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Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:25:00 No.7212553 View View Reply Original Report

This is what humans were made to eat. None of that 6-11 servings of grain. Seriously, think about it, we evolved to eat meat and a few vegetables.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:27:00 No.7212569 Report

Quoted By: >>7212793

shutup op. look at the real food pyramid. it says 6-11 servings so tht has 2 be right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:28:00 No.7212578 Report

Quoted By: >>7212793

its pretty obvious that if the usda said its healthy for you then it is as they have scientests working for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:29:00 No.7212580 Report

Quoted By: >>7212615 >>7212793

Oh boy its this argument. We've been eating grains for 100,000 years.

Anonymous

op

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:29:00 No.7212587 Report

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Our bodies were made to eat meat and vegetables. not carbs and more carbs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:32:00 No.7212615 Report

Quoted By: >>7212621 >>7212647

>>7212580
>>7212580
>>7212580
herp durppp i think you meant 10,000 ... and seeing as we have been around for 200,000 years as modern humans its still clear that we're not meant to eat them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:33:00 No.7212621 Report

Quoted By: >>7212793

>>7212615
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6834609/Porridge-was-eaten-100000-years-ago.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:37:00 No.7212647 Report

Quoted By: >>7212657

>>7212615
well obviously we ate some grains, but agriculture in general didnt start until 10,000 bc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_agriculture

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:39:00 No.7212657 Report

Quoted By: >>7212761 >>7212793

>>7212647
We're not talking about agriculture, we're talking about the consumption of grains, which you think we shouldn't do because we weren't designed to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:39:00 No.7212663 Report

Quoted By: >>7212708 >>7212793

early humans and human ancestors ate about 85% plant material, I don't know where the fuck all this bullshit came from

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:44:00 No.7212708 Report

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>>7212663
Humans ate 85% plant material right? care to tell us where you got this information. also plant material isnt grains. and doesnt always imply lots of carbs

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Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:48:00 No.7212761 Report

Quoted By: >>7212791

>>7212657
>designed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:50:00 No.7212791 Report

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>>7212761
...what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:51:00 No.7212793 Report

Quoted By: >>7212818

>>7212663
>>7212657
>>7212621
>>7212580
>>7212578
>>7212569
watch the movie Fat Head. that is all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:53:00 No.7212818 Report

Quoted By: >>7212830

>>7212793
holy shit that movie was the worst piece of bro science/tricky facts and shit, don't take anything in that movie seriously, if you are unable to see through that shit then... go watch fox news or something

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:54:00 No.7212822 Report

Quoted By: >>7212844 >>7212878

this thread is so full of retard

YFW you realize the original food guide pyramid was created by the department of agriculture

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:55:00 No.7212830 Report

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>>7212818
how is that even remotely bro science. that wasnt my post that said to watch it but he does make some very good points

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:56:00 No.7212844 Report

Quoted By: >>7212856

>>7212822
implying that if the government says it its right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:57:00 No.7212856 Report

Quoted By: >>7212878

>>7212844
>implying exactly the opposite of what you said
>implying you can imply without greentexting

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 23:59:00 No.7212878 Report

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>>7212822
>>7212856
so are you agree with what op is saying?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:17:00 No.7213072 Report

Quoted By: >>7213295

you guys should check Sally Fallon and the Weston A price foundation and what they have to say about food - you can look for Nourishing Traditional Diets in Demonoid

http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2049574/7268784/

Not trolling here but people need only around 10-15 percent of calories to come from carbs. I personally live on 5% which is around 20 grams for me 150 grams of protein and the rest to 3000 kcal is fat. Pure nice saturated fat ;) cos its good for you (check out cholesterol and its connection to hormones)

Regards

manlet !/EmXlZKiCc

manlet !/EmXlZKiCc Mon 02 May 2011 00:20:00 No.7213116 Report

Quoted By: >>7213198

OP is pretty much right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:26:00 No.7213198 Report

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>>7213116
Thank you

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:28:00 No.7213222 Report

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>ancient humans managing to catch and eat shrimp

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:29:00 No.7213231 Report

Quoted By: >>7213268 >>7215756

>eat like a Neanderthal
>have an average lifespan of 30 years

SOUDS GREAT OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:30:00 No.7213238 Report

Quoted By:

why are berries and fruit considered two separate categories?

manlet !/EmXlZKiCc

manlet !/EmXlZKiCc Mon 02 May 2011 00:32:00 No.7213268 Report

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>>7213231
>no modern medicine
>much more dangerous environment
>at times scarce food

Sound analysis bro.

Not to mention that we know from fossil records that the humans who settled down with agriculture enjoyed worse health compared to those who were hunter-gatherers. The only reason they survived was that they had food for scarce periods.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:32:00 No.7213269 Report

Quoted By: >>7213430 >>7215088

The documentary Fat Head bases is several arguments on a very well understood and study backed relationship between carbs, sugar and insulin production/resistance. If you want to understand that science, read some of Dr. Eades' books (be was one of the M.D.s interviewed in the documentary).

Personally, by following a diet protocol that uses this science as it's bedrock foundation, I have lost 230 lbs in a year and a half and seen my vitals go from heart attack in 5-10 years to perfect. Not saying my results will be replicated by anyone, but it is what this "bro-science" has done for me.

