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The goddamn batman

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 16:37:00 No.3072021 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>3072374 >>3072473 >>3074262

My modern d20 group has approached me with the wish to kick some superhero ass.

The first on the list is batman.

Since I don't know much about the character and don't care much, either, does anyone have d20 stats for batman I can use?

Within the perimeters of common sense would be dandy.

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Dagda !hTbo821v7U Thu 27 Nov 2008 16:42:00 No.3072025 Report

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I. . .
. . .He's BATMAN.
. . .
BATMAN.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 16:42:00 No.3072026 Report

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batman is unbeatable with preptime, otherwise he's a pussy who can be cracked in half by thugs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 16:44:00 No.3072030 Report

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Level 1 Fighter

Emo_Duck !ofC/MoKSRs

Emo_Duck !ofC/MoKSRs Thu 27 Nov 2008 16:44:00 No.3072033 Report

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I'm not very savvy on d20 Modern, but I think the challenge in fighting Batman might stem from things that aren't determined by stats.

I think he'd be above-average across the board, though. Peak physique, world's greatest detective by night, playboy billionaire by day, etc.

Skill-wise, lots of stealthiness, acrobatics stuff and information-gathering. Some general knowledge and computer skills would be apt, but I think he generally defers such specialised tasks to others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 16:53:00 No.3072042 Report

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If he finds out they're after him beforehand, they lose. Thats basically the point of Batman. Otherwise, he IS only human, although he is extremely resourceful and very well trained. Above average strength and agility, very high intelligence and possibly wisdom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 17:00:00 No.3072051 Report

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Well, 3.5 stats would work just as well. After all, it's all d20.

I don't know how the encounter itself will look. From what you tell me, prep time will make it obscenely hard, which is precisely what the group needs (we utilized a lot of optional stuff and custom content, they kick ass).

Emo_Duck !ofC/MoKSRs

Emo_Duck !ofC/MoKSRs Thu 27 Nov 2008 17:10:00 No.3072068 Report

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>>3072051

Well, what I would do is to sit down and imagine every possible situation the encounter could turn into - take time to prep, since your guys and Batman are both prepping themselves.

Maybe leave it up to the party's rolls to determine whether they can track him down first, or whether he manages to lure them into a trap. Can he get police assistance quickly? Do they end up fighting in a factory, and if so, are there appropriately placed cranes, conveyer belts, acid vats, etc. to utilise (for either side)? Since he's Batman, you're going to have to know just how to utilise the surroundings you put him in. :V

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 17:14:00 No.3072079 Report

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>>3072068
That is good advice, thank you.

nobody

nobody Thu 27 Nov 2008 17:20:00 No.3072085 Report

Quoted By: >>3072163 >>3072274

agree with most of the posts, a blindsided batman is in the deep guano while a bats that's ready for you will disassemble you bit by bit. best example of this i can think of is the dark knight books by miller. when bats rushes in to fight the joker at the carnival and the mutant leader at the junkyard, he barely makes it out alive, while in both books he hands superman's ass to him, simply because he's ready for him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 17:56:00 No.3072163 Report

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>>3072085
well put, also i would recommend taking a look at deathstroke for a good superhero/villain to fight.

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Gurobear !n1sWmE2mAA Thu 27 Nov 2008 18:49:00 No.3072274 Report

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>>3072085

He got pwned by Mutant Master because he overestimated his own brute strength and *deliberately* left himself without any backup plans. (On the other hand, he gives Dick a sound thrashing when things go tits-up at the end.)

Perhaps adding some way to taunt Batman into making a mistake would reflect this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 19:36:00 No.3072374 Report

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>>3072021
The only way to truly represent Batman's ability to prepare is to make shit up on the fly. The players manage to beat the shit out of him in an encounter where they were justb supposed to glimpse him? He collapses onto a trapdoor and escapes, now having gleaned valuable information about their tactics. They think they finally have him cornered? He was just stalling till the Justice League arrived.

