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nazi officer about to be executed for war crimes that expression just makes me feel hopeless inside....
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>>11662113 Its Matt Damons fatter grandfather.
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Pretty much everything in WW1. Verdun-spanning nearly the entire war, half a million men on both sides died for a strategic stalemate. Artillery barrages were so intense that "shell-shock" first occurred. Paschendale/3rd Ypres- the british decided to take the town of Paschendale. Unfortunately, heavy rains and constant artillery barrages created mud so thick that many men drowned in it. The objective itself, as with many towns on the Ypres front, no longer existed by the time the war ended. The 12 battles of the Isonzo River: 11 times Italy fought a horrible, bloody stalemate with Austria Hungary. In 1917, Germany intervened. The Italians routed, only stopping the germans mere miles from Venice. Scrambling to blame someone, many soldiers were executed as punishment for allowing the rout to happen. Many more deserted.
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>>11662113 looks like bull from band of brothers.
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The Gauntlet, where the US 2nd Division was ambushed by the Chinese 38th Corps. I think the following speaks for itself.>In one of the last acts of the battle, the 23rd Infantry Regiment fired off its stock of 3,206 artillery shells within 20 minutes >However, it was later approximated that the US 2nd Infantry Division had suffered 4,037 casualties, and most of its artillery pieces, 40 percent of its signal equipment, 45 percent of its crew-served weapons, 30 percent of its vehicles were lost during the battle >Chinese officers were distressed to learn that an estimated 2,000 Americans had escaped the valley. >"For the next 500 yards the road was temporarily impassable because of the numerous burning vehicles and the pile up of the dead men, coupled with the rush of the wounded from the ditches, struggling to get aboard anything that rolled...either there would be bodies in our way, or we would almost borne down by wounded men who literally throw themselves upon us...I squeezed [a wounded ROK soldier] into our trailer. But as I put him aboard, other wounded men piled on the trailer in such number that the Jeep couldn't pull ahead. It was necessary to beat them off."
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>>11662113 Good. Let the scum die
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The entire Iran-Iraq War.> They had led the way, running over fields of mines to clear the ground for the Iranian ground assault. Wearing white headbands to signify the embracing of death, and shouting "Shaheed, shaheed" (Martyr, martyr) they literally blew their way into heaven.
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>>11662220 Get over yourself.
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>>11662220 Soldiers are soldiers, you combat virgin. Learn some respect, or get the fuck off of /k/.
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>>11662220 "enlightened" liberal detected
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>>11662231 There really needs to be more on that war. The most comprehensive thing I can find is an account by a former Iraqi general. Which he wrote for a blog.
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>>11662243 lol he was POG anyway
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Trench warfare is a bloody god-awful shitty mess. I have a few pics
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>>11662258 HAHA so cool and edgy XD
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>>11662258 Well you haven't served anyway, so I'd rather you die than him.
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Look how wet and muddy everything is. Fuck that shit.
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I had a nightmare last night that I was a German soldier in France who was going up to the front as a replacement. On the way I saw a bunch of bodies being carted back and found out that the Battle of the Somme had just started. It was the most vivid thing I had ever dreamed. I spent 6 hours in that trench.
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>>11662284 Nobody lost quite like them.
>Pic: Cloud of Chlorine gas over No Man's land. Anonymous
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>>11662249 >>11662243 >>11662237 >nazi officer >war crimes >nazi officer >war crimes Tell me to get over myself?
Sure is summer in here.
All nazis deserve death.
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>>11662293 Poor frenchies.
I read somewhere that their casualty rate was the highest of any nation in the war because of battles like Verdun, Ypres, and the Marne.
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Theses blue uniforms are interested
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>>11662281 Alright, listen here cocksucker. I'm a secret government superweapon created for the sole purpose of tracking down terrorists and national threats. I am responsible for the deaths of Sadam, Osama, and Kim Jong Il. I know where you live, what you do, what you eat, and where you shit. I could appear right behind you right now using my teleportation powers, but then no one would be driving this $2,000,000 sports car I'm in and all these fine bitches giving me road head would crash! If I do ever decide to visit your fat ugly ass, I hope for your sake that you have gallons of anal lube, which you probably do, homo.
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>>11662302 >that feel when if only you could climb outside the trench and dry your feet.. Anonymous
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>>11662321 Except that most Nazi troops weren't even politial Nazis. They were just the soldiers sent in by the Nazis. They were essentially gunpowder. And we all know gunpowder doesn't discriminate.
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This looks like a nice place to be for a year
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>>11662321 > all nazis deserve death Rommel was a top notch general, and WAY better than Russian generals who would shoot retreating friendly soldiers.
You're retarded.
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>>11662342 British troops at Paschendale?
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Last one. This looks like absolute shit and fuck this man.
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>>11662353 Erwin Rommel was never a member of the Nazi party.
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>>11662339 Im not bagging on the everyday german soldier. They did what they had to do.
Im talkin NAZIS bro.
Also, im no liberal, militant conservative is more like it. Which makes me curious, why in the hell would anyone think im liberal for saying that nazis deserve to die?
Cap: logic, ostreen
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>>11662349 Trench foot. Exactly what shit like that caused. This stuff killed soldiers because it was left untreated. They could also get it in their mouths and other parts of their bodies. Very painful.
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How about you fucking idiots stop bitching and post some fucking pictures. Christ all fucking mighty.
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>>11662353 Lol excuse me, i must have said, "lol nazis deserve death and russians are all legit"
It appears, you must reevaluate who exactly the retard is here.
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I believe this is relevant to the thread. I couldn't finish the whole video, it was too much for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bgVVZ3TVqc Anonymous
This dude took grenade frag to the face.
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>>11662216 My grandad always told me that Korea was miserable, even though he served as an Army cook he said he got a good slice of fucked shit put down for him to see.
I had NO fucking clue it was that bad. (Im sure worse happened but..God DAMN.)
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>>11662375 trench foot and trench mouth are not the same thing.
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>>11662360 Rommel is a tragic figure. He fought the Allies with incredible honor, respected his enemies, invented the modern concept of armored warfare (along with Heinz Guderien) and demanded that prisoners be treated with respect. When he tried to help save Germany, the plot fell through, and he was forced to end his own life.
He knew Hitler was a dick, but he was too much of a soldier to allow the Allies to simply win; he fought for Germany, not Hitler. Some call him "spineless" for not acting sooner, but what would you do if you were him? He avoided politics, he simply followed orders, and his orders were to win the war for Germany.