I highly recommend it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:34:00 No.7213295 Report

Quoted By: >>7213604

>>7213072
>saturated fat
>implying cholesterol isn't in unsaturated, omega-3/6, etc fat

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:41:00 No.7213376 Report

Quoted By: >>7213392 >>7213397

Goddamnit, you paleo diet caveman-idolizing fucktards need to get off the damn computer. We weren't "meant" to sit here all day on 4chan all day, after all, it's unnatural!! And move out of your house and sleep on the ground in the woods, because that's "how the cavemen did it." Don't wear clothes either, because our ancestors didn't wear clothes and they just cause problems.

manlet !/EmXlZKiCc

manlet !/EmXlZKiCc Mon 02 May 2011 00:43:00 No.7213392 Report

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>>7213376
Cool false analogies bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:43:00 No.7213397 Report

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>>7213376

Perfect example of a post without substance. It belongs on /fit/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:46:00 No.7213430 Report

Quoted By: >>7213561

>>7213269

Did you go full Keto, or just moderate and maintain 2k calories while eating whatever you wanted?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:56:00 No.7213561 Report

Quoted By: >>7213596 >>7214987

>>7213430

I went full keto, which is not very difficult to do. Lots of veggies were basically my only carb source, 4 cups daily. Lots of whey protein isolate to keep them muscles. Also, while some fat is good, don't go full retard and lard up thinking it's healthy just because you need SOME fat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:59:00 No.7213596 Report

Quoted By: >>7213769

>>7213561

When you say whey protein isolate, you are talking about shakes?

I started keto a couple days ago, I'm eating basically deli meats, cheddar cheese, chicken breast, pork loin.

I hadn't considered drinking more than one shake a day, maybe I should.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:59:00 No.7213604 Report

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>>7213295
what I meant is that the general advise from doctors and such is - "avoid saturated fat cos of the cholesterol" which is bullshit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:02:00 No.7213637 Report

Quoted By: >>7214944

>early humans were nomads, they followed the heard
>after glaciers melted, an abundance of lakes provided homes for fishing communities
>this in turn lead to irrigation and farming of variouse things
>Meat comes first, followed by everything else

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:13:00 No.7213761 Report

Quoted By: >>7213769 >>7213798

Hey, all those animal sources of protein you listed are great, and I too eat heavy amounts of chicken breast, pork loin, eggs and fish.

For me, whey protein isolate is a fantastic source of efficiently assimilated, high biological value protein and a great way to keep my protein intake at adequate levels per pound of lean muscle. Shake in the morning for breakfast and shake immediately before bed, animal source proteins and veggies for lunch and dinner. Can't go wrong.

Don't go crazy with the eggs and cheese though. You'd be surprised how many extra grams of fat and extra calories they put in front of your keto burn. Just consume adequate good fats, nothing more, for best keto burn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:14:00 No.7213769 Report

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>>7213761
This was directed at:

>>7213596

This.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:17:00 No.7213798 Report

Quoted By: >>7213806 >>7213903

>>7213761

... AND, go easy on cold cuts (aka deli-meats) and stick with stuff you yourself cook for better fat content control.

Use Olive Oil when cooking. Don't go retarded on salad dressing and drown salad in it. Pick any you like that has less than 4 carbs per serving or there abouts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:18:00 No.7213806 Report

Quoted By: >>7213862

>>7213798
why cut out deli meats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:23:00 No.7213862 Report

Quoted By: >>7213896 >>7213907

>>7213806

Not cut out, but limit. Higher fat content in them relative to something like a chicken breast. Plus they are very heavily salted with table salt, which is just garbage for you. Get you some unbleached sea salt and use it instead from a health food store or online.

For instance, rather than eat 8oz deli pastrami for lunch, an 8oz chicken breast cooked with olive oil and sugarless/carbless spices is far preferable (or pork chop).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:27:00 No.7213896 Report

Quoted By: >>7214077

>>7213862
hm.

I need to go shopping soon. What kind of veggies you recommend?

Also, how many shakes do you drink a day? 2? 3?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:28:00 No.7213903 Report

Quoted By: >>7213933

>>7213798

Never never NEVER cook with unsaturated fat (olive oil, macademia oil etc.) it defeats the purpose. When you heat up an unsaturated fat it becomes chemically active and binds to whatever is around and becomes a transfat which is the worst kind.

If you want to cook with fat only use saturated fats - they are chemically stable (hence saturated - they dont have space for other chemicals) and wont become some unnatural fats by binding to whatever chemicals are in the meat you're cooking

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:28:00 No.7213907 Report

Quoted By: >>7213934 >>7214047

>>7213862

Unbleached sea salt I cannot stress enough. It will help your electrolytes remain at great balanced levels, provide you with good minerals, and best of all, help you to PISS out the at least a gallon of water a day you should be drinking. More water + UNBLEACHED sea salt + keto burn = PISS OUT THE FAT LIKE A CHAMP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:30:00 No.7213933 Report

Quoted By: >>7213998

>>7213903

This is a myth. Period.

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manlet !/EmXlZKiCc Mon 02 May 2011 01:30:00 No.7213934 Report

Quoted By: >>7213971

>>7213907
please elaborate on what is bad about normal table salt versus 'unbleached sea salt'

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:32:00 No.7213965 Report

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>Extreme broscience diets

Yeah, the USDA pyramid is silly , you don't need 8 servings of carbs a day, (maybe unless you're a pro athlete). But there's not sufficient evidence to eat so few carbs, just the same as the whole low fat thing was a fad in the 1990s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:32:00 No.7213971 Report

Quoted By: >>7214003 >>7214061

>>7213934

Outside of what I already mentioned as being good about it, white bleached table salt is non of those. 5 minutes on google can tell you more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:34:00 No.7213998 Report

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>>7213933

Actually it is called science. Assuming that you're intelligent enough to read and "google" stuff - google that shit and see for your self.

As a side note and something to think about Why is the best olive oil called "cold pressed olive oil"

manlet !/EmXlZKiCc

manlet !/EmXlZKiCc Mon 02 May 2011 01:34:00 No.7214003 Report

Quoted By: >>7214061 >>7214099

>>7213971
I'm not going to google that because it will be 99% sea salt selling websites.

