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Hey /k/, at a bonfire last night, we went on a tour of the owners 18th century home, and discovered a hidden wall closet, there were no firearms, but there was an old, empty .22lr box, and a box of Peters Victor Rustless, Smokeless 12ga shotgun shells, with 23 shells remaining. The shells are made out of paper rather than modern plastic. What's the approximate value of them? Are they still safe to shoot? Do you think there's a second hidden closet with a loaded double barreled shotgun somewhere in their house?
Shoperator
I'm guessing in the 1920's or 30's a mafia assassin lived in that house - smokeless shotgun shells for run and gun bloodbaths.
OP
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>>8776605 A distinct possibility, though I don't think Lexington, KY was the site of major organized crime.
And thought the box in the picture says 16 ga, the box in question is 12 ga.
OP
A distinct possibility, though I don't think Lexington, KY was the site of major organized crime.
Anonymous
sell them as collector ammunition.?
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fucking rainbow king of dick suck land !!DDm5Y17CuD8 Sun 01 May 2011 03:54:00 No. 8776701 Report >>8776594 What's the approximate value of them?Not to be a smartass, but depends 100% on what someone pays for them. I deal in antique stuff from time to time, and this is the way it is.
>Are they still safe to shoot? The primers are no doubt dead by now.
>The shells are made out of paper rather than modern plastic. Back before plastic, the shells were made of either paper or all brass. All brass shells have a reputation for never wearing out. One gunwriter had two boxes of all brass and shot them for 30 years and had a box and a half when he retired from shooting.
OP
>>8776692 First I need to buy them from their owner, and I'm wondering what a fair offer would be. I'm also wondering if it's safe to shoot, if I felt so inclined.
Drake !srMCyCxCQM
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>>8776594 Paper shells have some collector value, but not much unless they are in complete boxes in like-new condition. You could probably sell the partial box for $20-30 on an auction site if it's in good shape.
They're fine to shoot if the hulls haven't bulged. The waxed paper shells had limited resistance to wet environments which is what spurred the development of metal and plastic hulls.
Anonymous
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>>8776707 >shooting antique ammunition full retard
Anonymous
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>>8776701 >The primers are no doubt dead by now. I wouldn't be so sure about that. I recently yanked the old, oxidized bullet from a 70 year old cordite .577/450 cartridge and replaced it with a newly cast/patched bullet (same mold Kynoch used) and fired it through my Martini Henry. It hung for about 3/4 seconds, though.
OP
The owner is a bit of an anti-gun person, so it shouldn't be too hard to coax the box from her, but I don't want to lowball her. $20 seems fair then?
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>>8776701 >The primers are no doubt dead by now. Victor shells were made into the 1960's. I doubt they'd be duds already. If the box has a DuPont logo as the one in OP's example photo, they're newer than the mid-1930's.
Here's a VIctor headstamp.
Anonymous
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>>8776748 Offer what they are worth to you personally. Trying to auction the things is going to be tricky. Where it me, I would offer $10, and try to get an artsy friend of mine to set them up in a shadow box in a nice way.
Human GPS 2.0 !!PAEbvZ2WqlK
Peter's Cartridge factory, King's Mills Ohio. 80 some people died in a accident in the late 1800's. The factory produced munitions ranging from artillery projectiles to .22 Short until the 1950's when it was abandoned. The factory sit silent along the Little Miami River and the bike trail, slowly rotting away.
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>>8776765 It really is a cool place to explore.
>Priming facility in the right foreground, casing production left and shot tower in the back. Anonymous
>>8776765 How is that sign secured? It'd look nice in a gun room. I'm not for stealing shit from historic buildings, but I need that sign.
Human GPS 2.0 !!PAEbvZ2WqlK
>>8776772 The black powder production facility and storage rooms were built so well that they were demolished using explosives, the only things left of that portion of the factory are rubble and the old foundation.
OP
>>8776765 >>8776772 So are you allowed to explore the facility? The sign says no trespassing and all that, but that's only an hour or so away from my hometown, I'd like to pay it a visit.
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>>8776773 It's cut into the face of the factory entrance. Looks like limestone up close and some idiot drove masonry screws into it.
The old walkway to the black powder facility and storage.
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>>8776794 Not really, but if you can get into the entrance to the old "haunted house" part you can get into the rest of the factory. The only real good time you can get into the actual facility is at night, the local police like to hang out there.