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The colour photos from ww1 (retouched) are fascinating. They could be from 20 years ago.. it makes the whole thing seem more real.
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>>11662252 Osprey books has a volume on the war. It's called The Iran-Iraq War 1980-1988, first published in 2002. It's in their Essential Histories line.
I have the pdf, I could upload it somewhere and drop the link here.
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>>11662358 Talk about misery.
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>>11662414 They were both fungal infections of the same fungus. Gotten from eating food that had come into contact with the fungus that caused trench foot and being untreated.
So although not making the mouth swell up horribly large like the foot, they were essentially the same disease.
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It seems popular and 'correct' to bash the "political Nazis" while exalting the German soldiers, because they were "professional" and "not Nazis."
The men at the front WERE, in fact, quite politicized. And their much vaunted technological supremacy and professionalism waned as the war dragged on. Ideological zeal made up for it.
http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Army-Soldiers-Nazis-Third/dp/0195079035 Of course, this doesn't mean they should be viewed in a "better" or "worse" light, it's just that things were a little different than the way we remember it.
Also, on an unrelated note, I'm starting to think that the "political Nazis" are more worth admiring than the common soldiers. The latter were the agents of German aggression. The armed forces the ones killing Russians and Americans.
The political Nazis represented Nazism as an ideology and a method of organization. The example of Nazi society at home is a model that can be admired anywhere.
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That man's expression gets me every time. He looks absolutely freakin' miserable, broken, and paranoid/terrified all at the same time.
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>>11662404 Mine was Marine infantry in Korea, he won't say shit to anyone. All I know is one night my Dad woke up and he was choking his mom with his kabar in his hand. He's pretty fucking now now, but I don't think he has PTSD orflashbacks anymore.
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>>11662424 Watch some color WW2 footage sometime. It'll scare the living piss out of you.
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>>11662113 Where's the horror? I just see awesome.
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>>11662399 my god that's funny
I feel terrible
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>>11662431 Please do, that would be great
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>>11662473 So you think that, as an American Soldier, you would have rather fought on the Pacific front that the European? I sure as hell wouldn't, those Japs were fucked, Germans at least had honor and knew better than to think we would execute their whole cities and convince everyone to kill themselves.
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>>11662399 Sweet Jesus I'm going to hell
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>>11662516 Don't forget that every island had more tunnels than a freakin' ant hill. You could think the islands clear then get shot in the back the next minute because of one of the millions of secret caves. It was the pretty much the original Vietnam war. Except we won.
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>>11662506 Here you go.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?0ru9c4rq2ztrtji I've got a fuckton of Osprey books in pdf format, feel free to ask if there's anything in particular. If I have it, I can upload it.
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>>11662536 Most likely because that was when our country wasn't filled with pussies that think war can be won by obeying rules and being kind, and fought their asses off until our mission was complete. Goddamnit, now I'm mad about hippies.
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>>11662543 All of them. We want all of them.
You should know by now that .pdf files are like crack for /k/ommandos.
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>>11662375 Jesus Christ, that's fucking horrific.
Why is that more disturbing than pictures of dead people?
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>>11662575 Captcha ate my pic
Chechnya during the massacre.
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>>11662473 So basically you are saying that the gun is worse than the murderer because it is the one that literally fires the bullet and the murderer without a gun is just like anyone else?
Because that is imbecilic.
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>>11662501 >>11662529 >>11662399 >That feeling when I was going to mix that and the naked walking guy video, but they were the same song Oh well, have
http://youtubedoubler.com/1tE9 instead as a booster.
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>>11662586 I'm saying that getting rid of the Jews is something everybody can appreciate, whereas people generally can't appreciate folks who fought against their people.
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>Camps were encircled with barbed wire or high wooden fencing and those who attempted escape would be executed in front of other prisoners. In some camps the Japanese also executed ten other prisoners as well. Escape attempts from Japanese camps were rare. .Very few of the Japanese guards spoke English and internees were forced to learn Japanese in order to understand commands they were given. Failure to comply with instructions would merit a beating. Tenko was the name given to the daily roll-call and prisoners had to call out their prisoner number in Japanese.>he majority of prisoners were put to work in mines, fields, shipyards and factories on a diet of about 600 calories a day. Harry Carver comments "..I was - a white slave. I worked 12 hours a day on a diet of soya beans and seaweed." Prisoners were rarely given fat in their diet and all were continuously hungry. The majority survived on barley, green stew, meat or fish once a month and seaweed stew. Red Cross parcels were not distributed to the prisoners. I get that there were/are cultural differences and surrender was not considered honorable (and thus those who surrendered subhuman), but damn the Japanese were terrible
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>>11662575 I got the entire collection off of piratebay. Osprey World History was the name, IIRC. I'll put some effort into finding it, and in the mean time I'll upload a few choice pdfs. First to respond gets to pick topic.
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In an instant an entire squad can be gunned down and it won't even effect anything in the grander scheme
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>>11662634 Also it looks like a civilian woman was killed with the VC, look at that child on the left, looks like his mother.
Dat face
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>>11662616 Oh so you are a troll. I get it now.
Continue
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Vietnam was all kinds of fucked up.
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were aren't innocent either The Vietnam Red Cross reported as many as 3 million Vietnamese people have been affected by Agent Orange, including at least 150,000 children born with birth defects.[35] According to Vietnamese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 4.8 million Vietnamese people were exposed to Agent Orange, resulting in 400,000 people being killed or maimed, and 500,000 children born with birth defects.[2] Women had higher rates of miscarriage and stillbirths, as did livestock such as cattle, water buffalo, and pigs.[36] Children in the areas where Agent Orange was used have been affected and have multiple health problems, including cleft palate, mental disabilities, hernias, and extra fingers and toes.[37] In the 1970s, high levels of dioxin were found in the breast milk of South Vietnamese women, and in the blood of U.S. soldiers who had served in Vietnam.[38] The most affected zones are the mountainous area along Truong Son (Long Mountains) and the border between Vietnam and Cambodia. The affected residents are living in substandard conditions with many genetic diseases.[39] About 28 of the former US military bases in Vietnam where the herbicides were stored and loaded onto airplanes may still have high level of dioxins in the soil, posing a health threat to the surrounding communities. Extensive testing for dioxin contamination has been conducted at the former US airbases in Da Nang, Phu Cat and Bien Hoa. Some of the soil and sediment on the bases have extremely high levels of dioxin requiring remediation. The Da Nang Airbase has dioxin contamination up to 350 times higher than international recommendations for action.[40][41] The contaminated soil and sediment continue to affect the citizens of Vietnam, poisoning their food chain and causing illnesses, serious skin diseases and a variety of cancers in the lungs, larynx, and prostate.[37]
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>>11662625 what's under the Scandinavian topics?
