Anonymous
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INB4 most the answers are subtly wrong.
galvanicAutogenitor !!lh2+0hXHAN0
Wow, thread's off to a great start. Okay, time for a few hypotheticals: Experiment Kraj has placed a +1/+1 counter on Dominating Licid. What happens when Kraj activates the ability it's "borrowing" from the Licid?
MTG guy
>>14747332 Experiment Kraj becomes an Aura Enchantment with Enchant Creature. It becomes attached to a creature and Kraj's controller gains control of that creature.
It keeps it's other printed abilities.
galvanicAutogenitor !!lh2+0hXHAN0
>>14747468 Correct, printed AND the abilities it has stolen. The only ability it loses is the one granted by Dominating Licid.
MTG guy
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>>14747477 I figured that was implied since one of it's printed abilities is to have other abilities.
Anonymous
please explain the rules related to bouncing oblivion ring when it comes in play, causing its "leaves the battlefield" effect to not trigger, thus allowing you to O ring all your opponents shit without them getting it back
galvanicAutogenitor !!lh2+0hXHAN0
>>14747518 Well, it's not that it "doesn't trigger".
You cast O-Ring. It has no targets yet, and resolves. It enters the battlefield, triggers, and you pick a target. With that trigger on the stack, you bounce it. This puts the LTB trigger ABOVE that, bringing back what O-Ring has exiled. It hasn't exiled anything yet, though, so nothing happens. THEN the ETB effect resolves, exiling the targeted permanent forever, since the only effect that would bring it back has already come and gone. Repeat until you run out of bounce.
Anonymous
>>14747543 why does the bounce effect resolve before the ETB effect resolves? if that's the case then wouldn't the bounce effect resolve after the LTB triggers?
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>>14747648 Because the stack is Last In, First Out. With the ETB effect still on the stack, waiting to resolve, you cast a bounce spell, or activate a bouncing effect. That goes on top
Bounce
ETB
Then, bounce resolves, and puts the LTB on the stack
LTB
ETB
THEN, the LTB resolves, while the ETB has been sitting there waiting the whole time. After that, the ETB trigger will resolve. Do you need some more help understanding the Stack?
MTG guy
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>>14747648 The ETB trigger goes on the stack, while it's still on the stack you, in response, bounce it back to your hand.
The bounce goes on the stack on top of the ETB trigger and resolves first, this causes the LTB effect to trigger and go on the stack on top of the ETB trigger.
The LTB trigger resolves then finally the ETB trigger resolves.
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All right, let me think of another one... Jack casts Glacial Ray with Evermind spliced onto it, targeting Joe's Silver Knight. Is this a legal play? If so, why? If not, why not?
Anonymous
FYI, kraj can't as a licid aura doesn't do anything besides not be a creature. this is because the oracle rules text has the aura ability be built into the card. this is to avoid some odd interactions. for example, with untap tricks, stinging licid and leeching licid could be used to deal double the damage.
Anonymous
>>14747848 Glacial Ray is still red, I believe. That can't target Silver Knight.
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>>14747850 {1}{U}{U}, {T}: Dominating Licid loses this ability and becomes an Aura enchantment with enchant creature. Attach it to target creature. You may pay {U} to end this effect.
What about that means Kraj can't work? You activate the ability, and it loses the ability and becomes an Aura. Explain to me how the Oracle text suggests that it's "built into the card" any more than any other option?
Anonymous
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>>14747884 >8/1/2005 If Evermind is in your hand, you can use its Splice onto Arcane ability. The splice ability copies characteristic-defining abilities. This means that the text "Evermind is blue" is copied onto the Arcane spell, making it blue. Whoops I'm retarded.
Anonymous
>>14747900 you agreed with
>>14747468 who stated that the control magic text is part of the activated ability.
that is what i was refering to being wrong.
MTG guy
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>>14747848 Yes Glacial Ray would gain all of Evermind's abilities making it a blue card.
Anonymous
can the oblivion ring trick work the same way with glimmerpoint stag?
Anonymous
MTG guy
>>14748013 Only if you find some way to give Glimmerpoint Stag flash, O ring has to leave the battlefield before its ETB trigger resolves.
Anonymous
Say I want to use Reroute on Simic Guildmage's first ability, the one that moves a +1/+1 counter from target creature onto another target creature. would Reroute let me choose the giver and the receiver? Or one or the other?
