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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:13:51 No.25526233 View View Reply Original Report

Why are Lisp and Python so unusable?

Either you choose Lisp and the 50mb hello world, or Python and the world's slowest interpreter of all time.

Seems like C is the only legitimate programming language still around...

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:15:45 No.25526266 Report

Quoted By: >>25526283

>python unusable
lol no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:16:37 No.25526283 Report

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>>25526266
Oh you're right, it does make a great platform for hello world and stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:17:29 No.25526301 Report

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>>25526233
cpython's biggest speed problem is arrays, and if you know anything about C, you'll know how to get around that.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:17:58 No.25526316 Report

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>>25526301
Yes, by using C instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:18:18 No.25526322 Report

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>>25526233
troll/10
Reported to British authorities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:21:52 No.25526382 Report

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>>25526358
more like PooPoo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:23:23 No.25526407 Report

Quoted By: >>25526423 >>25526888

I'm a scientist. I need to whip up a quick simulation to test a population model. Am I going to jump through the fucking hoops C makes me? Fuck no.

This is why Python is the most applicable language to non-CS real-life applications. Because it's easy to use, and still powerful. This is why you're going to see more and more of it, and why it's so popular for people that aren't programmers by trade to learn.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:24:13 No.25526423 Report

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>>25526407
>Not using C99 for calculations
Well I found your issue, no need to thank me

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:45:59 No.25526814 Report

Quoted By: >>25526874

C is the second best programming language, but there is a far cry between the first: C++.

C++ provides high level abstractions that are completely evaluated at compilation so there is no runtime penalty unlike dynamic languages like Lisp. C++ exposes access to low level operations, even allowing inline ASM, which makes it suitable for the broadest range of programming tasks.

Lisp and Python aren't all that useful for programming. I wouldn't waste my time on them. Focus on C++.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:47:06 No.25526837 Report

Quoted By: >>25527494

If Python's speed hit is that much of a detriment to your project, you are not using it for the kind of job it, or probably any interpreted language, is good for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:48:41 No.25526874 Report

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>>25526814
>Lisp and Python aren't all that useful for programming. I wouldn't waste my time on them. Focus on C++.
....you realize that Python and C++ are used for entirely different things, right? I love C and its derivatives but for simpler tools and scripts it's just a massive buttpain to deal with, it's not the seventies anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:49:29 No.25526887 Report

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>>25526423
>not using Fortran

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:49:33 No.25526888 Report

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>>25526407
There are less hoops to jump through in C++ because of operator overloading. Just install a math template library and you can basically write equations and crap just like you would in math, and it'll still run as fast as C, although it often would be faster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 01:54:07 No.25526969 Report

Quoted By: >>25527121 >>25527169

Python is way over rated as a scripting language, Ruby and Javascript both have much more cleaner and consistent syntax. Python was literally created piecemeal with syntax fullfilling requests by users. The OO in Python is a bolted on namespace hack.

Lisp is not a mainstream language for a lot of reasons. People dont bother to understand how functional programming really works in Lisp, Haskell, ML and rarely get past a superficial understanding of its syntax. Its much smarter to start out in Scala where you can transition slowly into functional programming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:00:50 No.25527089 Report

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Python for quick concepts and scripts.
C++ with ASM for 'programming.'

Did learn (ish) Scheme once, but haven't really used it. Was more of an interest thing. Might try Haskell at some point too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:02:14 No.25527121 Report

Quoted By: >>25527160

>>25526969
Javascript with file I/O would be perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:03:55 No.25527160 Report

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>>25527121
Sooo. node.js is perfect?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:04:13 No.25527169 Report

Quoted By: >>25527203 >>25527215 >>25527260 >>25527306

>>25526969
>Lisp is not a mainstream language for a lot of reasons.
One reason is 98% of so-called 'programmers' are braindead code monkeys who can't see programming as the art it deserves to be called.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:05:54 No.25527203 Report

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>>25527169
The other reason is Lisp sucks and does not fit actual programming tasks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:06:40 No.25527215 Report

Quoted By: >>25527253

>>25527169
50mb hello world is an art!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:08:17 No.25527253 Report

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>>25527203
>Lisp sucks
Please proceed to the nearest stake, commoner scum.

