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MadFaggot !!Q11PG81nz2n Thu 01 Dec 2011 11:41:00 No.4087907 View View Reply Original Report

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Amazing developments in the field of habitation on dry land:

http://www.terminalu.com/travel-news/worlds-tallest-broadcasting-tower-tokyo-sky-tree-to-open-observ
ation-decks-in-may/20250/

Benefits of living on the land:
- No need to withstand 9001 JiggaPascals of pressure
- Plenty of free land available. Literally tons of entire continent-sized areas that are largely uninhabited
- The Sahara desert can be terraformed for less effort than living at the bottom of the fucking sea
- No risk of drowning in your living room

Gee, with all these benefits, who WOULDN'T want to live the rest of their lives on this majestic and safe dry land?

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Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 04:31:00 No.4090388 Report

Quoted By: >>4090418

>Provoking "seabros"

You do realise that mad scientist is a mentally ill graphic designer, right?

This is like tormenting a quad amputee cat with a stick. Stop being cruel.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 04:40:00 No.4090418 Report

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>>4089869
>It's not even worth mentioning when you propose they REPRESENT A LIFESTYLE THAT HUMANITY IN GENERAL CAN ADOPT.

Oh, I see the misunderstanding. I never actually proposed that this would be a lifestyle suited for humanity in general. I've actually said very clearly and very many times that it's a niche lifestyle that will be enjoyed by probably no more than a few hundred.

>>4090382

Semantics, you understand what I meant.

>>4090388

I'm actually neither of those things. But you're the same guy you're replying to, so whatever.

>You seabros are FAGGOTS. Why aren't you all living in the ocean?

It's 2011. The colonies haven't been built yet. Why are you so mean? I'm actually open to being friends with you, same as anyone else, but you seem needlessly and joyfully cruel. Are you just deliberately a horrible person? Is that who you want to be for your entire life? :-\

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Neckbeardbro Fri 02 Dec 2011 04:41:00 No.4090424 Report

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Amazing developments in the field of habitation in your parent's basement:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/10/21/new-world-or-warcraft-expansion-on-the-way.asp
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Benefits of living in your parent's basement:
- No need to withstand 9001 JiggaPascals of peer pressure
- Plenty of free space available. Literally a whole room is available for you to set up your gaming battle station/cheetos eatery
- The old bed can be transformed into a cheap couch for when that one friend of yours might visit
- No risk of having to exert yourself

Gee, with all these benefits, who WOULDN'T want to live the rest of their lives in their parent's basement?

Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 04:46:00 No.4090442 Report

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>>4090424

What have I done to make you angry? Obviously you hate me for some reason. I don't recall ever having been unkind to you. If I was, please tell me about it. Jog my memory and if I was in the wrong which is entirely possible I'll apologize sincerely for it. There's no good reason to keep being hostile like this. It's unpleasant for everyone and destroys the atmosphere of open and interesting discussion on /sci/.

If your beef is that you would prefer I post about other things, I would be happy to. I often do make those threads without my trip since people have come to associate it with oceanic technology threads. If you'd like me to stop posting altogether I'd much rather simply post about other topics and without a trip; it would be functionally indiscernible from my absence except that I would continue adding worthwhile content to the board.

What are your grievances, what can I do to atone for them, and how can we get along more harmoniously and productively in the future? Is there any way we can simply coexist and both enjoy this board such that you don't feel compelled to behave this way?

Fri 02 Dec 2011 04:46:00 No.4090444 Report

Quoted By: >>4090469

this isn't science..

these 'landbros' and 'seabros' need to go to /diy/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 04:50:00 No.4090456 Report

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>>4090418
> Why are you so mean?

Why are the seabros so fucking delusional?

And stop with the vaporware. Undersea living technology has been pervasive since the 1960s. Like commune living, it always ALWAYS turns out to be unsustainable. FADS are not TRENDS.

So just shut the fuck up and START DIGGIN' IN YOUR WALLET FOR HUGE AMOUNTS OF CASH. You're gonna need that cashola for your seabro-esque project. I'm not stopping you, pal. JUST FUCKING DO IT.

(Of course, you won't. You need to rob people via taxes or investment or something like that, to get the real money together so that you will benefit. That's all you're doing here; lookin' for suckers.)