Anonymous
>>14748013 No, the exiled card returns to play at eot, regardless of weather or not glimmerpoint stag is still around. This trick does work with journey to nowhere, or any card worded in a similar way.
MTG guy
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>>14748043 Unless either player has a way to remove one of those cards from play the game ends in a draw due to an infinite loop of mandatory actions.
Anonymous
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>>14748043 you has tied the game.
Transcendence sees some life loss, and tries to make some life gain. Rain of Gore sees that life gain, and turns it into life loss. then...Transcendence sees some life loss, and tries to make some life gain. Rain of Gore sees that life gain, and turns it into life loss. then...Transcendence sees some life loss, and tries to make some life gain. Rain of Gore sees that life gain, and turns it into life loss. then...Transcendence sees some life loss, and tries to make some life gain. Rain of Gore sees that life gain, and turns it into life loss. then...
and the game can't progress, so it's a draw.
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>>14747943 Still not understanding. When you activate the ability, it becomes a Control Magic type-aura, and loses the ability to BECOME one. I don't understand why you think that means it won't take anything, other than "you agreed with that guy". Please, explain.
>>14748013 Exactly the same, yes.
>>14748043 Transcendence is triggered, Rain of Gore is a replacement. Let's say you take 2 damage, losing 2 life. Then, Transcendence triggers and you gain 4 which Rain of Gore replaces with lose 4, triggering Transcendence to gain you 8, which is replaced with lose 8, which gains you 16, which is replaced with lose 16... infinite loop. Unless you can break it by destroying one of the two enchantments, it's an infinite loop, and the game is a draw.
MTG guy
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>>14748058 Reroute can only target abilities with a single target, Simic Guildmage's ability has two targets and thus isn;t a legal target.
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>>14748051 >>14748013 >>14748066 >>14748104 Yeah, my bad. It won't work with Stag, because the Stag creates a delayed trigger, it doesn't have an ETB and LTB trigger both. My bad, I assumed wrong.
>>14748058 Neither. The ability has two targets, and is not a legal target for Reroute.
Anonymous
>>14748104 no, it just becomes an enchantment-aura with enchant creature.
the "You control enchanted creature" is not the result of an activated ability.
Oracle text
1UU, Tap: Dominating Licid loses this ability and becomes an Aura enchantment with enchant creature. Attach it to target creature. You may pay U to end this effect.
You control enchanted creature.
As you can see the "You control enchanted creature" is separate from the tap ability.
and I assume you understand that Kraj only copies activated abilities and not static ones.
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>>14748142 Shitfuck, you're right, my bad. It is a separate thing, I copy-pasted it wrong thinking it was all one line. Kraj will become an Aura, but that's all that'll happen, you're right.
Fuck I hate when I miss something trivial. It makes me seem stupid, and then people question all my answers.
Anonymous
>>14748142 >>14748170 Then following that it should lose the, you may pay {U} end this effect.
Anonymous
>>14748170 well, if it helps, that's the only error I have found, and it is from something tricky with the original text being a bit different then the oracle.
I blame MaRo.
galvanicAutogenitor !!lh2+0hXHAN0
>>14748199 Actually, no, that's just a constant thing. A special action, like Morph, it won't lose that [it just became a thing you could do upon activating the Licid ability. I think.]
It's my fault for picking Licids. They're a rules nightmare at times.
Anonymous
>>14748201 only error i've ever found
>14748134 >My bad, I assumed wrong. two wrong answers in one thread so far
galvanicAutogenitor !!lh2+0hXHAN0
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>>14748225 Yeah, because you've never made a mistake in your life. Sue me, I'm human. At least I owned up to it.
MTG guy
>>14748215 Seems as thought you forgot about the glacial ray question.
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>>14748239 Forgot to address it, yeah. It is a legal play; you splice stuff before you choose targets, so by the time you pick targets, the Glacial Ray has Evermind's text that makes it blue, so Silver Knight is a legal target.
Anonymous
Here's an idea: Level Up is a shit mechanic because it's Sorcery speed. It would be broken if it was Instant but it would have greater play value if it did. It works with proliferate but as far as creativity is concerned your options are pretty boring. If you have the mana open to Level Up and you don't, you're clearly holding a trick. This gives your opponent all the information he needs to make a decision that is worst for you. Even if you don't have a trick, you just wasted your mana and they're still going to make the decision that is worst for you.
Anonymous
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>>14748273 but it isn't clear what trick you have in hand, and there are plenty of constructed playable levelers.