>>25527215
>implying it isn't

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:08:38 No.25527260 Report

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>>25527169
it's funny to see delusional lispfags

lisp's only use in 2012 is to mod emacs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:09:03 No.25527267 Report

Quoted By: >>25527325 >>25527362 >>25527429

this thread is a fountain of trolls

javascript better at scripting than python?
javascript consistent?
python so slow as to be unusable?
c++ better than c?
actually using assembly language in 2012?
using ruby at all?

itt hobbyists and morons. i'm amazed no one's suggested php the way this thread is going

python/matlab for prototyping, java for deployment. standard practice for a reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:10:33 No.25527306 Report

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>>25527169
98% of Lisp programmers are basement dwellers who like to gawk at pretty code and have no idea how to write large scale apps. A Lisp or Haskell program has to be designed. You cant just stub out functions and classes and expect to connect them together by fleshing out the interworking of classes. People who think they can program in a higher level with Lisp or Haskell are neckbeards and academics who are talking out of their ass and have never made any kind of application that is useful to anyone.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:11:37 No.25527325 Report

Quoted By: >>25527338 >>25527376 >>25527397

>>25527267
entreprise quality post

i agree that js is a pile of shit tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:12:21 No.25527338 Report

Quoted By: >>25527376

>>25527325
and c++ too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:13:12 No.25527362 Report

Quoted By: >>25527399 >>25527453 >>25527458

>>25527267
javascript use prototype OO, this is how OO should be in all scripting languages. the fact that you have to declare classes in Python is a joke. People use Python simply because they like indentation delimited syntax. If you take that away from Python, there is nothing left that makes Python stand out

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:13:17 No.25527364 Report

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JS and C++ are probably the best languages around today.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:13:48 No.25527376 Report

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>>25527338
>>25527325
that's wrong though, javascript and C++ are very useful, much more than the other shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:14:51 No.25527397 Report

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>>25527325
>entreprise quality post
ha ha ha, some junior college programming student trying to act like professional programmer, cant give any examples or anything to back up claims, just spouts off shit

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:14:56 No.25527399 Report

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>>25527362

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:16:43 No.25527429 Report

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>>25527267
>python
>matlab
>java
>good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:18:33 No.25527453 Report

Quoted By: >>25527499

>>25527362

You know, except, proper operator overloading, decorators, modules, namespaces for everything, iterators, list comprehension, dictionaries, named method arguments, simple (if not instant) integration with C libraries and so on?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:18:54 No.25527458 Report

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>>25527362
Python stands out because it is simultaneously simple, flexible and powerful. It's useful in functional, imperative, object oriented or whatever form you want, it comes with almost every function you want, it has extensive libraries, there's nearly no overhead involved in programming it and the syntax is extremely, extremely clean. And unlike its contemporaries in, say, Haskell or Ruby, it does so without being inaccessible, without requiring tonnes of excess knowledge and while conforming to programmers' expectations.

Neckbearded aspies might hate it, but they hate java and c++ too, and between those two and python you've got 3 of the biggest languages in use in enterprise computing today. In terms of practicality, actually being useful, python is unmatched.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:21:30 No.25527483 Report

Quoted By: >>25527523

>>25527397

you'd know how horrible C++ is if you'd read any template library code, It's fucking awful

as for JS, it needs a whole lot of shit like jquery just to be near usable, and the guy who designed it has basically apologized for it (he looks like has he literally has downs too)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:21:57 No.25527494 Report

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>>25526301
>if you know anything about C
So then use C

>>25526837
This. If you're using Python for anything where you speed is a concern, you're not using Python right.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:22:28 No.25527499 Report

Quoted By: >>25527520 >>25527544

>>25527453
Python is (median) <pre class="prettyprint">12 times</pre> slower than Javascript:

http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=python3&lang2=v8

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:23:59 No.25527520 Report

Quoted By: >>25527568

>>25527499

That's normal, javascript doesn't do anything in comparison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:24:01 No.25527521 Report

Quoted By: >>25527829

>Ctrl+F Perl
>No results

really?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:24:03 No.25527523 Report

Quoted By: >>25527618

>>25527483
bullshit, most of what people dont like in javascript has to do with the DOM browser API. Brenden never said it was a bad language, he only regretted not putting in lexical scoping (which is why you have to put var in front of variables for local scope)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:25:44 No.25527544 Report

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>>25527499
PyPy is 5x faster than CPython, and frankly if whatever you're doing is speed-critical and you're using an interpreted language for your core logic you should be fucking shot.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:27:47 No.25527568 Report

Quoted By: >>25527585 >>25527595

>>25527520
Yet it could do all of the tests on the benchmark. Javascript is Turing complete. Anything you can do in Python can be done in Javascript, probably a lot more elegantly too. And it's a better target language than Python since it can run in the browser (which is ubiquitous now). And it's 12 times faster than Python.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:30:03 No.25527585 Report

Quoted By: >>25527600 >>25527670

>>25527568

So? C runs on anything and it's 5 times faster than JavaScript. You can probably do everything faster and more efficiently and there are more libraries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:31:30 No.25527595 Report

