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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:04:00 No.7225365 View View Reply Original Report

>meet huge guy
>jokingly ask him which roids he's on
>he takes none
>tells me to do lots of isolation exercises (three different kinds of front raises, etc) and that i need to feel the "burn" in order to have an effective workout
>tells me to eat 6 meals a day, super important
>tells me to train every day, twice if i can manage
>tells me to eat 200g of oats everyday, can't explain why, "they are magic"
>he only deadlifts 120kg
>mfw the whole time

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:09:00 No.7225401 Report

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anyways, i'll try this stuff out, see if it works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:12:00 No.7225421 Report

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Sounds like he trains for hypertrophy, gets a constant intake of protein and lots of calories, eats a lot of carbs and works out very high volume. Oats have a good amount of Zinc, which has a testosterone boosting effect.

Yep, that will make you big.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:12:00 No.7225423 Report

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If you're fat, don't eat that much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:12:00 No.7225426 Report

Quoted By: >>7225440

Well are you going to listen to the fatasses on here or the guy who is actuall huge?

Not to suggest any of that even happened

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:14:00 No.7225440 Report

Quoted By: >>7225480

>>7225426
the huge guy obviously. as i said, i'll try this, although i'm still skeptical about the 6 meals meals a day and oats (taking zinc already, are there any other benefits?)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:18:00 No.7225463 Report

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>meet some skinny nerd
>he asks me if i'm on roids
>of course I am, you fucking retard, do you think you get this big naturally
>tell him I'm not
>make up a bunch of bullshit to troll him
>lol when I see him working out like a retard and staying small

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:20:00 No.7225480 Report

Quoted By: >>7225521 >>7225594

>>7225440

The 6 meals a day and oats are pretty much the only good advice he gave.

Working out high volume twice a day? 3 different kinds of isolation on each fucking muscle?

Nigga you're either trolling us or he trolled the shit out of you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:20:00 No.7225481 Report

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You mad op?

Some people respond well to volume and isolation exercises. Deal with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:21:00 No.7225499 Report

Quoted By: >>7225555

>meet swole as fuck motherfucker
>he can bench 300
>ask him for his routine
>oh i dont even know dawg
>well what do you do
>i just go from one side of the gym to the other side doing all machines
>wat. how long did it take you to bench 300
>a year
>WAT

Alternatively, meet this huge fucking motherfucker with super broad shoulders that can bench 350. He tells me to do very high reps to feel the "burn" because that's how you'll know it's working.

ALTERNATIVELY, another friend I had benches 275 and it took him a year to do that. He had a workout that consisted of a 5 day split, 9 or so exercises each day at high reps (15, 13, 10). He isn't swole looking but he's stiff as fuck if you feel his arms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:23:00 No.7225521 Report

Quoted By: >>7225614

>>7225480
Not OP but theres this huge guy at my gym.
I've worked out with him and he insists on isolation days. Hell even told me that the bodybuilder work out is perfect for his body type (5'8). But he also told me hes been working out for thirteen years so I can only assume that every workout works if given the right amount of time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:27:00 No.7225555 Report

Quoted By: >>7225597

>>7225499
benching 300 (for 1 rep) after a year of working out ain't nothing special
not everyone starts skinny fat bro

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:31:00 No.7225594 Report

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>>7225480
>6 meals a day
>good advice

pick one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:31:00 No.7225597 Report

Quoted By: >>7225659

>>7225555

I am doing SS with next to no gains. Meanwhile he did machines. MACHINES. No stabilization factor. No squats or deadlifts either. Pure machines, bicep curls, bench press and no routine. Whatever he felt like lifting today. I'm pretty sure he doesn't even know about rest days.

By next year, I hope I can do at least 225. But what he accomplish takes serious genetics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:32:00 No.7225605 Report

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>>7225365
food works for everyone
high volume works for some people

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:33:00 No.7225614 Report

Quoted By: >>7225623 >>7225657

>>7225521
Isolation definitely works, I'm not saying it doesn't, I'm just saying doing three different isolation exercises on the same muscle is batshit retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:34:00 No.7225623 Report

Quoted By: >>7225646

>>7225614
why is it retarded
you're just adding some more volume and some people can handle high volume just fine
also doing 3 sets of 3 exercises is less boring than 9 sets of 1 exercise

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:36:00 No.7225642 Report

Quoted By: >>7226052

The only thing good about 6 meals a day is it allows you to eat more. And yes I know they recommend it to people to help control hunger.

But when bulking its hard to eat 1200 calories in one sitting unless your drinking soda. Its A lot easier to eat 800 calories 6 times a day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:37:00 No.7225646 Report

Quoted By: >>7225707 >>7225750

>>7225623

Because if you can do 3 sets of 3 different exercises all on the exact same muscle you're not using enough reps volume or enough weight. If it takes you 9 fucking sets total on one muscle, to feel a burn, you're wasting your time.

