Decision time for me /k/
I am going to be able to afford one of these rifles come Christmas. Or just after if I have to put it off. Which one should I get?
IAC 47 or the IAC 74
Both of them I want eventually but I can't decide on which one to buy first. I have never shot 5.45x39mm and the ammo is plentiful and cheap around here. 7.62x39mm is also plentiful and cheap and I have shot it in several SKS carbines so I am familiar with the round. I'm at an impasse decision wise. The IAC 74 is more money but not by much. What would you recommend I go with? What are some of the advantages of the 5.45 over the 7.62?
IAC 47
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct947.aspx IAC 74
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct949.aspx
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
Start out with a 7.62 AK, then if you like the platform enough, get a 5.45 AK. The fact you have an SKS now means you have the benefit of not paying for two different calibers.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9687446 This is me, Come back on /k/ and trip is inactive.
>>9687505 Ok well that does make sense, what kind of performance can you get out of the 5.45 though? I like the hit of a 7.62 on Coyote and Antelope when I use an SKS. The main purpose for this rifle is that you convinced me to get one for SHTF purposes. Damn you. heh.
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
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>>9687514 It's the Soviet answer to the 5.56, so expect a greater emphasis on muzzle velocity and accuracy. I honestly don't particularly care for 5.45 AKs (maybe when I get one down the road that'll change), so I'm no expert on specific performance traits.
Anonymous
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>>9687446 The 74 because it's hundreds upon millions of times more sexy.
Anonymous
>>9687446 Obviously, having 2 guns in the same caliber is more economic but what can a AK-47 do that your SKS can't?
I'd personally get the 74
Anonymous
>>9687551 The ak is shorter, has more accessories available, and has detatchable mags stock. The SMS is more accurate due to the longer barrel
GiRL! !!xfn1bmb3QAI
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
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>>9687551 The AK can be much more practical, for starters.
Anonymous
>>9687566 Well, if OP is only shooting at coyotes I don't think the shorter length and bigger magazine of the AK matters.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9687584 Ok if that's the case then I want an AK in 5.56 and not a Saiga. I really don't like the AR platform. Any suggestions?
>>9687551 Greater ammo capacity, less accuracy
>>9687566 The permanent or detachable mag is not really the issue for consideration as far as my decision goes. I grew up on black powder rifles so having 10 rounds is a god send to me.
>>9687604 I use my SKS for that already, I was thinking more of an all weather weapon that I can pack with me and will provide food and defense.
Anonymous
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>>9687584 [citation needed]
GiRL! !!xfn1bmb3QAI
>>9687648 >I really don't like the AR platform An AR is the absolute best gun you can get for a 5.56 rifle or carbine. No exceptions. You're selling yourself short and settling for a gun of lesser capabilities if you're barring it out.
That said, if you insist on it, you can get a saiga in 5.56 and convert it or an Arsenal SLR-106.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9687671 What makes it the best gun? Now I have heard you talk a lot about it but I am still unconvinced. I've fired them before, never owned one and I have been interested in the past but direct impingement is not something I really like as opposed to short stroke piston. This is a legitimate question here GiRL, what makes the AR so superior aside from the customability options.
Tricked !nBkoZiTdrE
>>9687446 The biggest advantage will be when you're running across the open fields, bayonet attached, screaming towards the enemies of the United States; the cunning Black Bear of North America. Having said that, the enemy is tough, well equip and on his own territory. For the purposes of assaulting the bears, the 7.62x39 round is going to a bit more damage, because frankly, these bears are heavily armored. Remember the Russians concept of the round spawned from the German machine gun fire over whelming the poorly equip conscripts of the Second World War. This in turn, lead them to create a rifle that could be fired very rapidly in the general direction of the defenses with a hail of rounds coming from a million other conscripts pouring out of armored personnel carriers.
tl;dr 7.62x39>5.45x39
GiRL! !!xfn1bmb3QAI
>>9687685 >what makes the AR so superior aside from the customability options. Light weight, accuracy, reliability, one of the largest aftermarkets for any guns, the ability to switch uppers, barrels, barrel lengths, and calibers easier than just about anything else at will and with nothing more than pushing two pins, inexpensive and large amounts of quality parts ranging from replacements to upgrades to magazines, readily available, simple and easy to use, etc.
The list goes on and on, and the AR manages to cover all of those things very well. There's not one single other gun in 5.56 that can cover all of those bases, and nearly as well as ARs do.
>direct impingement is not something I really like as opposed to short stroke piston. And this is because, wait, let me guess, you think direct impingement is unreliable? You actually listen to the morons who think you have to clean your gun every range trip? If you truly believe this, you have little to no understanding of what makes a gun run, or what it's capable of doing.
The difference in reliability between a quality AR and a quality AK is absolutely nothing. The important thing is that you're buying a quality gun to begin with, i.e. not low tier garbage like WASRs or DPMS.
Anonymous
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5.45 is cool but for the love of good dont buy anything from century arms. Go Saiga.
Anonymous
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>Ask for AK recommendations >"DOOOD GET AN AR IT R BEST GUN EVAR"
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9687728 Considering I have no direct hand with direct impingement and have never cleaned out an AR I have believed this yes because it is what I was taught from a very early age. Now i'm open to changing my mind about it, I never set anything in stone except that one day I'm going to die. Or who knows I may discover some immortal fountain and live forever. Let me ask you this then, for a starter AR (I don't give a damn about optics) Would this be a good idea?
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct347.aspx .223 remmy I've used in various bolt rifles before and found it to be a very agreeable caliber. I know its not exactly the same as 5.56 but if I do go for the Olympic AR instead of the IAC AK would I be making the better choice in your opinion? I won't have much more than 600 to spend for a 30th birthday gun and I want it to be something that is high quality for the price range.
Noop !r2Rl5XmgO2
>>9687728 I honestly learned more from your picture than I did from your post... not to detract from your post; you're mostly on par.
More importantly, I gosta get me sumadat SLIP2000!
>>9687446 I'm no expert on 5.45 so i can't speak to ballistic coefficients or "wound vectors" but my wit tells me smaller cartridges with high mag caps gives you more chances to win before you reload. Coupled with better recoil control (I assume) equaling better shot placement in a shorter time means you win more often.
Maybe I'm wrong. You decide.
GiRL! !!xfn1bmb3QAI
>>9687778 >it is what I was taught from a very early age. What you have been taught is completely wrong. No offense.
>Would this be a good idea? Unfortunately, no, Olympic is a notoriously low quality brand of ARs.
If your budget and limit is within the range of $600-$700, then you would be better off sticking with the IAC in 7.62x39. If you're willing to bump your budget up another $200 or so dollars, or wait a little longer to get the parts, you can get a top of the line AR for a little over $800 after dealer and shipping fees.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9687691 Black Bear... I've had encounters before and they always ended good. Mostly because I did nothing stupid and did not present myself as a threat to the sow or her cub. My main reason for wanting an AK is because I have an SKS, I have an M44 and now I want to expand my slavic collection.
>>9687801 The 7.62x39mm has proved itself to be a very reliable cartridge for taking just about anything I could want. However so has the .223 Remington. Put in a weapon platform where I have multiple shots at the squeeze of a trigger... I'm just so up in the air right now.
>>9687833 Damn it now I need to know.
What would your recommendation be for an AR at about 800-900. I can put this off until spring to get the extra money if needs be. My two biggest requirements for the weapon is that I need to be able to carry extra ammo with me (which will be any AR so that's not even an issue here) and that it needs to be easily cleaned in the field since I plan on going on long treks in the mountains and the deserts.
Anonymous
>>9687584 >>9687671 >>9687728 >>9687833 so I just gotta ask, I don't even care what answer I get.
how come you just don't let people buy what they want? and how come you can't answer a question in a concise manner and without looking down your nose at their choices?
I gotsta know.
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9687856 >I want to expand my slavic collection. The next logical step is not an AK, but an SVT-40.
