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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:32:00 No.14746119 View View Reply Original Report

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Hey /tg/ I picked this up for me and my friend, we were both interested in playing. Anyway, I made a character, I read the DM rulebook. (most of it anyway). And had a few questions I couldn't quite find answers to.

1. If a monster attacks a character, can they dodge, or have some chance to make a save?

2. What are the "Action Points" for?

3. When a character levels up, how does he or she dictate how and what to assign as his level up?

4. How do I assign rewards in the dungeon I make up? Or can I even just make up my own dungeon?

5. How can I find some players to join me and my friend?

6. Are there any adventures I can play myself, just as practice and such?

7. which die do I roll when I'm using a basic attack spell with a wizzard? I was using the d10, didn't think that was right.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:36:00 No.14746152 Report

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:39:00 No.14746184 Report

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:41:00 No.14746201 Report

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>1. If a monster attacks a character, can they dodge, or have some chance to make a save?
This is represented by the attack roll vs AC/reflex whatever. The defense number represents the attempt to dodge.

>2. What are the "Action Points" for?
They give the player an extra action.

>3. When a character levels up, how does he or she dictate how and what to assign as his level up?
I don't know what this means.

>4. How do I assign rewards in the dungeon I make up? Or can I even just make up my own dungeon?
I'm pretty sure there's a rewards by level thing in the DM book.

>6. Are there any adventures I can play myself, just as practice and such?
You can /rs/ some, but I doubt this would be that helpful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:42:00 No.14746214 Report

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1. The ability to dodge, block, parry, or avoid the attack is reflected by your character's AC or Ref defense. You can also ready an action to attempt to dodge something, where you would most likely make an acrobatics check.

2. Action points are used to take an extra action during your turn. It can be a standard action, move action, or some minor actions. You gain an action point after every milestone (two encounters). After you take a full rest your action points resent to 0.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:43:00 No.14746226 Report

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>1. If a monster attacks a character, can they dodge, or have some chance to make a save?

AC and the various other defenses (Reflex, fort, will) represents the character's efforts to avoid attacks. So no, there is no roll to dodge. Some attacks will force a saving throw, however. These will be noted in the attack

>2. What are the "Action Points" for?

You can spend an action point to do one of various things. Those things should be in the book

>3. When a character levels up, how does he or she dictate how and what to assign as his level up?

I don't remember everything, but it should be detailed in the class's entry as well as in a universal "leveling up" sort of section.

>Skipping some...

>7. which die do I roll when I'm using a basic attack spell with a wizzard? I was using the d10, didn't think that was right.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:43:00 No.14746228 Report

Quoted By: >>14746266

not sure if troll, but I'll try to help. I ahven't played 4th in a year and half, but here4s what I remember.
1. Your save if your AC, Will, Reflex, or Fortitude. Basically, roll the d20, add the monsters modifiers, and compare it directly to what the attack says it is going against. If higher than or equal to, successful, if less than, it missed.

2. Action points should be for using healing surges, getting an extra attack in an encounter, etc.The real book lists this in great detail.

3. Again, get the real books and it's explained better.

4. check google for random dungeon treasure generators. Check the books for example treasure in the DM guide. Helpful and informative are both of these.

5. Check your local book store, comic store and LGS, they can help you find someone. Also, check Wizards website, they should have some help there.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:47:00 No.14746266 Report

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>>14746228
6. There is a method of doing this by creating two adventures and you playing them and DM. Incredibly unfun, but allows you to test difficulty of traps, layout and combat effectiveness. Beyond that, not really

7. Basic attack spell? the list the dice you need. Each and every spell dictates how many of what type of dice you will need to cast said spell.

8. NPC should be controlled by you. I sometimes allow my group to play as a hired hand because, hey, I got other shit to keep track of than hired hand #37. If it's an important NPC, always you.

Hope I helped, and I hope not troll, just a newbie who actually cares to learn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:48:00 No.14746276 Report

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>>14746201
>This is represented by the attack roll vs AC/reflex whatever. The defense number represents the attempt to dodge.
Oh okay, after I made a succesful hit, my friend would try to dodge. And I knew this wasn't right.

>3. When a character levels up, how does he or she dictate how and what to assign as his level up?
.I don't know what this means.

Say when I level up a character, does it bring up his stats? If so, how do I dictate the stats I upgrade?

>If by NPC you mean a townsperson or a skeleton or a horse, yes, and you control them. If by NPC you mean "my PC," then yes, and you control them, and you are a bad DM, do not do this.

