Hey non-Americans, what has happened to your gas prices in the past couple years? While ours has gone from $1.50 a gallon at the start of the recession to $4 a gallon now, how much has yours gone up? Ours has jumped over 2.5 times.
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Theirs has done the same thing. Gas prices going up is universal.
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somewhat consistent rise the last few years. 2005 it was about 1.10, or 1.15€ per liter. now it's at 1.45. quite few spikes up, one or two spikes down in between, but almost constantly rising
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>>4627698 I FUCKING LOVE ARIZONA ITS ONLY $3.50
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>>4627706 Not for long. The US dollar is going down, so be ready for higher prices.
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>>4627701 So less than a 50% increase? Pretty good compared to the USA. A big part of our problem is the stupid weak dollar policy the Fed and our retarded presidents have been pushing the last 10 years.
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>>4627738 Where do you live?
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here in melbourne , australia , fuel is roughly 1.50$ per litre its fluctuating a lot, it equates to 5.55$ per gallon. which sucks. before the 2008 global finicail crisis, it was around 1$-1.10$ which made it about 3.70$ per gallon. fuel is expensive here, and i imagine the same for the rest of the world, america's "high prices" still look relatively decent to us.
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All oil is bought and sold in US dollars. So when the US dollar drops, everybody has to pay more for gas.
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>>4627754 So the Federal Reserve of the USA is actually fucking the whole world over?
It's simple, kill the Ben Bernanke
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>>4627770 when is the US not fucking the world over?
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>>4627772 When we liberated Western Europe from Nazi Germany? Would you have preferred the Soviet Union to "liberate" them?
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>>4627770 Yeah. It was after WW2 that there was a treaty. It said that all oil has to be traded in dollars. At the time it was a great deal because the US dollar was backed by gold. Then in 71(not sure of date) Nixon closed the gold standard. Things went to hell after that.
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>>4627698 >Theirs has done the same thing. Gas prices going up is universal. That's where you're wrong, buddy: you're not taking taxes into account. In France, roughly 65% of the price is taxes. So when the gas prices go up, the difference is less noticeable for the consumer. The side effect is that we're fucked in the ass regardless of whether gas is cheap or expensive.
In France, in early 2009, the average price was €1.20 a liter. Now it's €1.55.
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>>4627804 See
>>4627812 we only joined the war so we could fuck over the world on a later date.
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>>4627814 Uh, it still goes up.
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>>4627828 It still goes up, but the upward trend is less noticeable if you're a consumer, because the actual cost of gas is only 35% of the consumer price. As I was saying, we're screwed anyway, but at least the rise is somewhat "predictable" and doesn't fuck up families' budgets.
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>>4627866 (cont'd)
OP's question wasn't "have your prices decreased" - because obviously they've increased everywhere - he was actually interested in how important the price increase was. Apparently it's 250% in the US, whereas it's "only" 25% in France.
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quit whining y'all, i'm paying 10,25$ for a fucking gallon. worst part is, there's a very high possibility that my country has massive petrol reserves. which the govt doesn't even touch. also if i want to buy a new car, i have to pay up to %98 tax. even if it's a domestic. srsly, fuck this country.
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>>4628005 Producing more oil in your country will not lower the cost of oil in your country. Why would an oil company sell oil for less just because they drilled in your country?
"Drill Baby Drill" argument here in America is completely idiotic.
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>>4628025 well at least maybe they would stop fucking me in the ass everytime i buy it.
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>>4628025 Oil market is global market. Drilling and producing more oil anywhere = higher supply = lower prices everywhere. Liberal shit for brains.
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>>4628005 What? Where the fuck do you live?
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Just Expecting Every Problem !2JdOvIfmOM!!jpkjhRHE66J Sun 01 May 2011 10:51:00 No. 4630049 Report Quoted By:
>>4630006 This. Plus it stimulates the economy (assuming the pollution isn't giving people cancer and not harming the water).
Although in reality, we have already reached peak oil. Drilling wouldn't help much.
The real big thing is going to be natural gas though. Going to school in Fort Worth and considering getting a minor in energy really makes you realize this...
Hell, I want to buy some land just to have the natural gas company pay me for putting a well pad on it. Assuming you had a square mile of land and somehow got 10 pads on there, you would get about 100k a year, no joke.
