Climate Change: Not every scientist is part of Al Gore's mythical "consensus." Scientists worried about a new ice age seek funding to better observe something bigger than your SUV — the sun.
Back in 1991, before Al Gore first shouted that the Earth was in the balance, the Danish Meteorological Institute released a study using data that went back centuries that showed that global temperatures closely tracked solar cycles.
To many, those data were convincing. Now, Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better "eyes" with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact on Earth's climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our planet combined.
And they're worried about global cooling, not warming.
http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175
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Such an event occurred in the 17th century. The observation of sunspots showed extraordinarily low levels of magnetism on the sun, with little or no 11-year cycle.
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this is bullshit
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Get Al on it!! We'll have a sun tax! That's bound to work!
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>>667362 Someone left out the most important part of that article, what a suprise.
"And for anyone hoping that a solar downswing might bail us out of our current dilemma: Solar influence on climate is slight compared to the impact of man-made greenhouse gases, a National Academy of Sciences report concluded in 1995."
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jesus christ does anyone even know what the fuck they're talking about anymore?
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>>667426 People are too retarded to relize it I guess. You dont need to be too bright to grasp the idea but god knows how stupid people are.
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Al Gore is saying that human trash and gases are causing global warming.
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>>667442 Or, we could simply stop worrying about it all, and get on with our lives.
Lolwhoa I forgot, that doesn't sell very many newspapers.
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>>667429 People forget that the world is so huge that a lot of factors influence the atmosphere.
But some idiots think that its either the sun, or polution. For them it cant be both.
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I suspect if you fucking *fear* the sun, you have other problems
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>>667549 Opposed to being afraid of gas particles?
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>>667417 Fuck 2012, this is where shit goes downhill:
The Unix epoch (also known as Unix Time Stamp) is the representation of time as the number of non-leap seconds since 00:00:00 UTC on January 1, 1970, introduced by the Unix operating system, standardised in POSIX, and later adopted by the Java programming language and JavaScript. Because many computers today store the number of seconds as a 32-bit signed integer, the Unix epoch is often said to last 231 seconds, thus “ending” at 03:14:07 Tuesday, January 19, 2038 (UTC).
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>>667472 Why is it that science has become a politically tool these days?
Intelligent Design by Republicans
Global Warming by Democrats
Fuck, it isn't religion that's fucking science up, it's politics.
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How the fucking solar cicles affect the climate? The solar cicles are magnetic you moron.
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>>667663 Here's a dipshit who didn't RTFA
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>>667663 >solar cicles >moron Does not compute.
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1970s - global cooling will destroy us all
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>>667698 In b4 "global climate" fag bawwwwwing
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THE SUNS BIGGER THAN AN SUV
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>>667890 Don't believe the liberal lies, vote stormfront. We know the bus is actually pulled around on a chariot by Jesus's brother, Apollo Creed.
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Does anybody have more sauce that supports this article? I don't believe it...
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>>667698 It's not science that's failing it, it's the faggot media who parrot stories they don't even understand.
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>Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better "eyes" with which to observe our sun
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LOL @ BUSH/EXXON SCIENCE.
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Soon we will blow up the Sun in order to create a monopoly on lunar power.
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is OP's pic from the movie Sunshine?
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>>668188 Soon we will blow up the Sun in order to create a monopoly on lunar power.Nahh, americans are too busy blowing up the Earth to do anything about the Sun. We live in the culmination of oil peak and energy available to human race, and the best we can do is mutilate our planet and our race with war. There is no real hope for humanity outside when fags like Bush are allowed to ruin our civilization and bring it back to barbarity with such ease.
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Oh for fuck's sake, if anything this is an argument FOR human-influenced climate change. Temperatures on Earth correlate exactly with solar cycles, and have done ever since...ever. And yet in the past 40 years while solar radiation has been FALLING, the temperature has been RISING. The exact correlation that has been ever-present ever since the DAWN OF TIME no longer exists! So what changed in the 1970s that fucked up all known principles of meteorology?