The only way for the players to kill him is to either blow through dozens of back-up plans or to create their own labyrinthine plot.

Christmas Ape

Christmas Ape Thu 27 Nov 2008 19:47:00 No.3072397 Report

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>>3072374
>The only way for the players to kill him is to either blow through dozens of back-up plans or to create their own labyrinthine plot.
1. Injure Batman
2. Collect blood sample.
3. Begin process of elimination analysis.
4. Wrangle invitations to important Gotham event.
5. Calmly shoot Bruce Wayne in the face and flee in the confusion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 19:58:00 No.3072423 Report

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>>3072397
Even if there was some vast online database with everyone's DNA on it, Batman's wouldn't be.

Oh, and it's an impersonator.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:00:00 No.3072426 Report

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lets kill batman
lol so edgy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:01:00 No.3072428 Report

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>>3072374
>The only way to truly represent Batman's ability to prepare is to make shit up on the fly.

Agreed, best to assume he has umpteen backup plans and will escape no matter what, creating an explanation on the fly. Your players should be at most getting the extra rep for having survived an encounter with Batman without getting their asses kicked and incarcerated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:06:00 No.3072433 Report

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>>3072397

As soon as Bruce notices that your gun is loaded, he 'clumsily' falls over, tripping you in the process. In the screams and confusion your gun is lost. Within 24 hours your evidence has all disappeared, you have been completely discredited as a conspiracy nut, and Batman is observed by 500 witnesses (including agents from at least three federal agencies) beating your ass whilst Bruce Wayne is on live TV.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:08:00 No.3072445 Report

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Too bad you bought the gun from Matches Malone.

Christmas Ape

Christmas Ape Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:10:00 No.3072455 Report

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>>3072423
More in the "Batman is equipped with the GDP of a half-dozen small nations put together. There are only so many people in the world who are both obscenely wealthy and in fantastic shape. Begin collecting samples of these people for comparison".

I swear to god if a GM ever used "batman imposter" I'd punch him in the dick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:18:00 No.3072461 Report

Quoted By: >>3072479

Like all superheroes, Batman is powered by plot.

Which means he's unkillable as long as the players find pursuing him interesting, then somebody shoots what is basically a man in a funny costume in the vitals and he bleeds out like his parents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:19:00 No.3072468 Report

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>>3072455
>There are only so many people in the world who are both obscenely wealthy and in fantastic shape.

When I think obscenely wealthy, I don't think playboys, I think corporations. Hell, I'd assume Batman is some ex-special forces nut hired by Wayne Industries.

Oh, and Bruce Wayne isn't in fantastic shape. He's probbably chubby with all that fine living.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:19:00 No.3072473 Report

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>>3072021

Why are you starting with the impossible? At least work up to it with some more easy encounters, like superman or the flash or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:27:00 No.3072479 Report

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>>3072461

Batman's costume is bulletproof.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:32:00 No.3072493 Report

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>>3072473
Superman is a low-level encounter chump. They just have to do some snooping for Kryptonite (that crap has GOT to be common as FUCK since all of Supe's badguys have some) and make it into a bullet. ONE SHOT KILL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:33:00 No.3072496 Report

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>>3072479
BATNIPPLES

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:34:00 No.3072499 Report

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>>3072445
Do ho ho! I see what you did there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:35:00 No.3072501 Report

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>>3072479
d20 knows no absolute bullet proof armor.
Neither does the real world btw.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:35:00 No.3072503 Report

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Bruce Wayne, The Batman
Medium Humanoid
Wounds: 53 WP, 420 VP (30d8+180)
Initiative: +15
Speed: 40 ft.
AC: 32 (+16 defense, +6 Dex), touch 32, flat footed 26
Base Attack/Grapple: +30/+37
Attack: Unarmed strike +48 melee (2d10 + 18 /19-20) or batarang +40 ranged (1d4 + 7 /18-20)
Full Attack: Flurry of blows +48/+48/+48/+43/+38/+33 melee (2d10 + 18 /19-20)
Space/Reach: 5 ft. /5 ft.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:35:00 No.3072505 Report