>It will help your electrolytes remain at great balanced levels
So will normal salt

>provide you with good minerals
What minerals?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:37:00 No.7214047 Report

Quoted By: >>7214122

>>7213907
a gallon of water?

really?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:38:00 No.7214061 Report

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>>7214003
I have to agree with>>7213971

Basically the normal sea salt has more minerals in it than the bleached one - which is just NaCl. It should also have some chemical "impurities" which change the color but are also good for you. however white looks better

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:39:00 No.7214077 Report

Quoted By: >>7214191

>>7213896

Its all about getting the right amount of protein good sir. However you do it is up to you. You could replace breakfast and lunch protein servings with whey protein isolate if you wanted and take a shake before bed, but that is all up to what will help you not fall off the cart and stay in keto (aka not break your diet and eat a cupcake).

>>7213896

Stay away from starchy veggies and veggies with high levels of natural sugar (aka carbs). Broccoli, zucchini, yellow squash, kale, radish, shrooms, green peppers, raw onion, bok choy, stuff like that I eat all the time. Do a google search on any veggies you wanna try to make sure they aren't full of sugar such as carrots. If you ate 4 cups of carrots everyday, your keto burn will grind to a HALT from all the sugar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:41:00 No.7214099 Report

Quoted By: >>7214397

>>7214003

>I'm not going to google that because it will be 99% sea salt selling websites

Then do some good old fashioned college level research. Don't be lazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:44:00 No.7214122 Report

Quoted By: >>7214134

>>7214047

Sure. More water = more piss = flushing out maximum fat during keto burn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:45:00 No.7214134 Report

Quoted By:

>>7214122

And sea salt to keep your fat piss flowing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:49:00 No.7214191 Report

Quoted By: >>7214365

>>7214077

One more thing. Since sugar fucks a keto burn, you will obviously not be eating fruit or berries. Get yourself a good anti-oxy supplement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:03:00 No.7214365 Report

Quoted By: >>7214554

>>7214191

How long until keto burn starts? It's only been a couple days for me, and I don't have ketostix.

Should I get them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:07:00 No.7214397 Report

Quoted By: >>7214516

>>7214099

To be honest, if you want to defend your side of the argument, burden is proof is on you. Then again, if he wants to actually learn about the health benefits and not just be some crybaby troll bitching about nothing, he can look it up himself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:18:00 No.7214516 Report

Quoted By: >>7214554 >>7214555

>>7214397

That may be, if he were arguing that anything I said is false. However, what he actually said is, I'm not going to look it up for myself, you tell me why what you said is right. I'm all for correct information, but I'm not giving out a nutrition lesson to someone that lazy. Check my claims and know for yourself.

Starting your diet will burn up your glycogen stores in 2-3 days. Then, you'll go into full blown keto burn, which will take a week or so if I remember right for your body to adjust to using ketones for fuel at maximum level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:20:00 No.7214554 Report

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>>7214516

Last part was sent for:

>>7214365

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:20:00 No.7214555 Report

Quoted By: >>7214607

>>7214516
brb making lunch 4 eggs and a pork loin.

Anything else I should add to that?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:24:00 No.7214594 Report

Quoted By: >>7215511 >>7215677

Grains:

Dense in calories coming from carbohydrates. Low in vitamins and minerals. High in anti-nutrients that block the absorption of minerals. High in lectins, which are linked to many modern diseases such as inflammation, degeneration of joint cartilage and other nasty shit. This kind of food did not play a major role in human evolution, as evidenced by analysis of teeth of ancient human remains, and by applying some basic logical thinking. Grains that have not been domesticated, are just not a good and sustainable source of energy. They take too much time and energy to collect, versus the energy gained. On top of that, grains are only available in specific climates and for a specific period of time in the year. It stands to reason that grains could only have supplied a negligible part of the nutrition and energy needed by ancient humans.

Animal products(From healthy, free range animals):

Moderate caloric density, depending largely on the type of product. High in essential proteins and fatty acids, the building blocks of the human body. Very high in vitamins and minerals, infact, all required nutrients can be found in animal products. This is the stuff that allowed us to go from braindead morons to the most intellectually advanced species on Earth, by being high in calories and micro nutrients per volume, allowing us to grow smaller digestive systems and instead utilize that energy to build massive, powerful brains.

Conclusion drawn by Government: The majority of your daily calories should come from heart healthy wholesome whole grains! xD

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:24:00 No.7214607 Report

Quoted By: >>7214672 >>7214738

>>7214555

Yeah 2 cups veggies. good 40+ grams of protein there so ur doing good.

Me I'm not a fan of tons of eggs just cuz their nutritional value of them gets worse and worse the more you cook them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:29:00 No.7214672 Report

Quoted By: >>7214730

>>7214607
broccoli work?

Btw, you are the first anon i've seen with good keto advice. You mind if i give you my e-mail address so i can contact you and ask you questions if i need?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:32:00 No.7214711 Report

Quoted By: >>7214805 >>7215100

>>7212553
>This is what humans were made to eat. None of that 6-11 servings of grain. Seriously, think about it, we evolved to eat meat and a few vegetables.
>Seriously, think about it, we evolved to eat meat and a few vegetables.
Since we have started producing grains and grain related products the human populacy didn't expand explosively didn't it? The human race is growing TOO fast and too good. We can are at the top of evolution. We are so efficient at producing energy to store in our bodies we can carry loads of excess energy for when food is scarce. The problem is, food is never scarce because we're so efficient at producing it.