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>>11662666 That's fucking horrible man.
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http://youtu.be/JAdXDtdNaH0 This is badass footage taken in WWI. It was filmed by a german cameraman who was later killed in 1917.
The first part is footage of german soldiers running though an artillery barrage. At :58 seconds on the mid left side of the screen you see a 3-5 soldiers running and an artillery shell explodes between two of them, probably killing them both.
I believe the second part is german artillery hitting allied lines.
actual combat footage, not staged...some of the earliest.
pic is largest crater of WWI
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>>11662705 the picture in the dude's hand is how he used to look, I think
that's only the people, the jungle took it pretty damn hard and invasive species moved in and fucked everything up
even ignoring the chemical toxicity, the ethical implications of forcing people to migrate and change their way of life by destroying their livelihood is pretty fucking low
I'm sorry, but the hippies were right, we had no business in Vietnam, especially doing the shit we did
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>>11662755 I've always thought that. We only really went in because they were communists. They hated us for sending in Ngo Din Diem and they hated us even more for agent orange and all the shit we did to their villages.
Some wars need to be fought. this one didn't.
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>>11662721 that's some heavy shit there
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>>11662755 >>11662798 fucking hippies
we fucking won that war, the only reason it seems like we didn't is because the liberal media overplayed the few nasty parts
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>>11662666 I can not fucking imagine waiting 9 months to see my baby and that comes out. Jesus Christ.
Is that all one baby? That must rip the fuck out of the woman, wtf wtf wtf.
I dont have any war is hell, but pic vaguely related.
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>>11662819 Winning a pointless war then having tons of marines come back with horrible injuries and mental instability because of the life in Vietnam being either getting killed by a trap, getting gunned down by the snipers that were literally everywhere, trying to figure out who could be trusted, conserving your ammo, and not having your weapon jam in a firefight.
Pretty shitty war. It's even worse because there was no reason behind it except political fear.
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Iran-Iraq was definitely the most fucked up war. Most people don't even know about it, since it happened before most of /k/ was born, and there aren't many pictures. The easiest way to describe it is WWI trench warfare mixed with modern weapons, jets, and all kinds of nasty chemical and biological shit, with a dash of the suicidal middle eastern mentality of warfare. It's pretty easy to imagine how fucked up that got.>yfw the 'States supported Saddam through the whole thing
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>>11662819 Yeah, god damn liberals make any thing involving the military bad or that we are losing.
Gotta love the libtards who say 'hurr durr, 'murica losing the war in afghanistan-THATS why we're withdrawing"
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>>11662798 don't forget the napalm
it burned everyone and everything and it never stopped burning, even the children
and the zippo raids
I know, lets just burn villages, that'll decrease support for the VC
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>>11662666 Wow, more copypasta.
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>>11662842 Do you not remember high school social science courses at all?
Containing communism- Threat to 'murica and the the world since commies wanted to expand globally.
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>>11662853 How about the Afghanistan rebellions that were created by the Reagan administration which led to Osama Bin Laden gaining tons of power and weaponry. Happened before Bush Senior even sold Saddam the SCUDS.
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>>11662860 Holy shit! I never knew bad things happened war.
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>>11662819 >>11662855 I legitimately can't tell if you're trolling and it scares me.
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My Dad was in Vietnam, something to do with artillery. The only story he told me was that one day he was talking to a friend of his, and a bomb went off nearby. Next thing he knew, the top of his friend's head was gone.
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>>11662853 correction.
The 'States only began to aid Saddam once he began to lose in order to prolong the war.
Ideally, we wanted both countries to tear themselves apart in an endless war. We gave weapons to both sides, depending on which one was losing at the time.
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>>11662889 Yeah, nobody should ever have allies since they could turn against them.
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>>11662825 I think it's several babies
the part that gets me is that they are just in a plastic bucket, like they have no place else to put them
here's another birth defect
just from google, it seems like it had a habit for making long, deformed, and pointed heads
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>>11662906 forgot
"The denuded hills of Quang Tri Province that were covered in triple canopy jungle before the war"
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>>11662243 He ordered the execution of over a dozen POWS after they gave full cooperation.
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Not all of them die
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>>11662915 >>11662897 I'm going to guess that these two posts are from the same anon since both have the same air of "I've never had a decent discussion in my life."
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>>11662819 America never would have won in Vietnam, not unless we killed all the Vietnamese. South Vietnam was never a real country and no amount of killing of its people could get it to stand up. Sorry but it wasn't the libruls that lost that war.
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>>11662941 Never on this trip infested circle jerk of a board.
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>>11662903 fortunately for you, I was trolling
the effect you have observed is rather common
it is known as Poe's law
originally, it applied only to fundamentalist Chirstians and their parodists, but as you can see, it can apply to all extreme or stupid viewpoints
link for your reading pleasure:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law what I find most scary is that some people agreed with me, parodists or the real deal, we'll never know
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>>11662887 The U.S. was losing political support in other countries. That's the only reason it really started which then led the government to start the Red Scare. The "Threat" was a nation seeing the nation on the other side of the world as the nation on the other side of the world had seen it.
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Vu Thi Lam and her daughers who live in the town of Nam Dinh in the North. Lien, eight, and her sister, Hein, six, were both born without lenses in their eyes. Their father, Dam Viet Thuoc, was sprayed when he was a lorry driver in the South.
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>>11662853 Yeah when you hear Iranians talk about it and the psychological affect it had on that whole country you start to understand
You can't understand why the Iranians are seemingly psycho Muslims today without understanding what happened to the Iranian nation during that war. They paid the price of an entire generation
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>>11662971 Nobody thought you were legit.
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>>11662853 The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend
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>>11662974 Red Scare was before the 'nam war bro.
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>>11662984 at least one person did
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moar iran iraq war Iranian militia in Khoramsharr I believe
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Moar Iran Iraq
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>>11663011 The Red Scare was just barely toning down during the 'Nam war. So the war generally started during the Red Scare.