Anonymous
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>>9687648 Ya might not want to go with a 5.56 AK bro. The way the bullet is designed wasn't meant for the shape of the magazine. You can sometimes have trouble with feeding. They built the bullets of the 7.62x39 and the 5.45x39 a specific way so that it'll feed reliably in any situation.
As GIRL mentioned, 5.56 should be reserved to platforms that were built with the cartridge in mind, and not just adapted for shits and giggles. If you don't like DI, there are piston driven ARs such as the Ruger sr556, but that shit is pricey.
>>9687728 As for DI vs Piston, that's assuming quality ammo. Some people are cheap when it comes to ammo. The AK will take a bit longer time before going down using corrosive ammo, or shit that's dirty. Im sure OP knows to try and get quality ammo where he can, but sometimes that shit aint possible.
TL;DR- dont get a 5.56 ak, get a gun that is ergonomical to YOU.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9687886 Holy fuck how did I forget about that?
Ok Revising list, still want the AK
And a PSL
And a TT33
And a Makarov
and...
Azfag !cLqdWGgCis
>>9687910 get a mak, there fun Red
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
>>9687886 I've got a 1943 Nug, Yugoslavian SKS and 1953 TTC. Next step is either CZ-82, CZ-70, Auto-Nug, or CZ-52.
Which to choose?
Anonymous
I'd get the 7.62 first. Pic is my two '74s.
GiRL! !!xfn1bmb3QAI
>>9687856 >What would your recommendation be for an AR at about 800-900. BCM lower blemished, A2 grip, MOE stock, Standard end plate (or shell out for the Noveske if you want a receiver sling mount, I would), USGI trigger.
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-BCM $321 + ~$5-10 shipping.
BCM 16" mid length
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-16.htm $399 + $7-10 shipping.
Magpul MOE handguards
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Magpul-MOE-MID-Length-Handguard-BLACK-p/mag418%20blk.htm $33.20 (buy them with the upper so you don't pay for extra shipping).
Magpul MBUS Gen2 rear sight
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Magpul-MBUS-Gen-2-Rear-Back-Up-Iron-Sight-Black-p/mag248%20black.htm $55.05 (buy with the upper so you don't pay for extra shipping).
That's somewhere around or under $830 excluding your dealer fees, and will get you a stock/normal AR that hits the quality scale everywhere that matters. Buy a few PMags or aluminum mags with Magpul followers for about ~$11-15 a piece. You could probably save a little more picking other parts from other sites like Palmetto, but that's a fair pricing and BCM is a guarantee for quality.
It's all about what you want, but if you want a rifle or carbine in 5.56, an AR is truly your best bet. If you want an AK in 7.62x39 though, then go for that. You'll have to decide what you want.
Anonymous
>>9687929 kinda diggin' the CZ 70. has that kinda PPK/James Bond sleekness to it
saxfag !!QzURA8HtfvX
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Get the 5.45 one. I have a 7.62 and i wish i had gotten 5.45
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9687929 The answer, as always, is Auto-Nugget. Or, Auto-Nuggets.
Noop !r2Rl5XmgO2
Slightly off topic and a little too much about what "I" want, in a perfect world where cartridge geometries didn't effect feeding reliability... bear with me.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9687946 From this point on no matter what happens you are ok in my book. Thanks, I'm screen capping this and starting a list to build from.
>>9687920 I've shot them before and with the option of having a .380 barrel I've wanted to pick one up for awhile. I missed out when they were $125
>>9687929 CZ-52, I have wanted one of these for awhile and I actually shot one that was on lend from a friend for a month. Fell in love with the pistol.
>>9687933 I probably will to begin with, that way I have some type of high cap auto rifle in my vault.
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
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>>9687967 >>9687972 >>9687951 One for the 70, one for multiple Auto-Nugs, and one for the 52.
With my own vote, I have the matter settled, thank you gentlemen.
Anonymous
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Buy a VZ-58
Anonymous
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No Papasha love in here
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
>>9687972 >high cap auto rifle You could always get a Spic-Shit (fascism, communism, nearly same environ) CETME....
saxfag !!QzURA8HtfvX
>>9687946 your back.
im getting an AR when i get back from boot camp and ive been looking at one of these. looking for a pretty standard 20" that will perform good enough for target shooting and coyote hunting and i remember colt being good.
http://www.hyattgunstore.com/colt-match-target-competition-hbar-rifle-in-.223-5.56-fixed-carry-handl e-fixed-stock-20-heavy-barrel.html
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9687994 Now i've looked at these for a few years and I am inconclusive on them. What is the price range I can expect to pay?
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9687970 >SBRd Draco in 5.56 I have good news for you.
Noop !r2Rl5XmgO2
>>9688003 Shit, that is the stuff. Now... how hard is it to find a milled reviver instead of a stamped one.
I know my woes may be ill-founded but I just don't like the idea of stamped receivers.
... and which form do I fill out to turn a pistol into a SBR? Form 1, right?
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
>>9688000 For a new-er one with the steel and G3 furniture, about $450-500. The older run made with the Mod. B/C parts kits and wood furniture are about $550-650. I paid $700 for mine (I know it's bad and I should feel bad), but I like it. It's fun, amazingly accurate, and hasn't given me a problem. I've put about 500 rounds of Malaysian ball through it with no problem except the usual destroyed casings.
>dat fluted chamber and roller-retarded blowback recoil operation Noop !r2Rl5XmgO2
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>>9688003 Disregard my post... you said "SBR'd".
Anonymous
>>9688018 That Draco is no SBR. Its a pistol. No stock on it.
GiRL! !!xfn1bmb3QAI
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>>9687995 >Colt Good start, but you don't need a heavy barrel. And I believe those have fixed muzzle attachments/no threading. Could be wrong or just thinking of others, but you don't need that, either. And $1,100 for an A2 is steep.
See:
>>9687946 Buy the lower without the stock, remove the receiver extension when you get the lower and replace it with an A2 (or A1, your preference) stock kit. Then buy a BCM 20" rifle upper instead of the 16" mid length, and rifle length MOE hand guards instead of mid length hand guards. Or the A2 style hand guards, your choice once again. Last step is buying a detachable carry handle.
Go with a mil-spec manufacturer to avoid incompatability from a commercial height carry handle.
G&R sells Colt carry handles which will fit the bill perfectly, BCM ones are out of stock until November or so, LMT ones can be found here and there (the LMT cut down BUIS would also work if you want that).
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688020 $450.... hmmm.... ok now this is going up on the consideration list, I need to go test fire one at the local shop to see if its worth it.
Does that happen to all the brass?
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9688018 There is no real advantage milled receivers have over stamped ones, save that the former adds a whole pound of extra weight. Trust me, a stamped receiver is plenty strong. Regardless, a factory milled Draco is non-existant. The form you fill out to SBR it is called a Form 1, and you have to send in a $200 payment along with it, then wait 4-6 months to get the go-ahead from our good buddies (*cough*) at the ATF. For me, the waiting was the worst part, but oh when it came in...
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
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>>9688025 That's why you turn it into one.
Anonymous
>>9688041 im betting you never actually SBRd that just slapped the stock on it and pretended you did.
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
>>9688035 Sadly, yes. They will destroy anything put through them. But do consider one, they are pretty cool in my opinion. Surprisingly, if is the only detachable magazine fed rifle I own.
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
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>>9688059 Well that's the great thing about this world, we can think what we want.
Noop !r2Rl5XmgO2
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>>9688041 Yeah, yeah. I know. I've got my Form 1 for an SBR AR-15 filled out, the finger prints are done, the photos are printed and the build specs ready to go.
I just have to find someone that wants a 16" piston AR that just about everything done to make it bomb-proof.
I just need the monies! If I didn't have to buy tires for my truck I would be ordering now.
I guess I'll un-hijack this thread now.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688061 Why do they destroy everything? Its not like I reload any ways but... why?
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
>>9688074 The fluting just tears up the casings. The necks get bent on the way out of the chamber due to the angle (my best guess). And my rifle (only one I've seen this on) the ejector nearly bites a piece out of the extraction rim.