Grains have helped evolve the human population by such a big amount .. It has been only 10.000 year since we've started making grains but damn, just look at them numbers shooting up. Grains are a good, cheap and storeable source of energy. I don't and never will claim that they are healthy but these are the facts you must understand before you go hurr durr grains r baddy for u

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:33:00 No.7214730 Report

Quoted By: >>7214768

>>7214672

Broccoli is KING.

Not trying to be a dick, but I'm not giving or receiving emails for keto advise. You just make sure to go pick up this book.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0446678678/qid=1148257855/sr=1-3?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

This should become your Bible when it comes to understanding your diet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:34:00 No.7214738 Report

Quoted By: >>7214846

>>7214607
>Me I'm not a fan of tons of eggs just cuz their nutritional value of them gets worse and worse the more you cook them.
So much bullshit. Raw eggs bioav. is about 50% while cooked eggs are around 90% (highest source around).

>Starting your diet will burn up your glycogen stores in 2-3 days. Then, you'll go into full blown keto burn, which will take a week or so if I remember right for your body to adjust to using ketones for fuel at maximum level.
Semi-bullshit. Your body will run through it's glycogen stores in around 1 day (1-2 days depending on physical activity, carb load and exercise level). After that your body will have to shift over to ketones for fuel, this is where you'll feel foggy. This takes one day or so for your body to fully adjust to ketones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:36:00 No.7214768 Report

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>>7214730
Fair enough, worth a shot.

I'll check that out. Friend of mine had me read a couple books by Gary Taubes as well.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:39:00 No.7214802 Report

Quoted By: >>7214905

>these retards still do keto

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:39:00 No.7214805 Report

Quoted By: >>7214887

>>7214711
>Grains are a good, cheap and storeable source of energy. I don't and never will claim that they are healthy but these are the facts you must understand before you go hurr durr grains r baddy for u

Are you retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:39:00 No.7214815 Report

Quoted By:

> implying humans evolved

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:42:00 No.7214846 Report

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>>7214738

Look, the more raw the yolk is,the better it is for you. You can look this up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:43:00 No.7214849 Report

Quoted By: >>7214868

grains are bad huh... Yea, so that's why all the olympians do it...

Also, I'm 25bmi 7%bf (confirmed UWW), and I aim for 70% carbs, like most athletes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:45:00 No.7214868 Report

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>>7214849

Athletes don't eat that way because it's optimal nutrition. They eat that way, because they exercise so god damned fucking much, that they can eat literally whatever they want and never get fat. Look up Michael Phelp's diet. My sister is a pro gymnast, and she gets by on a diet of 80% carbs, in the form of white bread and fucking candybars. Is it because it's optimal? No, it's because she can get away with it when training like 28 hours every single week.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:48:00 No.7214887 Report

Quoted By: >>7214927

>>7214805
>Give a perfectly logical argument
>"Are you retarded?"
Nice ad hominem bro!

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:49:00 No.7214905 Report

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>>7214802

wat?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:53:00 No.7214927 Report

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>>7214887

It wasn't a good argument, it was a fucking retarded argument that argued against yourself you stupid retard.

People here are claiming that grains are fucking shitty nutrition, and you reply to that by saying that NO, YOU SHOULDN'T SAY THAT, because grains were what allowed humans to spread all over the fucking world. Then in the end you say that yeah, grains actually aren't healthy anyway.

What the fuck are you trying to say? That grains provide a good source of easily stored energy? No one is fucking disputing that. We're disputing that grains are a good, or even mediocre, source of nutrition. They're incredibly bad for your health, they're the source of many modern diseases.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 02:55:00 No.7214944 Report

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>>7213637
I'm overcome by an archaic urge to devour any and all meat and animals I can get my hands on when looking at this picture.

camb !MSbRzCfyiQ

camb !MSbRzCfyiQ Mon 02 May 2011 03:00:00 No.7214987 Report

Quoted By: >>7215005

>>7213561

>The documentary Fat Head bases is several arguments on a very well understood and study backed relationship between carbs, sugar and insulin production/resistance. If you want to understand that science, read some of Dr. Eades' books (be was one of the M.D.s interviewed in the documentary).

lol eades is a crock of shit on the fringe of science. He has next to zero credibility, if you want some credible data with regards to obesity, you don't read eades

>Lots of whey protein isolate to keep them muscles

lots of insulin then

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9356547

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:01:00 No.7214991 Report

Quoted By: >>7215005

op here. been on a keto "diet" for over 4 months. if anyone has SERIOUS questions post your emails and i would be happy to answer. but please serious questions only

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:02:00 No.7215005 Report

Quoted By: >>7215038 >>7215041

>>7214991

how has it worked?

>>7214987
so your opinion of the keto diet overall is bullshit? or is your issue with those specific people?

camb !MSbRzCfyiQ

camb !MSbRzCfyiQ Mon 02 May 2011 03:06:00 No.7215038 Report

Quoted By: >>7215088

>>7215005

my opinion on keto is that the majority of guys on it don't understand it one fucking bit. They think that because your body is using stored fat for energy via ketones, your body is somehow going to change the fat balance (fat stored vs fat burned). It doesn't

Keto is there for fat guys that have zero self control (i.e can't have 1 slice of bread, they have to eat the whole loaf) and people with very bad epilepsy.

Keep protein high whilst cals low whilst eating lots of veg. TADAAAA you're losing fat

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:06:00 No.7215041 Report

Quoted By: >>7215058

>>7215005
>>7215005
Its gone really good. I was hovering at about 190 before the keto and now i got down to about 170.
keep in mind that i lost about 30 pounds of fat and gained 20 pounds of muscle now that i lift. but as far as a diet its amazing because i can eat literally as much as i want.