Well, since it was just me and my friend, I was trying to play while he was the DM, and he tried to bring in a character to help me out, which he controlled. I didn't think it was right.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:48:00 No.14746285 Report

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>>14746226
>I should note that I haven't read the Essentials starter set, so I don't know how complete it is. I assume it includes all the rules

It doesn't, all it has is a brief bit on how to make a fighter, cleric, wizard or rouge nd the DM's book mainly contains instruction just to run the adventure.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:53:00 No.14746330 Report

Quoted By: >>14746411 >>14746434

>>14746266
7. Basic attack spell? the list the dice you need. Each and every spell dictates how many of what type of dice you will need to cast said spell.

Well, how the fighter uses a sword and has like an 8+ attack modifier, saying I'm using a great sword and roll 1d10. Using a wizzard I'm just using "spell" and it didn't specify what die to roll for it. I was just using 1d10.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:53:00 No.14746332 Report

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>Say when I level up a character, does it bring up his stats? If so, how do I dictate the stats I upgrade?

Page 55 of Heroes of the Forgotten Kingdoms, plus the actual information on the class. As in, Page 55 tells you "gain one feat and one level 2 utility power" and you pick one feat from the feats section and one utility power from the level 2 list of that class, or whatever.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:54:00 No.14746339 Report

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>Using a wizzard I'm just using "spell" and it didn't specify what die to roll for it.

It didn't specify what die to roll for it because it doesn't exist.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:56:00 No.14746359 Report

Quoted By: >>14746371 >>14746443

>>14746332

How far can I go with this starter kit?
I haven't fully played the adventure in the DMs book, mainly because its just the two of us, and it called for more than just 1 player.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:57:00 No.14746371 Report

Quoted By: >>14746382 >>14746389

>>14746359
I'm pretty sure the starter kit is level 1 only.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:59:00 No.14746382 Report

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>>14746371
It goes on to level 2.

OP, look in the back of the DM book, it tells you what to do for level 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 08:59:00 No.14746389 Report

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>>14746371
Oh, well. That's disappointing.
Is there anything I can read to get a better grasp of the rules. Also, where should I go next? And is there anyway to just download it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:01:00 No.14746402 Report

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Also, your XP does NOT represent the Limit Gauge.

I'm not trolling, I had this situation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:01:00 No.14746408 Report

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>>14746389
/rs/ the PHB, it should have everything you need for players

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:01:00 No.14746411 Report

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>>14746330

It doesn't have a name at all? There should be a bunch of spells, it being a wizard and all.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:04:00 No.14746431 Report

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>>14746411
No, or is the spell the skills I have? I just thought it was some sort of basic attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:04:00 No.14746434 Report

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>>14746330

>Well, how the fighter uses a sword and has like an 8+ attack modifier, saying I'm using a great sword and roll 1d10. Using a wizzard I'm just using "spell" and it didn't specify what die to roll for it. I was just using 1d10.

Wha?

Ok, for ALL ATTACK ROLLS IN ALL VERSIONS ON D&D YOU USE A D20.

ALWAYS.

Moving on, you would roll in the instance of that fighter 1d20+8 attack bonus (say, +3 str, +4 BAB, +1 weapon to total the +8 bonus) and compare that result to the AC of what you are trying to hit. AC is broke down on the character sheets, but represents all things that would make you not be hit (dodge feat, armor you are wearing, natural armor, dexterity, deflection, magic buffs, etc.). In the case of hitting AC with a weapon or not "Ties go to the defender".

For the wizard, you would roll a d20 as need be (Area effect spells don't need an attack roll) and make a ranged touch attack for any ray like spells you would need to cast.

When you level you are told what you get for leveling in the class description. Usually extra bonus to saves, more BAB, and class specific abilities.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:04:00 No.14746443 Report

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>>14746359
I believe the starter kit only covers level 1-2.

Buy (or download from /rs/) some players handbooks or essentials books if you want to go further, as they will give you more accurate instructions on leveling, more character classes, builds, and races.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:06:00 No.14746466 Report

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>>14746434

Also, for the fighter damage, the longsword does 1d8+ str or 1.5 str (if wielded two handed). so if you landed the sword blow against your target, you would roll 1d8+3 in that example

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:09:00 No.14746493 Report

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God, only after you run into someone who doesn't know the system do you realize how horrible rules-heavy games are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:09:00 No.14746499 Report

Quoted By: >>14746630 >>14746887

>>14746411
Sorry for the confusion. What the book said (or I thought it said) was to attack a creature, you roll a d20, if your roll is higher than the creatures roll, you hit. Then, if your hit is succesful (say with a sword) you would roll 1d10 + your strength modifier.