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peak oil is a myth. prove me wrong
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>>668245 >Temperatures on Earth correlate exactly with solar cycles, and have done ever since...ever. Really? Then what happened here?
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>>668245 Thank you sir! Your very existence reduces my blood pressure by no less then 20%! I am glad SOME people actually like to look up real facts and REASON CRAP OUT.
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>>668245 You're doing it wrong
Less logic, facts and thought out arguments, more knee jerk reactions and psuedo-science.
That's how an /n/ thread works.
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>>668263 The correlation is pretty evident, but there are alot of factors on earth that can interfere. One is human activity (as seen by the recent massive disparity.
Volcanic activity can also have an impact, if very few volcanoes are going off then the earth will get hotter, if a large number (or one or two very large ones) go off the earth gets cooler.
That was one of the reasons for the 1960s, 1970s cooling periods, when there were a handful of scientists and media people worried about another ice age (it wasn't a vast consensus, as is global warming). That period was marked by above-average volcanic activity, which produced a decline in average global temperatures...temporarily.
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>>668263 >Really? Then what happened here? Statistical fluke. Probably the effects of a bunch of El Ninos or something. Solar cycles aren't the ONLY factors affecting the environment, but before us humans came along they were the most powerful. Right after the spike, as you can see, things return to normal. This time things are radically different.
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>>668291 So all the other times the data didn't correlate it was all do to natural causes but now it's ZOMG HUMANS IS DOIN IT!
You fucking liberals will make up any kind of bullshit to back up your fake science.
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>>668309 Speaking of El Nino, did you know that 1998 was during one?
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>>668314 Those discrepencies always fall along a certain margin (relatively small) unless major disasters such as super-volcanos or meteor impacts occur. Never in the history of the planet has the temperature risen so much so quickly as far as scientists know.
I am sorry if we have facts that show why this or that happened that back us up and not you. It isn't our fault you have absolutely no grasp of science whatsoever.
The correlation between carbon dioxide and the current major trend in global climate change is pretty well established, as is the effect of volcanoes and the sun on our planet's temperature.
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>>668321 So you're just going to keep lying about what the data shows and claim people did it, eh? Fucking liberals.
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>>668332 So, you're gonna keep lying and say we don't contribute anything.
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>>668332 The data is clearly showing that humans are to blame. I don't know what you are talking about here.
This is like when you guys start gloating when the temperature hits 10 degrees or it snows. You don't know what averages are, you don't know how complicated our climate is, you don't know what a correlation is...you don't seem to know anything and yet you consistently try to overturn what actual scientists are saying.
"Hurrr, global cooling is coming because the sun's cooling abit"....even though the exact opposite is happening. You seize on tiny, inconclusive reports by a small number of scientists (Who never back up the conclusions you make) and try to use it to refute the mountain of evidence against you.
Get a fucking clue.
>>668321 >Those discrepencies always fall along a certain margin (relatively small) unless major disasters such as super-volcanos or meteor impacts occur. Never in the history of the planet has the temperature risen so much so quickly as far as scientists know. Wrong. The planet has warmed faster than now on at least 6 separate occasions.
>The correlation between carbon dioxide and the current major trend in global climate change is pretty well established, as is the effect of volcanoes and the sun on our planet's temperature. Yes, there is an 800 year lag between temperature rise and C02. C02 has never driven climate in the past.
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>>668338 YOU IDIOT! Global Warming is a conspiracy between the U.N., the Communists, and the Sun to kill zillions of people! They did it in 1674 and they'll do it again I tell ya!
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>>668343 Show me some facts, because I call Bullshit. Show your hand CB, I know you're bluffing.
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>>667429 There is a reason we call it climate change and not global warming these days.
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>>668343 It sure is fun to vomit numbers all over the place without citing your sources.
>>668351 Bullshit?
All of my statements are well established facts.
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>>668356 Apparently there ought to be less rainfall around the equatorial zone and more in areas that are closer to earth's poles.