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:07:00 No.7215058 Report

Quoted By: >>7215088

>>7215041
eating as much as you want and dropping 20lbs? that sounds like my worst nightmare

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:10:00 No.7215088 Report

Quoted By: >>7215108 >>7215113

>>7215038
>>7215058
>>7215058
I said eating as much as i want. not as much as i can. on other diets im starving after eating but not on keto. thats all im saying. and to the first guy keto has nothing to do with self control but for people that have tried diets that dont work. like this>>7213269guy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:11:00 No.7215100 Report

Quoted By: >>7215119

>>7214711
>>7214711
>Grains are a good, cheap and storeable source of energy
>storable
>cheap
>not bad for you

wtf am I reading.jpg

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:12:00 No.7215108 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215088
thats pretty weird man, fat has more than twice the calories per gram, so you can be eating twice the amount of food on a non-keto diet and still have a smaller caloric intake
well w/e works for you breh, hope you continue your progress

camb !MSbRzCfyiQ

camb !MSbRzCfyiQ Mon 02 May 2011 03:12:00 No.7215113 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215088

>and to the first guy keto has nothing to do with self control but for people that have tried diets that dont work.

A decent diet = high protein + cal deficit, if they've tried these diets, their willpower sucks. Simple as

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:12:00 No.7215119 Report

Quoted By: >>7215139

>>7215100
yea sounds pretty spot on

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:13:00 No.7215122 Report

Quoted By: >>7215194

>mfw people think we WERE MEANT TO DO SOMETHING
>MEANT
We weren't MEANT to do anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:15:00 No.7215139 Report

Quoted By: >>7215150 >>7215151 >>7215164

>>7215119
normal humans don't need anything storable due to the abundance of readily available food...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:16:00 No.7215145 Report

Quoted By:

Humans evolved to eat whatever they could hence omnivores.

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:16:00 No.7215150 Report

Quoted By: >>7215164 >>7215185

>>7215139
what
fat = stored energy
glycogen = stored energy
atp/cp = stored energy

camb !MSbRzCfyiQ

camb !MSbRzCfyiQ Mon 02 May 2011 03:17:00 No.7215151 Report

Quoted By: >>7215185

>>7215139

So basically stop eating everything

fat is stored too dude

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:18:00 No.7215164 Report

Quoted By: >>7215216 >>7215226

>>7215139
>>7215150
also wtf is this kind of thinking from someone who advocates keto
you are saying basically carbs all get metabolized into fat, well if that is true what do you think the body does to all the fat you eat, that is, well, already fat???

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:20:00 No.7215185 Report

Quoted By: >>7215211

>>7215150
>>7215151
fat is stored energy, yes. Too much body fat is bad for you... what's your point? its not like we need that much fat, like we're going a week without food at a time.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:20:00 No.7215194 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215122
mfw no.

lrn2life

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:21:00 No.7215211 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215185
okay
you go and try to cut to 0% bodyfat 0%energy and see how well you do

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:22:00 No.7215216 Report

Quoted By: >>7215233 >>7215279

>>7215164
the issue with carbs is that your bloodsugar explodes... again and again.
do you believe diabetes type-2 or alzheimer did exist back in the stoneage?

everyone who is interested in this stuff should read "new evolution diet"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:23:00 No.7215226 Report

Quoted By: >>7215242

>>7215164
we don't need an excessive amount of carbs, is what Im saying. unless you need to run a marathon, there's plenty other ways of conjuring up energy

just because humans are able to eat carbs doesn't mean they should indulge in them as 65% of their intake, we can eat wood too, doesn't mean we should.

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:23:00 No.7215233 Report

Quoted By: >>7215244 >>7215259

>>7215216
not really, since i'm not eating 500grams of pure glucose in 1 meal

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:25:00 No.7215242 Report

Quoted By: >>7215249 >>7215250

>>7215226
we don't need an excessive amount of anything, so by that logic you shouldn't be eating carbs fats nor protein

there is a huge difference between going keto and 65% of your daily intake coming from carbs. Don't bullshit and play the extremes, you can have a good balanced diet without going to either extreme

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:25:00 No.7215244 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215233
also, if I take all my food as a suppository, will I gain any weight? I have a few good protein sources I could stick up there

camb !MSbRzCfyiQ

camb !MSbRzCfyiQ Mon 02 May 2011 03:26:00 No.7215249 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215242

keto fags can ONLY go to the extremes, there is nothing in between for them

1g of carbs and you'll store 1kg of fat and you'll get alzheimers!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:26:00 No.7215250 Report

Quoted By: >>7215263

>>7215242
yeah haha, problem is you need protein and fat to survive. Carbs you don't, and fat/ protein can be converted to energy; carbs is just easier

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:26:00 No.7215251 Report

Quoted By:

>What the fuck are you trying to say?
>Grains are a good, cheap and storeable source of energy. I don't and never will claim that they are healthy but these are the facts you must understand.
> They're incredibly bad for your health, they're the source of many modern diseases.
I told that

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:27:00 No.7215255 Report

Quoted By: >>7215308

Where can you get fruit that hasn't been selectively bred to be full of sugar?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:27:00 No.7215259 Report

Quoted By: >>7215284 >>7215286

>>7215233
it's a proven fact that carbs are the macros, which rise your bloodsugar that fastest and strongest

many of ex-olympics, who ate during their training-period 5000kcal mainly from carbs, developed diabetes after their career

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:28:00 No.7215263 Report

Quoted By: >>7215304

>>7215250
>yeah haha, problem is you need protein and fat to survive. Carbs you don't, and fat/ protein can be converted to energy; carbs is just easier
this does nothing for your argument. who cares about what you need to eat barely to stay alive? What matters here is what gets you the best results

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:29:00 No.7215279 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215216
>the issue with carbs is that your bloodsugar explodes... again and again.
He doesn't know that protein also spikes bloodsugar!
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Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:30:00 No.7215284 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215259
yea and like i said, most people will not be doing that. You just ignored by point while responding to it

camb !MSbRzCfyiQ

camb !MSbRzCfyiQ Mon 02 May 2011 03:30:00 No.7215286 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215259

>many of ex-olympics, who ate during their training-period 5000kcal mainly from carbs, developed diabetes after their career

Yeah, when they carried on eating 5000kcal a day after retiring because that's what they were used to.