Both sides of the world were pretty much the same.
"THOSE COMMIES ARE GOING TO NUKE US!"
"THOSE CAPITALIST PIGS ARE GOING TO NUKE US!"
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Hitler Youth at the fall of Berlin
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>>11663026 >>11663026 >Vietnam war from 1955-1975 according to wiki >1947-1957 includes all of two years of the 20 year conflict, not even the heaviest fighting dumbass
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>>11662853 Iran -Iraq war
Part 1
http://youtu.be/bdO9h_5Nupk Part 2
http://youtu.be/H6s-Fs4RnFY Part 3
http://youtu.be/bmepR8seo0U pic is some of the 101 statues built by iraq that point at iran. each statue is of a soldier that fell in the war (they actually used a real soldier to be depicted in every statue. not like a generalized ivan type of statue you see in russia) except one that is of saddam.
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>>11663006 Yeah... cuz that worked out real well, didn't it?
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>>11662860 You think the VC were any better? They would slaughter children in front of their parents if they thought they supported the US. Contrary to popular belief, there were actually people in South Vietnam that didn't want communism which is why the countries were split in the first place. Shoulda just nuked the North.
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>>11663050 And as I said in my original post.
The commie view was to expand, and make the entire world communist.
US policy to prevent that and contain communism in the countries that were already socialist.
It's the reason behind the Korean war also.
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>>11663064 >Implying that the Red Scare didn't have lasting effects for long after that period. It clearly stated that period was at it's height. The effects of the red scare are STILL seen today for fuck's sake.
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>>11663087 but mommy, HE STARTED IT!
just because someone does something fucked up to civilians doesn't mean we should do the same
we're supposed to be better than that, morally sound, champions of freedom or some bullshit like that
instead, we burn down villages, kill babies, force migrations, indiscriminately bomb innocents, and generally shove our dirty dick into everything that isn't ours
Vietnam was not a justified war, nor did we play it clean
whether the other side played clean is irrelevant
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>>11663108 That's the US high school history reason, which is obviously totally fucking biased
In both Korea and Vietnam the US was intervening in struggles between local factions. In South Korea and South Vietnam the governments were made up of local elites who had worked for the colonial powers, Japan and France, respectively. The governments of North Korea and North Vietnam were made up of resistance leaders who had fought the colonial powers and were generally socialists if perhaps not proper "communists" although they became communists once they became dependent on the Soviets and Mao
As usual there's more to the story than what they tell you in school
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>>11663124 well the tard deleted his post, so you can't see what I was responding to, but he claimed that the Red Scare lasted through most of the war, which it did not by any sensible measure
of course the Red Scare had influence, but WWII has influence today and we still call it over
same idea
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something about this painting really brings out the horror of war to me
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>>11663130 You sound like a left wing fucking retard.
I don't care to argue on the internet with shortsighted children.
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>>11663181 That man looks TERRIFIED.
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>>11663187 What does it for me is the three guys on the left about to brutally stab and beat one desperate motherfucker to death
That last mopping up at close range really brings out the horror of it
I believe this pic is the Nicaraguan or Guatemalan Civil War
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>>11663152 America still has won every war.
'murica. If you don't like out history than you can git out.
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>on patrol during ww3 in some buttfuck remote area of china >walk into clearing alone to piss >see this >wat do
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>>11663130 Except authoritarian communism is evil incarnate. It isn't a matter of who started it, it's a matter of fighting evil. Authoritarianism is dangerous, and even more dangerous with the combined zeal of communism. Authoritarians will rig the system and create propaganda blinding the people preventing the way for true communism to emerge, which suppress the population and makes them put up with the bullshit for an ideal that isn't being lived up to.
And if you're making any comparisons to Iraq, yes, some fucked up shit happened, but not NEARLY as much as Vietnam, and Saddam was a fucking timebomb. In the past 25 years (circa 2003) he had started two wars and ruthlessly killed civilians in his own country and others to maintain his power.
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>>11663184 you have provided no argument or evidence in defense of your claim/opinion/whatever in response to my post
instead, you utilize an ad homonim attack to justify yourself
this implies that you have no response and are resorting to childish measures to convince yourself that you're right, which you are not unless you present a compelling and coherent argument in your defense
until such a time as you provide such an argument, I will remain unconvinced and retain the title belt
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>>11663217 All of my History teachers throughout highschool said America lost the Vietnamese war as we failed in what we were attempting to do, which was keep Vietnam from becoming communistic.
Still communist over there. We won alright, didn't we? Took nothing to bring them to the Capitalistic society they are now.
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In this battle of Townton the last of the Lancastrians were cornered and overwhelmed in the river in desperate individual battles with no where to run and pushed in to the stream, or they drowned in their armor, no quarter was given
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>>11663226 so, in response to this evil authoritarian zeal, we burn down villages?
I doubt many of the villagers understood what communism was and certainly their stillborn or mutated children didn't
no matter how evil the enemy you fight, killing and maiming innocents is never justified
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Why do people say the US lost Vietnam . The United States won Vietnam in 1973 ending our war
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no proof but great grandaddy was a russian inf. man during ww2 he was a closet socialist didnt agree with communistic ideals (he honestly just hated stalin from what i heard before he died) he told me they shot a crap ton of those Hitler youth kids when they were marching back west from Stalingrad he also was involved during the final assault on Berlin (or so he said) he fucking hated Germans (he really did have a problem with that) he smoked cigars he kicked ass he died 2004 age 99 btw he wrote told his son (my grandfather) during the sacking of berlin they raped pretty much every damn woman still around war sucks Nazism sucks feels bad man
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>>11663130 >war >implying playing it clean it possible, let alone advisable Anonymous
>>11663252 He was being facetious. America lost strategically, though tactically we almost never lost. It didn't help when reporters got caught up in the middle of Tet and started shitting themselves. Because they didn't understand real combat, they had no idea what was going on and assumed America was losing, when really the Tet Offensive did very little damage to US forces.
