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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:35:00 No.8781515 View View Reply Original Report

If the AKM was an american gun, would /k/ praise the soviet M4/M16 platform because of its high accuracy and ergonomics and pan the AKM?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:37:00 No.8781521 Report

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>>8781515
/k/ likes to masturbate over Russian stuff because American propaganda against Russia backfired, same with the Nazis

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:37:00 No.8781522 Report

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No not really. I own 2 aks for their reliability and super cheap ammo. 5.45x39 ftw

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:40:00 No.8781536 Report

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>>8781521
That's one way to put it, maybe it's why /k/ loves the nugget

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:43:00 No.8781550 Report

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AKM = fucking good rifle. M-16 = early ones were crap but the new ones are fucking good rifles.

/K/ loves to fap to any gun that has a badass cultural "image" attached to it, and the AK rifles have that in spades.

Shitgrin

Shitgrin Mon 02 May 2011 00:49:00 No.8781561 Report

Quoted By: >>8781563 >>8781564 >>8781576 >>8781584

Anyone that's ever fired an AK even on semi knows they suck. Firing one on rocknroll is just fucking stupid. They're overrated but fun. Ammo is cheap and they're easy to maintain but thats it. AR > AK

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:51:00 No.8781563 Report

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>>8781561
>firing one on rocknroll

lold

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:51:00 No.8781564 Report

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>>8781561

Oh shit you refer to full auto as rocknroll. Are you a tactical operator?

Anonymous !!zkyAeytsDSJ

Anonymous !!zkyAeytsDSJ Mon 02 May 2011 00:52:00 No.8781570 Report

Quoted By: >>8781606

the kalashnikov platform would never have been an american weapon; nor would the stoner direct impingement design have been a soviet one. each of these designs is diametrically opposed to the economic and strategic values that gave birth to the other design.

the technology of stalin's red army was about rapid industrialization from limited resources and adapting simple, well-tested designs to yield the greatest power-projection capacity. the ability to spin up manufacturing quickly and easily in other potential communist allies was a huge advantage to the kalashnikov platform. imagine trying to produce ar-15s in 1960s romania or china -- it just wouldn't happen, but soviet designs were totally at home in those industrial economies. they did pay for this industrial agility with a less accurate platform for marksmen, but the kalashnikov pattern rifle was the perfect fit for cold war-era communist regimes.

on the other hand, the technology of the american cold war military aimed to use its vast engineering and manufacturing resources to produce the finest war-fighting technology money could buy. the cartridges were the lightest front-line infantry ammunition ever fielded; the platform was designed around the newest and most advanced technology that was feasible in those days -- machined aluminum parts, minimal moving mass on cycling, high-velocity low-mass projectiles. and they paid for this with reduced reliability in early revisions, but one can hardly imagine the united states fielding something as technically simplistic as the M3 grease gun when the post-WWII period of economic prosperity and technological advancement made the stoner platform possible.

so no, i don't think the question in the original post is a valid one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:54:00 No.8781576 Report

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>>8781561
>Has never fired an AK, or an AR-15, or any gun period (with exception of a .22)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 00:56:00 No.8781584 Report

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>>8781561
Mine works fine, you're doing it wrong. Guy next to me with a 223 AR was getting pretty much the same groups as me and my 5.45 ak

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:04:00 No.8781606 Report

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>>8781570
OP post is about ''envy of the neighbor'' or why people praise foreign stuff.
Your post is interesting, but nobody asked what you aswered, smartass.

GIRL! !!xfn1bmb3QAI

GIRL! !!xfn1bmb3QAI Mon 02 May 2011 01:08:00 No.8781621 Report

Quoted By: >>8781641 >>8781677 >>8785023 >>8785311 >>8785458

How to make an AK better:
>Improve/relocate safety
Seriously, the AK safety is one of the shittiest safeties ever. Even the new safeties around for them that let you use your index finger are substantially slower to use than an AR or similar style safety.
You also get rid of that design flaw that causes a big hole in the receiver causing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqRwx4wtmms
>Improve sights
The iron sights on AKs are carry overs from older rifles, mostly bolt rifles when the irons were further forward because of the action. They're poorly thought out, and notch and post iron sights are inaccurate and just plain suck.
>Magazine well/straight in mags
Rock and lock magazines are sooo 1960s. Really, they work, but a magazine/straight in system is a lot faster and simpler to use. The "trade off" in robustness is minimal and worth it.