Quoted By: >>25527695

>>25527568
unless you're designing a web app why would it working in a browser be an issue? if you're writing your core logic to be executed client-side you're probably doing something very, very wrong. make your application RESTful, engineer your interfaces appropriately and then run in whatever fucking language you want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:31:57 No.25527600 Report

Quoted By: >>25527645

>>25527585
Of course C is faster than Javascript. When was C even in discussion here? It is a comparison between Python and Javascript.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:33:08 No.25527618 Report

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>>25527523
it's still a really quirky language designed in 2 weeks. And yeah, web programming is shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:35:00 No.25527645 Report

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>>25527600

Exactly because they're not comparable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:36:16 No.25527670 Report

Quoted By: >>25527708

>>25527585
>C runs on anything

yes, but try deploying it. In today's browser based world getting actual native code to run is surprisingly difficult.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:37:34 No.25527695 Report

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>>25527595
Often the logic running client side can be faster (from the user's POV) than having to run a program on the server and send it back, bottlenecked by network latency.

And working in the browser is relevant because everyone always has a browser everywhere. To run a shitty Python script, you have to install Python which can be a pain.

For small programs that you just want to write quickly, Javascript is superior to Python.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:38:11 No.25527708 Report

Quoted By: >>25527865

>>25527670

C code can be deployed on even the most closed-down, sandboxed platforms. Examples: PS3, iOS. Your point is invalid.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:39:12 No.25527732 Report

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>>25527700
Nope. IE, FF, Chrome, all in C++.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:41:33 No.25527779 Report

Quoted By: >>25527810 >>25527873

From a general Engineering point of view what is better to program applications in, C# or C++? I know C# and ive done a little bit of C and C++. Im thinking of programming in C++ for a summer project.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:43:15 No.25527805 Report

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>>25527700
how does the language that a browser is written in have anything to do with what is being accessed/rendered? seems like a red herring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:43:28 No.25527810 Report

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>>25527779
If you need to optimize for programmer efficiency (i.e., speed of development): C#

If you need to optimize for code efficiency (i.e., speed of code): C++

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:44:11 No.25527825 Report

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web programming has to be done in a dynamically typed language. a statically typed language would block all objects that are not first declared internally, which is impossible when you are working with so many unknown interfaces

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:44:33 No.25527829 Report

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>>25527521
>Ctrl+F Shit
>No results
Of course not. We are talking about actual languages

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:45:48 No.25527848 Report

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>2012
>not knowing a minimum of C++, Java, JS, Python
>thinking any of them are inherently superior
>arguing about supposed superiority on 4chan

All of my shiggies.

All major programming languages are shit for one thing and good for another(inb4 GUD FOR HLELLO WERLD MAYBY LEL XDDDDDD).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:45:56 No.25527850 Report

Quoted By: >>25527879

>>25527830
Not really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:46:39 No.25527865 Report

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>>25527708
In theory, yes. C being a systems language, it will probably run on a pocket calculator. But you have to have available APIs for those closed platforms to be able to do anything useful, which may not be available (though they are for iOS and PS3). But when you do this the code you write becomes completely non-portable.

Javascript is extremely portable in comparison. Except for DOM peculiarities, it is fairly consistenly implemented. Write once, run everywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:47:23 No.25527873 Report

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>>25527779
There's no such thing as "general engineering". You have to define your requirements and engineer your product around them. If your requirements are for a portable, extremely maintainable application developed with a minimum of problems, then you'd go for C#. If your requirements are for an extremely fast application, then you'd go for C++. Programming languages are tools, there's no such thing as a perfect language.

Generally speaking most applications don't need the speed of C/C++, and developer time costs more than processor time anyway, which is why C#/Java are together far and away the most popular languages in the world. They're just far, far easier to use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:47:35 No.25527879 Report

Quoted By: >>25527901

>>25527850
Actually, it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:47:45 No.25527881 Report

Quoted By: >>25527914

>rapidly develop program with Python
>profile the code
>replace bottlenecks with C
>master race

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:48:26 No.25527899 Report

Quoted By: >>25527916

>>25527830
A C++ expert who doesn't know C# will be more efficient in C++, but even they would get stuff done faster in C# once they figure it out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:48:33 No.25527901 Report

Quoted By: >>25527906 >>25527916

>>25527879
Nope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:48:56 No.25527906 Report

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>>25527901
Yep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:49:12 No.25527910 Report

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>>25527893
No, it comes down to what is easier and faster, assuming equal states of proficiency.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:49:37 No.25527914 Report

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>>25527881
this guy here knows what's up. dont limit yourself to one language, appreciate the benefits of all languages.

except tbh python struggles as the project scales, with its shit OOP paradigm and its global interpreter lock preventing proper threading

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:49:43 No.25527916 Report

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>>25527901
see
>>25527899

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:50:41 No.25527928 Report

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>>25527919
>Do you want shitty cross-compatibility and want your users to suffer for it by forcing them into mono?