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Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 04:53:00 No.4090467 Report

Quoted By: >>4090501

Amazing developments in the field of physics:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/02/why_do_physicists_think_they_a.php

Biologists confirmed for:
-Morons
-Faggots
-Studying a subject that isn't hard or rigorous
-Cannot into math

Gee, with all these reasons, who WOULDN'T call biology a soft science?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 04:54:00 No.4090469 Report

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>>4090444
> these 'landbros' and 'seabros' need to go to /con/

FIXED. 4chan needs a new board for con artists looking to scam money from people for their private fantasies. That's what being a seabro is all about. And ultimately that's what being a spacebro is all about. BOTH are con jobs to get money from the majority so that a minority can take the next step in living in a fantasy world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 04:54:00 No.4090473 Report

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seabros = autists

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 04:56:00 No.4090486 Report

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>>4090456
>Why are the seabros so fucking delusional?

See, that's a horribly mean thing to say. I don't think I am, and I don't think others like me are. You appear to have completely misunderstood what I am actually promoting and you've filled in the gaps in that incomplete understanding with your own assumptions, like that I am suggesting humanity in general should live in the sea.

I am not. I am suggesting a small niche exists for perhaps a few hundred total to live in the sea. Enthusiasts with the money to make it happen.

>So just shut the fuck up and START DIGGIN' IN YOUR WALLET FOR HUGE AMOUNTS OF CASH. You're gonna need that cashola for your seabro-esque project. I'm not stopping you, pal. JUST FUCKING DO IT.

I don't need to, we're fully funded. Multiple crew members are millionaires and we have sponsorships from scuba and submersible companies. That's where the money is coming from. You seem to have this extreme ADHD where you believe that because it hasn't already happened it's proof that it isn't ever going to happen when in fact it's in the process of happening right now.

>Of course, you won't. You need to rob people via taxes or investment or something like that, to get the real money together so that you will benefit. That's all you're doing here; lookin' for suckers.)

Investment is theft? That's news to me. Our major benefactors aren't being suckered into anything. They know exactly what they are getting. Most are avid scuba enthusiasts and simply want very badly to realize the science fiction fantasy of an actual underwater community so that there's someplace people like them can live that out. That's why I say it's a niche thing and not something for humanity in general.

Why? Why are you being like this? We don't even seem to disagree on the particulars, you just seem pointlessly insulting and hostile. :(

Neckbeardbro

Neckbeardbro Fri 02 Dec 2011 04:59:00 No.4090500 Report

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>>4090442

>What have I done to make you angry?

Actually nothing, I was just screwing around. I have nothing against you really and I think an undersea colony could be pretty swell.

Fri 02 Dec 2011 04:59:00 No.4090501 Report

Quoted By: >>4090518

>>4090467
>criticizing biostatistics
>physicists repeat neutrino experiments with same equipment, get same results, claim it means anything
>physics cannot into pseudoreplication

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:00:00 No.4090503 Report

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>>4090486
He is. Literally the only reason he is here is to scream and be as obnoxious as possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:01:00 No.4090509 Report

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>>4090486
>I don't think I am

Isn't that like proof of your delusional state?

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:01:00 No.4090511 Report

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>>4090500

Please, please stop it. It's incredibly unpleasant. I really enjoy posting here. I enjoy the comradery of likeminded regulars who show up for the various threads. It's something that brings a lot of happiness for me and when you drop into those threads and foul them up with such incredible intense ugliness and hatred it hurts. It ruins my day. It's something I like a lot and care about and you're making it impossible for me to enjoy it. Please please stop. If there's anything in particular I can change about how or when I post that would appease you such that you'd stop doing this I am receptive to making those changes.

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Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:03:00 No.4090518 Report

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>>4090501
>he thinks biostats can accurately depict biological systems with 99.99% certainty of accuracy
>he thinks the neutrino experiments were repeated without tuning equipment and checking for false positives
>he thinks CERN would release garbage to the press if they didn't find anything
>he thinks that new discoveries in physics do not require insane testing before they are classified as 'real' to shatter experimental error
>implying biology does this

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:03:00 No.4090520 Report

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>>4090511
Check the names, Mad. That's not violent simian guy. As far as I can tell, Neckbeard only posted once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:04:00 No.4090522 Report

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>>4090486
you know damn well you and your seabros argue that there is some point to living underwater other than that its cool, and thats just so, completely retarded it's annoying to see people actually believe in it.

Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:06:00 No.4090530 Report

Quoted By: >>4090553

this cancer isn't even close to 'bro'.

stop this. you aren't in the industry accomplishing anything, mad scientist. you aren't involved in the production/fabrication of any of the material being used and tested. appreciation is nice, but you take it to another level arguing with people and starting threads every day to the point of the trolling present in this thread.

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!!JNVkU2/omZB Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:08:00 No.4090538 Report

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>>4090518
>tuning equipment
>still same equipment
>mentions false positives
>obviously doesn't understand pseudoreplication

>implying biostatistics can't provide 99% confidence
>obviously doesn't understand alpha's role in statistical analysis

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:13:00 No.4090553 Report

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>>4090522

There are factually many useful applications for a subsea living structure. But none that, by itself, justifies the expense. The argument is not that they are so incredibly useful that we'll inevitably all move into the ocean. obviously not. I never meant to convey that. I've only ever said that provided a group of enthusiasts builds such a structure in the first place, after that is done, there are things you can do with it that are useful and profitable which help cover the operational costs.

If you were just getting mad because you thought it was some attempt to misrepresent the potential of living undersea and oversell it that's understandable. But all of that is what you inferred, not what I actually said and not what I believe.

>>4090530

I'm actually trying to prevent trolling at the moment. I have no delusions of importance; that's another weird misconception I've had to address twice now. I don't think much of myself. I recognize full well I am a nobody. I am tremendously lucky to be a part of two wonderful and important programs organized by two excellent and visionary organizations and it was never my intention to posture as though I was a crucial member of either or as though I have the potential to accomplish anything important. My primary intention while here is to entertain and inform if you'll allow it.

Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:13:00 No.4090554 Report

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>>4090538
>thinking billion dollar equipment can just be replaced
>still thinks biostatistics can
>he argues babby's first statistics

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!!JNVkU2/omZB Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:15:00 No.4090560 Report

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>>4090554
>thinks expensive equipment magically generates true replicates
>still doesn't understand alpha, probably thinks it's always .05
>neonatal-tier statistics

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Anoncrap !ByQLzMzgn6 Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:17:00 No.4090568 Report

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>>4090511

Mad Scientist ... uahahahaha

Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:18:00 No.4090571 Report

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>>4090560
>implying i stated that
>implying the equipment isn't accurate
>doesn't know what a type I error is or how it correlates to this situation

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!!JNVkU2/omZB Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:23:00 No.4090585 Report

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>>4090571
>"accurately depict biological systems with 99.99% certainty of accuracy"
>Lower alpha means lower chance of false positives
>False negatives/beta irrelevant in this situation

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Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:23:00 No.4090586 Report

Quoted By: >>4090610 >>4090611

>that feel when Mad Sci will be on the Utah Mars Mission Simulation and an underwater expedition and people still think he's a nobody

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Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:29:00 No.4090606 Report

Quoted By: >>4090628

>>4090553
> The argument is not that they are so incredibly useful that we'll inevitably all move into the ocean. obviously not. I never meant to convey that.

OK, there will always be niches and fads and other sorts of things. But what you're proposing still doesn't have longevity. There is no long-term underwater society. The costs and problems of living underwater fully relegate such living to corporate side effects, when they must provide such living conditions for workers in specific instances.

In other words, if you want to have a sea village, you have to locate a CORPORATE NEED for some underwater economic activity. Otherwise there's no point. Hobbyists are notoriously fickle. And no commune ANYWHERE has ever survived. That's the failed model that you're seemingly basing your hopes on.

Let's go over that again: MAKE MONEY FIRST, then contrive ways within that money maker to create your undersea society.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:31:00 No.4090610 Report

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>>4090586

I am a nobody. I am really excited to take part in both of those but I don't feel that I deserve to. I'm just going to do my best to offer as much utility as possible. I happen to have a robust understanding of the specific type of electrical system used by the MDRS and the simsuits by virtue of having built electric vehicles of various kinds as a hobby and small business for several years, and similar hobby projects like the diving helmet and algae bioreactor got my foot in the door for the undersea colony project. I don't have a degree in anything related to marine science or spaceflight and while most of the others don't either they at least have tangentially related degrees like medicine and agricultural engineering.

I mean I am not going to turn down either opportunity, that would be nuts, but it doesn't hurt to maintain an appropriate degree of humility and understanding of where you rank next to other crew members in terms of applicable experience. Just going to be as helpful as I possibly can, write a lot about both experiences and try to bring as much to the table as I am capable of. :I

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Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:31:00 No.4090611 Report

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>>4090586

None of those things are long-term residential sea living.