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I once read a Chinese poem of war in my Oriental History elective, a ditty about a battle. It talked about the horrors of war, and the poem kept of warning never to look down in a battle, where a carpet of blood, organs, half living human faces and grasping arms, and how the casualties of battle seem to become as if of one mass as feet of the living combatants trample them like grapes in a tub. I just realized how fucking horrifying a medieval battleground must have looked after. Movies make you think of human bodies lying around, rather than the twisted and squashed mire of dead human matter that it was due to press of battle stepping on the fallen
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>>11663225 Rush her, rack, smack and back her
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>>11663226 Authoritarian communism is pretty much the worst possible system, I agree. But there was nothing necessary about Vietnam. And that bit about rigging the system and creating propaganda to make people put up with bullshit for an ideal that isn't being lived up to? Well, look around you comrade, because that's America too.
History doesn't care much for pride or ideology
Your /k/ommandant !NqceGhVGk.
>>11663304 fail·ure/ˈfālyər/
Noun:
Lack of success.
An unsuccessful person, enterprise, or thing.
>He was being facetious. America lost strategically, though tactically we almost never lost. It didn't help when reporters got caught up in the middle of Tet and started shitting themselves. Because they didn't understand real combat, they had no idea what was going on and assumed America was losing, when really the Tet Offensive did very little damage to US forces. The U.S. was there to stop the country from becoming socialistic. THAT was the goal of the war. The goal was not obtained. It can be defined as a lack of success. See: Failure
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>>11663267 All they needed to know was not to side with the enemy. Wanna know why guerrilla warfare has become so prevalent? Because we're soft in the treatment of the population. Look back 300 years to the colonial powers. They were draconian in their punishment. Then, the brits went soft on the American colonies. Britain was torn politically on whether or not they should give America its independence. They didn't obviously, but there was a strong political element that hated the thought of fighting and killing the colonists. It's no coincidence that this happened to be the first successful colonial revolution in the world. Draconian punishments quash guerrilla warfare. It's unfortunate, but true. To get the enemy to stop fighting, you must make the costs of them winning too high, or kill them all. It's that simple.
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From Dafniya Libya June 2011
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>>11663267 who cares some rice rats hut burned
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>>11663335 Stop being a cunt you fucking tripfag. If you reread my post, I'm agreeing with you. What you're talking about is overall strategy, and the US lost strategically. Tactically, as in battles and comparing friendly and enemy casualties, the US won almost every battle. But that didn't matter. Why are you such a massive faggot?
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THE HORROR THE HORROR
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Also from libya, not sure when or where
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>>11663321 I agree with your assessment of America and was thinking the same thing as I typed it. The reality is, though, that our system sows more prosperity and progress than the other. Perhaps someday there will be a better system, but until it is invented or human nature changes, this is the best we got.
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And now Communsit Vietnam makes me nikes and t-shirts at 10 cents a pop . Even if you think you beat America we will just force the business on you
Your /k/ommandant !NqceGhVGk.
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>>11663363 Shit. Now that I look at it like that I feel kind of bad. My apologies. I simply thought of it in a way that made it seem like you were attempting to tell me I'm wrong in a concrete argument.
My apologies.
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>>11662353 Rommel wasn't a Nazi, he was just a German officer.
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>>11663392 I will agree that the tight little knot of elites that runs America has so far done a better job. The prefer to control people by subtle propaganda and by providing you with goods rather than forcing you to do stuff because that's ultimately cheaper and more sustainable. All ruling hirearchies are sustained by the ability to either get people to buy in, by offering them stuff and making them think its a good idea for whatever reason, or forcing them to cooperate, and our leaders favor the former, although they're willing to exercise the latter, especially against foreigners who go against the interests of the empire
But don't have too many illusions, their calculations can change at any time, hell I think they already might be changing a bit
/rant
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>>11663214 During an uprising by the Venezuelan guerrilla organisation Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional, a dying soldier clings to a priest with sniper fire all around them.
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>>11663494 So that's where its from
Thanks
Here's another with a priest
A lot of these fellows probably didn't make it
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>>11663293 >hilter youth >stalingrad >marchlol backlol westlol well he lied about that part at least
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>>11662625 Hipsters gonna hipst; what's under "No category"?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falaise_pocket >I dont remember this level in cawadooty The area in which the pocket had formed was full of the remains of battle.[80] Whole villages had been destroyed and ruined and abandoned equipment made some roads totally impassable. Corpses littered the area—not only those of soldiers, but civilians and thousands of dead cattle and horses.[81] In the hot August weather, maggots crawled over the bodies and hordes of flies descended on the area.[81][82] Pilots reported being able to smell the stench of the battlefield hundreds of feet above it.[81] General Eisenhower recorded that:
The battlefield at Falaise was unquestionably one of the greatest 'killing fields' of any of the war areas. Forty-eight hours after the closing of the gap I was conducted through it on foot, to encounter scenes that could be described only by Dante. It was literally possible to walk for hundreds of yards at a time, stepping on nothing but dead and decaying flesh.[83]
Fear of infection from the rancid conditions led the Allies to declare the area an "unhealthy zone".[84] Clearing the area was a low priority though and went on until well into November.[81] Many swollen bodies had to be shot to expunge gasses within them before they could be burnt,[82] and bulldozers were used to clear the area of dead animals.[81]
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>>11662910 My uncle fought in 'Nam and he came back pretty fucked up. He's normal now, but he still zones out once in a while and can't camp outside. He never talks about the shit that happened during the war.
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>>11663525 hmmm...
well the first hitler youth divisions were formed in '43 after massive losses at stalingrad and kursk and the russians did push west from stalingrad.
i think you need a good heaping handful of fuck off and jesus hates you also.
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>>11663617 >That guy in the back >not a single fuck Anonymous
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>>11663631 he's from somalia he dun give a fuck
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The most horrible thing about war that I personally saw was all the spaghetti on the roadsides. Nah, just kidding. I guess it was shocking to see how casual terminal violence had become--not just easy to smack a guy, or shoot a guy in the leg, or shoot a rabid, tick-covered dog--but the ease with which death was meted out to human beings.>that guy's walking the wrong direction on the hillside >light him up >we think that guy ran into that hut, but there's probably a family in there >light it up, drop shit on it, level it Not that I'm remorseful about anything, but the ease, or, I guess the simple chance of ever little thing, was shocking. Rotted bodies and explosion wounds are also quite horrible.
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>>11663744 My cousin was an embed photographer during the Iraq invasion. He's seen some shit.
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>>11663630 and they were never deployed on the ost front
so your slavshit grandpap must of been full of shit
like you can even remember war after drinking vodka and antifreeze for years
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What do you think is worse /k/ being in the military during a war or being a civilian in a warzone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death Anonymous
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>>11663586 I want to take a bunch of Vietnam vets camping one day.
