are in those links.

Couldn't up the video because I don't have an account. But, you can grab it from demonoid even if you have no account. It is a long torrent though, so be prepared.

http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/1571893/22115115/ <-- Video.

Related links:

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/max_out_on_squats_every_day

http://www.averagebroz.com/ABG/Q_%26_A/Q_%26_A.html

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/a_beautiful_snatch;jses
sionid=CBA6A16D197D3F4B83770CD1D61DB127-mcd01.hydra

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/troubleshooting_the_front_squat

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/cleans_and_snatches_made_easier

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 20:55:00 No.10757240 Report

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>>10757031

Greg Everett has a nice book available on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Olympic-Weightlifting-Complete-Athletes-Coaches/dp/0980011116/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UT
F8&qid=1326815647&sr=8-1

That's been really helpful for me to learn without a coach. It's got routines for all skill levels as well as providing instruction on how to preform the lifts. Really worth it if you'd like to get a little more serious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 20:57:00 No.10757256 Report

Quoted By: >>10757279

Thank you very much anons
Suddenly faith in /fit/ is restored!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 20:58:00 No.10757275 Report

Quoted By: >>10757289 >>10757294 >>10757310

>Any tips on how to learn olympic lifts without a coach/team?
No, because you need one.

You are 100% guaranteed to do them wrong if learning on your own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 20:58:00 No.10757279 Report

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>>10757256

A good rule of thumb for /fit/ is: If they do Strongman, Oly Lifting, Powerlifting, or Dino style stuff, their advice is usually legit. Usually. But beware me hearties, for thar be bro science, bro science errywhere in the sea of /fit/faggery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 20:59:00 No.10757289 Report

Quoted By: >>10757452

>>10757275

A wonderful, wonderful example of the bullshit mentioned above.

Isley !oXYCvdd.bg

Isley !oXYCvdd.bg Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:00:00 No.10757294 Report

Quoted By: >>10757452

>>10757275

I'd like a word with you.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:01:00 No.10757310 Report

Quoted By: >>10757452 >>10757474

>>10757275
>thinks your form have to be 110% to do oly lifts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:17:00 No.10757452 Report

Quoted By: >>10757465 >>10757489 >>10757496

>>10757289
>>10757294
>>10757310
Enjoy your bad form, fucked up shoulders, shredded IT bands, damaged wrists, and poor numbers.

Maybe it's just me, but if I'm gonna do something, I want to be good at it, and you need a coach if you want to be good at olympic lifting. No debate.

Pas

Pas Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:18:00 No.10757465 Report

Quoted By: >>10757589

>>10757452
>dem poor numbers
http://www.youtube.com/user/IsleyNumber1#p/u/0/F3icphwm-UM

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:19:00 No.10757474 Report

Quoted By: >>10757511

>>10757310
>do roids
>who gives a shit about form?

Isley !oXYCvdd.bg

Isley !oXYCvdd.bg Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:20:00 No.10757489 Report

Quoted By: >>10757589

>>10757452

Define good. One could hit 120/150 at 85 whilst holding down a full time job if you stuck at it. No, you won't go to the olympics without a coach, but I think you're missing the point.

You can be good at something, and it's still worth doing even if you are never going to be the best. Also, I don't think you even lift.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:21:00 No.10757496 Report

Quoted By: >>10757589

>>10757452
your form dont have to be 100% perfect. and flexibility is obviously mandatory when doing oly lifts.

also if you say oly lifts are dangerous without perfect form. then why dont you travel to EliteFTS or luie simmons to get your squat, bench and deadlift 100%. because, you know.... you might break your spine if its not 100% perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:23:00 No.10757511 Report

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>>10757474
where in my post does it say that i recomend shit form? i only said you dont need a totally perfect form. if you lift heavy your form WONT be perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:30:00 No.10757589 Report

Quoted By: >>10757609 >>10757618 >>10757656

>>10757465
Are you kidding me? Have you seen his other videos?

Look at his snatch. It is totally foobar, even at 80kg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Xib0RMkZ8

His jerk is atrocious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqdBUrnDfKs

He falls on his toes all the time, even in oly shoes. You've given me a very good example of a very bad lifter.

Anybody strong enough can clean a big amount

>>10757489
Good as in not bad. There's lots of things to look for in oly lifts; you ought to know and be able to identify them. My life revolved around lifting three years ago. I've competed in several powerlifting competitions and had olympic lifting training but never competed. My numbers were average.

>>10757496
If you're gonna do something, you do it right.

I'm assuming you guys know this channel already, but if not: http://www.youtube.com/user/brozknows

Pas

Pas Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:31:00 No.10757609 Report

Quoted By: >>10757631 >>10757666

>>10757589
His form isn't as bad as you make it out to be. And surprisingly enough some people may actually enjoy cleaning and snatching.