Wow, they got fat and type II

Retards like yourself (no offence, but you're pretty dumb), only see 'carbs', they don't see the bigger picture (i.e. the things that matter, that being total kcals + bodyweight)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:30:00 No.7215292 Report

Quoted By:

You can make grains much safer by bacterially fermenting them. This is the traditional method of preparing grains. Consider that for most of history humans didn't have pure yeast strains, so all bread would have been sourdough. You can also benefits from the enzymes in the grains breaking down the antinutrients, but they are often destroyed in modern processing (eg. all oats you buy are pre-cooked so the enzymes are destroyed).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:31:00 No.7215304 Report

Quoted By: >>7215330

>>7215263
oh okay, best results. I'll cut carbs to 5% then while on a calorie deficit, thanks for your advice dude!!1

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:31:00 No.7215308 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215255
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heirloom_plant

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:33:00 No.7215330 Report

Quoted By: >>7215338

>>7215304
why would you want to cut your carbs on a cut? you need as much fast-releasing energy as you can get since you are being shortchanged on total energy intake

Biological Anthropologist !!/RWwz08huWz

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Biological Anthropologist !!/RWwz08huWz Mon 02 May 2011 03:34:00 No.7215333 Report

Quoted By: >>7215339

From observations of modern foragers, we can conclude that the majority of kcal are obtained from plant sources. Meat is a rarity, as this chart indicates. Even with modern, metal bow and arrow, an invention of less than 10,000 years ago, game is obtained only once every 40 days, and a kill is split up equally amongst the entire group. Gathering, not hunting, is the primary mode of energy allocation for forager societies. Underground storage organs (roots, tubers, etc., most notably the wild yam) make up the majority of calorie intake, along with nuts and seeds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:34:00 No.7215338 Report

Quoted By: >>7215350

>>7215330
no it's okay, Ill just take your previous advice. first answer's usually right, science has proven!

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:35:00 No.7215339 Report

Quoted By: >>7215392

>>7215333
oh man i've been waiting for someone to repost that image forever, lost it since like last year

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo Mon 02 May 2011 03:35:00 No.7215341 Report

Quoted By: >>7215374

Ex2 speaks truth.

that being said, i have my beefwith grains and think 90% of your carbs should come from non-grain sources.

the more active you are the more carbs you should eat.

the less active, the more fat.

problems arise when stupid vegetarians go on a 90% carb diet and "walk for 15 minutes everyday" or when 4chan fatasses who sit at their computer all day decide to "cut out fatty food"

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:35:00 No.7215350 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215338
I wasn't answering anything, I was asking you a question about the reasoning behind your logic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:38:00 No.7215374 Report

Quoted By: >>7215396 >>7215417

>>7215341
well well well thyme, if he's right, why are you countering his point about carbs? people on 4chan just aren't very active

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:38:00 No.7215375 Report

Quoted By:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsLyp8XloCE

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:39:00 No.7215392 Report

Quoted By: >>7215420

>>7215339
plants =/= grains

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:39:00 No.7215396 Report

Quoted By: >>7215425

>>7215374
he isn't countering my point about carbs at all.
People from /fit/ should be active

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:39:00 No.7215397 Report

Quoted By: >>7215510

Whether you are for or against it, I think this has been one of the more interesting threads on /fit/ in awhile, especially concerning carbs vs fat. I applaud all involved.

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo Mon 02 May 2011 03:41:00 No.7215417 Report

Quoted By: >>7215431

>>7215374
im not. everything about nutrition is a big "depends"
Ex2's telling people to stop thinking in black

hes right about not completely cutting out carbs on a cut, but imo you should only get your fast-acting nergy around workouts, and eat higher fat the rest of the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:41:00 No.7215420 Report

Quoted By: >>7215499

>>7215392
grains come from plants idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:41:00 No.7215425 Report

Quoted By: >>7215510

>>7215396
true, but assuming ketosis yields the same amount of stable energy by burning stored fat as glycosis does burning stored carbs, which would you pick?

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo Mon 02 May 2011 03:41:00 No.7215431 Report

Quoted By: >>7215460

>>7215417
in black and white*

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:44:00 No.7215460 Report

Quoted By: >>7215531

>>7215431
I get what he's trying to say, about macros being less important than total calories, but if you can eat a caloric deficit AND use stored fat for energy, I see no reason to eat that many carbs. That one dude who swam the english channel lost 16 lbs of stored bodyfat in his journey, after he lost all his glycogen storages from eating a fuckton of bananas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:46:00 No.7215474 Report

Quoted By: >>7215490 >>7215520

that shitty thing about grain-products is, that they are made out of seeds. seeds are for reproducing.
plants can't run from dangers (everyone who eats it), so they put toxic substances in there.
seems logical, think about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:47:00 No.7215490 Report

Quoted By: >>7215505 >>7215511 >>7215542

>>7215474
toxic being carbs? I dunno, sounds like a stretch. but we do have built up immunity to ever single plant we eat (they're all poisonous)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:48:00 No.7215499 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215420

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo Mon 02 May 2011 03:49:00 No.7215505 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215490
uncooked grains have antinutrients and iirc theres some evidence that high-grin diets promote disease

