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To prevent further killing, mhm, let's say m'kay.
If the direction is reversed, i.e. kill a person who has already done some killing, then it's a different thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:19:00 No.1740679 Report

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>>1740672
it hurts every day that you wake up and you are still not a janitor on /lit/, doesn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:22:00 No.1740682 Report

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>>1740663
>implying he wasn't a freedom fighter and a hero to his own people, trying to fend off american imperialism

Also, no.
A punishment should be a statement of moral superiority to the act that a person being punished for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:23:00 No.1740684 Report

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what did osama do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:27:00 No.1740692 Report

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Reported, you're not /lit/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:27:00 No.1740694 Report

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its a whole thread of samefaggery!

sage

sage Mon 02 May 2011 19:28:00 No.1740697 Report

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Get back to /new/ faggots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:30:00 No.1740705 Report

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I urge all /lit/ posters to report this thread.
Thank you!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:31:00 No.1740706 Report

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>>1740697
>Get back to /new/ faggots.

lol EPIC FAIL

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:31:00 No.1740708 Report

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>>1740694
i am, at least, not op. of course i'd to hear what people who esteem lev tostoy and ayn would tell about the burning issues of the day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:32:00 No.1740711 Report

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i am also not OP, but I posted the war crimes poster earlier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:35:00 No.1740718 Report

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"There's no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war. Except its ending." Abe Lincoln

Osama's death in no way means an end of terrorism or the 'war on terror'. It could even have the counter-effect of new attacks on western countries/embassies followed by retaliations, leading to more bloodshed.

As long as North-America upholds its Hollywood image of good and evil and arabic supervillains this conflict will never end. Chanting 'USA USA' after 10 years of pointless fighting with thousands of innocent people dieing and countries being destroyed, to me, is a really sick and short-sighted thing to do. When people base their victories on revenge and death you should wonder if your terms of good and evil still hold meaning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:35:00 No.1740721 Report

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>>1740711
but would you dare to post it on facebook?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:36:00 No.1740724 Report

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>>1740721
i would, but i do not have a FB because i am not a faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:38:00 No.1740726 Report

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I think the only justified reason to kill a human being is if their actions are purposely going to lead to the death of many more people.

Now the issue with Osama Bin Laden is that he no longer has any influence over Al Qaeda strategy or policy but some may say his image still holds influence.

To be honest I'm not too happy with the response to his death more than the death himself: people celebrating (no matter who the person is, it's never tasteful to celebrate their death), absolute crazy conspiracy theories occurring once again and a further resurgence of idiotic patriotism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:40:00 No.1740728 Report

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>>1740724
>>1740721
>>1740718
>>1740711
>>1740708
>>1740706
samefag

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:40:00 No.1740731 Report

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>>1740724
what use is it to post any kind of agitprop on 4chan? to crawl away in your hole and grumble - that's faggotry. Real man can risk their face and career for the truth. Facebook is an outlet for everyone. The Arab revolutions have been done through facebook. the freedom of word isn't the freedom of slave owners any longer, you are just too much a faggot to use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:43:00 No.1740737 Report

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>>1740663
Well done on making a martyr out of him.
Murrika really thought that one out through.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:43:00 No.1740738 Report

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>>1740731
cry moar CIA fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:44:00 No.1740739 Report

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>>1740731
most people on 4chan probably have a larger audience on 4chan than on facebook

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 19:48:00 No.1740748 Report

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'justice' is nothing more than the spirit of revenge

sage

sage Mon 02 May 2011 20:01:00 No.1740762 Report

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sage

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 21:05:00 No.1740856 Report

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>>1740748
Nietzsche dixit but his views fell out of favour with Nuremberg when we, the West, have claimed moral superiority over savages by giving a trial to the worst of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 21:47:00 No.1740910 Report

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>>1740663
Morality is a human construct, no god or buddha or christ or prophet came down from heaven to deliver it to us. Morality isn't even the same between cultures. Osama bin Laden thought it was moral to kill innocents to achieve his goals. In Pakistan, they think it's moral to rape a woman as punishment for her brother committing adultery (not even with her.)