Isley !oXYCvdd.bg

Isley !oXYCvdd.bg Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:32:00 No.10757618 Report

Quoted By: >>10757666

>>10757589

Form improves over time. My older videos are atrocious. Because I was learning.

CoBrah !!zjf/RX5add6

CoBrah !!zjf/RX5add6 Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:33:00 No.10757631 Report

Quoted By: >>10757657 >>10757707

>>10757609
I think this guy is, up to some extent, right, its gonna be a pain in the ass to learn decent (notice not perfect) oly lifting by yourself, and probably a pain in the body too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:35:00 No.10757656 Report

Quoted By:

>>10757589
yes, and doing it very good is doing it right.
there are some technique mistakes that is dangerous and some that is pretty harmless, but gives you less then optimal leverages.

people can and will do oly lifting by themselfs, and getting the book from gregg everett is a pretty good start. you dont NEED a coach, or perfect form. even oly champions dont have perfect form when lifting heavy. stop fooling yourself.

Pas

Pas Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:35:00 No.10757657 Report

Quoted By: >>10757684

>>10757631
It's still fun. And I really feel good after I record myself and can see my form improving.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:36:00 No.10757666 Report

Quoted By: >>10757702

>>10757609
Cleaning and snatching are the funnest damn lifts in the Universe.. but only truly satisfying if you do them right.

>>10757618
Didn't know it was you. I used to have videos of me lifting but deleted my account because my wife made me (bitch mode achieved). You just need a complete technique overhaul.. you're strong, but olympic lifts being strong is only 40% of the battle.. technique and speed is what you need

CoBrah !!zjf/RX5add6

CoBrah !!zjf/RX5add6 Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:37:00 No.10757684 Report

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>>10757657
I completely agree, I regret not having the time anymore, but I am confident that if it wasnt for my coach at the gym it would have taken me infinitely more to accmplished thelittle I did in 2 months, and I am weak and all that, but I fucking have perfect form, which I think is mostly due to good retroalimentation (is this even a word?) between me and my friend at the gym.

Anyhow, its not impossible, but I think you guys make it sound easier than it actually is.

Isley !oXYCvdd.bg

Isley !oXYCvdd.bg Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:39:00 No.10757702 Report

Quoted By:

>>10757666

Look at the recent vids, the 90kg snatch and 130kg clean. That's the pinnacle of my technique, I barely even lift anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:39:00 No.10757707 Report

Quoted By: >>10757716

>>10757631

>Implying ass is not part of the body

CoBrah !!zjf/RX5add6

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CoBrah !!zjf/RX5add6 Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:40:00 No.10757716 Report

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>>10757707

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 21:57:00 No.10757914 Report

Quoted By: >>10760923

OP here.
Ofc I understand the difficulties with learning proper form solo, but my current gym is a cesspool with only curlbrahs & cardiobunnies errywhere.

Gonna swap gym to a powerlifting/athletic/oly-gym in 6 months when my current subscription runs out. So figure I could at least start and learn the basic moves, work on my flexibility etc. before I start to train with real lifters.
Have friends that are into oly/powerlifting and they can help me with form videos/spot on a technique day etc. so no biggie there.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2012 23:24:00 No.10759027 Report

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>>10757223
You are a gentleman and a scholar

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Anonymous Wed 18 Jan 2012 01:28:00 No.10760499 Report

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Good info, deserves a bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jan 2012 01:33:00 No.10760567 Report

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please, someone need to archive this!

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Anonymous Wed 18 Jan 2012 01:45:00 No.10760732 Report

Quoted By: >>10760840 >>10760894

Already voted here, need 3 more
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Anonymous Wed 18 Jan 2012 01:53:00 No.10760840 Report

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>>10760732
i also did my part

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jan 2012 01:59:00 No.10760894 Report

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>>10760732

one more

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Anonymous Wed 18 Jan 2012 02:01:00 No.10760923 Report

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>>10757914

I Olympic lift, I enjoy it very much. I know Power Cleans are a part of Starting Strength. But I think Olympic lifting isn't as much a way to get strong as an application of strength.

If you don't have a teacher (or at least a willingness/ability to post videos on youtube and get critiques), you're just going to learn bad technique, what's the point? I would just work on getting stronger. Later, you can work on getting your technique down. Get your front squat up, additionally work on deadlift and back squats. If your OHP sucks work on it, in general I would emphasize OHP over bench press.

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great white !A.apfipZk6 Wed 18 Jan 2012 02:10:00 No.10761013 Report

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Yes it's possible to learn on your own through trial and error, but why? Just spend on some coaching and learn right the first time. The biggest issue with learning on your own is you will do something wrong, and if you ever want to relearn correctly it will be much more difficult to unlearn those training scars and bad habits. Even Broz in the interview takes one of the best oly lifters in the US and has him only use a stick for months, since the only way to relearn at that point is to start from scratch, where if you were new in the first place you have no preconceived notions or habits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jan 2012 02:11:00 No.10761028 Report

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it is much easier to learn the Power versions

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