From what I've heard, PSL's are notorious for the same type of destruction.
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9688074 As said, dat fluted chamber. It's simply hell on casings. Even the protoype 9x19mm Maks that had them shat out casings that looked like they'd been in a run-in with Jack the Ripper.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688105 >>9688097 Time for the possible dumb question
What advantage is there with a fluted one then?
Anonymous
>>9687994 Or for slightly more he could get a PTR91 GI that wasn't assembled by drunk monkeys.
Anonymous
>>9688097 PSL's fucking destroy casings. It's unbelievable.
Anonymous
>>9688061 >dat feel when you look at brass the day after your first time shooting and thankful to be alive >then you see its normal >fluting fuck year The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
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>>9688112 It bleeds off the gases made during firing around to the back of the casing, allowing pressure to drop in the chamber enough to safely operate the bolt. If not, most users would be picking CETME bolt pieces from their teeth. The AG-42B has it (strike me down if I'm wrong) along with a few others.
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
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>>9688140 >>9688125 >iknowthatfeelingbro.mpeg4 >>9688121 True.
Anonymous
>>9688121 how are PTR91s?
are they as rugged and accurate as their origin?
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9688125 >Oh, it can't be that bad >Google image search, GO! >....hahaha,ohwow.avi The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
>>9688178 They are the top of the line when you want a G3 type rifle. Well built, well made, look nice, the whole nine yards. The only thing that gets me is how much people will mark them up. They sell for a base price of around $1100, but you can find some people trying to unload them for $1500.
If you've got the money, go for it.
Anonymous
>>9688178 Seeing as I live in california all I can do is drool and masturbate to the thought of owning one so I have no personal experience with them, but from what I've heard they are as good or better than genuine H&Ks.
Anonymous
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>>9688179 Yep. Had several like that, and many more that had the opening literally dented in, not just kinda flattened but knocked inwards.
And then I've got one mag that FTFs on the second round almost every time on cold bore shots. I've only had one stovepipe so far though, and it's had at least 500 rounds through it.
Anonymous
>>9688097 My extractor bites too (on .308, haven't shot any 7.62 surp yet). I might take some pictures tomorrow.
Anonymous
>>9688183 oh wow, I'll have to shop around harder then. good heads-up
>>9688186 this might interest you
http://calguns (dot) net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=366263
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
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>>9688205 Hmm, at least we're not alone in this situation.
Anonymous
>>9688178 CDNN sells one for $900 (surplus green German furniture) and one with an 18" match barrel for $1,000.
Anonymous
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>>9688210 Well, that's one more thing to add to my must procure list.
Anonymous
>>9688227 cool, I'll keep that in mind.
been diggin' the G3 for awhile now. love those cold war era Euro battle rifles.
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
>>9688266 Same here, I have an erection for the Stgw 57.
>dat 7.5 battle rifle Anonymous
>>9688266 They're very cool, and from what I hear the PTR is very high quality. And the best part is they're made in the U.S., so there's no 922r bullshit to worry about so you can doll it up with cheap foreign surplus shit all you want and not have the ATF crawl up your asshole.
Anonymous
>>9688283 >flip down iron sights >bipod >still has fuckhueg bayonet >dat barrel length daddy liek
Anonymous
Anonymous
Not that I really want to complicate Red's buying considerations, but seeing some PTR/CETMEs, Have to add my own bit of roller delayed blowback action.
Anonymous
>>9688097 >>9688074 >>9688061 >>9688035 >>9688105 >>9688183 lots of misinformation about the hk91 and clones here...
the brass is not destroyed by the fluting, the flute marks are superficial. the dents in the neck does NOT ALWAYS happen unlike previously stated by some faggot who probably has a century arms cetme instead of a real one that wasnt mauled to death by some retard at century.
The only thing that makes the brass unwanted is the deep dents in the side of the case, this is what makes them unsuitable/unfavorable for realoading. the flute marks are inconsequential. i have reloaded for my hk91 pattern rifle many times. the brass is fine. you can reload multiple times just check case OAL and trim accordingly.
pic related, its my brass out of my ptr91. notice only a few are dented. the resizer mostly cleans them up but if they get hit twice or more in the same place on the SIDE of the case (the dents that actually matter) it becomes problematic.
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
>>9688298 What's not to like? It even has DAT K31 BOLT HANDLE!
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
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>>9688310 I have heard that a port buffer will stop most of the denting upon ejection. Is this true?
Anonymous
74; sniping at longer ranges
Anonymous
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>>9688310 pics of reloaded brass from an hk91 pattern rifle.
yes it is possible, yes its feasible.
brass on the left was uncleaned/untumbled, you can see the powder marks from where it passed by the gaps caused by the fluting.
brass on the right was tumbled/cleaned and look near new.
Anonymous
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>>9688314 those Swiss guys...
they... they know how to get you good.
!XYNTAU35o2
Anonymous
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>>9688347 30mm AK
why not
derp
Anonymous
>>9688310 so that one case with a typical looking dent in the neck will be fine resized and trimmed and that other one a case over is pretty fucked?
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688302 Shit, yeah that completely complicated it again.
Now I don't know what to do.
Anonymous
>>9688360 exactly
the semi-dented neck is okay but the mangled one goes in the trash
regarding port buffers i dunno, i have an mfi rail on mine and i dont think a port buffer will install with the rail on the rifle :(
pic is of the tumbled brass notice how superficial the fluting marks are?
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
>>9688366 You've got three choices with that type of rifle:
>CETME (rough around the edges, cheap but works .308) >PTR-91 (amazing, works, rather expensive .308) >C-93 (fixed, works, great price .223) All on you now.
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
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>>9688397 Hmm, it might be an experiment to try. I might pick one up and check it out.
Anonymous
>>9688398 you're wrong about the cost of the ptr91 by the way...
i got mine for 750. its a PTR 91 F also.
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
>>9688423 Where and when? In my area they have them marked up through the ass.
Anonymous
with a CETME, what can you do to it to improve it's overall quality?
Anonymous
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>>9688428 i bought it used but the local shop here tried to sell me the same rifle for 899. that's not that much dude. maybe the price has gone up i dunno. that less than a year ago though
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
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>>9688434 You can switch out 90% of it's parts with surplus G3 stuff. Other than that, I have no clue. I just got mine in the beginning of August.
Anonymous
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>>9688434 a REAL cetme pre-century is fucking exceptional, you would have to do nothing.
a century arms CETME? fuck that shit. I wouldn't touch it with a 90000 foot pole.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688398 The fact that the first and the last come from Century Arms shouldn't dissuade me in my choices right?
I love the .308 most. Hunted with it for years using a break action. Now I want a full rifle for it.
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
>>9688449 That's up to you. You have a wide variety of opinions on the matter here, only you can decide what you want to purchase.
Anonymous
>>9688449 i wouldn't get a Century Arms imported hk91-93/cetme pattern rifle. That being said my ptr does not like tarred 308. That means no magtech (its shitty ammo anyway). The worst part about it is i have to PULL the bullet to check to see if its tarred. silver bear is confirmed for no tar though. as well as wal-mart ammo like federal powr shok and all that good shit (hunting fudd bullshit).
basically what happens is the tar comes out with the superheated gasses and gets blown back past the case (this is how the delayed blowback works, the gasses flow around the cartridge to help extract it) well that tar stickies up the chamber and prevents extraction after like 5-10 rounds of magtech (and other tarred ammo im sure is very similar)
the cases actually get stuck and you have to yank hyper-hard on the charging handle. but this is a non-issue if you shoot good ammo in the gun like you should anyway. im sure im leaving shit out but im so damn tired im not even capitalizing my letters anymore or forming good sentences.