Anonymous
Lets say you have 5 mana on the board, one of them being a celestial colonnade. Can you tap that mana to animate colonnade into a creature, even though you just tapped him for mana?
Anonymous
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>>14748273 I agree, level up was a good idea stinted by really low power dudes (for the most part) and limited dramatically by the non instant part. But what does this have to do with anything?
Anonymous
>>14748319 yes, you can, but you better have some free untap effects in order to not make it a lesson in tapping out for nothing.
MTG guy
Anonymous
>>14748335 So I couldn't swing with it if I did that?
Anonymous
>>14748347 you tapped it for mana.
changing it into a creature doesn't untap it.
Hence Koth and similar effects explicitly untapping lands that they turn into creatures.
Anonymous
>>14748347 Can you attack with a tapped creature?
Anonymous
>>14748363 So the fact that he has vigilance doesn't play into that at all?
MTG guy
>>14748376 Tapped creatures can't be declared as attacks.
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>>14748371 Nope.
>>14748376 Nope.
All that Vigilance means is "This creature does not tap when it attacks". It doesn't mean it can attack while tapped.
Anonymous
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>>14748390 Alright cool, thanks for the help guys.
Anonymous
I tried to unmake a reassembling skeleton after my friend sacrificed it, and in response he sacrificed it we were both unsure. Legit or not?
Anonymous
Can a judge give me a game loss while I have a Platinum Angel in play?
Anonymous
you've got, say, a benalish trapper or icy manipulator or something. At what point is it too late to tap attacking creatures? When they are declared?
MTG guy
>>14748478 You can't unmake a sacrificed creature, its not on the battlefield any more.
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>>14748478 Sacrificed it to what? If it was something that sad "Sacrifice a creature : EFFECT", you couldn't have used the Unmake; saccing it was a cost, and by the time you could respond with Unmake, it would already be dead.
>>14748488 Yes.
>>14748493 Yep. Your very last chance to tap them is the Beginning of Combat Step. Note that if your opponent just jumps into attacking, you can say "Hey, hold on, back up to Beginning of Combat" since they have to pass priority to move to a new phase.
Anonymous
>>14748548 >>14748549 as in, in response to him announcing that he sacrificed it
Anonymous
>>14748549 >101.1. Whenever a card's text directly contradicts these rules, the card takes precedence. The card overrides only the rule that applies to that specific situation. The only exception is that a player can concede the game at any time (see rule 104.3a). I would like a rules reference that states you can receive a game loss with Platinum Angel in play.
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>>14748570 Again, as long as he was sacrificing it as a cost, you can't do it in response. You can't do ANYTHING without priority; to get priority, first he has to activate his ability, by announcing the ability, and paying all costs and choosing targets. By the time he's passed priority to you, the ability is already on the stack, and costs are paid, including the Skeleton being sacced. You can't do it 'in response' because you can't respond to costs being paid.
MTG guy
>>14748570 That still doesn't tell us anything, was he sacrificing it as part of a cost, such as Bloodthrone Vampire's ability or part of a resolution such as Small Pox's third ability.
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>>14748595 Because the card is only contradicting the Comprehensive Rules. The MTR and IPG take even higher precedent than that, trumping cards themselves.
A Game Loss ends the current game immediately and the player who committed the infraction is considered to have lost the game for the purpose of match reporting. The player receiving a Game Loss chooses whether to play or draw, if applicable, in the next game of that match. If a Game Loss is issued before the match begins, neither player in that match may use sideboards (if the tournament uses them) for the first game they play.
Anonymous
>>14748596 so, if something must tap as part of it's cost, I can't tap it in response to that cost being paid?
Anonymous
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>>14748639 That'd be like buying something, but spending the money on something else while handing the money over
ground vialson
Anonymous
galvanicAutogenitor !!lh2+0hXHAN0
>>14748639 Correct, because you don't have priority.
Magic is not a game of reflexes. There's a system called Priority, which tells you when you can and can't do shit. You can only do things when you have priority, and only one player at a time has priority. If your opponent is paying costs for something, like a spell or ability, HE has priority, and you can't do anything yet. He'll put the ability on the stack, pay all costs, choose all targets, and THEN pass priority, at which point you can respond. However, his creature is already tapped as payment, so you can't tap it to 'stop' the ability.
Anonymous
>>14748615 yes, things such as bloodthrone vampire or the similar scrying vampire.