This is a non-issue. "Users" use Windows.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:51:12 No.25527940 Report

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>>25527919
>mono

lol. as if people design c# apps for linuxfags. protip: in the real world everyone uses windows. if you need linux compatibility use java, they're as good as the same language anyway, c# just works more comfortably with windows.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:51:46 No.25527952 Report

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>>25527934
You think proficiency ca't be measured? oh lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:52:35 No.25527966 Report

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>>25527943
in the contexts we're talking about here, professional software engineering, not shitty little hobbyist faggery, most apps are designed for a specific userbase for a specific purpose, not for the general market. it's why managed languages are so absurdly popular in enterprise work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:53:42 No.25527984 Report

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>>25527965
If you think any language is easier and more capable and documented than C#, you're wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:55:29 No.25528010 Report

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>>25527953
from an engineering point of view, i mean. in terms of their key features, theyre both managed, they both come with extensive libraries, they're both very quick due to JIT compilation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:55:38 No.25528013 Report

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>>25527943
I'm fine with alienating macfags and freetards. also I don't write software for mass distribution

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:58:38 No.25528060 Report

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>>25528023
hi

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 02:58:39 No.25528061 Report

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>not using Jython
fucking plebs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 03:00:50 No.25528109 Report

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>>25528023
still fucking retarded, almost 8 years on

look at the the criticisms levelled in this thread. most of them aren't "HURR THIS LANGUAGE IS BETTER BECAUSE IT HAS FEATURE X" or whatever, they're "This language is more appropriate because it is easier to develop in, because it is an industry standard, because it is objectively more appropriate for the application domain within which i am working"

Graham was a hack, with no clue. It's clear now years down the line how absurd his "OOP not being useful" or "focusing languages towards the OOP paradigm is bad" diatribes were. they can be filed firmly with the "Linux is obsolete" arguments.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 03:01:17 No.25528120 Report

Quoted By: >>25528135

A Python program will be about 20 times as slow as its C equivalent, but will only take one twentieth of the time to write.

As long as your time is more valuable than the computer's, Pythno is more economically viable than C.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 03:01:30 No.25528125 Report

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>>25527533
I wish whoever first started scripting web pages had just used Common Lisp, then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 03:02:06 No.25528135 Report

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>>25528120
Get out, the thinking of an engineer has no place on /g/

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 03:05:54 No.25528198 Report

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>>25528023
this is really getting old, neckbeards quoting Lisp experts as a reason for making Lisp a general purpose language. Lisp is powerful, but that power comes at a cost of complex program design. reasoning about programs in Lisp requires multiple levels of embedded state, these levels get evaluated with macros which are themselves another meta level of programming. The idea that you can apply Lisp style of programming to common everyday applications is just hype that keeps getting spammed by neckbeards who think they are a programming expert just because they did a fibonacci function in Lisp. Just fuck off with this blub shit, you dont even understand what Lisp is for

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 03:05:58 No.25528199 Report

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>>25528162
that's not what "linux is obsolete" means. google it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 03:11:43 No.25528309 Report

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>>25528259
>If you actually read that quote and understood it you'd realize it's not promoting anything aside from the fact that other people's opinions on languages are always skewed because they only see the world from their bubble.

And Mr Paul "LISP IS AWESOME OOP IS BAD" Graham is such a special little butterfly that he's able to judge that, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 03:21:44 No.25528492 Report

Quoted By: >>25528722

>>25528363
I've engaged on the topic for plenty of posts (it shouldnt be difficult to work out which are mine; i'm the one with a clue), I even replied to Graham's essay before continuing to criticise him. You're the one committing fallacies, simply labelling anyone with a language preference, even one grounded in sound engineering reasoning, "A WORTHLESS BLUB PROGRAMMER". My point was that you shouldn't cling too tightly to Blub. Graham, with his unfailing adoration of lisp over every other language despite its complete practical irrelevance, is the supreme example of a blub programmer, and his labelling of other programmers as blubs is mostly just him projecting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 03:34:30 No.25528722 Report

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>>25528492
This guy has a clue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 03:47:29 No.25528955 Report

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>>25528910
which is why it's so important your first language is a good one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Jun 2012 05:46:18 No.25530833 Report

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>>25528910
Interesting, but I seem to be an exception.
I'll put that down to the influence of teachers, my first one was horrible.

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