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Special Attacks: Counterattack, detective, frightful presence (DC 33), stun (30/day DC 32)
Special Qualities: Damage reduction 10/adamantine, defensive roll, evasion, fire resistance 20, hide in plain sight, light fortification, martial artist, obsession
Saves: Fort +29, Ref +29, Will +30
Abilities: Str 24, Dex 23, Con 23, Int 25, Wis 24, Cha 26

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:36:00 No.3072507 Report

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Skills: Balance +43, Bluff +46, Climb +40, Computer Use +27, Concentration +21, Craft (chemical) +27, Craft (mechanical) +27, Craft (pharmaceutical) +27, Decipher Script +27, Diplomacy +36, Disable Device +27, Disguise +46 (+50 acting), Drive +21, Escape Artist +39, Forgery +27, Gamble +27, Gather Information +50, Handle Animal +28, Hide +39, Intimidate +50, Investigate +45, Jump +48, Knowledge (arcana) +27, Knowledge (behavioral sciences) +27, Knowledge (business) +27, Knowledge (civics) +27, Knowledge (current events) +27, Knowledge (earth and life science) +27, Knowledge (history) +27, Knowledge (physical science) +27, Knowledge (streetwise) +27, Knowledge (tactics) +45, Knowledge (technology) +27, Knowledge (theology) +27, Listen +45, Move Silently +39, Navigate +27, Open Lock +24, Pilot +21, Repair +27, Research +45, Search +27, Sense Motive +45, Sleight of Hand +25, Spot +27, Survival +27, Swim +22, Treat Injury +27, Tumble +43, Use Rope +21 (+25 bindings)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:36:00 No.3072508 Report

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Feats: Bounding Assault, Close-Quarters Fighting, Combat Expertise, Combat Reflexes, Cunning Evasion, Dodge, Endurance, Frightful Presence, Great Fortitude, Improved Critical (unarmed), Improved Disarm, Improved Feint, Improved Initiative, Improved Toughness, Improved Trip, Indomitable, Iron Will, Lightning Reflexes, Lunging Strike, Mobility, Power Attack, Roundabout Kick, Spring Attack, Stunning Fist, Track, Whirlwind Attack
Epic Feats: Epic Endurance, Epic Fortitude, Epic Reflexes, Epic Will, Superior Initiative
Climate/Terrain: Gotham City
Organization: Solitary (unique) or with cohort (Robin) or with JLA.
Challenge Rating: 30
Treasure: Equipment

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:37:00 No.3072515 Report

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Detective: Batman is a master of sizing up his opposition. He may make a Gather Information, Investigate or Research check against a DC equal to (10 + opponent's hit die + opponent's Int modifier + opponent's Wis modifier). If he is successful, he gains the following benefits.
+1 insight bonus to AC against attacks made by that opponent for every point by which he exceeds the DC.
+1 bonus to attack and damage against that opponent for every point by which he exceeds the DC.
+1 resistance bonus to saves against attacks made by that opponent for every point by which he exceeds the DC.
+1 competence bonus to initiative rolls against the opponent for every point by which he exceeds the DC.
In addition, for every 5 points by which he exceeds the DC, he may gain one of the following advantages.
Intimate knowledge of one of the opponent's special attacks, qualities, or vulnerabilities. For instance, if he made a successful check against the tarrasque, he could know of its vulnerability to wish magic.
Complete knowledge of opponent's base AC, attack bonus or max hit points. This allows Batman to "metagame", tailoring his use of Power Attack, Combat Expertise, and the like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:37:00 No.3072517 Report