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Its a Civic Duty PoPPiN DaT !VTECw.XH8s Sun 01 May 2011 10:53:00 No. 4630058 Report >>4630006 Newsflash - That oil is not yours, its an oil company's oil. Just because its coming out of Alaska does not mean its automatically going to America. No, its most likely going all to Japan. And the most it will drop is a couple cents 5-6 years down the line when we should instead be concentrating on other forms of energy (like coal liquefaction, cheaper solar/wind energy, and algae biodiesel) which WILL give larger returns down the line.
Personally, you Republicans don't look at it right for the argument against domestic drilling. We're better off just sucking all the oil out of the Middle East THEN WHEN THEY RUN OUT use our own oil and sell them back oil. No point in eliminating our secret stash of oil for a couple of cents a gallon.
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>>4630006 too bad the price isn't dictated by supply
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>>4630058 We've been working on solar, wind, and biofuels for 40 fucking years and they're still not ready for prime time. Drill the god damn oil now, use the renewable shit later when it's better developed. God damn
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In the end, America should: 1) Build moer nuclear energy plants. No greenhouses gases, more energy than 10,000 wind turbines per year. Nuclear waste can be reconstructed, like it is in France, so no-to little waste. Use Nuclear to power industry, residential, commercial uses etc. Make electric cars that run via charging at your house. Your house is supplied via nuclear plant. Win-Win. But we'd have to fix our infrastructure and build more plants. Money, money, money. We can borrow it, like always, we just need the initiative. Also, fuck lobbyism.
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>>4630006 >thinks the market isn't saturated with crude oil The supply/demand price of a barrel of oil is about $70.
The rest is massive speculation in the oil futures market. Just like it was in 2004-2008.
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Its a Civic Duty PoPPiN DaT !VTECw.XH8s Sun 01 May 2011 11:00:00 No. 4630100 Report >>4630079 >>We've been working on solar, wind, and biofuels for 40 fucking years and they're still not ready for prime time Maybe its because they're largely ignored for cheaper petroleum alternatives and barely funded?
Drilling won't do shit. It'll take 4-5 years and it won't reduce less than a dime while reducing our domestic supply in case of an actual emergency (Like I don't know, OIL RUNNING OUT?) You're better off actually trying to regulate speculators. THE OIL MARKET DOES NOT FOLLOW THE LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
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The US earns a 18.75% royalty on every barrel of oil produced in the US. They also earn money leasing the plots, and on rents if the tract produces oil. Also, since the oil companies are paying on these leases and rents they really have no incentive to sit on a plot for years before pulling any oil. Example- it was 2 years between BP buying the rights to drill and the beginning of drilling. A few months later the explosion happened. I'm not sure where the 10 year outlook idea came from. This results in billions in revenue. Don't worry though, the government doesn't need help spending your money.
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>>4630085 What we need is the TEA Party.
The THORIUM ENERGY ALLIANCE PARTY
>Also, fuck lobbyism. Truer words never typed.
The ultimate fact is that a lot of consumer goods (including shit like oil and bread) are not pegged to demand but to commodities indexes, which artificially increase demand and drive the price up without a true matching real demand.
It's fucking BULLSHIT and leaves the prices for fucking EVERYTHING sky high.
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>>4630103 There's a glut of crude oil on the market. Supply vastly exceeds demand right now, and has for the last 4 years.
It's much cheaper to drill in the Middle East. Nobody's drilling here because it'd be vastly more expensive, and you'd be pumping oil for which there are no actual buyers.
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>>4630085 France's re-enrichment center costs them billions (trillions?). Technology even in nuclear has stagnated. I'm a fan of molten salt reactors, but nuclear is a dirty word since one had a partial meltdown after the most powerful earthquake in documented history.
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>>4630079 I agree with you, but:
By the time the new technology is "ready," the world will not have the infrastructure for it. We will not have the tools needed for lack of construction. We need the oil to help build the basis of future energy. The same way we switched from wood to coal to natural gas and oil. We did it gradually and used the previous energy source to prepare for the new source. Prepare the system now, to get ready for the switch n the future. It cant be instant, the way you make it seem. Also, climate change. I wont go as far to say global warming, but no scientist will deny climate change due to humans. Renewable energy needs to happen now. Liberalism is not the only disease. So is conservatism. All parties are, they destroy America, just like our first president said they would. don't make decisions based on what your parties think, go with your education and critical thinking. If you lack education, get it.
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>>4630112 No one's drilling here because even after the "summer moratorium" officially ended, the administration hasn't approved any OCS leases.