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You niggers are ALL small time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgE2H0p1nY Apparently, these surgeries were all done in 1988 in Peshawar, Afghanistan. I have no idea what war was going on at the time.
The whole video is quite interesting, but go to 37:41 to cringe like a motherfucker.
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>>11663775 >hitler youth not deployed to the ostfront where the hell are you getting your ww2 facts from?
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>>11663810 I derped. It was probably the whole civil war thing going on....
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>>11663812 heheh wiki
sauce on them being deployed to the east front, cause i sure didnt find any
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>>11663810 >>11663810 >Gunshot wound to perineum NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE
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>>11663818 the civil war didnt start until the Soviets finished withdrawing in 1989.
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>>11663826 http://axishistory.com/index.php?id=3002 no sauce on east front
anti freeze fucked up many a russian soldier
though its sounding more and more like you great grandfather wasnt a soldier
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>>11663845 didnt even see the white flag until i finished staring at their heads
wtf man
Citizen Snips !!GIMH48Eg3Kx
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>>11663842 >What I'm going to do is place the right testicle into the left scrotum...somehow... I actually threw up.
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>>11663844 >>11663844 Hm.....then I'm at a loss.
Perhaps they might be filming in Peshawar, Pakistan, instead of Peshawar, Afghanistan.
This could put them right at the end-stages of the Iran-Iraq war.
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>>11663810 had YT set on lowest quality. accidentally let it load 15mins worth fuckit i guess ill watch it
make it 2.02 minutes before a goddamn foot falls apart
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>>11663810 There is no Peshawar Afghanistan. It's Peshawar, Pakistan, close to the Afghan border. It was a major mujahideen base for operations against hte Soviets, the Soviet Afghan war was from 1979 to 1989
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>>11662459 I think he does. It looks like he's in shock.
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>>11663810 >>11663903 It's probably causalities from the Soviet War in Afghanistan being operated on in refugee camps in Pakistan. The Red Cross likely produced the footage because A) It was a humanitarian crisis. B) The Soviets were trying out all their fun new weapons, like the 5.45*39, so they needed to have some training footage available for dealing with future casualties of this sort.
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>this thread I... I'm scared and I wanna go home.
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>>11662543 thanks for the book, where did you get your collection?
>mfw i'm very much a horrible book addict Anonymous
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>>11663961 Cheer up, today you'll must likely only get fucked up in the head.
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>>11663826 heres an interesting but only slightly related video. its a propaganda film showing a hitler youth kid getting the iron cross, and then some dead people that the russians killed.
they did fight on the ostfront though, you'd probably find more information in books than through google/wiki.
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>>11663940 I'll have the extra crispy please.
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>>11663217 C'ept that war against Canada...
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>>11663969 see
>>11662625 Can't access piratebay for some reason, so I haven't found it. And taking 3 hours to compress the collection to a zip is not going to happen.
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>>11663988 I've read quite a few books on the east front, one just recently, cannot remember Hitler Youth being mention. I could totally be wrong, but why don't you provide some sauce.
As far as I can tell, they fought in Normandy and the defense of Germany. While the defense of Germany may count has the East front they were not at Stalingrad, and if there was any at Stalingrad, well not many Germans marched west from that city.
>he told me they shot a crap ton of those Hitler youth kids when they were marching back west from Stalingradhe told me they shot a crap ton of those Hitler youth kids when they were marching back west from Stalingrad >he told me they shot a crap ton of those Hitler youth kids when they were marching back west from Stalingrad Anonymous
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>>11664027 >he told me they shot a crap ton of those Hitler youth kids when they were marching back west from Stalingrad Uh I promise I only meant to paste that once.
You pappy is still full of it though
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>>11664027 We know they fought in the East at the end of the war, at Stettin Heights and in the defense of Berlin itself and I'd reckon other places like Pomerania and stuff
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>>11663810 I noped when they started unwrapping the day-old wounds.
>dat prime rib i had yesterday Anonymous
>>11664075 i keep turning away and going on other pages
i can hear them sawing bone in an amputation
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>>11664027 read "the forgotten soldier" by guy sajer. firsthand account of a wehrmacht soldier on the ostfront. theres significant mention in the book where hitler youth units show up. they weren't present at stalingrad, that was the 6th army, but they showed up when the red army started to move westward and were sent to the frontlines to get thrown into the meatgrinder like everyone else.
not to mention its a great book that everyone on /k/ should read, definitely /k/ommando material. shit'll change how you see ww2.
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>>11664049 >While the defense of Germany may count has the East front they were not at Stalingrad, and if there was any at Stalingrad, well not many Germans marched west from that city. Did you not read this?
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>>11662216 >It was necessary to beat them off Anonymous
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>>11664092 hah im up to 11 mins, keep having to take breaks but im going to finish it i think
why the hell would anyone want to be a doctor
I guess you get some feels when you someone back together but holy shit.
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>>11663810 18 min in, the entire time im hoping his arm isnt amputated
goddamm all that puss
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>>11664114 >>11664114 wait wait wait wait a fucking minute
a wire bone saw?!?!?!
uuuguhhgghghghgh still gonna finsih
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>>11663810 >>11663810 I saw that in a TV show. I think it was NCIS. The doc on the show or some doc was working for the russians and doing intel for the US gov on their new toys all while doing experiential surgeries at the same time. I think he ended up torturing a few rebel fighters for the russians and had some flash backs or something. I liked the episode.
People often forget about the American Cvil War death camp at Andersonville. I will never forget.
Fucking jews taking all the attention away. Genocide has happened to everyone it doesn't make you special or absolve you of crimes. No mentions of others who died in camps just your sorry asses always and forever. Don't forget more people died in gulags then nazi camps.
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>>11663225 Shoot her and die a little inside. She is still the enemy and will do the same to you.
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>>11664147 >>11664144 >>11664114 You niggers are NOT gonna like the perineum wound....
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this video just keeps getting worse and worse
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that feel they told you there would be no resistance on Tarawa that feel when they where fucking wrong. imagine fighting the pacific campaign no prisoners japanese find you stick your severed dick in your mouth grenade the hospital staff. god help you if your on flamethrower 10 second life span.
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>>11664173 Also, be sure to watch the skin grafts. Those are awesome.
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>>11664177 >doc lifts up patients arm >a cup of pus pours out oh my fucking stars
anyone else having problems posting pics?