Anonymous
neat little bit of info about the roller delayed blowback mechanism, it doesnt even require an extractor to function. the rounds extract almost entirely on gas pressure from the chamber. they wont leave the receiver however so ejection still requires the extractor to be installed on the bolt. there is a youtube video of someone taking the extractor out of a CETME and firing it showing that the rounds leave the chamber just fine but they wont leave the ejection port because there's nothing resisting the ejector to help throw the case out anymore. it just rides right over the ejector
Anonymous
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688459 >>9688469 I think for now I'm just going to go with the IAC 47 and save up for the rest, do some hardcore research to figure out what I really want. I have 7.62x39 ammo already, I wouldn't mind having a second weapon that can use it and some magazines to keep the rounds in. All in all I think that will be a great 30th birthday gun.
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
>>9688500 Well, happy 30th birthday!
Have some M67!
Anonymous
>>9688500 you have a good birthday now
Anonymous
>>9688500 be sure to tell that faggot stalker that an anon actually CAN contribute to /k/ without using a trip. he and his faggots in the steamgroup TINNYchat banned me after i expressed my dislike for tripfaggots. he said i dont contribute and i have no guns and that you MUST BE a tripfaggot to contribute to /k/
proof that that isnt true, you can see all the information i shared with you and others about the hk91 pattern rifle and caveats for reloading along with personal images I took of ammo I RELOADED.
i also dispelled some common myths about the fluting destroying brass etc. i dont ever want credit for this except to show that it can be done by an anonymous. i will never say HEY IM THAT GUY in a future thread unless its asked. in short. tripfaggs are mad. including yourself ^_^
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688515 >>9688521 Thanks, not until the end of December but hey Christmas and Birthday rolled into one.
>>9688527 I'll confess something. I started posting here as an anon. The only reason I went trip at first was because I wanted to keep track of what I said and what the responses were. Now having had this trip for years I go by it basically everywhere else online. Anons have contributed just as much as trips have to legitimate questions I've had.
Before I came to /k/ I thought I knew a hell of a lot about firearms. Within a day I realized I knew nothing. Now I know more than nothing.
Anonymous
>>9688500 Happy birthday, enjoy the IAC 47. As for all the other rifles posted here, fuggataboutit, you'll eventually buy all of them eventually right? RIGHT?
>>9688527 What the fuckity?
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688559 Since I am the unmarried child now and I have no children of my own this is what my passion is. Arsenal time. I've done the wilderness survival over the course of the past 25 years learning everything from how to use a sling to how to fish with no line and bait. Now I want to be armed to the teeth.
Also, I want a 1950 Willey's Jeep and a Decommissioned Nuclear Silo for my house in Montana.
That's not too much to ask is it? And yes I'd call the place Red Dawn.
Anonymous
>>9688554 well at least you dont think you're better than everyone else like that faggot STALKER does.
you dont need a name to trip either. you can discard your shit after you're done. doing anything other than that is just narcissistic.
anyway im glad i could help. personally i agree with what
>>9687551 said, you already have an "ak47" in your SKS. I have an SKS so im not trolling SKS owners, i know they are VERY different, im very familiar with the mechanisms of both but regarding caliber something new and fresh is always fun so I would go with the 74. I think thats what he was trying to say also. Get the 74 bro. Also there are bulgarian ak74's for sale i think thats what the atlantic one is. It's a century import though. have you seen the one on
wideners.com ?
http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=10000021&dir=700|701|1028 fucking shits out of stock. damn. anyway ive heard that rifle aint so bad if you change the furniture out, it burns up easily apparently.
Anonymous
>>9688554 it's all good, everyone's got their own style and such yeah.
call me an optimistic beta faggot but I love it when people can come to their own conclusions that fit them personally, and not just because someone says this or that is the end all bizness best, etc. we all want to buy quality, that's a given. can do without the extra implying and inferring, assuming blah blah.
but hey that's just me. I just needs dat SOUL
Anonymous
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>>9688559 what about it? -_-
he pissed me off, he's a huge faggot. i don't think anyone likes him anyway... i saw him post a few times today and droves of anon were attacking him and even some tripfags. he's an idiot.
Anonymous
>>9688577 I'll bring over some a pair of Vickers K and a M1919, we'll go build a SAS WW2 jeep
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688581 My main reason for getting the 74 in the first place was for use against persons. However much it appeals to me I just have to stick to my guns (pun intended) and get what I decided on before hand.
Besides, I have held my SKS in the air and shouted "WOLVERINES!" and its just not the same...
>>9688590 GiRL did bring up some interesting information and I am going to look into it. So did everyone else yet the AK47 really appeals to the way I was raised and I think it will be the best fit for me. There's always more money later for the other weapons.
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9688554 I was originally a name-fag for ease of post identification, then people started impersonating me and landing me with bans. The trip solved that immediately.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688601 If I ever get that place I'll let /k/ know
We can have a party, the first /k/ommando bash
And the vickers and 1919 sound delightful, I just need a mount.
Anonymous
>>9688604 yeah she does have lots of info and what she says is pretty much true, I just gotta read it as is and not look at the trip. if I read it without the personality injected in there, it's fine.
in actuality though I learned about ARs first from Get Some. pointed me towards PSA for lowers which was a good deal all around.
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
>>9688609 C...can...can I come, too?
Anonymous
>>9688608 and that could have easily been avoided by being anonymous.
this is 4chan, stop trying to control everything with your little tiny control minds. there is going to be confusion sometimes, thats just how it is. link to yourself and say "hey this is me" etc. having a name and 'password' (trip) makes this place no different than the high road or glocktalk. those places arent bad but why the fuck are you posting here when you clearly just want 4chan to be another place like those 2? it's fucking 4chan. let it be. stop trying to make it something it's not.
Anonymous
>>9688620 how can we not have Johnny?
heresy I say, heresy.
Anonymous
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>>9688619 the thing i dont like about that cunt is:
1) they're not real
2) they're a fucking fanboy of the AR platform because i think they work for a seller who makes mad money off of mall ninjas.
I've had my suspicions about who they are, the pics they post come from a small community of AR enthusiasts, ive seen them in a few places posted by users who type VERY similar to them.
you can see how much a fanfaggot they are for the AR in this thread alone. I will give them credit, BCM makes very good AR's but talking about noveske and other "boutique" ar15 brands 24/7 puts you in a real bad place. it also narrows you down to a small group of homos.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688608 I think you and Drake have been the most influential in my knowledge base.
>>9688619 Stalker though I have never seen a contribution from his carnie fingers
>>9688620 All of /k/, That means you Johnny. But for fun we are going to drop you SST style from orbit.
>>9688624 Hey I have some decent online friends here because of trips so no need to rag on them like that. Accountability is the reason I keep at it now. Well that and I am Red Dawn so yeah.
Sure I fuck around on posts, but when I lay down some good info you can be sure I've backed it up with research.
General Deadpool needs to stay away from the funstore !!kBsp4Ukt12d
General Deadpool needs to stay away from the funstore !!kBsp4Ukt12d Wed 07 Sep 2011 11:47:00 No. 9688642 Report Quoted By:
We'll show em what batfe really means!
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9688624 This makes thing more convenient for me, therefore I will use it. There's no wanting to make one board like another or any such nonsense, simply a desire for something that streamlines an experience on a friggen 4chan board. The Anon-strong trend is just as obnoxious and derailing as any attention-whoring trip-user.
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
>>9688639 Give me a pack of cigarettes and I'll reenter the atmosphere to be there.
>>9688625 HA!
Anonymous
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688651 After hearing about a guy who was in Dakota I think who bought one and furnished it as a house I wanted to do the same with one in Montana. Build it for about 30 people with provisions for everyone. There would be enough room to have 2 to a room plus a work shop and even a HAM radio setup. Fields could be cultivated outside or hydroponics set up inside. Water would come from the surrounding aquifers and be treated. I have a notebook with about twenty pages on it buried in my closet. The total cost minus arms and initial food would run about $700. For 30 people that's not a bad deal.
Of course I don't want to be seen as a crazy cult leader so I'd set it up to accommodate that many in a SHTF scenario.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
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>>9688661 I saw that, its got to be semi right? But its still kickass
The Salesman 2.0 !!6bag1sWZ4fb
Anonymous
>>9688608 and MilSurpDude... man...
he's got too much C&R knowledge, he needs to be nerfed man...
