As Boston police prepare to go into some of the city's most dangerous neighborhoods, knock on doors of private houses, and ask if they can search for illegal guns without a warrant, officials are trying to pitch the idea of the plan as friendly cooperation to residents who still see it as a threatening intrusion.
By the time they start going door to door next month, police hope they will have reassured clergy, neighborhood leaders, and parents who still see the program as a way to violate the privacy of residents in neighborhoods with a large population of minority-group members and and immigrants.
"There is a big trust issue," said Deputy Superintendent Gary French, who will oversee the Safe Homes program. "I think a lot of people think there's going to be some kind of behind-the-scenes hook to this, and there really isn't. The reality of it is it's strictly a program aimed at getting guns out of the hands of juveniles."
Police plan to search for weapons in four Dorchester and Roxbury neighborhoods by late February or early March. Relying on the tips from schools, community organizations, and parents, they will look in the rooms of any children whose parents or guardians give consent to the search, French said. (The program does not apply to anyone over 18, because they are legally adults and parents can no longer give consent to a search of their rooms.)
Ten officers and a sergeant assigned to the city's schools have been trained to conduct the searches. Most of them speak a second tongue, Spanish or Cape Verdean Creole.
To further put residents at ease, officers will wear civilian clothes and try to look like office workers on casual Friday rather than FBI agents, French said. "They won't go in there in a three-piece suit."
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2008/02/09/police_set_to_search_for_guns_at_ homes/
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>officers will wear civilian clothes and try to look like office workers on casual Friday rather than FBI agents, I can see it now, thieves going around neighborhoods wearing business casual outfits, asking to go into homes, stealing valuables, and leaving.
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>>677331 It happens all the time, fake uniforms(and real ones) are easily bought on Ebay.
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I fail to see a problem since you know, they can just say no if they dont want cops int heir house. God niggers are so dumb.
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Finally! About time your stupid government does something about guns. Maybe this'll stop you retarded Americans from killing each other all the time.
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>>677408 refusing a search should in itself be considered probable cause. why would you say "no" unless you had something to hide?
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>>677408 You have the right to remain silent. Actually, you don't.
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>>677425 You are a fucking retard and I hope your civil liberties are violated repeatedly.
And if you live in a country without them, well, I hope you get what you deserve.
Anyone who thinks like you has no right to complain when the boot of the government comes to crush you.
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>>677491 Welcome to fucking 4chan.
You got trolled.
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>>677491 The police likely tag houses that refuse the search.
But the question is how do the police search for the guns? Do they start ripping apart the house, slashing open mattresses, etc?
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This reminds me of the Turner Diaries, but in reverse.
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>>why would you say "no" unless you had something to hide? http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/10/2054219 Anonymous
LOL 4TH AMENDMENT AMERIKAANTS ARE FUCKING STUPID
>>677612 >4TH AMENDMENT YOU HAVE NO STANDING TO RAISE A 4TH AMENDMENT DEFENSE IF YOU CONSENT TO THE SEARCH LOL.
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And what exactly is wrong with searching for illegals guns in places that most likely have them? Quit the OMG NEW WORLD ORDER GOVERNMENT BAD bullshit and think about it for a second: If a feral criminal beast may be hiding guns on his place, wouldn't you think the best for everyone is that that gun would be confiscated from the hands of a CRIMINAL?
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>>677633 TROOFERS and logic don't go well along.
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>>677622 the fourth amendment to the United States constitution reads ... :
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Uh, you need a warrant. You can't just show to somebody's door in military drab and a SMG drawn and ask to search their house. That's PATENTLY illegal.
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>And what exactly is wrong with searching for illegals guns in places that most likely have them? it's against the law.
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>>677647 So would you rather let a gang monkey shoot your family, rather than taking his gun from him?
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Nothing is legal. They only need to charge you.
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>>677653 well, that's why we have the second amendment...
gee, I'm not going to have GIVE everybody a lesson on the constitution here, am I?
Aren't you supposed to learn this shit IN SCHOOL?
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>>677662 So you're implying your country is some kind of huge shooting arena?
This is real life, not CS.