Isn't it past your bedtime, little boy?

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:39:00 No.4090628 Report

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>>4090606
>OK, there will always be niches and fads and other sorts of things. But what you're proposing still doesn't have longevity. There is no long-term underwater society. The costs and problems of living underwater fully relegate such living to corporate side effects, when they must provide such living conditions for workers in specific instances.

Actually, while I respect your opinion, I think it's mistaken. I can see why you might take that view as someone new to the topic, but there's a lot you don't know, especially developments in materials and technology that make this project possible to accomplish and sustain today. I realize you will react with hostiliy to the suggestion that you are not already an expert on the subject but please read the books "Living and Working in the Sea by Ian Koblick, "Ocean Outpost" by Erik Seedhouse and "Undersea Colonies" by Dennis Chamberland, in that order. It nicely brings one up to speed on how it was done in the past, what has changed, and how it can be done better and more cheaply.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:42:00 No.4090638 Report

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>In other words, if you want to have a sea village, you have to locate a CORPORATE NEED for some underwater economic activity. Otherwise there's no point. Hobbyists are notoriously fickle. And no commune ANYWHERE has ever survived. That's the failed model that you're seemingly basing your hopes on.

What you seem to be asserting is that initial investment can build the community but you need an ongoing business activity to sustain it. That is correct and has already been planned for from the start. As I have said many times we already have the funding to build it and are moving forward with the project. There is an independent project moving forward to put an already constructed tidal turbine in the gulf stream. We will be buying power from them which ENORMOUSLY reduces the operational costs of supplying things like air and fresh water to the habitat, and modules of the colony will be set aside as hotel rooms, restaurants and science labs for lease. Plans are already in place and have been from day 1 for how to sustain the colony financially. Again you seem to feel you are an expert, even as an outsider not privy to the details and not interested in learning about them, but Dennis knows what he's doing.

>Let's go over that again: MAKE MONEY FIRST, then contrive ways within that money maker to create your undersea society.

That's already taken care of. We already have the money to construct it. Stage 1 is about 85% complete already. And it's not as if we need to pay for it to be built over and over. Once it is built, it is built. That is a one time expense. It can then be used in many different ways to recoup that investment even though its primary purpose is simply to exist, be awesome and delight the people who worked hard to make it a reality.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:45:00 No.4090648 Report

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You really seem to have waltzed in out of nowhere and started lecturing people who have put a lot more time into studying the matter than you have in how to accomplish these things while at the same time viciously insulting them and their dreams. Please imagine how you look to someone who is on the receiving end of your arrogance and abuse. There is much you don't know on the topic, be willing to admit that, willing to read about it and concede that perhaps you aren't an authority on the matter and it's not your place to go around shouting people down and presuming to tell them how to do these things or when/how they can/should be done. In some cases you're stating things already obvious and included in the plans and in other cases you're presenting things as damning facts which in fact are common misconceptions. Just cool it, stop acting like a bigshot, and be willing to learn from other people instead of presuming to force your own opinions on them when in many cases those opinions are based on incomplete knowledge.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 05:57:00 No.4090688 Report

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In order to back up my assertion that there are things you don't know about the design and operation of subsea living structures which have caused you to take as fact opinions which are in actuality misconceptions I'll now give a brief history of how subsea habitats have evolved towards simplicity and cheapness by gradually eliminating one overhead expense after another.

The earliest habitats were extremely involved because we simply hadn't done it before and didn't know any better way; Diogenes, or Conshelf 1, was the first true ambient pressure habitat and had a fully crewed support barge overhead which had to run gasoline generators 24/7.

That model evolved slightly when it occurred to habitat engineers that if you used an autonomous overhead buoy to run the generators and air compressors you could eliminate the expense of having a support barge onsite all the time, and by putting a large bank of air cylinders just outside the habitat you could run the air compressors only occasionally to top up the air supply instead of running them all the time, which wasted gasoline.

So the biggest expenses at that point didn't include the construction of the habitat so much as providing electricity and oxygen. That remains the case for Aquarius. One expense it still hasn't eliminated is that of Sodasorb; A CO2 absorbant powder that has to be used in large quantities and each container lasts only around 8-10 hours before it has to be swapped for a fresh one. Aquarius also still uses gas powered generators on the buoy and consumes thousands of dollars worth of gasoline to provide power and air for the habitat.