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>>4630100 Barely funded? Every one of these technologies has had billions of tax payer money wasted on subsidizing them while their efficiency has barely improved.
>>4630058 You're forgetting the liberals will just let all the starving middle eastern refugees flood into our country and take it the fuck over. You're also forgetting our tax dollars are subsidizing all that research into solar energy etc just so it can be shipped to china/india to be produced at a fraction of the cost.
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>>4630114 Newer nuclear reactors, have emergency water reserves to cool the nuclear reactors that DO NOT depend on electricity or fail safes etc. The use gravity, so if gravity exists, (as it does, always) the reserves will act and cool the reactor for 72 hours. After that, the reactor and its crew should be able deal with the problem. Also, this emergency system, can be made even larger to support a longer amount of time ,but of course, costs more. Also, the reason we don't do reconstruction is because when you make the waste ready for the reactor again, it is weapons grade uranium. U.S.A., unfortunately feels this is not a good idea, but I disagree. Also, every energy system has its drawbacks. Chernoble and Japan's disaster, I feel does not outweigh its benefits. Also, the nuclear fuel rods used in reactors last for 10 years, before needing to be reconstructed. Definitely worth it if you ask me.
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>>4630133 You do realize this isn't what's happening right?
I'm about as far left as you can get in 'Murrica while driving a truck and not really giving a fuck about the environment or being a fucking hippy - all for social justice (or what is usually called human fucking decency)
What's actually happening is that most of the alternative energy projects are horribly mismanaged pipedreams with atrocious funding relative to what they need to achieve sustainability goals. It's not left, or right, it's people being fucking DUMB.
What's killing America is almost unrestricted speculation and hair-brained financial policy - policies which have been rolled in steadily since the 70s.
It has literally nothing to do with politics, no matter how many bumper stickers you put on your Chevy or Prius.
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>>4630127 Oil companies hold leases all over the continental States and the Gulf of Mexico. They're not drilling here because it'd be more expensive to drill here than in the Middle East.
There's more oil on the market right now than there are actual buyers. So, an oil company, to drill here, would be reducing profits in order to fill demand that doesn't exist.
The inflation of oil prices in the last decade is the result of oil-futures speculation on Wall Street, caused by the Fed dumping almost-free money into the economy.
Futures are not actually buying oil -- you're not required to actually take delivery of the oil you 'buy.' So, people enter into a contract to buy oil three months from now for $190/barrel, basically betting that the price of oil will be above that in three months. That contract is usually resold within 24 hours to another investor for a profit. Since a few billion dollars of $190 oil have been bought, the price of oil rises as people, seeing the price of oil rising, buy contracts for $191 oil to be delivered in three months. The cycle repeats until the money supply dries up, as in the crash of 2008, whereupon there's panicked selling of contracts and the price of oil crashes down to its actual market value (from $150 to $37.50 in 2008)
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>>4630058 US exports of gasoline (and total petroleum products) are at an all time high. US crude exports were up 46% in 2010 from 2009 and are the highest in over a decade.
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>>4630133 Fuck your anti-liberalism. Conservatism and liberalism are bad. Pot calling the kettle black.
>>4630128 yfw realize that oil and natural gas are even more subsidized than these technologies. Our future is advanced technology. You gotta invest to get this technology. May I also remind you that when the longbow was at its peak, the primitive musket cam out. The musket was inaccurate, highly unreliable, and heavy. The longbow was better in every way. Now the firearm is the standard. What if people said "oh the longbow is better, why continue with the musket?"
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>>4630147 I like nuclear, don't get me wrong. But but it's going to be a hard sell. I tried to talk to a nuclear engineer about Japan, thorium, etc. but apparently it's come down that they're to stay quiet.
I'll have to see if my Navy contacts know anything.
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Its a Civic Duty PoPPiN DaT !VTECw.XH8s Sun 01 May 2011 11:14:00 No. 4630176 Report Quoted By:
>>4630147 Thorium supposedly has all the benefits of Uranium production with none of the drawbacks. But Big Uranium (French Nuclear Companies, Governments who want it for weapons production, etc) is trying to bury it.
>>4630133 You just derped all over your keyboard. I have a feeling China is leading solar energy BECAUSE they know its best for their country in the long term and fund it heavily.
Also,
>>implying we're Europe and the Middle East is a boatride away >>4630128 Honestly I think it just needs more effort. Thorium Nuclear Energy, Geo-Thermal, Wave, and Wind Energy can take off once the costs of production match Fossil Fuel production. Not to mention at least algae biodiesel is fairly new. Coal liquefaction isn't, I'm surprised no one talks about it in America considering we're the Saudi Arabia of coal. And I blame the corn lobby, fuck ethanol.