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Obsession: Due to his never ending quest for perfection, Batman has honed his skills to an edge that no human can match. He has the following benefits:
Knack
+5 bonus on all mental based skill checks.
Maximum vitality points.
Martial Artist: Batman is one of the finest trained martial artists in the world. He gains bonus fighter feats as a fighter of his hit die and unarmed damage and feats as a monk of his hit die.
Batman is never considered flanked.
Missing Batman with a melee attack provokes an attack of opportunity from him.
Batman gains a +8 bonus to attack and damage rolls when fighting unarmed.
Batman gains a +3 bonus to AC for every -1 penalty he takes to attack while using Combat Expertise.
Batman's unarmed strikes deal bludgeoning, slashing, or piercing damage, as he sees fit. It is a free action to change the type of damage he deals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:38:00 No.3072519 Report

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Possessions: Batman has an extraordinary amount of possessions, many of which he has designed and built himself, that function similar to magical items. The list here is not comprehensive, but includes some common equipment.
Note: The skill modifiers are not included in Batman’s skill block, above.

Antitoxin: Neutralizes poison and restores 1d3 points of ability damage caused from poison.

Batarang: +4 to attack, 1d4 damage, 18-20 critical threat. Martial weapon for Batman, exotic for others. Range increment of 30 feet. May be used to deal nonlethal damage at no penalty.

Bat rope and grapple: Similar to rope of climbing, this shoots a grapple up to 200 feet long. This grants a +10 circumstance bonus to Climb checks when used.

Boots: +5 circumstance bonus to Move Silently checks. Batman has a sonic transmitter in the heel of his boot that will draw the attention and ire of any bats within a one mile radius. This attack typically draws 3d6 bat swarms to the location within 1d6 rounds.

Body armor: Damage reduction 10/adamantine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:38:00 No.3072522 Report

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Cape: +10 circumstance bonus to Hide checks, resistance to fire 20, +4 shield bonus to AC when fighting defensively. The cape also allows Batman to glide 20 feet forward for every 5 feet of downwards movement. The cape reduces falling damage by 50 feet.

Cowl: +10 circumstance bonus to Disguise checks, light fortification.
The cowl also holds night-vision lenses, giving Batman either low-light vision or darkvision (100 ft. range) as needed. There are visual enhancement devices as well, that can grant a +4 bonus to Search and Spot checks. Finally, a radio device is built into the cowl, allowing Batman communication with his allies.
The cowl may also be equipped with psi-blocking devices, which range in power. A standard psi-blocker gives a +5 bonus to Will saves and prevents telepathic means of detection.

First Aid Kit: +4 circumstance bonus on Treat Injury checks.

Flash grenade: Reflex save DC 18 or dazed for 1d6 rounds. Success results in daze for 1 round only.

Forensic Kit: +4 circumstance bonus on Investigate checks. Includes a micro camera.

Gas mask: +6 circumstance bonus to saves against inhaled poisons if donned the same round as contact with poison. A Reflex save (DC10 + original poison DC) allows the mask to be donned in time to avoid a Fortitude save entirely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:38:00 No.3072523 Report

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Gauntlets: Increase unarmed attack and damage by +3.

Halogen Flashlight: This produces bright light in a 100 foot cone, but only detectable by those with darkvision.

Handcuffs: Special reinforced manacles. Escape Artist DC 40, break DC 35.

Knockout gas capsules: Creates a 20 foot radius of poisonous vapors. The DC increases by 1 for every round spent within the vapors.
Knockout Gas; inhaled; Fortitude DC 18, initial damage: 1d6 nonlethal wound point damage, secondary damage: unconsciousness. Unlike typical poisons, the secondary save is made 1 round following the initial, and regardless of the success of the initial save.

Kryptonite Ring: Kryptonite. Allows Batman’s unarmed strikes to be treated as Kryptonite for the purposes of overcoming Kryptonian damage reduction.