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Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 06:07:00 No.4090719 Report

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>>4090628
> It nicely brings one up to speed on how it was done in the past, what has changed, and how it can be done better and more cheaply.It nicely brings one up to speed on how it was done in the past, what has changed, and how it can be done better and more cheaply.

Oh, I'm plenty up to speed on scams and vaporware. The point is, materials technology keeps advancing and yet nobody forms an undersea society. Since our Petroleum Inheritance is now almost over, tech advancements will stall out, forever. So that's IT for the seabros.

Like I said, if you have the advantage, then stop blowing your horn here AND JUST DO IT. But you can't do it, can you? No, you need lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of other people's MONEY to do it... which makes the situation nothing other than the way that IT'S ALWAYS BEEN: Uneconomic.

I must repeat in other words: I'm nowhere in your SUPPLY CHAIN. Nothing you want has anything to do with me. So I'm not the problem here. JUST DO IT and stop wasting time con(vi)n(c)ing somebody like me that somehow we're wrong. THE ONUS IS ON YOU, SO GET TO WORK. (Don't forget to bring PILES OF CASH.)

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 06:07:00 No.4090721 Report

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You solve the sodasorb problem with new, reusable CO2 removal powders. Made from salt, sugar, alcohol and water they are cheaper by far than baralyme or any other CO2 absorbant and most importantly it's reusable, over and over, so it is a one time expense and not a recurring one:

http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2011/09/edible-carbon-dioxide-sponge.html

The power/air problem is solved even more simply; You just need to have a potent source of power out in the open ocean. Not a generator that consumes enormous amounts of gasoline which is rapidly increasing in price, but something renewable. That exists now in the form of the gulf stream turbine and OTEC. Without them a project like this would not be economically possible. You could not make enough money to keep the thing running. Aquarius, for instance, houses only six and yet costs tens of thousands of dollars for a 14 day mission. Less than space exploration but beyond the means of a civilian organization.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 06:08:00 No.4090724 Report

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The secret to living in the ocean is that it contains everything you need to survive on-site. From the ocean currents or thermal gradient you can generate ample electricity. From electricity you can make heat and light, regulate pressure/humidity and recharge vehicles. From electricity and ocean water, you can produce oxygen to replenish the air, hydrogen fuel for long range undersea travel and potent portable energy, and fresh drinking water by recombining some of the oxgyen and hydrogen.

So you see, it's more sensible than it first appears. It employs the same in-situ resource utilization principles as a bade on Mars but instead of having to endlessly process soil and ice for water, air and so on, you simply process the surrounding water. Add to that the fact that you're also surrounded by food, uninterrupted renewable energy sources and minerals and it's self evidently a good idea. Not for everyone, and not strictly for practical business reasons, but it can be done, it can be done in a way that is economically sustainable, and for some it will become a valid way of living.

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Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 06:11:00 No.4090728 Report

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>>4090638
> As I have said many times we already have the funding to build it and are moving forward with the project.

No you aren't. You're here flapping your fucking gums. Such huge and civil-eng projects really consume time from all participants. You should be ON SITE running tests and pulling lines or something. Instead, you're here on 4chan wasting time with all the rest of us.

Don't post again. Get out there AND FUCKING GET IT DONE. Because if you aren't out there workin' the project, you're only workin' our wallets, here.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 06:14:00 No.4090736 Report

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>>4090719

>Oh, I'm plenty up to speed on scams and vaporware.

No, you're not. I know for a fact that you're new to the topic because many of your arguments betray a lack of knowledge about the subject. Very basic, beginner level stuff.

>The point is, materials technology keeps advancing and yet nobody forms an undersea society.

That is an invalid point because in fact someone IS forming an undersea society. I am a crew member with that very organization. My existence is proof that you're wrong about this.

>Since our Petroleum Inheritance is now almost over, tech advancements will stall out, forever. So that's IT for the seabros.

This is completely false in general and especially with regards to oceanic colonies. We won't be using oil. Our power will come from a massive tidal turbine. Our vehicles are all battery electric. No part of our survival there requires oil. It used to, when compressor buoys ran on gasoline, but that's something we've done away with and part of why it's now a lot cheaper to sustain human life underwater.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 06:16:00 No.4090740 Report

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>Like I said, if you have the advantage, then stop blowing your horn here AND JUST DO IT. But you can't do it, can you? No, you need lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of other people's MONEY to do it... which makes the situation nothing other than the way that IT'S ALWAYS BEEN: Uneconomic.