>>9688624 honestly though I don't mind the trips if they're chill. Red Dawn, I know this guy's funny and has a thirst for knowledge. Johnny's like the Iron Mike of hardware. Papalu, what a good kid man (well kid not so much but I'm an old bastard so I get to). MilSurpDude's is a pretty cool guy. eh stands up for history and doesn’t afraid of anything…
learned ARs from Get Some first
BOOF my god BOOF. BOOF! and IVAN (tinfoil be damned)
starting to be ok with Squid, I don't care really care about the animu stuff. just loves his SCAR a little too much. can't say I blame him though.
Red Skull's an operator man, I still can't pick him out in that picture of his.
not a trip but Dan the Viking... good laughs man good laughs strange room good laughs
probably forgetting a whole lot of others but it's hot and I'm getting information overload.
but that's just my own opinion and is as such. nothing more.
Anonymous
>>9688649 you're making 4chan something its not: streamlined
get used to it instead of trying to mis-appropriate the trip/name system to make it into a 'regular' forum.
that's what you're doing. if you don't think so, you arent very clever and can't see the big picture.
Slavmeister !7q43O/hLmw
>>9688577 >Decommissioned Nuclear Silo for my house I've actually spent time looking for one, it's a damn shame knowing it'll be just a dream though.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688671 Knowledge is power and I want to know everything, just when I choose to learn it.
Anonymous
>>9688676 gotta always have dreams. dreams make ya human. I cheer for your endeavors buddy
General Deadpool needs to stay away from the funstore !!kBsp4Ukt12d
General Deadpool needs to stay away from the funstore !!kBsp4Ukt12d Wed 07 Sep 2011 12:03:00 No. 9688684 Report >>9688677 The more you know, the more weird and depressed you get.
Slavmeister !7q43O/hLmw
>>9688679 Me and a bro of mine actually had this crazy plan to start a PMC with heavy Viking undertones, he was planning on inventing shit for the government to fund it but I haven't heard from him in a while.
And speaking of tripfag orgies, whatever happened to Cakedogs? I remember having threads were him and I would do entire Iron Maiden songs, shit was so cash.
Anonymous
>>9688677 i will admit i liek your choice of name even if i do hate namefagging/tripfagging.
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9688675 I can't see the "big picture" because I don't try to look for big pictures in a 4chan board. Tone down the anon-strong routine, some people don't mind being held accountable for their posts.
Anonymous
>>9688677 wanna know something cool i learned yesterday about 380 vs 9mm?
those tiny 380 pistols actually have more felt recoil than 9mm pistols usually because the 380 works on pure blowback instead of short-recoil operation like most larger pistols use (1911, glock etc).
people say this negates the whole benefit of them being smaller and more concealable. kinda does offset the whole thing doesnt it? not to mention it is a weaker round than 9mm
Anonymous
>>9688685 >crazy plan to start a PMC with heavy Viking undertones Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688684 My god its true. Nice to see you around again Deadpool.
>>9688685 He took it way too easy and disappeared
>>9688686 Thanks
Anonymous
>>9688690 there is no 'anon-strong' routine idiot, the proper way to use 4chan is to be anonymous. thats what it was based on. that whole 'anon legion' bullshit doesnt appeal to me. you're missing the fucking point entirely. I guess you have to keep your ego/face/pride intact though because you're identifiable so I can see why you wont submit to realizing publicly that you're trying to use 4chan like a regular forum. oh well, you cant fix stupid.
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
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>>9688671 You hold an intense interest in WWII for 15 years, and war rifles start showing up in your rental house and the related books start piling up...kinda getting worrisome, actually
Slavmeister !7q43O/hLmw
>>9688693 Yeah we were gonna name it Einherjar International or some shit.
Of course this was gonna be after I went through law enforcement and got SWAT qualification so I'd at least know my shit.
But yeah we were gonna focus on the glory of battle and duty, putting the lives of innocents before ours, fighting to give peace to those who did not have it, instead of being a frat boy clusterfuck like Blackwater was.
Slavmeister !7q43O/hLmw
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>>9688695 >He took it way too easy and disappeared You never go full easy, never.
Anonymous
>>9688685 Please tell me his name was Dan. Please.
Anonymous
>>9688698 i dont mind trips because those that shitpost get called out for it and are easy to spot for being shitposters.
so the good ones shine, while the bad ones get hate.
also if it was meant to be all anon, why do they allow it?
Anonymous
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>>9688704 that sounds just about what PMCs need right now after the whole Blackwater fiasco.
Slavmeister !7q43O/hLmw
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>>9688708 It was actually Johnny.
I guess crazy bastards with a passion for doing the unimaginable tend to bear that name.
Anonymous
>>9688698 > no anon-strong routine > anonymous is how 4chan is meant to be used herp
Anonymous
>>9688710 to keep a discussion going for one person who just cant submit to being equal to everyone else.
Anonymous
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>>9688716 you are confusing anonymously posting with 'anon posting'
you can anonymously post anywhere that allows it, you can even anonymously communicate on the phone on party lines or what have you.
anon-strong is not anonymous posting.
are you really that dense?
geezus christ this fucking captcha
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688691 That I did not know, I've fired both and never consciously noticed a difference. In a way it does but the .380 or 9mm Browning was popular in Europe because it was A) Not a German Cartridge and B) Was developed by John Moses Browning. A couple decades before its introduction people were still using black powder cartridges that had very low power. The .380 is a good defensive round, I'd still rather have a 9mm in a Makarov though.
>>9688704 I would be so for that. I wanted to go to Blackwater until the scandal happened. They wouldn't have taken me anyways though. Same reason the armed forces denied me, I have a weak heart. I think its because I get electrocuted all the time.
Slavmeister !7q43O/hLmw
>>9688723 >I think its because I get electrocuted all the time. Sounds like fun.
I never got into the military because I have asthma, but its so minor and I've been working out like a motherfucker recently so I don't think it'll have that much of a bearing.
Needless to say, I already kinda have my life planned out, I'm not in the mood to up and change things now.
Anonymous
>>9688723 yeah i basically just googled 'whats wrong with 380' and read the first thing that came up... lemme see if i can find it again
here it is:
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?60107-What-s-wrong-with-the-.380&s=0bafa2b4e8aba aa6bbf36f70cc8eb488
it's some kind of martial arts forum so i recall the herp is a little derpy but it does learn me somethin good about 380. I was considering one but I think i'll just go with something larger.
Anonymous
>>9688730 Kahr makes some good CC 9mm pistols
Anonymous
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>>9688731 did you miss the point of my post entirely? 4chan isnt special you fucktard, thats why people who use trips are ruining it.
try less shitposting and more thinking.
the thread isnt ruined, its just being annoyed by you because you can't accept that not replying is the best choice for you in this situation.
Slavmeister !7q43O/hLmw
>>9688731 The problem is that some people throw on the trip and stroke their ego all day long.
But then you get people like BOOF and Johnny who constantly put out content that puts them above and beyond your average user.
They earned their tripcodes.
Anonymous
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>>9688733 yeah i have seen some kahr pistols that i like also the ruger LCP seems okay. my father has the kel-tec pf9 and its bleh. its probably just like the ruger lcp but i am biased slightly against it. im sure its PERFECTLY fine for self defense though.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
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>>9688727 Yeah, I missed out on serving. I would have been in a position to go to Iraq or Afghanistan in the first wave. Ah well, I can content myself with the fact that I've been shot at so... no idea where I'm going with this.
>>9688730 Yeah very derp since he's not using a good pistol. Nothing is wrong with the .380, it's basically the 9x18 Makarov. It is a really good cartridge, however it amazes me how two millimeters can make a world of difference on the 9mm.
Anonymous
>>9688718 the good ones dont think they are better than anyone else, they do get tired of explaining themselves again.
but if they think they are better than anyone else because they are rich or something (sa operator, LMJ, whoever) then by all means they are a shit person and therefore most likely a shit poster.