>cap: lipophilic itortio

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:49:00 No.7215510 Report

Quoted By: >>7215590

>>7215397
dude this thread gets reposted every couple of days, usually its not this long because people don't stay so ignorant for so many posts
>>7215425
you do know that most of the time during *glycolysis* pyruvate is thrown into the krebs cycle after being metabolized as acetyl-CoA right? the same way ketones are?
the only time when its not is during bouts of intensive activity where there is an oxgyen deficit (where your body cannot steadily generate enough ATP from fat-oxidation) and turns to glycogen/glucose as the main energy source (lifting weights, HIIT, sprinting, sex); then pyruvate is going to be metabolized into lactate to generate ATP anaerobically

Anyway the point of that is to show you that when you are eating carbs you are giving your body more freedom in making your body more efficient and increase your performance. When you are cutting off one source of energy completely off you are just increasing the chance of short-changing yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:49:00 No.7215511 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215490

No you fucking idiot. Read this
>>7214594
>>7214594
>>7214594
>>7214594
>>7214594
>>7214594
>>7214594

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:50:00 No.7215520 Report

Quoted By: >>7215552 >>7215571 >>7215599

>>7215474

What now? Plants live because animals eat the seeds, son.

Eat lots of peanuts, take a shit in your yard, and wait to see the peanut trees next summer.

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:51:00 No.7215531 Report

Quoted By: >>7215590

>>7215460
like i said earlier you use fat as energy by default (yes even if you are not on keto), since people have way more stored fat as they do stored glycogen, and fat oxidation yields more ATP per cycle

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:52:00 No.7215542 Report

Quoted By: >>7215555

>>7215490
>but we do have built up immunity to ever single plant we eat (they're all poisonous)

that's the point. but our genes nearly have not evolved since 20k years ago. do you think our ancestors ate grains? i do not.

i once read an article about a plant, that protects itself from a bug through a toxic substance in its seed. if a male bug ate one of those, his dna got damaged and his children are born without wings (and so they have to die)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:53:00 No.7215552 Report

Quoted By: >>7215604

>>7215520

Jesus christ. /fit/ is fucking retarded.

Animals eat the PLANT, and DO NOT CHEW OR DIGEST THE SEEDS, THEREFORE THEY SHIT THEM OUT.

GRAINS = YOU'RE DISGESTING SEEDs

FUCK YOU AND YOUR RETARD BRAIN THIS IS MAKING ME ANGRY IM GONNA QUITE /FIT/ FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS BECAUSE THIS IS RIDICULOUS

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:53:00 No.7215555 Report

Quoted By: >>7215570 >>7215586 >>7215596 >>7215617

>>7215542
then why do asians live the longest, and also eat the most grains

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:54:00 No.7215570 Report

Quoted By: >>7215593

>>7215555
For some reason rice seems to be healthier than grains, it's still unkown why.

P.S. they are binging on fast food almost as quickly as we are now, so their health rate will plunge

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:54:00 No.7215571 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215520
>peanuts
>trees

pick one

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:55:00 No.7215586 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215555

Because they also eat the most, fish, and because they also have a culture that frowns upon binge eating and becoming a fat fucking disgusting blob.

Yeah, stuffing your face with refined sugar and mcdonalds and taking in 8k calories a day, is worse than eating fucking rice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:55:00 No.7215590 Report

Quoted By: >>7215644

>>7215531
>>7215510
I love /fit/, only place I can have an argument and learn shit. I admit defeat,
>lol egocarbs for you

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 03:56:00 No.7215593 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215570
we eat white rice, where the germ/seed and shell is removed

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo Mon 02 May 2011 03:56:00 No.7215596 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215555
1. rice is special
2. dont you see how eating something that lowers your lifespan would cause an evolution in the direction of increased lifespan?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:56:00 No.7215599 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215520
the majority of animals which eat seeds are birds, but this little fuckers even eat sand just to have a filled stomach.
but we are no fucking birds, we are mammals

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:56:00 No.7215604 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215552

See you later then. Thanks for the talk.

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo Mon 02 May 2011 03:57:00 No.7215615 Report

Quoted By: >>7215644

also asians are like the smallest motherfuckers on the planet. so they need a lot less food to live.

fact: less calories = longer lifespan

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:57:00 No.7215617 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215555
and they've eaten it for longer than whiteys have eaten wheat. takes a very long time (like >10000y) for the body to adapt to a food staple

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:59:00 No.7215633 Report

Quoted By:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNUW6PvyeBM

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:59:00 No.7215634 Report

Quoted By: >>7215645 >>7215662

Does this mean oats are bad for you?
It's a grain, right?

Ex2

Ex2 Mon 02 May 2011 04:00:00 No.7215644 Report

Quoted By: >>7215676 >>7215684

>>7215590
there is no defeat, there is no winner. If you ever have problems with keto like hitting a pleateau or something hopefully this info might help you. I'm not saying keto does not work; there are just other diets that work as well
>>7215615
>also asians are like the smallest motherfuckers on the planet.
come at me bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:00:00 No.7215645 Report

Quoted By: >>7215659

>>7215634

Yes. Only idiots actually take the "squats and oatz" meme seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:01:00 No.7215659 Report

Quoted By: >>7215673

>>7215645

name a better source of complex carbs

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo Mon 02 May 2011 04:01:00 No.7215662 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215634
mhmm

just remember that occasional consmption of ANYTHING is mostly harmless. grains. drugs. cock. etc.

just dont eat oats every day 3x per day and youll be fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:02:00 No.7215673 Report

Quoted By: >>7215691

>>7215659
you don't need complex carbs.

new meme :squats & fruits

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo

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Thyme !.SexKKKxFo Mon 02 May 2011 04:03:00 No.7215676 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215644

>ex2

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:03:00 No.7215677 Report

Quoted By:

>>7214594
yeaaahh
like it's economically possible to replace all the grains in the market by any kind of meat
are you fucking retarded
nutrients that come from grains are 10000x cheaper then meat
you really think "governments" decide this kind of stuff? and worse, based on nutrition facts?
FOR FUKSAKE
10/10
i'm raging hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:03:00 No.7215684 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215644
yeah thanks, I'm taking up hockey so I guess i'll have to let atkins go. still, carbs make me drowsy and I can't eat bread/pasta or anything due to allergies, so they can go fuck themselves for now

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo Mon 02 May 2011 04:04:00 No.7215691 Report

Quoted By: >>7215718

>>7215673
starches are cool too
imo squatz and potatoes

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:04:00 No.7215692 Report

Quoted By:

tHiz bettah be tha troll uor els imma fukc tihs siht up!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:05:00 No.7215706 Report

Quoted By:

I looked at Harvard Nutrition Source for about 10 minutes before realizing that diets and food restrictions are essentially bullshit.

A realistic diet consists of many kinds of food, and that's what you'll resort to after dicking around and swearing off bread or whatever for a year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:05:00 No.7215709 Report

Quoted By: >>7215726 >>7215747 >>7215755

25% of your plate should be carbs
25% of your plate should be meat
25% fruit
25% vegetables

It's over, stop bringing this dumb mythical "carbs are bad" bullshit, carb are good for you. Stupid fucks actually believe the internet

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:06:00 No.7215718 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215691

I much prefer "squats and a steak and a banana"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:06:00 No.7215726 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215709
who ARE you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:08:00 No.7215747 Report

Quoted By: >>7215778

>>7215709

Most people in this thread aren't dissing carbs, they're dissing grains specifically. Grains are loaded with anti nutrients and lectins, which will fuck you up.

Eat sweet potatoes, apples, bananas, berries and watermelons till you puke for all I care. Just quit your oats and you're rolling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:09:00 No.7215755 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215709
>Stupid fucks actually believe the internet
wants fucks to believe what he said on the internet

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:09:00 No.7215756 Report

Quoted By: >>7215773 >>7215789

>>7213231
>not knowing that life span factors in infant mortality

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:10:00 No.7215773 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215756
>it does?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:10:00 No.7215778 Report

Quoted By: >>7215803

>>7215747

Of course, the dreaded anti nutrient. Worse than a ray of enfeeblement, according to the many blogs and diet fad web sites I follow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:11:00 No.7215780 Report

Quoted By:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MghIB-MgH2A

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo

Thyme !.SexKKKxFo Mon 02 May 2011 04:11:00 No.7215789 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215756
this 100 times god damnit im tired of retards playing the "LOL THEY ONLY LIVED 30 YEARS!!" bullshtit card NO THEY DID NOT FUCK OFF

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:12:00 No.7215803 Report

Quoted By: >>7215816

>>7215778

Anti-nutrients aren't that bad, as long as you only eat them a couple of times a week or so. Lectins on the other hand are fucking terrible, bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:14:00 No.7215816 Report

Quoted By: >>7215838

>>7215803
what do lectins do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:15:00 No.7215838 Report

Quoted By: >>7215854

>>7215816

They mimic human tissue. Your immune system attacks the lectins, but because of how they are in some ways identical to joint tissue, your immune system will also attack your own body and break down your own tissue. This is arthritis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:17:00 No.7215854 Report

Quoted By: >>7215872

>>7215838
if that's true, that is fucking terrible haha. and these come from oats and bread and such?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:18:00 No.7215872 Report

Quoted By:

>>7215854

They come from grains and legumes (Peas, peanuts etc).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:27:00 No.7215985 Report

Quoted By:

>>7212553
>implying berries aren't fruit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:33:00 No.7216054 Report

Quoted By: >>7216110

Lectins can be destroyed by bacteria. Traditional preparation methods for grains and legumes always used bacterial fermentation.

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a713667850&db=all

Of course, the bacteria won't always do a perfect job, so it's better to eat meat, but if you're a poorfag it is possible to eat plants relatively safely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:36:00 No.7216094 Report

Quoted By:

we eat more meat because we all lift, you fuckin idiots, no because HUR DUR GRAIN IS BAD.

A normal human being doesn't need to eat as much meat as we do. But we have do, cuz we are ubermensch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:38:00 No.7216110 Report

Quoted By:

>>7216054
>lectin almost disappeared after 72 h of natural fermentation under the optimum conditions of flour concentration and temperature.

So, 72 hours of fermentation under perfect conditions, and not all the lectins were destroyed.

I'll stick to steak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 04:42:00 No.7216162 Report

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_VZ2tY_p_o

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 05:07:00 No.7216484 Report

Quoted By: >>7216539

Personal experience here. I've been trying the paleo diet for a month with light jogging and lifting twice a week. Although I hate the name and the background, I thought the science behind it was sound and gave it a whirl. In about four weeks I've gone from 200 lbs chubbyfat 5'11 male to 185 lbs. My skin is also noticeably better and I feel much more energetic.

Just an anecdote, but it certainly seems to work for me.

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 05:12:00 No.7216539 Report

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>>7216484
>but it certainly seems to work for me.

It works for everyone, because, SURPRISE: The premise of the diet is sound and true. We've evolved to thrive off meat, vegetables, fruits, berries and nuts.

However, I agree that the whole Crossift faggot fad religious nuts that follow it can be a bit tiresome to deal with.

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 07:22:00 No.7218446 Report

Quoted By: >>7218667

Is it true that MSG isn't really the big bad unhealthy monster that it was made out to be in the 80-90's??

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 07:41:00 No.7218667 Report

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>>7218446
Not right now, but it will be again.
This stuff goes in cycles.
Meat bad, grains good.
Grains bad, meat good.

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