No one does 9 sets anyway. You pick a muscle, you do 3 sets of 12 reps or something similar and you get the appropriate pump and you move onto something else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:37:00 No.7225649 Report

Quoted By: >>7225674

Congratulations, you're now learning that there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in /fit/'s brolosophy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:39:00 No.7225657 Report

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>>7225614
OP here, i was thinking the same. i'm currently doing 5 isolation exercises 1x10 after my compound routine, just to try it out. i'll never be able to do three kinds of front raises without laughing at myself in the mirror.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:39:00 No.7225659 Report

Quoted By: >>7225686 >>7225691

>>7225597
This

All the huge guys in my gym (and pretty much in every gym I've been) don't know anything about the subjects usually said here.

I've seen almost nobody training under 8 reps x set, and the guys training in the 10-12 and tones of machines are always huge and fucking strong

I'm starting to think that /fit/ as a board is just a huge troll

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:41:00 No.7225674 Report

Quoted By: >>7225696 >>7225806

>>7225649
was just thinking that

so am i wasting my time going to 10 or however many reps of whatever weight at home doing squats, if i just dont have any more weights to add to the bar to make it feel like enough at 5? im doing 3x10-12 of the current weights i have just cause im out of weights...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:41:00 No.7225678 Report

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Obvious troll is obvious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:42:00 No.7225686 Report

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>>7225659

Lots of people here do hypertrophy routines consisting of high reps with lower weights on and off machines.

Read a little more.

That said, I can guarantee that bigger guys who train <8 reps on free weights will be stronger than those guys doing 12+ reps on machines. They're training for two different things... something that is always mentioned when someone offers a routine with 5 reps per set and vice versa.

There's more than one way of working out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:43:00 No.7225691 Report

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>>7225659
>I'm starting to think that /fit/ as a board is just a huge troll
fucking this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:43:00 No.7225696 Report

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>>7225674

If you want more mass than strength 10-12 reps is the right range. But you're still going to need to add weight soon. Basically find more weight. Either buy some more plates or go to a gym with more weight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:44:00 No.7225707 Report

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>>7225646

youre full of shit. I barely can finish that last rep of that last set, but, if after I take 2 minutes off, I can pass to another machine/exercise and train the same muscle without a problem.

For example, I don shrugs with two 40 lbs dumbbells and can barely finish my 3x10, but then I can easily do ez bar front raises and train my neck/shoulders again. You could argue that I don't train exactly the same part of my shoulders/neck, but I do like 4 different kind of exercises at 3x10 each on my shoulder/leg day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:45:00 No.7225715 Report

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everyone in this thread implying GVT (modified, of course) doesn't work like crazy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:47:00 No.7225736 Report

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>>7225365

>OP trolls or got trolled

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:49:00 No.7225750 Report

Quoted By: >>7225816 >>7225966

>>7225646
>herp derp
You might want to take a closer look at how the various weight training elites actually do things, not to mention random bros who got good results.

Top olympic lifters often train for hours every day, doing dozens of sets of their competition lifts plus assistance exercises.

Top bodybuilders often train for hours every day, doing dozens of sets on each body part.

Top strongmen often train for hours every day, doing heavy compounds, plus multiple sets of isometric exercises to hit the same muscles, and strength event practice besides.

It's only powerlifters who mostly adhere to the the train/rest or upper/lower/rest day schedule, and there are many exceptions there too.

As for random gym bros, people fail or succeed in achieving their mediocre goals by all sorts of different methods. There is no shortage of failures on whole-body 3-times-a-week big-compounds-low-reps-low-sets-only programs, or of success stories on a 5-day machines-only brosplit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:55:00 No.7225806 Report

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>>7225674
There are lots of people at the elite level in olympic lifting who say never to do low-rep back squats, only sets of 10 or more.

Of course these people also do lots of heavy triples and doubles in the front squat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:56:00 No.7225816 Report

Quoted By: >>7225959

>>7225750
r u fucking stupid ? the top of those are are in juices like you cant ever imagine. naive

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:56:00 No.7225817 Report

Quoted By: >>7225944 >>7225950

also understand that most of the time when /fit/ gives routines they are giving either SS/SL, 5x5 Push/pull or something along the lines.

you can do straight hypertrophy, however,
who will look better? the guy doing bench press @ 135lbs vs 315lbs?

get strong first, then do hypertrophy, it will be more beneficial

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 23:08:00 No.7225944 Report

Quoted By: >>7226104 >>7226174

>>7225817
The other side of that is that "strength" training carries a much higher injury risk.

If, for example, you start out with SS, you're going to quickly be pushing past the limits of what you can lift for 5 reps and trying to force yourself to complete sets that you're just not strong enough to finish, while you're still a complete newb and just getting the hang of the lifts. This is, of course, going to result in a very high rate of injuries.