Anonymous
>>9688740 this 1000 times this.
anonymously posting has some sort of stigma attached to it so when you try to explain to a tripfag that you prefer anonymously posting and conversations that include only anonymously posting members they go 'LOL ANON STRONG 4CHAN IS SPESHUL UR SO DUM USE A TRIP ITS NOT A BIG DEEL.'
They seriously cant disconnect the concept from the stigma they've created around it. Try it something.
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
Less bickering, moar lulz
Anonymous
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>>9688755 shoot outs all day erry day...
at the range of course...
with sim-rounds...
...
...
and how!
Slavmeister !7q43O/hLmw
Anonymous
>>9688745 how does having a constant name/trip prevent you from having to repeatedly explain helpful information? do people see the name/trip and recognize that they know stuff and somehow virtually absorb the answers to their questions without the tripfag having to speak a single word? are there hidden profiles on 4chan now where i can view FAQ's or some shit? wtf am i reading....
if you mean tired of explaining their life, who they are and what they have...... then you dont understand anonymous posting at all. it is exactly what tripfaggots do. they want attention, they want identity. thats not what anonymous posting boards like 4chan are about. if you want that shit go to thehighroad or sksboards or some other place. when you come to 4chan post like you're on 4chan. how hard is that to understand????????
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
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>>9688755 Colorado though...
I am sure I can find something in Utah. With an airport and a gas station. It wouldn't be hard to buy some place in the mountains that has thousands of acres just ripe for hunting and shooting.
Anonymous
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>>9688760 that reaction image is fucking great. i literally lol'd
Anonymous
>>9688751 point being there are some good trips out there.
just cause some abuse it for attention doesnt mean it should be removed from the table completely, thats like wanting guns banned
because someone got shot by a dumb ass.
someone needs to add a trip =/= fag
Anonymous
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guys! it's ok, I got this.
just bear with me here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmYLrxR0Y8 OK?
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
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>>9688760 Aaaaaand there's another addition to the reaction face folder
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>9688768 thats not really the point. there should be no permanently recognizeable tripfaggots day in day out for months on 4chan. its a temporary thing. these idiots dont understand that. they're applying their stupid 'OOH ITS A FORUM I MUST MAKE MY PERSONA' logic to it and using it permanently.
im sure there are some good tripfags. i just dont think they need to be tripfagging in order to post. they do.
and for the trips reading this, prove me wrong. prove to me you dont feel empty and worthless naked whatever when you remove the trip permanently and post anonymously for a month. if you do feel those aforementioned emotions or ANYTHING like that (had to add this because i know some pedant is going to nitpick my words) if you feel ANYTHING other than the same... you're abusing tripcodes. you're stroking your ego. you LIKE being known.
Pestilence
Anonymous
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>>9688774 please read
>>9688779 specifically the end part.
im not going to harp on it anymore, i hope that you people are considering what im saying and think about it. im not going to make the trips disappear, but it would be nice if you used your brains and considered my side of the argument, much like you would want those brady bunch faggots to listen to reason. honest to god, listen to what im saying.
Anonymous
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>>9688782 shit nigga. nice.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688779 Seriously I think its time we just set this whole shebang aside and look at this
look at it
what...
the...
fuck...
Anonymous
>>9688779 No one. Fucking. Cares. You're as much of a faggot as the trips you're ranting against and shitting up a good thread in the process.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
Anonymous
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>>9688787 tripfag detected. status: mad as hell. mindset: equivalent to brady bunch faggots.
Anonymous
>>9688785 my sks looks a lot like that, yes i put it in that stock, no i dont give a shit. it's a chinese.
the shotgun though....... thats stupid shit right there.
Anonymous
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>>9688779 >if you dont agree with me your wrong. love that circular logic.
GiRL! !!xfn1bmb3QAI
>>9688779 tl;dr, but you sound mad as fuck.
Anonymous
>>9688785 why you need stock of Capitalist tactical on proud Simonov carbine? wood good enough for Motherland and Communist Bloc. Shotgun? we have Saiga for shooting gun of many pellets.
why you bring SKS into this? why born into family?
Anonymous
>>9688785 Still not as much of a mindfuck as the SKSVT-40
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688796 I had an even more atrocious stock on my first Norinco
and I loved it
What I don't get though is how do you hold it? Left hand wise. Do you hold on the pump or on the trigger?
Anonymous
>>9688800 >>9688787 confirmed for samefag
instead of reading, digesting, and understanding you pull a shithead maneuver and go 'LOLOL TLDR U MAD'
it's because you like the attention and you know you do.
thats why you post as a female
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
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>>9688804 Oh please tell me you have sauce on this
>>9688803 Because it can be
Anonymous
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>>9688806 Confirmed for only being here for one day. Go hang out at Arfcom, the trips aren't going away, ever. I'm fairly sure every time anonymous cries about it, 3 more are born.
Anonymous
>>9688779 by the way i am a trip, i just dont feel i need to always post as my trip, i only engage it when its easier than typing out explanations again and again, or what my experience is.
especially when so many demand timestamps and such or else it didnt happen, so in that spirit i use my trip.
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
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>>9688804 Someone post that pic. I don't have it on my phone, sadly
Anonymous
>>9688805 ionno lol
i like shooting my sks with the tapco stock, its more comfortable. im not using a paper thin excuse either, the pistol grip makes the gun a lot easier to shoot. im 6 foot 2 and the chinese stock is pathetically short even with an extension pad on it. the tapco fits me pretty damn nicely. also no fucking comsoline seeping out everywhere, no need to wash my hands with gojo after shooting all day etc etc etc.
Anonymous
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>>9688813 Knowing you, I'd be only mildly surprised if this was true.
Anonymous
>>9688815 no one cares about your experience. that's the point. nothing is permanent on 4chan. trying to maintain a persona is missing the point entirely. just post anonymously and enjoy the ride. stroke your faggoty ego on some other forum.
Anonymous
>>9688805 still got your Norinco?
kinda got a thing for ugly chicks.
I mean guns.
Anonymous
>>9688826 Congratulations, you're doing the one thing trips love, giving them pleasure from your buttrage.
Anonymous
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>>9688820 I can understand, especially on Norincos.
Noris gonna Nori
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688828 Sadly no. I needed the money and I had to sell her, I have a Yugo now that is with my parents since my father wanted something to hunt with. That's 300 miles away from me.
This is what it looked like with a green sling and no extended magazine.
Anonymous
>>9688826 why do you assume its for my own ego when people ask me to post or ask questions directed at me? or when i explained it was to avoid a longer explanation each time. and experience does matter, because when they ask for info on something they might want to trust in said info given, like if booth gave you advice to fix your shotgun, im sure it has more weight than if some trolling anon said it among the 30 other troll posts, because when anon lies no one cares.
or when anon asks about joing the military, yeah experience doesnt matter?
Anonymous
>>9688830 >implying im raging if it helps your little pea-brain understand my tone read my post with the voice of the dude from the big lebowski not the voice of angry comedian complaining about everything like gilbert godfrey...
Anonymous
also, for /k/ town, everyone will have a DVD set of this in their homes.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688844 I recorded every episode of that. I love this show so much.
Anonymous
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>>9688842 but we cant tell which is yours, so we cant read it in his voice.
Anonymous
requesting thread be archived for good rifle advice, silo purchasing, wtf-guns, and an anon losing his goddamned mind in a hilarious manner
Anonymous
>>9688841 >why do you assume its for my own ego when people ask me to post or ask questions directed at me? or when i explained it was to avoid a longer explanation each time. simple, you CANT help yourself to respond. your ego matters so much to you, you have to build up a persona, make sure people hold you in a high regard (ego stroking) and make sure people know to listen to you.
have you ever considered ignoring people who dont believe you? thats what an anonymous poster would do. I dont feel the NEED to prove myself. Drop the trip, drop the ego. Drop the self satisfying desire to be smarter than someone else.
also....... >asking 4chan for advice without any regard to its validity and following said advice
ISHYDTPDT
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
Anonymous
>>9688840 oh yeah that's what I'm talking about.
hawt.