And AoE spells don't have attack rolls? How so?

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:15:00 No.14746564 Report

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>What the book said (or I thought it said) was to attack a creature, you roll a d20, if your roll is higher than the creatures roll, you hit.

You roll a d20, add the total of your various modifiers and compare it to the defense that the power targets (AC, reflex, fortitude, or will), and if it's equal or higher it's a hit. There are no defensive rolls ever.

>And AoE spells don't have attack rolls?
No, this is wrong.

Anonymous

Part 1

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:18:00 No.14746607 Report

Quoted By: >>14746619 >>14746632

>1. If a monster attacks a character, can they dodge, or have some chance to make a save?
Yes and no. You cannot make a save to prevent an attack. As for dodging: AC is an abstract concept that factors in your ability to dodge in the form of your Dex or Int modifier (whichever is higher) being added to your AC.

>2. What are the "Action Points" for?
An action point is a resource that can be used once per encounter so long as you have one to spent. It grants you an extra standard action (which, in turn, can be turned into an extra move or minor action.)

>3. When a character levels up, how does he or she dictate how and what to assign as his level up?
in 4th edition, you level up your chosen class. In previous editions, you could multiclass, but with restrictions. This has been replaced with choosing feats to multiclass.

Anonymous

part 2

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:19:00 No.14746619 Report

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>>14746607
>4. How do I assign rewards in the dungeon I make up? Or can I even just make up my own dungeon?
Experience is determined by the Challenge Rating (CR) of the encounters you ran in a session. There are also guidelines for treasure in a similar matter, however treasure is entirely at your discretion.

You can, of course, make up your own dungeons. That's half the fun of DMing: creating your own scenarios. You can make your own settings if you wish.

>5. How can I find some players to join me and my friend?
Try to get your other friends interested, make a post at your local game shop or otherwise use the internet.

>6. Are there any adventures I can play myself, just as practice and such?
Not really. But I occasionally run a rough simulation of what the first round or so of an encounter should be like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:20:00 No.14746630 Report

Quoted By: >>14746662

>>14746499

>Sorry for the confusion. What the book said (or I thought it said) was to attack a creature, you roll a d20, if your roll is higher than the creatures roll, you hit. Then, if your hit is succesful (say with a sword) you would roll 1d10 + your strength modifier.

And AoE spells don't have attack rolls? How so?

Well, almost right. When you roll to attack, you roll to attack. Like I tried to explain before about AC, it is EVERYTHING TOTALED relating to not being hit, so you do not roll anything when you are attacked. The only roll necessary when attacking with a sword is the attack roll for the sword.

As for Area Effect spells not having attack rolls, this is because an attack roll represents your ability to hit a specific small (relatively speaking) target. Area effects, like a fireball, just say "Fuck that guy and everyone in 20 feet of him.". Because it covers 20' you don't have to worry about not hitting so no attack roll.

This is not instant kill however, as a fireball has a reflex save for half damage (of whatever you rolled on your xd6's). This can be further reduced by rogue like classes that have improved evasion, where a successful reflex save on a spell gives no damage to them.

Not every spell is the same however. In the players handbook/ spell compendium it it will list spells and what they do, what components it takes to cast them, what they look like, what their saves are, everything.

Any spell casted should be looked up in this way before hand, as there are literally over a thousand spells.

Anonymous

part 3

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:20:00 No.14746632 Report

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>>14746607
>>14746619
>7. which die do I roll when I'm using a basic attack spell with a wizard? I was using the d10, didn't think that was right.
It should inform you somewhere in the player's book, I believe. However, d10 does sound a bit high.

>8. Can I bring NPC into my dungeon? If so, who controls them?
Generally, the DM controls NPCs unless they are part of one of the PCs (summoned creatures, animal companions, familiars)

It is not advised for the DM to also be one of the adventurers, as the DMPC is a dreaded thing that often goes wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:22:00 No.14746662 Report

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>>14746630
stop answering these questions for 3rd edition you retarded cock look at the op

OP, ignore this guy, he is posting things that are 100% not relevant to your question.

Anonymous

part 4

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:26:00 No.14746715 Report

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Just a small bit of babbling from me: The Red box, from what I've seen of it, is a bit more like a boardgame to springboard you into playing D&D proper.

To play the Essentials version (what the redbox is based off of), you should look into getting Heroes of The Forgotten Kingdom and Heroes of The Fallen Land, as well as the Rules Compendium. All of which, if memory serves, are available on /rs/.