>>14748596 seems to be a comprehensive response. Still a little confused, but I guess from here I can do my own research
Does the situation change, for example, if he is sacrificing it as part of that 'each player sacrifices a non- vampire each turn' triggered ability?
Anonymous
>>14748681 so to remedy the situation, rather than doing everything in response, as we tend to do, we ought to do things first. That is, tap something first before it uses it's ability?
This confuses me though. Doesn't this imply the first to announce a particular ability will be the person able to pull it off or stop it succesfull. As in, he who temporally announced it first?
MTG guy
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>>14748686 Yes you could do it then because nothing gets sacrificed until the ability resolves so you have a chance to respond to it triggering.
Anonymous
I play have March of the Machines and a Chaos Orb enchanted with Followed Footsteps in play. Can I use a very large object as the token creature, thus ensuring I take out all my opponents stuff?
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>>14748672 I know it's a joke, but some people are actually SERIOUS about it.
>>14748686 Not really. See, for Anowon, the ability is put on the stack. Then, the active player [whoever's turn it is] gets priority, and they can add stuff to the stack. If they don't, the non-active player gets priority, and can do stuff. Once both players pass priority in a row, the topmost object resolves. He won't pick what he sacs until the ability is resolving, and NOBODY has priority as a spell or ability resolves. So, you won't be able to hit it with Unmake there either.
You can, however, Unmake his OTHER creature, forcing him to sac his Skeleton, if you want.
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>>14748710 Well, sorta. If you try to tap the thing first, that tapping spell or ability goes onto the stack. It doesn't just happen right away, they get a chance to respond; so, if you try to tap their creature 'preemptively', they can just tap it in response, meaning you wasted a spell. Best you can do is tap it during like, their upkeep, making them use it at an awkward moment.
>>14748713 No. You would have to use an actual physical card, of the same dimensions. Not that it matters, since it's banned for reasons like that, and dexterity issues.
MTG guy
>>14748713 Since Chaos Orb is illegal in all sanctioned events I'd say that falls under house rules.
Anonymous
>>14748748 >so, if you try to tap their creature 'preemptively', they can just tap it in response hang on, how come he can tap it response, but not me? Is it a matter of whose turn it is? If I unmake the skeleton before he announces he is sacrificing it, can he sacrifice it in response?
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>>14748785 >hang on, how come he can tap it response, but not me? Your spell or ability goes on the stack, targeting his thing. When the ability/spell resolves, it'll tap his creature. He can respond to this by tapping his creature as a cost for its own ability.
If he taps his creature, he's paying a cost, and by the time you have priority, the thing is already tapped. Get it?
>If I unmake the skeleton before he announces he is sacrificing it, can he sacrifice it in response? If you cast Unmake on the Skeleton while you have priority, you'll have to pass priority to him before Unmake can resolve. He can then sac his Skeleton to something, and Unmake will be countered on resolution due to no legal targets, yes.
Anonymous
>>14748785 because it is a cost that he wants to pay.
and you can't prevent a cost from being payed by doing something in response.
Anonymous
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>>14748825 >If he taps his creature, he's paying a cost, and by the time you have priority, the thing is already tapped. Get it? not entirely, but I can understand the differing priorities of abilities and spells
We have always treated them as having the same priority and it seems to have worked fine
are there any specific clauses that should clear this up for me (if nothing comes to mind don't fret, I will certainly look it up)
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Just gonna pre-empt a lot of questions here:
This article is a bit old, but it gets the job done explaining priority.
http://mtgsalvation.com/794-priority-and-the-stack.html It can answer a LOT of your questions. [Only things that I can think of that have changed since 2008 are damage no longer using the stack, no mana burn, and mana emptying at the end of each step AND phase, but those don't really matter here]
Anonymous
>>14748831 is this essentially similar to the way you cannot counter mana abilities?
galvanicAutogenitor !!lh2+0hXHAN0
>>14748907 Sorta. You can't counter mana abilities because they're never on the stack. They just resolve immediately. Any activated ability with no targets, that could produce mana when it resolves, and which is NOT a Loyalty ability [so both of Koth's abilities are not technically mana abilities, so they can be Stifled] is an activated mana ability. Any ability that triggers off of an activated mana ability is ALSO a mana ability, just a triggered one. Both kinds simply resolve immediately, they never go onto the stack.
Anonymous
Here's a fun one; where are emblems located?
Anonymous
>>14748748 Actually, since the dimensions of a card are not a copiable characteristic, the token has no physical dimensions. Not 9 by 6cm, not 0 by 0 and not "a pillow".