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>>4630157 I think the crash in 08 was due to more things than oil, but lets not get into that.
>>4630151 You made me laugh, and I agree with you btw. I think we would get along. Also, Im not the guy your arguing with
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Let us also not forget that gasoline didn't jump onto the market because it was amazing shit and just took off on its own will as an industry, as many capitalists and companies would have you believe...gasoline was HIGHLY subsidized and pushed by the US government here in the US, and it's the only reason it became the dominant fuel. If we did the same for hydrogen, wind, solar, nuclear, whatever, within 5 years I assure you it would be competitive.
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>>4630151 social justiceWelcome to glorious Union of Socialist American States! Here, everyone is equal(ly miserable)!
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>>4630186 I detect severe decay within the minds of these liberals.
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>>4630187 >implying my ME degree isn't being funded by the government >implying subsidized PROFESSIONAL degrees are a bad thing admittedly we need drastic welfare reform, but there's so, so many changes we need that jackasses on both sides of the fence constantly fuck up by slipping in stupid bullshit.
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Internet"Not at home"Express !wf5JJ352J. Sun 01 May 2011 11:19:00 No. 4630202 Report OR EVERYBODY COULD TAKE THE TRAIN TO WORK' and deal with it
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>>4630173 Of course, the stigmata is what really kills it. Also, the fear of terrorism. But the reactors would be guarded (more jobs btw), so if someone tried to bomb it, it would be difficult. I say if anyone wanted to bomb us seriously, they would, regardless of a nuclear reactor presiding there or not. also the earth quake really tore a new one, because unlike a bomb (which would be ineffective on a reactor which has feet of steel and concrete) it fucked with the foundation, something a reactor was not prepared to deal with. Terrorists cannot cause pinpoint earthquakes..i think
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>>4630186 Hydrogen's not a fuel. It is energy storage. You have to make it out of water, and the very most efficient method of producing it on an industrial scale requires 1.2 kilowatts of electricity to manufacture 1 kilowatt of hydrogen.
Then you have to compress it, which takes more energy.
Leaving alone the fact that we have no infrastructure to make, transport, store, or sell it, or that it has to be stored onboard the car in a gigantic heavy pressurized container that won't create a house-sized explosion the first time you get rear-ended...
You might as well just make electric cars, since it'd be more efficient and we already have a nationwide infrastructure to transport electricity from place to place.
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>>4630157 It also seems that the pump prices don't drop as quickly with oil dropping as the go up with oil going up.
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>>4630157 I don't care if they drill or not frankly. But if they're not allowed to take more leases they can't drill, and we can't take their money.
I'm aware of speculation's affect on the market. An investor on a board I frequent said a great many problems could be solved if we required that a person speculating be able to take delivery.
Remember when Standard & Poor "threatened" to lower the US's bond rating right before easter? Why would a company that manages stock indices throw the market in to chaos? Because brokers make money buying *and* selling. So the dip and the subsequent rally made a great deal of money for the wall street faggots. S&P would never cook the golden goose.
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>>4630202 Surprisingly, for me taking the train to work and school would cost me more than the gas to drive my car there and back every day I need to so long as I avoid the highway. And that's with a 14 mile trip each way in a Jeep that gets literally 14 miles a gallon. Fucking witchcraft, it is.
Public transportation isn't the end all be all of solving fuel crisises
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>>4630202 >take the train >US population density 33.7/km2, 179th lowest in the world >Sounds totally practical Robots&Racecars !Q4mJE0tSXg
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>>4630208 Supposedly when the price of gas spikes up like it does nowadays gas stations actually make very little to almost no profit, and sometimes sell at a loss. They make their money back when the prices start sliding down to cover the losses of sharp increases.
That being said goddammit futures trading has to fucking stop jesus christ
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>>4630208 >Oil is pumped >Oil is refined >Refinery product is sold to companies >Companies add their additive packages >product is shipped across the country >lands in the pump I'm not sure how long the process takes from beginning to end, tbh. But I do know that there have been several times that Chicagoland has taken it in the ass because winter additives weren't available, or shipped late or some such bullshit. In any case, there's far more to the price of gas than the price of oil.