If you want to take some time to get to know the game, and maybe meet up with some people, look for your Local Game Store (LGS) and see if they run a D&D Encounters game. The "season" ends next week (which means people will be up against the "final boss"), so I'd recommend going the week after next when you'll be able to jump onto the adventure right when it starts.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:29:00 No.14746771 Report

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>>14746715
Thanks man!
I'd totally love to join these, if I wasn't afraid I'd embarass myself bombarding strange players questions about how to play correctly, and all sorts of other questions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:34:00 No.14746833 Report

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>bombarding strange players questions about how to play correctly, and all sorts of other questions.
This is the fastest way to learn and also a great asshole detector.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:38:00 No.14746887 Report

Quoted By: >>14747015

>>14746499
Not quite it. What you are rolling against is the creature's defenses, a static number with which you must meet or beat in order to hit with an ability.

The defenses are your Armor Class (AC), Fortitude, Reflex and Will.

Now I've actually pulled my red box off the shelf and the spell the Player's Book's little Choose Your Own Adventure explanation has you using either the Phantasmal Force spell: doing a d10+Your Int Mod damage, The Magic Missle spell, doing 2+Int Modifier damage, or Freezing Burst, which has you doing damage in an area burst 1 (see picture) and doing a d6 damage to each. You need to roll to hit each target hit against their reflex defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:46:00 No.14746972 Report

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>>14746771
Encounters is actually meant to be new player friendly, and most people wouldn't mind helping you along so long as you actually pay attention when you ask a question.

Only thing you'll really need to bring along is a set of dice, a piece of paper and a pencil, at least for the first game.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:50:00 No.14747015 Report

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>>14746887
And because I feel like going the extra mile here, I'm going to help you figure out how to calculate defenses.

Here is a section of a blank 4e character sheet. I'm going to fill this out with you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:53:00 No.14747047 Report

Quoted By: >>14747124

Also, are there any adventures just me and my friend can play?

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 09:57:00 No.14747089 Report

Quoted By: >>14747131 >>14747171

>>14747015
Now, you mentioned wanting to play a Wizard, so I'll go forward assuming that you want to be a Wizard. Going to disregard anything regarding races for the moment.

Using stats based off the 32 point buy, here is some stats that a wizard at first level might have before factoring in racial abilities. Any questions so far?

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 10:00:00 No.14747124 Report

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>>14747047
As in without a DM?
This is a good option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 10:00:00 No.14747131 Report

Quoted By: >>14747268 >>14747299

>>14747089
Oh I see. I have a less defined sheet. Not as detailed, atleast I don't think.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 10:02:00 No.14747171 Report

Quoted By: >>14747268

>>14747089
I'm already starting my next post assuming you've got no questions, so pressing on!

Now, by going off the notations at the top of each defense, it's easy to add it all up. You take the greater of each of the associated ability mod (str/con for Fort, dex/int for reflex and wis/cha for will.) Being a wizard also grants you +2 will defense.

Next, I'll do your final defense: Armor class.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 10:09:00 No.14747268 Report

Quoted By: >>14747299 >>14747367

>>14747131
What you most likely have is the Essentials character sheet. They're basically the same, but the non-essential's sheet does a bit better job of explaining the crunch.

>>14747171
So, as for calculating your AC, it's pretty easy for a Wizard. Unenchanted cloth armor offers nothing in the ways of protection, but also doesn't put a limit on how much armor you can gain from dexterity or intelligence. As you go up in armor classes, the bonus you can get from those stats reduces.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 10:12:00 No.14747299 Report

Quoted By: >>14747367

>>14747131
>>14747268
I assume this is what the sheet you're using looks like. This is the standard sheet for D&D Essentials. It's more or less the same thing, but with the more crunchy bits removed for aesthetic purposes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 10:18:00 No.14747367 Report

Quoted By: >>14747430 >>14747458

>>14747299
Yeah, that's the one!
>>14747268
Ohhh, I see. So my dex and int dictates my armor class as a Wizzard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 10:22:00 No.14747430 Report

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>>14747367
>dexterity or intelligence
>dexterity or intelligence
>dexterity or intelligence

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2011 10:25:00 No.14747458 Report

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>>14747367
Dex OR Int modifier, whichever is highest, and this is how it works for every class. Also, since I feel that this might be a point of confusion, do you need clarification on how to find your modifier for your base 6 stats?

And here is a typed out clarification of AC.
AC=
Ten
+Your Level/2 (rounding down)
+Armor
+Dex OR Int mod (as limited by armor.)
+Feat Bonus
+Enhancement Bonus (generally gained through magic items or buffs)
+Misc bonuses

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