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
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>>9688848 I have all on my DVR...save for the naval guns one. They will NOT fucking show that one for some reason.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>9688858 yeah, im tired of people being helpful.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688863 Surprisingly the stock was much stronger than any wood one I've used and I could bayonet things all day. Even throw my SKS like a spear into a heavily cut up log round I used for hawk practice and it would stick nice and solid. I want it back.
Anonymous
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>>9688859 voted, am the aforementioned 'mad anon' 'losing his mind'
clearly written by a tripfag with bias but whatever... you can't fix stupid. i contributed to this thread without taking credit for my knowledge.
Anonymous
>>9688858 i wish boof would leave and stop helping people because that shouldnt happen on 4chan.
Anonymous
>>9688867 have you noticed how light norinco wood is? its like balsa wood.
my norinco stock is actually lighter than my tapco stock by a considerably noticeable amount.
Anonymous
>>9688867 what was the stock made of? fiberglass or something?
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9688874 It's called "chu" wood, I shit you not.
Anonymous
>>9688873 yep thats what i said
i wish people wouldn't help people.
or maybe i was saying if he helps someone while posting anonymously and they dont take his advice they're a moron and he shouldn't even bother. oh right.. .yeah now that i think about it that might be what i meant.
also no one cares what you know. is it really that important to you to show off your knowledge? is it GiRL? (which does not reflect the gender of the poster at all)
Anonymous
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>>9688858 then why do we demand timestamps?
we should just believe what anon says or dont, whatever.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688874 Its some type of cheap Chinese model plane wood. I did not get the original stock with it but I did have another Norinco I used for a bit that was pretty beat up before I sold it to a friend. That wood would chip if I looked at it wrong.
>>9688876 Fiberglass and Resin. It was very solid and even though I was not too keen on the fake stone swirly look it had its charm. I had to file down the press lines so it fit but after I did that it was pure magic. I would keep a small survival kit in the butt stock so all you needed was a Phillips and you had a kit in your hand. I bought it for $200 and sold it for $300 so I made out.
Anonymous
>>9688880 i'm sure it has no relation to 'chew' but its funny nonetheless.
i like how light it is to be honest but i'm going to keep my norinco in the tapco stock just because its easier to shoot. i really dont understand why it pisses /k/ off so much. nothing i've done to my norinco is permanent and im preserving the original stock in the closet. i dont think im a badass operator with a tan stock on my 1970's sks... i just like having a pistol grip.
if i want to be a badass operator i just shoot my ptr91. ~_~
inb4:
>implying hk91 is an operator's rifle >implying ar15 is the ONLY operator rifle etc etc ^_^
Anonymous
>>9688882 yeah, it doesnt matter that boof proves what he is and his trip carries that certification.
and anon is not held accountable when he lies or trolls, boof is, but thats a bad thing right?
Anonymous
>>9688889 >That wood would chip if I looked at it wrong. LOL! i know right? i dented mine and thats when i said NOPE.JPG ordering my tapco now. I was on the fence about getting it for a week or so... i dropped a ratchet on my norinco wood stock and it dented the hell out of it.... that pushed me over the fence
Anonymous
>>9688882 >also no one cares what you know. is it really that important to you to show off your knowledge? when they ask advice it is, or does it not matter if the anon has experience in such an area?
Anonymous
>>9688896 more examples of how much "better" tripfags think they are than others... "i actually LIKE BEING HELD RESPONSIBLE" "hurr im so much better look at me up on my pedestal" "care about me!"
gtfo. you're taking 4chan way too seriously. you can impart knowledge in a serious discussion without having a trip. i've done it, check this thread. i dont think im better than anyone else (except tripfags) I dont know everything, i like sharing a good laugh with you guys (trips included) and 4chan is a fun place to hang out.
if arguing about this makes you happy then im glad to oblige you however I think you should just relax and realize that if someone doesnt want to hear your information.. its JUST 4CHAN. Maybe im taking a dismissive attitude towards it but... seriously its 4chan not thehighroad. doesn't mean there isnt good info here. just saying dont get worked up when people think you're trolling, i don't.
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9688889 The shittiness of the chink wood was so profound that it led to their AKs and SKSs rotting over the course of a few weeks in 'Nam, leading to the creation of a reddish fiberglass stock that you can find online in some places.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688880 >>9688895 >>9688901 I think the same wood is on the upper of my M44. It impresses just as easily. I hit the side of my safe once moving the gun around and there's a nice big scar on it. I did the same thing with my Ross and nothing.
Tacticool is not the reason I like synthetic and tapco stocks. I happen to like the functionality of them. Who cares what you to do your weapon as long as it is yours... and you don't do this. Contradictory I know but true.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
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>>9688914 Right I remember hearing about that. It is a good thing that China can into guns but cannot into wood stocks.
Anonymous
>>9688895 >>9688803 here, mostly just pokin' fun. was tryin' to do the IVAN thing or some form thereof
Anonymous
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>>9688907 logical fallacy much? i never said that it doesnt matter if the anon has experience or not. how you're inferring this, i don't know. if someone doesnt believe you, they're not worth explaining it to. its pretty simple. you dont have to proclaim your prior knowledge by using a name/trip. your knowledge will show by the way you present it in your posts to help the anon. if you look/sound like a bullshitter.... well it will be evident. you're pretty young arent you? you dont have to constantly prove yourself. just say your piece and if people think its relevant/helpful it will shine on its own buddy. it really will.
Anonymous
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>>9688915 that's a Cali gun isn't it...
Anonymous
>>9688920 fair enough :)
ivan made me laugh but i think if i could take "ivan" to the range and shoot the tapco sks he might find its more comfy to shoot...
>>9688914 i wanted one of those fiberglass stocks for a long time when i first got my sks... i kinda just stopped caring... then i saw one at the gunshow this weekend and it rekindled my desire
Anonymous
>>9688910 my point is to refute the fact all trips are bad, because they are not, some can be good, most fail in time, others try to change their names in hopes they can avoid the shit on their boots they track about wherever they go, its not okay, they should drop their trips. but the tripfriends dont deserve to get lumped in with those shit heads.
i may take 4chan too seriously, but i try to be helpful and not hurtful, i want /k/ to continue to be what i return to when im bored, i believe in giving a shit about community, even if its an online one, i have been here long enough to have a stake in it. i wont exert more energy than typing rebuttals of course, lol.
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9688928 Buymilsurp.com has some for $50, last I checked.
Anonymous
>>9688931 might as well start arguing which style of eggs we want..
over-easy, scrambled, POACHED LIKE WILDLIFE, deviled, benedict'd... etc. etc.
shit man now I'm just hungry.
Anonymous
>>9688933 okay i guess... your post still says "i care too much about 4chan" but thats okay, i guess its something important to you.
i laughed at your reaction image btw.
care to reveal which trip you are?
Anonymous
>>9688937 dude i LOVE that site. that reminds me i need to get a new recoil spring and op rod spring.
you ever go to milsurpstuff?
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688942 I am seriously considering just frying up the last of my eggs. I have no bacon, but I do have Whitetail Hamburger... mmmm
Anonymous
>>9688943 its not really relevant to my trip so, no i think not.
Anonymous
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>>9688951 aww snap. deliciousness be happenin'
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9688947 Several times, buying an SKS piston, nugget handguard, nugget trigger return spring, two AK cleaning rods, an SVT-40 magazine, and a half dozen AK mags. Reliable folks.
Anonymous
>>9688948 have you seen the stock in person before? like i said earlier i saw it at the gunshow... its very rough around the edges where the receiver meets the stock. like on the top of the sides of the receiver (left and right of the cover). looks like it was ground unevenly down the line etc. still a cool stock though. i wanted the fiberglass stock because i was sick of cosmo seeping out of my norinco. i would kill myself if i had a century yugo or something... those are slathered in cosmo....