Laser Torch: 1d6 fire damage per round with a successful touch attack. Ignores hardness less than 20, is not halved as typical for fire damage to objects. Used for cutting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:39:00 No.3072526 Report

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Lock Picks: +5 competence bonus on Open Lock checks.

Mini-computer: This device is equipped with a fax, modem, GPS and minidisk rewritable drive. It grants a +10 circumstance bonus on Knowledge and Research checks.

Remote Control: Allows remote piloting of Batmobile and Batjet.

Smoke Grenade: Creates 30 foot radius of obscuring smoke. Objects and creatures within the mist have concealment within 5 feet of each other, farther away is total concealment.

Tracers: Can be tracked as if discern location had been cast.

Utility belt: Batman's utility belt carries most of the equipment listed above. Tampering with the belt deals 10d6 nonlethal electricity damage, unless a Disable Device check (DC 30) is made. Batman may take an item out of his utility belt as a free action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity. Note that the first aid kit and forensics kit are miniature field versions, more extensive (with larger competence bonuses) kits are stored in the Batmobile or the Batcave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:41:00 No.3072536 Report

Quoted By: >>3072555

MY PARENTS ARE DEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:46:00 No.3072555 Report

Quoted By: >>3072558

>>3072536
His Dad may not be.

He may also be an enormous dick.

Nyat

Nyat Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:48:00 No.3072558 Report

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>>3072555
Nah, Dr. Pain is Thomas Wayne Jr. aka Bruce's long lost evil brother (which is pretty much as stupid as it sounds)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:50:00 No.3072574 Report

Quoted By: >>3072665

Batman IS the 20 on the d20.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 21:11:00 No.3072665 Report

Quoted By: >>3072675

>>3072574
Love that idea.
Batman doesn't need to roll.
Natural 20.

Because he's the Goddamn Batman.

Drawde

Drawde Thu 27 Nov 2008 21:15:00 No.3072675 Report

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>>3072665
Batman can take 20 whenever he Goddamned feels like it, and his 20 takes always crit.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Nov 2008 21:33:00 No.3072705 Report

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Strong 3/Fast 3/Tough 3/Smart 1/Dedicated 3/Charismatic 3/Martial Artist 4

Str 18
Dex 18
Con 18
Int 18
Wis 18
Cha 18

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 03:41:00 No.3074046 Report

Quoted By: >>3074089 >>3074099 >>3074112

I think the way to hit Batman is to go after Gordon. Don't go after the current ten day girlfriend or anything like that. Kidnap Gordon, drive to Wayne Manor, start beating the shit out of Gordon outside. When Batman just HAPPENS to be nearby and comes running to beat your ass yell "how's your mom doing?" and then hit him with a flamethrower, while all the other PCs unload whatever they have. Make sure you all use different types of ammo to make sure SOMETHING gets through whatever magical plot armor he has on today.

It's very important to NEVER hesitate. Kill him as fast as possible. And don't try to capture him to be cool. You'll loose. Kill him on site, hard and fast. Don't give him a single round to fight back.

Flamethrower, rocket launcher, armor piercing rounds, regular rounds, shredder rounds, poison blow dart guns, and a cannon. BEFORE the smoke clears on all that, release the dogs.

The dogs who have bomb vests.

As a safety measure burn Wayne Manor to the ground and then blow up as much of the surrounding area as you can.

Then remember: You still have to fight Lobo eventually.

Lee

Lee Fri 28 Nov 2008 03:43:00 No.3074058 Report

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But it was actually Alfred the butler, and batman takes you out from behind.

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Lee Fri 28 Nov 2008 03:46:00 No.3074071 Report

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That or Batman will employ a moose like in the pic.