And what for? So you can rush through your beginner gains, at the additional cost of constant life-disrupting exhaustion?

A more varied, higher-rep program will eventually give you the same strength gains at far lower risk, while doing more for the health of your joints, connective tissues, cardiovascular system, practical endurance, and weight control, with less exhaustion or need for ridiculous "bulking diets".

If all goes well, you'll get to the same place in four years either way, and there's a lot better chance of having all go well if you don't go crazy with the low-rep stuff, especially as a beginner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 23:08:00 No.7225950 Report

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>>7225817
>who will look better? the guy doing bench press @ 135lbs vs 315lbs?
OP here. this guy looked incredible while deadlifting only 260lbs. apparently, strength doesn't matter, either. or, well, he was just trolling me for hours on end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 23:09:00 No.7225959 Report

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>>7225816
I always love it when the people who decide to argue against me demonstrate the same stupidity in presentation as in content.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 23:10:00 No.7225966 Report

Quoted By: >>7226056 >>7226174

>>7225750

So what /fit/ adheres to, is 90% powerlifting knowledge, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 23:17:00 No.7226052 Report

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>>7225642

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. It's not hard to eat that much in one sitting. You just need to take longer when you're eating. Your stomach will expand to the point when you only feel comfortably full after eating that much on a regular basis.

It's pretty easy, 4 cups of milk with a couple scoops of chocolate whey protein, 1 cup of oats cooked with 2 cups of milk and 1/3 cup of dried fruit. 4 eggs and a cup of cottage cheese. That should put you in the general ball park. It's really not hard to eat that much. I've found it's actually harder to control my diet to keep myself from overeating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 23:17:00 No.7226056 Report

Quoted By: >>7226115 >>7226118 >>7226174

>>7225966
Pretty much. I've said many times that SS should be called "Opinions On Training Novice Powerlifters".

Here's the deal: competitive lifters of any stripe have main lifts and accessory lifts. They pretty much always work their main lifts (and sometimes parts of the main lifts, when they're complicated) mostly with low reps (5 or less), because the entire goal of their training is to perform well on singles. But they pretty much always work their accessory lifts with high reps (8 or more), because that's what works for every purpose other than making your body a specialized instrument for performing a 1-rep max in that specific lift.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 23:20:00 No.7226089 Report

Quoted By: >>7226152

Mr. Olympia, jay cutler, works out with like 330 on squat and 225 on bench.

>dat volume

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 23:22:00 No.7226104 Report

Quoted By: >>7226200

>>7225944
you are correct sir

I'm new to lifting free weights in general,
I am just doing 5x5 to get some basic strength, then will be doing hypertrophy

also considering PHAT
Power Lifting / Hyper trophy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 23:23:00 No.7226115 Report

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>>7226056

Damn 6 months to realize that shit

Tomorrow I'll start adding reps to my sets. Fucking neckbeards...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 23:23:00 No.7226118 Report

Quoted By: >>7226174 >>7226301

>>7226056
Mind you, especially as a beginner, you should do "skill lifting", much like olympic lifters do through their whole training careers to perfect technique.

That means a lot of very low-rep sets (singles, doubles, triples) WELL below your max, at weights that don't make you struggle, and you could repeat every few minutes or so all day if you so wished.

This provides lots of physical benefits as well (especially for beginners), but the main point is skill development. You can increase the amount you lift by more than most people would believe just by learning to use the muscle you have more efficiently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 23:27:00 No.7226152 Report

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>>7226089
>>7226089
>>7226089

Just saw the video. He's doing 4 plates for 4 reps on bp

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 23:30:00 No.7226174 Report

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>>7226118
>>7226056
>>7225966
>>7225944

Reasons why SS is not as good as /fit/ says, and noobs are better doing something for them rather than rushing trough strength at the expense of joint health

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 23:33:00 No.7226200 Report

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>>7226104
Actually, the classic 5x5, as popularized by men like Reg Park, was 5 sets of 5 with very short rest in between. In essence, a paced set of 25.

This is very similar in philosophy to the classic 20-rep breathing squat programs (where you're allowed to rest as much as you want during that set, as long as you keep the bar on your shoulders), Chet Yorton's 2x22 "Boring But Big" squat/ohp/dead/bench program, or high-rep rest-pause sets.

This is very different from the powerlifter 5x5s, and the SS 3x5, where you take unlimited rest between sets (and which many say provide nothing but increased recovery burden and risk of injury over doing just one 5-rep set).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 23:43:00 No.7226301 Report

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>>7226118
How about no?

8-12 reps, 2 sets. Beginners should train every 2-3 days. No machines, and best not doing isolation exercises because they are no fucking needed.

And eat up to 6x a day, obviously.

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