Morality is just a codified and often spiritualized version of social mores that have fallen into place naturally over millennia of humans living and surviving in groups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 21:57:00 No.1740921 Report

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>>1740910
So, morality is culturally relative.

To bin Laden, it is justifiable to kill Americans because he is doing it for moral ends.

To Americans, it is justifiable to do all of this because from their relative point of view he was evil.

At the end of the day each party is just as bad as each other and guilty of basically the exact same crimes. Both are also unable to grasp that their view of right and wrong exist only in their own minds and are willing to be ruthless and bloodthirsty in order to establish their relative values on a large scale. Possibly because they realize that their values are empty and think if they had an empire of people who shared the same worldview, their morals and values would somehow become objectified.

Or maybe they are manchildren who kill each other for idiotic reasons.

The death of any person should never be celebrated.

? !Rrxa7zePwI

? !Rrxa7zePwI Mon 02 May 2011 22:00:00 No.1740925 Report

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rather childish question.

NonsequiturBear !!UFPpi0sFoPR

NonsequiturBear !!UFPpi0sFoPR Mon 02 May 2011 22:05:00 No.1740930 Report

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>>1740663
>uti/lit/arians
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:06:00 No.1740932 Report

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>>1740663
I don't really care about humans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:11:00 No.1740939 Report

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>>1740921

I think it's unfair to say that either party is blind to the hypocrisy of their actions. In either case, their actions were motivated by a sense of survival. Bin Laden was trying to rescue his culture from the corrupting influence of those he saw as evil, while the United States hated Bin Laden for his (alleged; orchestrated) actions against innocent civilians. I'm sure that there were times when Bin Laden regretted the loss of at least a few lives from any of his actions, direct or indirect. He probably considered this a "necessary evil," a small price to pay for the greater good of striking a blow against the Great Satan.

It's easy enough to criticize people's decisions from outside the situation after the dust has settled, but consider the fact that we're not privy to the intricacies of these mens' moral codes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 May 2011 22:48:00 No.1740986 Report

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>>1740939
I understand this and take it into account. My view is just relative in any case.

Both parties have the blood of innocents on their hands. Both have committed atrocities.

As much as I am spewing relativistic, philosophical shit, at the end of the day the dead families from all of the nations effected by this situation aren't going to take much solace in the intricacies of some random person with powers worldview.

From my own (relative) perspective, this is what is actually important and what actually matters.

It gets more complex than that, I know. But still, people who had families and cared about other people are dead. And we have Americans cheering on the streets. That is no different than Muslims dancing and cheering when the second tower fell. It's disgusting and these people should be ashamed.

Humanity being what it is though.. I'm a naive idealist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 00:42:00 No.1741128 Report

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>>1740986

It seems I didn't read your original post well enough. It's quite right to condemn the actions of the populace as they celebrate the deaths of individuals with friends and families.

These tragedies will continue for a long time to come. Humanity as a species will not have a unified culture without paying a steep price in blood. Joining together as one culture is the only thing that will end the slaughter of innocents by armies, and even then men will disagree about anything there can be a disagreement about.

Every era (with a few notable regressions here and there) has moved us closer to the age when we can exist in peace with each other; it will likely get worse as resources become scarce in the coming decades. If we can solve the problems that make one country covet the assets of others we'll put a lot of this bloodshed to rest. In the meantime, people will kill and die for the "greater good" of their nations.

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Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 00:45:00 No.1741132 Report

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There's no such thing as evil. grow up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 01:01:00 No.1741154 Report

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>>1741132
Isn't this exactly what the last few posts have been talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 01:14:00 No.1741160 Report

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>>1740682

He founded al-Qaeda as a means to bring Sharia law to the Muslim world.

