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[1279871568] Inception general.

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Okay, I've just come back from watching Inception, and I gotta say, it was very, very good. I mean, it wasn't every bit as awesome as some say it is (i.e. IMDb, who ranked it as the third best movie of all time) but it's still pretty awesome. I mean, it's a good sci-fi picture, one of the best I've seen, in fact, or at least one of the ones I've enjoyed most, albeit full of plot holes.

Let's discuss some of those here, shall we? Spoilers ahoy, so back off if you haven't watched it.

Most of the holes, if not all of them, arise in the last 10-20 minutes of the film. Fischer dies inside the British guy's dream, so Ariadne and Cobb go into another dream layer, Cobb's memory of Limbo. Now, why the hell would Fischer be here, if he just died? Wouldn't he enter Limbo? And if so, wouldn't the only way to save him be for Cobb and/or Ariadne or somebody else entirely die, walk into the Limbo fully knowing that it's not reality, convincing Fischer the same, killing themselves and exit the limbo? There's no reason why they should find Fischer trapped in the fourth layer of the dream, Cobbs dream.

Then, even if that did make sense, if they killed themselves in the fourth layer, they wouldn't wake up, the kick doesn't need to be given in the layer of the dream you're in, it needs to be given one layer above. They would enter Limbo. There is an explanation for this, however. Fischer never actually died, he was just unconscious, but why would he suddenly wake up? That makes no sense. Furthermore, the only way for Cobb and Ariadne to exit the dream would to wait for the sedative to expire, or for someone on a higher plane to give them a kick, brought by the explosive, thus giving both Ariadne and Cobb a kick and brought to a higher place, and this would have to be in perfect synchrony with the kick brought by the elevator shaft hitting the floor/roof of the hotel. That way, the explosion wouldn't kill the others and bring them to limbo, but actually bring them to a higher plane. Then, everybody in the snow fort would have to be brought to the first layer of the dream, the van, but Cobb wasn't brought back.

There's a possible explanation for this, but that's just pretending the hole's not there in the first place and giving a far-fetched explanation. Cobb was, in fact, brought to the first layer of the dream, along with everybody else, but he pretended to still be asleep so that he would enter Limbo and be able to rescue Saito. All right, I suppose, that's reasonable, to reach this conclusion, we would have to assume that:

A) Fischer never actually died and suddenly woke up, not injured.
B) The Fischer in the fourth dream layer was a projection created by Cobb for some strange reason, maybe to fool Ariadne into killing herself.
C) Ariadne never actually hits the ground when she throws herself off the building in the fourth layer but is awoken by the kick given by the blast of the explosives the British guy set one layer above.
D) The blast did not kill any of them because the elevator shaft gave them the kick and awoke them before the blast took their lives.
E) This was all coincidentally in perfect synchrony with the van hitting the lake.
F) Cobb pretended not to be awake and killed himself so that he may enter limbo.

Okay, let's just go crazy and assume all this for a second. It all makes (somewhat) perfect sense. Let's assume that both Cobb and Saito entered the same Limbo and that Cobb was able to bring him back. When they both wake up, 9 hours and 40 minutes have passed. Unless the plane managed to fly at ten times the speed of sound, there's no possible way for them to be 20 minutes away from Los Angeles, they were supposed to spend 2 weeks on the first plain for them to be able to wake up without entering limbo. And yet, Cobb entered limbo only 5 hours into the first dream, which would be less than an hour in real life. What the fuck?

Okay, let's assume that both he and Saito waited 200 years before they were able to convince themselves that they were in an illusion and then killed themselves, how the hell did the guys on the first plain survive for two weeks?