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OP Wed 27 Apr 2011 06:10:00 No.14729261 View View Reply Original Report

Hey /tg/

I know you guys are incredibly critical when it comes to grading paint jobs, but frankly I need some (hopefully constructive) criticism outside of "pinning my thaints".

This is my very first attempt, it's a squad of imperial guardsmen. I'd really appreciate a comment or two on how to improve it, or if it looks good enough for the table.

Color looks a little faded so I apologize for that, it's my camera's fault, I assure you

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 06:19:00 No.14729325 Report

Quoted By: >>14729374

If those grey parts are unpainted, I will come to your house and slap your shit for an hour per exposed segment. If not, you did a pretty decent job of doing the grey portion. The white is fairly chunky, but doing white right is an exercise in frustration, so it's expecting a bit much to get it working on your first few attempts.

However I'm not a terribly great painter myself so rather than tossing you techniques to improve, I'm just pointing out my criticisms. That being said, the quality of the picture itself makes determining how well you did a little difficult.

OP Wed 27 Apr 2011 06:19:00 No.14729326 Report

Quoted By: >>14729374

bump

OP Wed 27 Apr 2011 06:19:00 No.14729345 Report

Quoted By: >>14729374

bump?

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OP Wed 27 Apr 2011 06:22:00 No.14729374 Report

Quoted By: >>14730750

>>14729345
>>14729326
Oh damn you slow internet

>>14729325
Nah, the grey parts are painted, I promise!
And yeah, white seems to feel real thick even if I thin my paints. Thanks for the comment, kinda reassuring to know I don't completely suck!

Here's my tank and stand-in for Marbo, the only other things I've painted

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 06:23:00 No.14729387 Report

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Go to youtube.

Google painting tips

Follow.

Practice.

Repeat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 06:24:00 No.14729397 Report

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Looks decently clean, so now it's time for outlining (dark or black lines between stuff) and shading/highlighting.

Though IMO they're not gonna look like IG without at least somewhat proper lasguns. There's also something very odd about the leader's head, but I suspect that's just a shitastic sculpt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 08:31:00 No.14729410 Report

Quoted By: >>14729490

use devlan mud or babad black for washes and your model would look better
try out on one before put them on all models.

OP Wed 27 Apr 2011 08:41:00 No.14729490 Report

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Thread is still going? Huh

>>14729410

What effect would that have exactly? Just like, a nice shading effect?

SMAP

SMAP Wed 27 Apr 2011 08:48:00 No.14729559 Report

Quoted By: >>14729605

Hard to tell without a closer view, but a couple things:

Looks pretty neat, so no complaints there, and you aren't globbing paint on; that's good. However, the plain white on the troopers looks really bland- this is why actual white is rarely used as a color, instead usually a darker shade is used so that you can highlight the tops with white and shade it the recesses. You might be able to pull off a wash to give it some depth, but it'll be tricky.

I'm assuming your bases are still undone. If you're going for a snow theme, color me unconvinced.

Upper bodies look okay from what I can see, but you could probably use some details to break up the overall look- squad numbers or markings on the shoulder, whatever.

Your paint scheme looks okay overall, but it's definitely going to come off as bland, even if you do it well. White and grey on a white base is just... not very flashy colors. If you're okay with that it can work, but...

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OP Wed 27 Apr 2011 08:53:00 No.14729605 Report

Quoted By: >>14729807

>>14729559

Yikes well uh, I agree on the whole making the chest a bit more interesting.

But yeah, it was supposed to be a sort of snow/urban outfit kinda deal...

To make the trenchcoats more interesting, well... from this picture from the site you can see they have a sort of outline around the edges. You figure a bit of astronomican grey would give it a bit more flare?

SMAP

SMAP Wed 27 Apr 2011 09:12:00 No.14729807 Report

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>>14729605
I think so. I don't use the GW colors, so I don't recall which one Astronomicon is, but get the lightest grey you can find, lighten it a little by mixing 50/50 with white, and use that for your main color.

So your layers are gonna be : Astronomicon Grey (your "shaded: areas) -> 50/50 mix with White (the "main" color) -> highlight with White.

Obviously this is going to take longer than your current method, but it'll look a lot better.

"Lining" the edges and detailing some of the other features (the hem in the center, possibly the underside) would also go a long ways towards making it more interesting. If you don't want to spend the time the above three-color system would take, a very, very light wash could work.

(A wash is going to get into the folds, cracks, and other details of the model and darken them, giving the appearance of depth to the model with very little work. They are beautiful things and I strongly recommend getting at LEAST Devlan Mud and Badab Black washes to add to your palettes.

Don't take this all too harshly, you've done a lot of things right and they look really good for a first try. You didn't make any real mistakes per se, your color choices could just be a little better.