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688958 Ok I want your list of reliable places to buy from online
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9688948 Pretty sure any SKS variant, save for the Albanian and Type 59/66, would fit in it. I'm happy with my Romanian's beech hardwood stock though, and anything but a wood stock for an SKS just doesn't work for me.
Anonymous
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>>9688954 i'm honestly curious no malice intended.
even if you dont tell me, i think i know but ah well.
Anonymous
>>9688954 also nice reaction image, i lol'd again.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
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>>9688959 Never in person but from the look of it, and if its solid fiberglass I could mess with it and create something disastrously pretty.
Anonymous
>>9688964 are you an sksboards member?
they banned me. said im full of shit when it comes to what ranges i shoot my sks at, etc. fuck em. dont ever mention buffers to them either, they will ban you.
Anonymous
also whats your guys opinions on the zastava m88? i saw one at the gun show and damn near bought it.
Anonymous
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9688960 I've had good experiences with;
buymilsurp.com jandgsales
aim surplus
legion arms (for my AK needs)
apex gun parts
centerfire systems
and a guy named Hajji behind the 7-11
Anonymous
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>>9688979 dont forget numrich
also joebob outfitters rocks ass
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9688972 Negative, but I do loves me some Siminovs. Why would you need a buffer for a SKS?
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9688979 I think this guy sold me a used Jennings once.
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
Anonymous
>>9688986 well i suspected the sks needs a buffer because my bolt carrier was contacting the receiver and had formed 2 very prominent dents. i took very nice pictures and showed it to them, they raged at me saying siminov's design is perfect and didnt call for a buffer etc... disregarding the fact that it was rushed into production but whatever, thats not even important.
i told people to share images of their receivers if they could in order to corroborate or deny my theory. they just kept acting like a bunch of bullies and snickering about my posts. one faggot ass moderator actually bullied me and kept trolling my posts every time i asked people who posted in the thread to show me their receiver or to share any information they had regarding their own personal experience. he would basically answer for them before they could even answer. trying to tell me that im stupid and the sks doesnt need a buffer etc. i was just trying to get a discussion going not start a fucking revolution. my goal was to get a large group of people to submit pics of their receivers in the thread but only the inside rear part where the 2 dents were. i wasnt being a prick until that faggot moderator kept trolling my posts and wouldn't let the thread be. he didnt contribute in any way shape or form, he just kept harassing me. they told everyone in the thread to disregard my posts because i dont even shoot my sks etc.
i shoot my sks to 500 yards every time i take it to the range. there is a steel target and i love shooting it with the sks using iron sights. its VERY satisfying. they didnt believe me. it only fueled the fire.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
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>>9688995 I'm everywhere. And yes that is me on ZS
>>9688976 I only learned about it in the past couple years, I like it but I think a PSL might be a better choice.
Anonymous
>>9688910 >more examples of how much "better" tripfags think they are than others... "i actually LIKE BEING HELD RESPONSIBLE" >you can impart knowledge in a serious discussion without having a trip. i've done it, check this thread. i dont think im better than anyone else (except tripfags) >check this thread >check it, look at what I did >ME >LOOK AT HOW IM NOT DRAWING ATTENTION TO ALL THE HELP I GAVE >STOP DRAWING ATTENTION TO YOURSELF YOU NARCISTIC TRIPFAGS Back to talking bout guns and stuff, with the .380 link provided earlier. Interesting, but for what it is I like my little pipsqueek Bersa. I don't have any gripes against .380 auto for a close defense round and it's recoil is light as hell even with 102 grn golden sabres, I couldn't even tell the difference between them and ball ammo.
Anonymous
>>9689001 ~_~ zastava m88 or PSL?
pic related, its a zastava m88 u fool. lol
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9689000 When was this? The Romanian section seemed very mature.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9689006 I deleted that post and reposted because I had the linked wrong.
Sorry! I was thinking M76
Imagine a PSL pistol
Anonymous
>>9689005 first off fuck you, i am that person you're referring to. second no matter what i say regarding myself, i can not be identified in the future because i was posting anonymously so the concept of a continuous persona who can carry a reputation is impossible. is your mind that puny you can't understand that?
third i like bersas and fourth i like roller delayed rifles
fifth stop being a faggot. nice guns.
Anonymous
>>9689011 dunno a long time ago, i thought you didnt go to sksboards? -_-
anyway i realized quickly that sksboards is full of fudds and paranoid fucks so i stopped caring once i got my ptr91 and other firearms. 4chan is actually a better place than sksboards.
Anonymous
>>9689014 haha PSL pistol oh boy.
dat recoil.
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9689021 I've read threads, just not signed up and posted there. I read dozens when I first got my Romanian, and all were quite helpful. Then again, that variant only attracts collectors and those with extra money to plop down on a Siminov, so that probably contributed to it. I'd imagine the general section or the Chinese/Yugo pages have more assholes.
Anonymous
>>9689026 fair enough
did you know there are actually accurized "sniper" norincos? only 400 were made.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9689023 No worse then this
Best looking Obrez i've seen
MilSurpDude !nIOHPohoKI
>>9689027 Wouldn't doubt it, and that ties in with the Hugo "marksman" variant that was seen here and there.
That's all for me tonight folks. Stay classy, /k/.
Anonymous
>>9689030 later
>>9689029 it would actually recoil a lot less than that obrez considering it has a gas system etc.
have you ever disabled your gas system on your sks and fired it? just take the piston out and shoot it, you'll be surprised how much more "recoil" it has. its safe to do the gas just vents out the holes in the gas tube and probably into the rear sight block somewhat. of course you have to manually rack it.
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
>>9689032 That brings to mind this
I know it would work but how efficient would it work without the gas system connected? Would it reliably cycle every time?
>>9689030 I'm about ready to collapse. Thanks for the info Mil.
Anonymous
>>9689036 i don't know why it wouldn't considering the force you impart on the carrier to work the action in the case of that HORRENDOUS ABOMINATION is the same force the operating rod (piston strikes it) imparts on the carrier, it just hits the carrier in the face and you hit it from the side using the charging handle. in theory it should be no different except you are now doing the work instead of the gas system. the falling block or tilt lock system is pretty resilient.
are you done for the evening?
Red Dawn !HUMKYrK8X.
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>>9689040 Yep, its time to go sleep and dream of that IAC 47.
I almost want to make one from an SKS that has a damaged barrel and gas system. Almost... I'd have to offer myself to /k/ for punishment if I did.
Thanks for the fun /k/, I'm out.
Anonymous
>>9689016 >fuck you. stop being a faggot. nice guns. OK dude, I dig that whole post, but the bullet point insults made me laugh.
And thank you for your regard of my simple firearms.
Anonymous
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>>9689045 >2011 >posting .gif >not animated ISHYGDDT
Anonymous
>>9689045 you're welcome sir. now quit being a dick and be my friend bro.
how much was your bersa? got any other firearms other than those 2?
Anonymous
>>9689050 >>9689016 >>9689005 would you say a that getting a Bersa is a good investment if I'm a poor fag?
Anonymous
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>>9689058 im not the same as all 3
i dunno i dont have one. they seem really awesome though
Anonymous
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The main advantage of 5.45 over 7.62 is similar ballistic characteristics and wounding/yawing effects in a lighter cartridge, basically. It was designed to replace it but retain many of the terminal effects so there's not loads more to it than that.
Anonymous
>>9687877 GiRL is an officious, pontificating egomaniac operating primarily on reported wisdom.
Anonymous
>>9689161 At least she's operating.
Anonymous
>>9689161 Also, not really a girl.
Anonymous
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>>9689192 If by operating you mean she masturbates every time her name is brought up in a thread, then yes, she operates her fingers very well.
Anonymous
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>>9689197 >hur its really a guy with a retarded sister/girlfriend Yes, thats totally and completely logical.
Keep on believing a rumor that Sv3t started because he felt like trolling.
Anonymous
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I like the bersa I used to own one and it was pretty nice