Of course he has an invincible moose pen in the Batcave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 03:51:00 No.3074089 Report

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>>3074046
You fool. You allowed Batman to see you first. You NEVER allow Batman to see you first. Especially if he has time to go to the Batcave. Rules of Batman makes Batman win. Also Gordon's no push over. And you have to figure out that Batman is Bruce Wayne.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 03:55:00 No.3074099 Report

Quoted By: >>3074113

>>3074046
>Kidnap Gordon,
Not a huge flaw, Gordon was kidnapped plenty of times, but he's a resourceful and smart guy on his own.

>drive to Wayne Manor,
Here's the first flaw in your plan. You don't know Batman is Bruce.

>When Batman just HAPPENS to be nearby and comes running to beat your ass
Again, why go to Wayne manor anyway? And Batman wouldn't "just happen to be nearby". You'd all be cringing on the floor with wounds from the batrang, clutching your bloodied hands, weapons all on the ground or he would gass you with smoke grenades. You wouldn't see him coming. It's his goddamn home turf.

>yell "how's your mom doing?"
Again, you don't know anything about Batman's past or his mother, because you don't know he's Bruce.

Etc.

In short, worst plan ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 03:58:00 No.3074112 Report

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>>3074089
>>3074046

Just read the Knightfall comics and do exactly what Bane did only instead of breaking Batman, your goal is to kill him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 03:58:00 No.3074113 Report

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>>3074099
Well it's the sort of plan you expect to see from a metagaming asshole prior to a "rocks fall, everybody dies" scenario.

Except the rocks are Batman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:04:00 No.3074136 Report

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Disguise yourselves as Batman and start killing bad guys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:05:00 No.3074141 Report

Quoted By: >>3074157

Well, I have horribly detailed D&D stats... Can I post those so I can pretend I didn't spend ages wasting my time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:09:00 No.3074157 Report

Quoted By: >>3074161 >>3074164

>>3074141
Strength, Dexterity and Constitution: Must be 18, as DC has stated “His strength, stamina, speed and agility exceed that of any Olympic level athlete that has ever competed.”
Technically Batman has been shown bench-pressing 1200lbs, which suggests a minimum strength of 28.
Wisdom: Must be 18, due to massive will power and being “the Worlds greatest detective”.
Intelligence: Given as “Genius level”, which is how 18 is usually described.
Charisma: Batman is all about Intimidation, and gathering information is something he does almost without parallel. The fact that he convincingly keeps up a secret identity, and that this identity is quite the charmer, is further evidence for an 18 here too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:12:00 No.3074161 Report

Quoted By: >>3074183 >>3074222

>>3074157
>Batman has been shown bench-pressing 1200lbs, which suggests a minimum strength of 28
Whoa, whoa, whoa...

Are you aware of the difference between "bench-press" and "max encumberance"?

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:12:00 No.3074164 Report

Quoted By: >>3074192

>>3074157
Class and Level: As revealed to me by Bob Kane in a prophetic dream, Batman is a gestalt character. However, rather than the usual two level progressions side by side that make a gestalt character, Batman has 5 level progressions. His build is thus as illustrated in pic.

Final levels being:
Rogue 5
Monk (Hand & Foot Style from Unearthed Arcana) 20
Fighter 4
Exotic Weapon Master 2
Kensai 10
Master Thrower 1
Vigilante 10
Urban Soul 10
Bloodhound 10
Ghost-faced Killer 10
Streetfighter 5
Ranger (Urban Ranger from Unearthed Arcana) 5
Tattooed Monk 1
Ninja 5
Marhsal 2

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:15:00 No.3074183 Report

Quoted By: >>3074208 >>3074223

>>3074161
I treated bench press as "lift off of ground". This might illustrate my ignorance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:16:00 No.3074192 Report