How to make an AR better:
>Improve magazines
Original USGI mags were horribly cheap aluminum mags. Luckily, with the addition of PMags, this has more or less been solved.
Still, part of the AK's "legendary" reliability comes from it's magazines, not the piston system itself. Bad mags will make any gun choke, no matter how great it is.
>Use lube

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:13:00 No.8781641 Report

Quoted By: >>8781649 >>8781657 >>8781665 >>8781671

>>8781621
How to make this thread better
>GIRL gets the fuck out
She is a shitty tripfaggot who cannot even prove she went to college

GIRL! !!xfn1bmb3QAI

GIRL! !!xfn1bmb3QAI Mon 02 May 2011 01:15:00 No.8781649 Report

Quoted By: >>8781665

>>8781641
>uneducated butthurt Anon
Oh, lolz.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:16:00 No.8781657 Report

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>>8781641
You are cancer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:18:00 No.8781665 Report

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>>8781641
>complain about tripfag
>end up just giving tripfag attention
have you ever herped so hard that you derped bro?
>>8781649
stop being a bitch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:21:00 No.8781671 Report

Quoted By: >>8781680

>>8781641
Lol u mad?
If she is anywhere near as hot as those pictures I say she is a welcome to this sausage-fest here we call /k/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:23:00 No.8781677 Report

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>>8781621
My fav camwhore

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 01:24:00 No.8781680 Report

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>>8781671
>If HE is anywhere near as hot as those pictures, no girls on the internet.

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Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 03:00:00 No.8782184 Report

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>>8781515
Yes, pretty yes.

Hartek !!5wqnKdjii4j

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Hartek !!5wqnKdjii4j Mon 02 May 2011 10:49:00 No.8785023 Report

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>>8781621

Tell me, how does a post/notch iron sight have reduced accuracy compared to a aperture sight? I hear this line touted by all the AR lovers with little reasoning/logic. I only hear stuff like, your eyes naturally line up circles easier, but this only would account for a faster sight picture and not a more accurate one.

Look at this picture. Fucking look at it. Where the fuck is there room for error in vertical/horizontal plane error? You put the damn post so that it is level with the notch and you put it in the middle of the damn notch so you cannot have any amount of margin of error for sight alignment in any direction.

Aperture sights have been around for a long time and on many of the early bolt action rifles. Many countries choose the notch sights because there is none of this bullshit put a post in the middle of a circle cutting off your vision around the target. Combat aperture sights are pretty neat but lulzy if you're trying to claim accuracy for a sight.

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Hartek !!5wqnKdjii4j Mon 02 May 2011 11:16:00 No.8785311 Report

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>>8781621

Also on the subject of magazine insertion/retention...

Rock and lock is still a very valid design feature. Consider the fact that the first S in SPORTS is because of the design drawback in a button/single detent magazine design. Magazines, especially worn out USGI ones are notorious for not being inserted all the way causing a feeding error. Heck I've had some mags that I needed to give a good slap to seat correctly and have used the slap procedure to only give me a double feed from a round popping out of the magazine in addition to the one being fed from the bolt. You do not see videos of Russian soldiers or anyone shooting an AK slapping the baseplate. Why? Because rock n' lock ensure the magazine is seated correctly every time. It may be faster in theory land, but with practice both become fast enough that there's a margin of difference of 1/2 second.

Look at these two vids...

http://www.youtube(DOT)com/watch?v=Hx0JzYcwUiY&feature=related

And this one at 4:30
http://www.youtube(DOT)com/watch?v=I3XCMNYMHFM&feature=player_embedded#at=270

This difference is .6 of a second. If that's a major concern for you, then I do not want to be in a firefight under you direction.

Hartek !!5wqnKdjii4j

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Hartek !!5wqnKdjii4j Mon 02 May 2011 11:34:00 No.8785458 Report

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>>8781621

And finally on the subject of the AK safety. Generally, I do not actually care much about any safety on any gun. The biggest protip on an AK safety is to not use it based on US army procedures.

When you get to a point that you need to shoot, or are about to engage, simply take your left hand put it under the gun and pull down on the lever. Do not put it back on safe til all gun firing activities are done for the day/long time. It is this way that you can use any safety without any impedence at all.

The big hole and the actual open nature of the AK receiver is a double sided coin. Generally more dirt gets in which can cause it malfunction at certain times where perhaps another gun would function with a more closed-type receiver.

However, all that is likely needed to clear an AK is removing the dust cover and shaking it. Heck, you don't even have to put the cover back on. This allows for a much quicker time to rectify the gun and make it ready for use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 11:45:00 No.8785597 Report

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>>8785458
I tend to use the safety on any firearm. But I wouldn't call the AK safety terrible. It works, it's reliable, and it has a built in dust cover. It never gave me trouble.

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