(Oh, another thing- if you're trying for an "ice" look, you're going to want some very light blues mixed in with white to highlight it. Ice, being a product of water, is not completely white and has a slight blue tint to it, especially when light passes through it. Some very, very light blues in the recesses of your "snow" with white over the top will look better. Also look up some of the tips on doing snow basing that can be found online- a lot of people have some good ideas for how to do it easily and well.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 09:22:00 No.14729917 Report

Quoted By: >>14730028

White is a very difficult color to paint. Starting with a very pale gray or pale tan basecoat first might help.

The gray looks good, but kinda flat. Maybe a wash to add some shading will help with that.

I'm not sure WTF is wrong with the squad leader, but his head just looks really weird.

Perhaps you should make the helmets slightly darker or even a different color than the gas masks.

The tank's tracks need to be a dark metallic or even grey/black color.

And the Marine sholderpad on the special character just looks a bit odd.

OP Wed 27 Apr 2011 09:35:00 No.14730028 Report

Quoted By: >>14730084

>>14729917

His nickname is Spoils, he's got a necron arm and a space marine shoulder pad. He's just supposed to be some manic scavenger who happens to stumble in and kill everything. So uh, that's why that's there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 09:39:00 No.14730084 Report

Quoted By: >>14730139

>>14730028
I think they mean the scowling garrison cap wearing fellow in the first picture.

OP Wed 27 Apr 2011 09:43:00 No.14730139 Report

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>>14730084

Oh, that guy. Yeah, it's just a bizarre head piece in all honesty. He's got a bandit mask and that hat so it's kinda weird.

Loch !!GzWmGH6V4eu

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Loch !!GzWmGH6V4eu Wed 27 Apr 2011 09:49:00 No.14730224 Report

Quoted By: >>14730794

Never ever ever ever paint pure flat white. White is for extreme highlighting and color gradients only. To paint white the correct way, start from grey and progressively mix white into it as you apply VERY THIN layers. These plague marines here I did in the pre-heresy color scheme? Each marine has anywhere between five and seven layers of color blending up to the final coat.

A wash of gryphonne sepia would probably shade those trenchcoats nicely.

Basing looks a bit odd. Generally, you want to have the base rim be a darker shade from the sand/flocking on top of the base. A grey or black border would make those bases pop a bit more.

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OP Wed 27 Apr 2011 10:26:00 No.14730697 Report

Quoted By: >>14730725 >>14730750 >>14731028

Alright, the comments on the bases and my own self doubt led me to fix them up. I think this actually looks much better, and I hope someone else thinks so as well... I also think it makes them stand out a bit more, I dunno.

Loch !!GzWmGH6V4eu

Loch !!GzWmGH6V4eu Wed 27 Apr 2011 10:29:00 No.14730725 Report

Quoted By: >>14730754

>>14730697
Bases look much better bro.

Now get cracking on the washes!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 10:30:00 No.14730750 Report

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>>14730697
>>14729374
>>14729261

Your paintjob sucks, you'll never get better.

OP Wed 27 Apr 2011 10:31:00 No.14730754 Report

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>>14730725

Will do! I appreciate the help everyone, you guys were pretty cordial and actually gave some pretty good advice. Hopefully these troops look much classier when I'm done with em'.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 10:33:00 No.14730794 Report

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>>14730224Each marine has anywhere between five and seven layers of color blending up to the final coat.

...but with all the noise in that pic we would be hard pressed to tell the difference if you had just slapped on some grey-tinted plaster of paris with a trowel instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 10:34:00 No.14730816 Report

Quoted By: >>14730866 >>14730948

Will GW even let you play in their stores with those parts?

But looks good OP, I'm not gonna lie, it's not great in terms of creativity or "pop", but it's a clean paint job, and that's what counts, you can move onto more ornate stuff when you improve.

Also FUCK YEAH GRADIANS, I really need to get myself more Guardsmen..also, if there are any Gradian players out there looking for a cheap decently painted valk, I'm selling one, 50$ including shipping, it was one of the first things I ever painted, and I want to get a new one to paint up all pro, still looks good though. e-mail me for pics if you're interested.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 10:41:00 No.14730866 Report

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>>14730816
Also I'd suggest maybe giving them a gold or silver trim on the armor plates edges.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 10:50:00 No.14730925 Report

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I dislike these models for painting. I mean, I love them for my extremely poor mans DKOK army, but for painting, they have too many wide open spaces of just, nothing. It's just plastic without details so if you don't get the paint looking GREAT bad things just pop out because you can't just wash it or something to hide. It's just in the middle of a big giant hunk of plastic

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 10:54:00 No.14730948 Report

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>>14730816

You can't play GW tournaments with em, but this guys just starting painting I don't think he has to worry about that. Most people don't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 11:03:00 No.14731028 Report

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>>14730697
Looking better.

But like others have said, adding a wash or two would improve these models by giving them a little bit of shading.

Perhaps Gryphone Sepia on the white trench coats and Badab Black on the grey armor and metallic weapons.

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