>freedom fighter
>Sharia law

>freedom
>Sharia law

Do you understand why your position is stupid?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 01:18:00 No.1741164 Report

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>>1741160
>implying I wasn't trolling ever so slightly

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 01:21:00 No.1741169 Report

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>>1741164

You would not believe how many times I've heard 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter' today. The butthurt is strong in me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 01:22:00 No.1741171 Report

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>justified
lol fuck you insect! might makes right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 01:23:00 No.1741173 Report

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>>1741169

Well, you could say he was fighting for his peer's religious freedom in a sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 01:36:00 No.1741181 Report

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>do you think the killing of another human being can be justified if that human was evil?

let me guess, you read Harry Potter?

killing humans isn't justifiable because the victim is "evil," it's justifiable because human life has no intrinsic value.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 03:30:00 No.1741284 Report

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I somehow doubt that Genghis Khan thought much in terms of "justifiable action", "the value of life" or "evil" when he was conquering the known world.

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Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 03:33:00 No.1741289 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 03:34:00 No.1741290 Report

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Yes. Also, killing Usama makes you guilty of murder so you being murdered is justified.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 04:01:00 No.1741337 Report

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>>1740682
>implying he wasn't a freedom fighter and a hero to his own people, trying to fend off american imperialism

who are "his people"? He was a rich saudi arab, afghanis (Surprise!) and pakistanis (Double surprise!) are not arabs. The branch of islam he pushed was a variant of redneck qutb nonesense; the taliban were more orthodox sunnis.

Seriously, liberal interpetations of the islamic sphere are ridioclous. History by Dances with Wolves, brought to you by axe body spray.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 04:09:00 No.1741352 Report

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Evil is a relative term
No one can be defined as evil
Therefore no one can be put to death for their actions

jew !!6P/WhzicJTl

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jew !!6P/WhzicJTl Tue 03 May 2011 04:14:00 No.1741361 Report

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>>1741337
haha, hit the nail right on the head bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 04:17:00 No.1741369 Report

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>>1741352
>he believes actions to be relative!

This person was responsible for the killing of several innocent citizens, that's cold fact.

satago110

satago110 Tue 03 May 2011 04:18:00 No.1741372 Report

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My favorite part of that story was when the Author put the spoiled rich kid in a mansion instead of a cave. It was very apropos, the reader assumed he was toughing it out in a cave, but he wasn't quite ready to sacrifice his comforts as easily he sacrificed his "brothers".

jew !!6P/WhzicJTl

jew !!6P/WhzicJTl Tue 03 May 2011 04:20:00 No.1741381 Report

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>>1741352
Evil is a relative term
Anyone can be defined as Evil
Therefore anyone can be put to death or any action whatsoever.

jew !!6P/WhzicJTl

jew !!6P/WhzicJTl Tue 03 May 2011 04:21:00 No.1741382 Report

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>>1741381
*for any action

Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ

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Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Tue 03 May 2011 04:29:00 No.1741404 Report

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It doesn't matter how much of a psychopath he was, you cannot rationally justify why this man had to die.

Giving dogmatic ideas (be they nationalism, religion, revenge) precedence over human life can never be justified, and the crass displays of joy shown by even the leaders of America over the death of a human being repulses me from a country I honestly believed was beginning to mature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 04:32:00 No.1741411 Report

Quoted By: >>1741424

>>1741404
>404
there is no innate value to human life. Prove me wrong

Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ

Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Tue 03 May 2011 04:36:00 No.1741424 Report

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>>1741411

Intrinsically nothing has value except our ability to create value through our interpretations and decisions.

Our consciousness gives us value, basically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 04:44:00 No.1741439 Report

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>>1741404
>Implying that there is a single world leader besides those of Hamas who aren't ecstatic

Sure is self-righteous bullshit up in here.
Stop pretending you're better than everyone else. I'm essentially pacifist and I'm still glad he's gone.

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