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>>4630187 Social justice is a human duty. If you think its ok to mistreat people, theist or atheist etc., you have got a screw loose or a traumatic childhood/life. You could be a product of your environment, something that could have been avoided with social justice.
haha see the vicious circle? funny, eh?
In this thread, I have supported nuclear, but I feel the answer will come from all sorts of sources. Wind especially solar, and maybe even biodiesel, if perfected. We need a new infrastructure that can use all these sources, a smart grid. But we have to start preparing now, not when oil runs out.
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>>4630208 Yeah, that's just old-fashioned price gouging.
Gas stations DO have to buy their gas weeks or months in advance, so if the price drops, it shouldn't kick in for a bit. Doesn't stop them from jacking the price at the pump up every time the market price goes up, even though they paid a lower price for it when they actually bought it.
>>4630210 I was surprised anybody gave a shit when S&P did that, since they were the same guys giving great ratings to all those toxic mortgage bundles right before they blew up the world economy. Whether or not you believe they were bribed to do so, why they have ANY credibility anymore baffles me.
Yeah, if people were required to actually take delivery of the oil they were 'buying,' the price of oil would be under $100 in about two weeks. And whole lot of pension funds, which idiotically allow their parasitic managers to keep pumping billions into oil futures, would be completely wiped out. Just like they were in 2008.
Breaks my heart.
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So if the United States removes all of the drilling bans from our land and seas, and announces we will also build many more refineries in the USA (which we haven't in years), what happens? SPECULATORS SPECULATE OIL PRICE WILL DROP. OIL PRICES DROP. TADAAAAAAAAA!
>Social justice is a human duty. stopped reading right there.
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>>4630225 True dat. I wouldn't mind, if it were made efficient, safe, and somewhat comfortable ( im not talking leather seats, but plastic chairs that are semi ergonomic would suffice). But we would need more public support for contraception. We cant have this population growth. No one likes it.
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>>4630245 That is not how bubbles work.
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>>4630245 You know very well that wouldn't happen. If speculators speculated prices would drop with increase demand, we'd have the lowest price of oil and gasoline in the last decade. Have you been reading the thread? There's more oil being sold than being purchased right now.
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>>4630239 Some companies like the airlines need to hedge with oil futures though, so forcing them to take delivery of crude oil would be bad. Some sort of regulation would be good though.
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>>4630207 You are retarded on a level I can't even comprehend. Honda already has a hydrogen vehicle on the road. Toyota is bringing one to market by 2015. The same claims of explosion were made against gasoline cars when they first came out; that seems to have worked itself out.
As for infrastructure, what part of "it needs to be funded" don't you understand? Gasoline/petro infrastructure, as I said, didn't materialize instantaneously due to it's innate bad-assness. It was subsidized and pushed. The same thing would be required.
As for cost, most of that has to do with the fact that the technology is horribly unrefined due to a lack of research. It all comes back to funding. And water was being split with renewable energy, it wouldn't matter if it was energy-negative, because it would still be carbon-neutral. Gasoline is also energy-negative when looked at as an overall process, but we still use it.
Battery-powered electric cars aren't as clean as they need to be, not to mention the fact that they cannot be refueled to full in the space of 3 minutes as a HFC vehicle can.
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>>4630231 I'm sure at least part of it that after $4 a gallon gas for a few months $3 a gallon starts to look cheap. It is stupid for a business not to increase their profit margins when it won't cause a negative impact on sales.
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>>4630258 Goddamn I hate this country so much sometimes.
We need a world war to put an end to this shit.
Who wants to play the evil enemy? We need someone to slap America's collective shit so it's head snaps back on right; someone actually credible unlike say Bin-Laden.
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>>4630271 >need a world war ...
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>>4630251 You are an asshole. Someday you will realize it, and the world will be better for it. Mistreating others unjustly is not O.K. I don't mean go volunteer, I jsut mean that if you are asked to vote on legislation that will protect human life or improve the living conditions of your fellow American you should probably do it. Now I don't mean if you have the choice to keep a cancer patient alive for 10 million dollars, then do it. Thats just selfish, even the cancer patient should decline to that. I just mean legislation that will help people have better lives, like those in impoverished areas, by improving education etc. you probably should. We should take care of each other, not just say fuck it. Cause thats not cool man. Despite our differences, we are bros.
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>>4630254 Ummmm, not sure what you're saying. I'm saying the population, specifically the density, is too low in the USA for public transportation to be efficient at all.
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>>4630265 >knows nothing It comes down to physics. You cannot crack hydrogen at even 1:1 efficiency.