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>>668343 Oh look, it seems that NASA and real, legitimate scientists are saying otherwise:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080116114150.htm Here's an interesting quote from THE REAL SCIENTISTS:
""It is unlikely that 2008 will be a year with truly exceptional global mean temperature," said Hansen. "Barring a large volcanic eruption, a record global temperature clearly exceeding that of 2005 can be expected within the next few years, at the time of the next El Nino, because of the background warming trend attributable to continuing increases of greenhouse gases.""
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>>668370 THESE ARE WELL ESTABLISHED FACTS I DO NOT NEED TO PROVE SO DO NOT ASK ME TO!
(Oh, and all the real scientists say otherwise).
I am sure the earth was hotter when it was still a molten ball of magma, I suppose. But that isn't exactly relevant.
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>>668343 The liberal "scientists" explain that away by saying CO2 is an "amplifier" rather then actually driving the temperature.
Hilariously CO2 is a fraction of a percentage of the global warming effect. Which only contributes to the total warming of the earth by like 20 degrees or something.
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>>668343 800 YEAR LAG! HURRRRRRRR...
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>>668397 An increase in average global temperatures by 20 degrees would probably wipe out all of humanity you complete idiot.
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>>668398 I'd delete this post if I were you.
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>>668397 20 degrees would be a devastating increase in temperature. The current Global Warming trend that threatens the planets is a change of only 2 degrees.
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I say it ought to be voluntary... anyone who wants to save the planet can conserve their own emissions... whether you're an individual or a business.
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>>668398 Can you read a chart?
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>>668398 Roflowned. So you can clearly make out 800 years on that 400,000 year chart?
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>>668412 Don't you see it?! it's the last 2000 years or so where temperature has leveled off! You know... since the dawn of man... oh wait...
>>668412 He's stupid, I'm waiting for the delete.
NO ONE, NOT EVEN PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT THE THEORY OF CATASTROPHIC NEGATIVE FEEDBACK GLOBAL WARMING, DISPUTES THE 800 YEAR LAG.
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>>668398 Dude, delete that. You're gonna get it.
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>>668421 >>668422 >>668425 Butthurt libfag who doesn't understand the science.
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>>668417 You FAGGOT! THE CO2 Skyrockets, and you bitch about how it takes 800 years for the world to correct it? FAGGOT!
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>>668417 How typical, once again the other side brings in a scientific paper by real scientists and claim that it supports them (even though it does not).
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/taylor/indermuehle00grl.pdf In fact, it even states this in the abstract:
"Good correlation of the CO2 record with temperature reconstructions based on stable isotope measurements on the Vostok ice core (Antarctica) is found."
In fact, the whole fucking article is talking about a completely different climate-carbon relationship that yes, does occur on long scales.
This longer cycle is the same thing as the sun's background heating and cooling cycle, which has an effect on the more direct carbon-heat cycle and current human impacted global warming trends but is not the reason for the recent increase.
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>>668398 Dude, run.
>>668437 is why you should. The facts will get you killed.
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>"Good correlation of the CO2 record with temperature reconstructions based on stable isotope measurements on the Vostok ice core (Antarctica) is found."
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>>668448 What the fuck are you talking about?
Another interesting problem with the data is that each data point stands for a hundred to two hundred years.
SO OF COURSE IT IS GONNA SHOW CYCLES TO THE EFFECT OF HUNDREDS OF YEARS, THAT IS HOW IT IS BEING GROUPED.
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What Capitalist Bastards' mistrepresented scientific paper is showing is this, in plain terms:
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ITT: 2 dumbfuck tinfoil hat conservatives, 7 --PROUD CONSERVATIVE-type trolls, and 1 person who knows what he's talking about because he spent at least 10 minutes reading an actual scientific paper on the subject.
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>>Wrong. The planet has warmed faster than now on at least 6 separate occasions.
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wow, just wow. I have to ask, are all the people who seem to have their heads up their ass about man causing increased climate change a product of the american education system? I for the life of me never met anyone who was so dense from any other country.