Anonymous
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>>14748785 You are terrible at Magic.
Lesson 1:
Costs are not Abilities
To play Lightning Bolt I have to pay it's COST.
Cost: 1 Red, the Lightning Bolt card in my hand
Ability/Spell: Three damage to target Creature or Player
I pay the Cost, the ABILITY (in this case a spell, this will make sense in a second) is placed on the Stack.
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>>14748935 True. But, like was said, it won't ever matter. It's a houserule thing, since it's banned in pretty much every format ever.
>>14748934 The Command Zone. Same as Schemes, Planes, and Commanders.
Anonymous
>>14748931 well then I understand, essentially.
Looks like I have to remove all manner in which my friend could sacrifice or otherwise destroy reassembling skeleton before I hit it with an unmake
galvanicAutogenitor !!lh2+0hXHAN0
>>14748959 Pretty much. But, he can just sacrifice it in response to you blowing up the sac outlet. With a situation like this, the best you can do is force him to sac it at an inopportune moment.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>14748983 that's fine, unless of course he only returns it to play when he is able to sacrifice it again, which is at the very least preventing him from performing long sacrifice chains
Anonymous
Totally oblivious motherfucker here~ I'm thinking about going to a friday night magic. How does that work? Do they give you a load of booster packs and you whip up something with those or do you bring your own deck or what?
Anonymous
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>>14748996 commander generally uses a secondary legality list.
Like, Standard, or Vintage.
So Chaos Orb doesn't need to be included two times.
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>>14748996 Which is an unsanctioned format. So, again, houserules apply. Personally I'd say use a real card, mostly out of fear that something larger would make cards fly off the table, or damage something. Like the table.
>>14749004 He could, actually, mana permitting. Let's say he has, oh, I don't know... Viscera Seer. During his upkeep, you cast Lightning Bolt on that Seer. He gets priority, and sacs the Skeleton. After that resolves, he activates Skeleton, bringing it back. The Lightning Bolt still hasn't resolved, so he can sac it and bring it back as many times as he has mana, but only right then. Once he lets the Bolt resolve, his Seer is gone.
Anonymous
I give my creature shroud on my opponents turn, tapping myself out. Does he have time to cast on my creature at the beginning of my turn before I get to untap and react?
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>>14749023 Call ahead. I think it can be Booster Draft, Sealed, Standard, Extended, or Legacy. Usually it'll be Draft or Standard.
Draft is when you get 3 packs, as does everyone else. You each open Pack 1, pick ONE card, and pass the rest to the left. Then, you pick a card from the pile passed to you, and pass it. Repeat until Pack 1 finished. Pack 2, same thing, but you pass right; pack 3, you pass left again. Then, they give you land and you build a deck out of what you picked.
For everything that's not Draft or Sealed, though, it's Constructed; you bring your own deck.
>>14749041 Nope. First thing you do during your turn is untap step; nobody has priority here. Next up is the Upkeep Step, where he can respond; by now, though, you have mana open.
Note that he can just respond to you giving the creature shroud on his turn, though.
Anonymous
>>14749023 Depends. Go to the store and ask the owner or whoever runs FNM. Find out the time it starts, the entry fee, and the format.
Different stores run different formats on different schedules.
Anonymous
>>14749034 yes, all I meant was that he was prevented from doing it at his disgression, and now as you said must perfom his chain within the resolution of the removal.
All I want to do is make sure I'm in a situation where I can appropriately unmake the skeleton, and get rid of the massive utility that thing grants
Anonymous
>>14749041 Untap, Upkeep, Draw.
(Repeat that to yourself a bunch of times till you memorise it by rote. It's a useful thing to remember since once you draw your card for the turn you've missed out on any optional upkeep triggers)
Players do not receive priority in the untap step. Assuming your opponent has a relevant ability, he can use it once you have passed priority in your upkeep. Your lands will be untapped, but you won't have drawn your card for the turn yet.
Anonymous
>>14749060 >>14749062 Another stupid question: If it's draft/sealed do you get to keep the cards you pick?
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>>14749071 >within the resolution Not quite. Once the spell starts resolving, nothing can happen until it's done. What you mean is with the spell on the stack. I know you understood the concept, just that certain words and phrases mean VERY certain things in Magic, and it's a bad idea to take liberties with them.
>>14749074 For god's sake, yes. Repeat this mantra until it's second nature to you. It's a common mix-up of "Do I draw, then untap?". Just repeat that, you'll learn quick.