The powerhouse across the river has long since been destroyed but it's pilings are still visible when you cross the bridge. Some fun graffitti on the haunted house doors.
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>>8776821 Some more nice shots from the place.
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>>8776837 And more pictures.
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>>8776847 More pictures, I believe this is the last one.
>>8776765 >>8776772 >>8776787 >>8776799 >>8776821 >>8776837 This is relevant to my interests.
I, too, happened to do some exploring today, post-german airfield in Rogowo to be exact.
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>>8776854 Wait, found some more.
Aparently, after the factory was abandoned, vandals stole entire rows of windows. Why? I haven't a clue.
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>>8776867 And some more. Next time I travel to Cincinnati, I'll take some more pictures for you guys.
OP
>>8776821 Yeah, I read about that. So they will arrest you for trespassing then? It seems like it'd be damn creepy (and strangely cool) to go rummaging around there with nothing but a flashlight for light.
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>>8776857 Very cool.
Black powder facility foundation.
>>8776867 When the 31. BAS was abandoned, vandals stole gun mount.
A fucking gun mount, complete with feeding system, rail carts for ammo supply (with tracks), elevators for said ammo, staircases (!) rangefinder, and all that.
Here's all that remains, by the way.
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>>8776891 I went in at night using the old shot tower cooling creek for an entrance. They can and will arrest you, but only if they catch you. That place is huge inside. A word of advice : The floors are falling apart near the furnaces and the lower floors. There are literally holes 6' across in the middle of a 1' thick concrete floor that go all the way down to the next floor. That building itself has 30' ceilings at some points, so just be careful!
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>>8776903 >>8776903 The Ward returns!
BRING TO US MORE PICTURES OF THIS POLAND YOU SPEAK OF
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>>8776920 Ok. So here's what little I have of Rogowo airfield.
I'd gladly make some pics, but I lack a proper digital camera (ironic, since I got myself several ANALOG ones complete with full photography workshop equipment passed on as heirloom). So for now this will have to do.
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Some kind of rails.
Anonymous
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>>8776676 >lexington, ky Someone doesn't watch justified.
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The thread strayed from ammo to abandoned military installations.
OP
>>8776918 Holy crap. 60 years of weather have not been very kind to that building then. I wonder if you can get permission from the police to explore?
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Buildings like these seem to appear in most German military bases. I've seen them in the old pics of Bagicz, and they're present both in the White and in the Red barracks located in Ko?obrzeg.
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>>8776968 I bet that you could ask the property owner (there's a few businesses back there) and tell them you just want to take photos. They should be nice enough as long as you don't fuck their shit up. Also, tell them that they can even come along so they know you aren't fucking them over.
>>8776968 >I wonder if you can get permission from the police to explore? Why would you? They don't seem to mind, most of the time.
I was also passing near the old gunpowder depot. Sadly, I couldn't find pics of it, so I guess I'll need to make some myself someday.
OP
>>8776979 That seems like a good idea. I knew the Hamilton SWAT team trains there, I didn't know there were still businesses there.
>>8776989 Apparently people have been arrested for trespassing there, and the police do have standing orders to prosecute anyone they find there. And jail does not seem very nice. I'd rather play it safe before breaking the law.
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>>8776996 I wonder why that's not in the side of a hill. At the munition's factory, they were in the side of a hill with 2' walls, a 1' metal door and a 6" concrete roof so all the force of an explosion got forced up and out.
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>>8777004 Oh. Well, in here most ruins/abandoned places are state property anyways, and the police doesn't care. So... We're free to do some elevator shaft climbing whenever we want (not that I want to, once was enough. NEVER again).
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>>8777009 It looks like it's been coated with earth and grass for camouflage.
As to why it isn't coated completely, well... Maybe it was. The buildings are at least 70 years old, and have survived a world war (some even two of them).
It also lacks a roof, by the way.
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Here's the residential (?) complex.
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Now my personal favorite, Bagicz airfield.
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Been there two days ago. They made a cool cycling path nearby, though it's been washed away by flood. Currently under repair.
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This thing housed a Scud with nuclear payload. Or so people say.
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19. BAS now, this one's a real eye candy.
Now with a video, too!
http://vimeo.com/18320968?ab
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Site's reasonably intact, due to being constantly patrolled by the military (there's an ammo depot nearby).