Quoted By: >>3074217

>>3074164
Traits:
Abrasive (+1 intimidate, -1 Diplomacy and Bluff)
Relentless (+2 on constitution checks and checks made to continue tiring activities (see the endurance feat), but anything which would cause fatigue causes exhaustion instead.)
Feats (Batman doesn’t have to meet feats requirements for PrCls until in order to take levels in them provided he later takes the prerequisite feats. Because his parents are dead.):
Monk 1: Improved Unarmed Strike
Monk 1: Stunning Fist
Fighter 1: Weapon Focus: Batarang
Level 1: Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Baterang
Human Bonus: Alertness
Ranger 1: Urban Tracking
Marshal 1: Skill Focus: Intimidate (Changed from Diplomacy to better reflect Batman).
Monk 2: Deflect Arrows
Fighter 2: Improved Grapple
Ranger Combat Style: Rapid Shot
Level 3: Combat Expertise
Ranger 3: Endurance
Fighter 4: Power Attack
Level 6: Point Blank Shot
Monk 6: Improved Trip
Level 9: Precise Shot
Level 12: Improved Initiative
Level 15: Improved Feint
Level 18: (open)

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:18:00 No.3074208 Report

Quoted By: >>3074223

>>3074183
HNNNNNNNNRRRRGH

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:19:00 No.3074217 Report

Quoted By: >>3074229

>>3074192
Skills:
Balance: 9 ranks
Bluff: 5 ranks
Concentration: 5 ranks
Craft (Weaponsmithing): 3 ranks
Diplomacy: 5 ranks
Escape Artist: 23 ranks
Gather Information: 8 ranks
Hide: 6 ranks
Intimidate: 23 ranks
Knowledge (Architecture & Engineering): 5 ranks
Knowledge (Religion): 8 ranks
Knowledge (Local: Gotham City): 23 ranks
Move Silently: 6 ranks
Ride: 5 ranks
Search: 4 ranks
Sense Motive: 8 ranks
Sleight of Hand: 4 ranks
Survival: 4 ranks
Tumble: 4 ranks
137 left to unspent at the moment, or more if a Tome of Clear Thought was used at some point before level 20.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:20:00 No.3074222 Report

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>>3074161

A 'Deadlift' would be the Lift off Ground limit. I'm not sure where that puts a bench press.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:20:00 No.3074223 Report

Quoted By: >>3074241

>>3074183
>>3074208
GUYS

I think I just figured out how we can...

KILL THE BATMAN

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:22:00 No.3074229 Report

Quoted By: >>3074274

>>3074217
Equipment: My prophetic visions were hazy, other than that the Wayne fortune can be reflected by abusing the Rules As Written “Item Requires Specific Class or Alignment to Use: Even more restrictive than requiring a skill, this limitation cuts the cost by 30%.”.
15 classes, plus may be considered any/all of the 10 alignments, means 25 30% reductions. Final price of any piece of Batman-only gear is thus 0.7^25 times the usual price, items cost ~0.0134% of usual. Effectively 5 billion, 800 million Gold Pieces of wealth. (5816257189gp).

Unfortunately enough I think this still isn't enough to get an item of Wish at will, which is how I'd reflect the utility belt if possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:23:00 No.3074238 Report

Quoted By: >>3074368

If your players ever do something that would actually kill Batman, the person they thought was Batman will turn out to be Superman in disguise. (The two of them do that!)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:23:00 No.3074241 Report

Quoted By:

>>3074223
Heart attack? He survived one before.

Seriously, the only way to defeat Batman is to wait until he grows old and dies. Even then the cowl will be taken up by Damien or whoever the fuck will be around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:26:00 No.3074262 Report

Quoted By: >>3074339

>>3072021

Unless your players are already the lords of the land they won't have a chance.

If half of them aren't severely maimed or dead by the time they win or lose and batman leaves... You didn't do batman right.

You wouldn't want to start with batman anyway. Where as most superheroes rely totally on their power, much like a dresden files wizard relying too much on magic. You end up with someone who's predictable. So have them fight some mutants, or take out some of the easier targets and work their way up. Batman should be the end hero of the line of heroes they face.

I mean shit... Superman is easy by comparison.

As far as stats go? and common sense and comics don't mix much, but alright.