Kreetn !TROLlvzGSU
part of my comment is not allowed to be posted, for some raisin.
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>>14749098 If it's sanctioned, yes. Some unsanctioned drafts do "re-draft", or "free draft", where the winners pick rares, or where you don't pay, but you don't keep the cards.
Sanctioned? You get what you pull, plus any prizes you win.
>>14749105 It is allowed. He's not activating anything. Counterbalance triggers when you cast a spell, at which point the active player [whoever's turn it is] gets priority. If it's you, you have to pass priority to him before the trigger resolves, so he can cast Brainstorm here. If he's active player, he gets priority as soon as Counterbalance's trigger is on the stack, and he can cast Brainstorm. He manipulates his deck's top cards, and then when Counterbalance's trigger resolves, he reveals and probably counters. It's commonly used with Sensei's Divining Top for a 'lock' called CounterTop in Legacy.
Second, he can't do it with Ponder. Ponder is a Sorcery.
Anonymous
>>14749071 If your opponent has an activated ability that has "Sacrifice a creature" as a cost (activated abilities are cost:effect), such as Viscera Seer, he can always respond to your spell by using his sacrifice ability.
Anonymous
>>14749101 I suppose 'before the resolution of the removal' would have been more accurate. But yes, you got what I meant.
I think it's one of those complications magic shouldn't have, distinguishing between the start and finish of a spells resolution, since they only ever happen together and are one event, whereas the 'within' I referred to was between the spell being played and the spell resolving
Anonymous
>>14749164 except that you can have choices on resolution, and the order in which things happen in a spell can matter.
Anonymous
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>>14749150 mm, yes, hence
>All I want to do is make sure I'm in a situation where I can appropriately unmake the skeleton which will no doubt involve the removal of all such creatures, enchantments, and so on that will allow him to sacrifice it as part of a cost.
Anonymous
>>14749189 >you can have choices on resolution when it starts or finishes? Or somewhere in the middle?
Anonymous
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>>14749202 well, the last thing that happens is that the ability or spell leaves the stack.
the first thing is that you read the first sentence, and follow the instructions, and then continue on until there is no more text to read.
You need to keep track of any replacement effects that might apply, and things like metalcraft on instants and sorceries often use self replacement effects.
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>>14749202 Finishes, usually. Things like Pox have you choose what you sac/discard as it resolves, in the order written. Other stuff, like the Command cycle, have MODES, which you choose on casting.
Start/middle/finish are kind of arbitrary definitions of timing during something's resolution, since almost nothing can happen until it's done. You usually just do what's written on the card, in the order written. So, for Pox, first you lose a third of your life, then you discard a third of your cards in hand, then you sac a third of your creatures, and then you sac a third of your lands, in that order.
Anonymous
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>>14749225 well, that's why I said the space between when a spell is played and when it resolves is important, not when a spell starts to resolve and when it finishes resolving
but hey, if there are exceptions or nuances, keep the distinction
Anonymous
Muse Vessel saying you can play a card you exile, do you still have to pay the mana cost?
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>>14750582 Yes. If something allows you to cast a spell for free, it'll say so, like with Cascade. Muse Vessel doesn't say otherwise, so you'll have to pay all costs to cast that spell.
Anonymous
>>14750602 Follow up question: If I were to say cast a spell that had a converted mana cost with an X (like let's say Banefire) from somewhere for free, would it do 0 damage unless I pumped mana into it? Or do I even get an option to pump mana into it?
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>>14750640 You don't even get the option. If you're not paying the mana cost, you can't choose a value for X other than 0. So, if you Cascade into a Banefire, X is 0.
Anonymous
>>14748043 HAhahahahahaha
At first glance, they've killed each other.
The white player has it worse. He doesn't win the game for having fuckloads of life, though I guess he could make it difficult for the black player to win, unless he has a mill deck I suppose.
Then you notice.
Nothing ever interrupts the stack. They're gone, because nothing can resolve; this effect is instantaneous so they infinitely stack. Both players play this scene.. FOREVER
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>>14750738 Not quite. Things resolve a lot; Transcendence triggers, and resolves, but Rain of Gore turns the life-gain into life loss, which triggers Transcendence again, repeating the process. They don't just pile up and 'never resolve', but the game does end in a draw unless someone can stop it by killing one enchantment or the other.
Also, dude, that post is from like 4 hours ago, and has been answered already.