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>>11663225 Fuck her and high five because we'd likely be on the same side. The idea that China and US would ever go to war is silly as fuck. We'd both be neutered and in serious economic shit without each other. We need China's cheap goods and rare earth metals, China needs our mass consumption, and innovation to steal and use because they can't engineer for shit.
There isn't going to be a "WWIII" in our current geopolitical age, deal with it. Closest we could possibly get is if the Eurasian Union gets traction and we see some old school Cold War style land grabs and try to prop up resistances like we did with the Mujahedin and Contras.
God damn you Red Dawn fucks never cease to rustle my jimmies.
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>>11664223 >hypothetical scenario >go full autism take your meds
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>>11663810 >"This will contribute to his death." I can't see how anyone stays a doctor after a few days of being in a warzone. Horrible shit happens in war and peace, no doubt. But in peace time it's rare. You may see some shit from a bad car accident or from criminal activity or whatever, but you have time to process it before you see it again. To tuck it away in your mind and concern yourself with all the more normal day to day cases.
How can anyone do that shit in a warzone though? How do you even stay sane when you spend day after day, all day putting lumps of meat together and knowing for almost certain fact that it's futile and they're going to die on your table anyways.
Fuck.
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>>11664234 Yeah, I guess I did kinda blow my stack.
Oh well, shit happens.
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>>11664234 A dumb answer for a dumb question.
And one that didn't even really fit into this thread.
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>>11664240 >How can anyone do that shit in a warzone though? A gin still and picking on your retarded tentmate I guess.
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>>11664240 I imagine doing it every day would actually be better than having time to process it. You'd be really surprised what the human mind can acclimate to given enough exposure. I work as a photographer at a newspaper. Most of the older guys have been covering car accidents and trials so long they text each other jokes about the rape victims during hearings and try to make each other lose it in the court room during her testimony. See something enough, and it starts to lose it's bite. Of course, you lose a bit of yourself in the process, but shit man, it's gotta be done.
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Check out this guy's channel for some Libya Civil War videos. He's some American guy from San Diego who goes to Libya originally as a freelance journalist and to provide medical help, but he starts fighting later after the Gaddafi forces started executing ambulance crews.
www.youtube.com/user/orac22 The videos aren't really in order and kind of hard to follow, and there's a lot of them. But there are some good ones in there. I spent like a week watching this guy's channel.
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>>11664254 Fuck, I lol'd. Well done, anon. Well done.
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bump what happened to the anon who found out his greatgranddaddy was full of lies?
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you know what's weird? this thread is making me hungry.
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>>11663473 >elites that run america no, it is much much more decentralized and chaotic than that.
back to /x/ with you
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>>11663810 >skin graphing >puking_anime_girl.jpeg Anonymous
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>>11664267 >that feel when hardcore and need no jokes and actually have respect fucking normals
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Does anyone have pictures of the casualties in the 2008 South Ossetia War. I had images of Russian convoys passing by ditches littered with corpses, and I remember one of the images had a guy sitting amongst dozens of dead bodies writing down the body count or something. The hard drive they were on died. ;_;
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>>11662721 that's from one of the mines the british put underneath the german trench lines after tunnelling under them. There's still a bunch of those that still haven't gone off and their locations are unknown except for one thats under a farm house.
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>>11662860 fun fact: the naked girl now lives somewhere in western Canada
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>>11664637 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lochnagar_mine >order your troops to occupy the crater >forget and shell crater such is life in ww1
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>>11662819 >Overplayed the nasty parts Are you fucking serious? Still going on about that
american "dolchstoss"-legend?
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>>11664783 Take the Tet Offensive for example. That was a staggering setback for the communists...
But then Walter Cronkite got his retarded ass on the news and handed the North Vietnamese a massive propaganda victory. You're damn right we got stabbed in the back.
7/10 Jimmies are tingling badly
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>>11664805 >But then Walter Cronkite got his retarded ass on the news and handed the North Vietnamese a massive propaganda victory. clarify plox, im too tired to google
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>>11662321 There is no crime in war.
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>>11662216 The Chinese still take pride in the battles of the Korean War, no matter how many casaulties they suffered.
Because besides horrors of war, there also existed honour in battle; for example Task Force Faith:
>At this point, darkness closed in, ending the protective Marine air cover. Chinese infantry assaults grew bolder, penetrating closer to the convoy. RCT-31 began to disintegrate. Almost all of its officers were dead or seriously wounded. Separate attacks were made on the hill which cleared part of it, but many of the leaderless soldiers, instead of returning to the column, continued out onto the frozen reservoir immediately behind the hill and walked on the ice toward Marine positions several miles to the south, seeking safety. >Here the Chinese renewed their attack, swarming among the trucks, throwing white phosphorus grenades into vehicles loaded with wounded, setting some of them on fire. >Chinese officers and soldiers involved in this battle were new to international conflicts. They had been used to allowing their Chinese Nationalist opponents to survive and surrender after the combat on their own volition. They often just stood by as American soldiers dropped their weapon and left once the combat was over. There were instances in which they actually let go of prisoners who already surrendered. The 27th Corps was later criticized by PLA historians for not making any serious attempts to gather POW's, thus enabling so many members of Task Force Faith to reach safety and fight again. pic link: The contemporary badge of the 80th mot. infantry brigade Red Panthers, who beat the US Polar Bear Regiment ( Regimental Combat Team 31 (RCT-31)) during the Battle of Chosin Reservoir.
http://image.hnol.net/c/2009-03/01/22/200903012223142432-1194372.jpg Anonymous
>>11664840 The Chinese mostly were just satisfied with destroying the US Marine's heavy weapons (this is why the WP grenades they threw into the trailers, thinking that they were loaded with heavy weapons and not wounded soldiers), which is why the US had more survivors, despite getting hit pretty hard and being surrounded. The Chinese just left them flee...
link: The captured flag of the 31th RCT
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>>11662625 >>11662625 >>11662625 Is this anon still in here? Care to upload some more??
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Everyone should read (or watch the movie) Johnny Got His Gun
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For anyone who cares
http://historical-blogs-network.tumblr.com/ all historical war blogs.
Some of them are a bit shit, but others are fucking fantastic, especially thedevilsguard and kampfgruppe. one of the ones further down the list is mine.
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I.. I don't understand how real soldiers do it, /k/. Explain to me.. why? Why do it? Why do you put your life on the line, sacrificing your sanity, your life, your wellbeing, your very soul? ..why?