Also, i'd like to know how a single gun is going to protect you from a horde of proto-human beasts armed with semi-automatic guns.
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>>677669 Also, i'd like to know how a single gun is going to protect you from a horde of proto-human beasts armed with semi-automatic guns.I don't think he'll have too much trouble fighting against people who think that firing their gun sideways is effective and accurate.
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>>677669 Actually, police forces behave very much like the counter-terrorists do in Counter-Strike. They don't need to show you a warrant, they just need to flashbang you then kick your ass in the middle of the night while you sleep. Then charge you for "resisting arrest".
lol.
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>>677677 I actually don't own a gun at all. I live in a safe neighbourhood and my parents are totally against violence because of our unique family history.
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>>677693 unique family historyMore info pl0x.
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>>677709 I see you're familiar with the internet.
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>>677644 They can ask, and you can refuse. It's not unconstitutional. It's unconstitutional if they FORCE a search without a warrant.
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>>677816 they ask
you refuse
they mark down your address
the next morning a S.W.A.T. team breaks down your door, breaks out your front picture window, fills your house with CS gas, pulls you out into the street to sit on the curb in zipties while they ransack the place.
no one else in your neighborhood refuses. anything. ever.
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>>677858 i've seen that happen for "i smelled weed growing" after the police came to the front door for some "random reason". no weed growing, only a basement full of computer servers using up electricity.
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>>677858 Yeah, SWAT raids are called in all the time for refusal to allow random unfounded searches. You know that the department has to blow off all that budget money on unreasonable suspicions and not weeks of surveillance.
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Just admit it, paranoidfags. Weapons being taken off the hand of criminals is a good thing.
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>>677858 That doesn't happen anywhere without a warrant. The only time that might happen is if you're a terrorist, and if you are, I hope the SWAT team is busting down your door RIGHT NOW. GO! GO! GO!
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>>677926 It probably won't effect criminals but law abiding niggers protecting their family from violent niggers.
In the end this is a waste of tax payer money and will accomplish nothing at all.
Also If i lived in the states i would get an AK47 knockoff or a garand or something just to do some cop killing if swats ever busted into my house.
I would go out in a blaze of glory.
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>>678113 yes, the implication was that they would trump up a warrant. i know it's not that simple or easy, but it DOES happen, and an operation like this stinks of fascist techniques.
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>>678288 >>law abiding niggers Anonymous
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>>678288 God, you're a cum stain. Go buy the gun and kill yourself instead.
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>>678467 God isn't a cum stain.
Why would Billions of people worship and commit their life for a cum stain?
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We know the ACLU won't protect these peoples' rights in this situation. gg libfags
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>>678499 ACLU has basically given up everything but speech. and they're backing away from that, too.
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>>678499 You can actually thank the patriot act, dumbass.
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The patriot act is why we can't have guns and why we have to watch what we say. It made the rest possible.
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>>677316 ohh fuck! i saw it comming. american civilisation! american dream fuck that way!
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>>678574 lol united shit of america
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This has nothing to do with the Patriot Act. It's perfectly legal and Constitutional for the Police to ASK to come in and search. It's called a Voluntary Encounter, and the residents can refuse the search, or can simply tell the police to "fuck off".
>>677644 You are fucking retarded and have no legal training whatsoever.
As long as the consent isn't forced under duress, police don't need a warrant to search.
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>>678688 >>678691 and like responses
this line of reasoning doesn't work. firstly, most people don't know shit about what rights they have, especially when it comes to denying access to a police officer. the public education doesn't teach them anything about this, and indeed enforces the concept that the right does not exist by taking it away fro the first 18 years of their life.
even people who are aware that they have all the right in the world to tell a cop to fuck off, aren't likely to. people are afraid of cops, and/or respect them. regardless they are not likely to protest when they don't think any harm can come of it.
which leads to the argument that by denying access they appear suspicious. and it's true, but that still doesn't make it right to take action based on that suspicion.
this whole situation is basically a pretense to allow otherwise illegal searches. ie "i smell marijuana", or "did you hear a woman yelling for help (glass shattering, etc.)?". or just getting a search warrant and coming back the next day.
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