And I said EXPLOSION-PROOF containers are heavy as fuck. Which they are.
And, if you claim to care about carbon emissions, think about what building and installing a nationwide hydrogen-distribution network, cracking plants, etc would entail -- melting the millions of tons of steel to do all that, ALONE, would be the single greatest pollutive act we could do since the nuclear tests.
Might as well just build electric cars. We can get electricity anywhere in the country anywhere.
>>4630258 Agreed. But, of course, hedging against increasing oil prices by dumping money into oil futures makes the problem WORSE. I hate Wall Street.
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>>4630280 You need to calibrate your reality sensor.
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>>4630265 Hydrogen and electric cars in the US are effectively coal powered. They're worse polluters and bigger greenhouse gas emitters than gasoline cars. To top it off they are generally poorer performers too.
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>>4630282 Sure it is, I live in Houston, it feels really dense. IDK about Ohio, but maybe we should put the transportation into big cities like mine. Our light rail only goes in between the medical center. I hate traffic. I would appreciate it if it were done right and not half assed.
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>>4630279 Really we just need a massive shock to get everyone's head out of their asses.
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>>4630271 This outburst was caused by me saying some companies need to buy oil futures? I don't get it, that seems totally logical to me. Airlines need to stay in business. Air travel is pretty important today wouldn't you agree? Fuel expense is a huge problem for airlines, so hedging with oil futures can help them out.
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>>4630296 You know you're proving his point right?
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>>4630280 First off, thats the first post I made to you.
>improve the living conditions Second, I am not responsible for the living conditions of anyone that is not my family. You aren't responsible for me anymore than I'm responsible for you. You can "ask" me for charity however you cannot hold a gun to my head for money nor can you have your uncle Sam do it for you. If you think otherwise go fuck yourself.
>Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Thus the beneficiaries are spared the shame and danger that their acts would otherwise involve... But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them and gives it to the other persons to whom it doesn't belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish that law without delay ... No legal plunder; this is the principle of justice, peace, order, stability, harmony and logic. — Bastiat lol i trol u !!8m+H51rfpNO
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>>4630328 I think he was referring to the situation, not you.
It is pretty infuriating to know that airlines, for example, have to trade oil futures, making oil prices rise, in order to hope to try to keep ahead of the price rises that everyone else trading oil futures causes.
Lol fiat currency.
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>>4630296 If only you had posted a chart that shows the subsidies to the military for weapons, oil, natural gas, corn, and junk food like mickey d's. That chart would destroy the one you posted. Dont give me your gay shit. You cant post the cost of something and say "OHOHOHOHOH LOOK SO EXPENSIVE LOL," while not comparing it to the cost of the issue at hand. Im sure the facts would explain my point and the issue. I'd say even more to education and technology. Pay teachers better, get more teachers, get more students, lower cost of college, but more students. Balance. Overall smarter population = good. You need to re-calibrate your debating skills
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>>4630328 Most airlines are horribly mismanaged... an argument for another day.
Seriously I just can't believe the incredibly retarded things that keep some entire industries afloat.
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>>4630337 Not really, given that everything that has been done "with the best intentions" has only served to increase the cost of education while leaving the performance more or less static.
>>4630352 see above
also, military spending is stable at ~4% of gdp since decades ago. Stop letting presidents start wars, fix entitlements, and stop fucking up education and we'll spend less while getting better quality.
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>>4630302 >>4630291 >Pulling things out his ass You can't crack anything at 1:1 efficiency, something will always be lost as heat. I know this. However you clearly haven't done any real reading on the subject or else you would know that current-gen cryo tanks are lighter and stronger than ever. Look up performance on the FCX Clarity, or Toyota's experimental hydrogen RAV-4 which did 500+ miles on a fillup. And this is without public funding.
You're thinking very short-term, which is the problem with all energy politics. An investment of dollars and carbon now would significantly decrease costs in the future. The coal/production issue was already mentioned, although I feel I should point out that increasing our natural gas output would solve our hydrogen problem in a much cleaner manner than coal. Ideally, use renewable as I've already stated.
Or better yet, find what everyone is looking for and create a system in which hydrogen is bonded to metals for storage rather than as a compressed gas, and then solve all your problems at once (transport, safety, weight, etc.).
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>>4630371 I know it's not the real problem anymore but I'm gonna go ahead and just blame all this on the unions.
Honestly I can't even take a guess at what would need to happen to unfuck the US education landscape.