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>>11665012 to gain entrance to valhalla.
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>>11665013 The screams.. The screams are what get me.. The sounds a human body can make when it is in pain. The cries of those in pain.. they.. i don't know.. I just don't know.
I know that, if the time came, and I had to kill a man, I would do it with no hesitation, but.. to do so on a daily basis, to kill people and just have it be part of your life, to tear apart your soul every day, it's just..
I don't know..
All i know is that any man that can walk away from a war sane deserves the utmost of respect..
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>>11665012 blind patriotism and paid college tuition
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>>11662621 cultural bullshit is bullshit.
After Rusian defeat in 1905, the jap made quite a few prisonner. they put them in nice camp, and made a point in making their stay confortable.
Same thing for German prisoner in WWI.
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>>11663044 1 million men died at the Battle of the Somme. Accounts from the German side recall allied troops marching and running through machine-gun and artillery fire in waves. Human wave attacks against artillery and MGs...what were they thinking? One German MG position was reported to have fired 25000 rounds over the course of the battle, killing immense numbers of allied troops. An Irish position started a full mile behind their British counterparts under artillery fire, only to meet a higher concentration as they reached the front, combined with MG fire...out of 3000 men, 50 reached the German lines and somehow managed to gain a foothold, only to be forced to retreat at the end of the battle. It's almost inconceivable.
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>>11665012 Patriotism, Nationalism, blind naivete, desperation...reasons run the gamut of human responses. Sometimes, their blood and suffering is worth it. Most times, it is not.
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>>11663582 German were using horses for transportation.
At falaise, the allies closed poche while a whole division tried to escape. Mens take cover, bound horses ...
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Surprised no one is bringing up the American Civil War. That was some of the most brutal shit ever. Imagine getting your limbs hacked off with a hacksaw, nothing more than a slug of whisky to help ease the pain and strap of leather to clench down on.
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Nobody read "War against War!"?
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Read Storm of Steel by Ernst Jünger, it's like Al Quiet on the Western Front, just written by somebody who actually was a bloody war hero and loved to fight.
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>>11665012 Which side are we taking the perspective off?
A lot of the responses to your question are taking the side of the (American) invading force and naturally they are poking cheap jabs at the 'welfare queen' aspect.
Fair enough but consider being on the other side - let's say your home country is being invaded by a hostile and aggressive force which you know nothing about nor care nothing about the politics being a simple farmhand from a village. Suddenly friends, distant relatives being murdered, killed, raped, your own lifestyle thrown into chaos, you get involuntarily thrown out of your homelands etc etc.
Can you really say you wouldn't take up arms and fight back or just turn a blind eye and walk away from it all?
You start fighting and pretty soon it becomes your new life, you start out fighting for revenge, for liberation, for honour and whatever else you think off, pretty soon your fighting for the sake of simply staying alive, there's no end in sight.
War is a simple thing and a man can be made to do terrible things very readily and very easily.
It is human nature whether you like it or deny it.
I suggest you read on Stanley Milgrams prison experiments on obedience for a small psychological taster of what power can do to people and how authority can affect a persons judgement.
Only a naive person would truly think they are immune to everything and could 'rise up' and spit in it's face with whatever higher moral ground backing they may claim.
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>>11665115 That was standard medical/surgical practice at the time though wasn't it?
Not because it was brutal but medical science and technology simply hadn't progressed.
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>>11665173 Yes and no. There were definitely opiates and other methods of drugging a patient before an amputation, but when you're cutting off 200 legs a day, you don't have the time or money or logistics to do anything much other than giving them something to bite down on and maybe a few sips of hard alcohol.
You have to understand, the american civil war being fought the way it was fought was akin technologically to if we tried to fight a trench war today. They were fighting a large scale war with napoleonic tactics using rifles and artillery three times as accurate as during Napoleon's day. Toss in the advent of the bullet (as opposed to ball) and the gatling gun (though its use was limited), and you have a recipe for horror comparable to WWI.
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>>11665205 I'm not so much as disputing the brutality of it (because certainly it wasn't anything novel in that respect) but rather that the aspect that was chosen (i.e limb ampuatation) as a measure of the brutality is a misplaced one.
They used to have shows in London back in those days where the middle/upper classes would go watch an amputation live without anaesthetics etc. and surgeons in those days used to pride themselves on how quickly they could cut off a limb being something of an art. This sort of thing was common place, accepted, and actually quite well tolerated,
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>>11665239 There's a difference between battlefield surgery and controlled surgery in a civilian environment.
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all dose soldiers, all dose people.
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>>11663638 Thanks, and I was referring to myself as a hipster just then.
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my great-granfather died of mustard gas, though it was after he came home. took a while to kill people apparently funny thing is, he was a first-generation German (Prussian to be exact) immigrant
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>>11667266 john singer sargent
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>>11667273 welp, can't see anymore
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>>11667277 the germans were by no means the only to use gas, though in murrican schools that is what you would be lead to believe. here is a british cylinder drop in preparation for the Somme
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>>11667285 a german drop
learned a lot about this in my organic chemistry class, the professor liked to make irl examples of what we were learning. he also taught us how to make meth (not that it's hard or anything) but a synthesis test question once was that
DOGS !62uS3nN5cE
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>>11667297 >filename unearthed in '06
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>>11667304 well shit, forgot image, now I got flood
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>>11667285 in fact, check out this blatantly ripped stat from wikipedia
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>>11667325 one of my favorite artists from the war-weimar period, Otto Dix
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>>11667332 the match vendor, same dude
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>>11667285 Germans were the first to use it if I remember correctly. They used it to clear about 7km of the french front line, but failed to take advantage of the break before allied reserves arrived.
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>>11667341 not your average triptych
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Look at these dudes. Theres that one jolly faggot, but those others don't look so happy.
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>>11667350 Wow the one in the center is just... wow. I would love to have a print of it in my home, a bit to macabre though, the one on the left is something I could see on my wall though.
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>>11664819 Cronkite played it up like the North Vietnamese had scored a gigantic victory, when they had actually fucked up on a grand scale.
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>>11667363 welp I gtg eat, I'll maybe bump the thread later
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>>11667382 is it just me or are the soldiers looking at the ground?
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Holy shit, /k/, I'm crying like nobody's business right now.
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>>11662860 Reported for CP.