That makes no sense. Every project requires money. When you want to get something big done, you seek out investors. That doesn't mean it's somehow invalid or pointless, or all of Capitalism would be fraudulent. The fact that it can't be done from the ground up by a single person with no investors doesn't say anything about its feasibility, that's just a stupid argument.

>I must repeat in other words: I'm nowhere in your SUPPLY CHAIN. Nothing you want has anything to do with me. So I'm not the problem here. JUST DO IT and stop wasting time con(vi)n(c)ing somebody like me that somehow we're wrong. THE ONUS IS ON YOU, SO GET TO WORK. (Don't forget to bring PILES OF CASH.)

It's happening now. I've said that three times. I cannot make it happen any faster. There is nothing I, personally, can go do to accelerate the effort. Telling me to GO DO IT is nonsensical. It IS being done. I am not the one constructing it, or funding it. Telling ME to go do something or find cash makes no sense because that's not my role in the project and we already have the cash. You're saying pointless, meaningless things.

>Don't post again.

Who are you to order me around? I'll post if I want to. Stop taking on airs. You are nobody with any sort of authority over me, period.

>Get out there AND FUCKING GET IT DONE. Because if you aren't out there workin' the project, you're only workin' our wallets, here.

See above. Not my role in the project, everything that needs doing is being done, and we already have funding. I am only here to discuss a topic of mutual interest with other enthusiasts.

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Neckbeardbro Fri 02 Dec 2011 06:18:00 No.4090745 Report

Quoted By: >>4090755

>>4090511

>Please, please stop it. It's incredibly unpleasant. I really enjoy posting here.

Actually Mad Scientist, I was just following OP's post. It was more making fun of it than anything you do.

You are a bit crazy about the ocean to the point that I can understand why you annoy others. But usually /sci/ is shit and you've occasionally produced some okay topics.

The alien topic you made a few days back was pretty good and a nice break from the constant bickering of high schoolers about college majors they won't do anything with.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri 02 Dec 2011 06:21:00 No.4090755 Report

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>>4090745

>You are a bit crazy about the ocean to the point that I can understand why you annoy others.

So far it only seems to be one person. But I have been self conscious about that and made a concerted effort to diversify anyway.

>The alien topic you made a few days back was pretty good and a nice break

Weird, I thought I had my trip off for that. When I make non-ocean threads I usually go without the trip to avoid confusing people who associate me exclusively with ocean stuff. But then that might be why I appear singularly fixated on it. Maybe the right answer is to continue posting diverse threads but to keep the trip on so people know I am into more than just the one topic.

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Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 11:18:00 No.4091778 Report

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This thread is delicious.
It's like one of those bizarro-opposite-day-meta-threads on /tg/!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 11:31:00 No.4091804 Report

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I don't personally think we will ever need to live under water, sadly every now and then a catastrophe kills millions and millions plus many occidental countries have huge demographic problems. People make less kids than before, some chose not to make at all so before we become paranoid about lacking space on land we should consider these issues that have direct effect on economy and society.

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Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 11:34:00 No.4091812 Report

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How about a compromise? We live on the SURFACE of the ocean, instead of trying to live on the bottom for some silly reason.

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Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 11:34:00 No.4091814 Report

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>>4090740

Just want you to know I enjoy having you around, Mad. You're a good time.

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Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 11:36:00 No.4091815 Report

Quoted By: >>4091825

>>4091812

>living underwater
>beautiful expansive landscape filled with life everywhere
>living on the surface
>WOW IT'S FUCKING NOTHING

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 11:40:00 No.4091825 Report

Quoted By: >>4091836

>>4091815
Anywhere that the water is ACTUALLY clear and brightly-lit (i.e. shallow) enough to experience such a beautiful view would be visible from the surface anyways. In reality, if you put your colony anywhere but the Caribbean, you'll probably look out the window and see nothing but darkness or murky water.

Not to mention, the ridiculous pressure pretty much guarantees your windows will be nothing but tiny portholes anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2011 11:44:00 No.4091836 Report

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>>4091825
> the ridiculous pressure
Most colonies will be at about 300 feet deep, which is below the average 200 feet boundary of weather effectations, while still not being so 'heavy' in pressure as to not allow 1atm construction.
In short, you can have whole lounges with giant windows and be fine, though the reinforcement and and strength of the window material will need to be pretty damn good.

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