Batman's easily a level 20-25 human. Maxed out martial arts with tinkering as a side ability. If there's a feat to make his unarmed/melee meaner in damage and bonuses? take it. He needs to be a little tough, but he's mostly speed like any good martial artist.

Also, as far as stat chart?

str: 16
dex: 20
con: 14
int: 20
wis: 14-16
cha: 9

He's fairly strong, damn agile, resonably healthy/tough, smart as hell, wise enough to judge attitudes and see things from differing perspectives.

Charisma 9 because as far as interpersonal relations go he's a bit of a asperger's retard. The man has yet to hold a successful relationship for more than six months. He gets laid, but that's more of a random fluke of chance than actual attempts at getting the girl, or the boy if you believe the rumors about robin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:28:00 No.3074274 Report

Quoted By: >>3074359

>>3074229
L4: +1 Int
L8: +1 Int
L12: +1 Int
L16: +1 Con
L20: +1 Con
Venerable age puts Intelligence to 24, Wisdom and Charisma to 21. Physical stats not reduced due to Timeless Body.

Base Attack Bonus: +20/+15/+10/+5 (+20/+20/+20/+15/+10/+5 with Greater Flurry of Blows)
Base Fortitude Save: +28
Base Reflex Save: +26
Base Will Save: +24
Skill Points: 295

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:31:00 No.3074291 Report

Quoted By: >>3074315 >>3074322

1) Get evidence that Batman is Bruce Wayne.
2) Give evidence to the Joker through indirect means.
3) ????
4) PROFIT

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:35:00 No.3074315 Report

Quoted By:

>>3074291
>1) Get evidence that Batman is Bruce Wayne.
Almost completely impossible.
>2) Give evidence to the Joker through indirect means.
I think he knows. I don't think he'd do anything anyway. He needs Batman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:36:00 No.3074322 Report

Quoted By:

>>3074291
The Joker's always known. If you tell him, he'll probably just kill you for insulting his intelligence, then pretend that nothing happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:39:00 No.3074339 Report

Quoted By: >>3074354

>>3074262
I'm gonna break from spamming my crap to argue with you.

Charisma 9 is just plain trolling, he's adept at reading and manipulating people. Plus he can immitate Robin, Superman, Matches Malone, Gorden, etc, flawlessly.

He's also the most desirable guy on the planet (well, depends who's writing as to whether it's just gold diggers you think that, but certainly he's a charmer). And he does that in his spare time to keep up appearences.

Wisdom really shouldn't be anything less than human peak, because he's "the worlds greatest detective" by definition, and that's based on wisdom.

Physical stats: Like I said, DC has stated “His strength, stamina, speed and agility exceed that of any Olympic level athlete that has ever competed.”. getting an 18 in the relevant stat is rare, but not rare enough that olympic level atheletes don't have it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:44:00 No.3074354 Report

Quoted By: >>3074367 >>3074371

>>3074339
The high charisma is also indicated by the absurd amount of disguises he uses while investigating and fooling people all around.

High wisdom is further indicated by all the tibetan rituals and meditation he went through, and still does and by his iron will.

Intelligence might be his lowest stat but it's still in the upper levels for various reasons: absurd amount of skill points, incredible inventions and technological, chemical and other knowledge he constantly applies when building his tools and gadgets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:44:00 No.3074359 Report

Quoted By: >>3074360

>>3074274
Abilities, in alphabetical order by source:

Bloodhound: Bring 'em Back Alive (Ex)
Bloodhound: Find the Path (Sp) 2/day
Bloodhound: Freedom of Movement (Su)
Bloodhound: Locate Creature (Sp)
Bloodhound: Mark (4) (Ex), which grants the following five abilities in relation to Marked creatures:
Mark: Ready and Waiting (Ex)
Mark: Tenacious Speed (Ex) (+30ft, to a maximum of Mark's speed)
Mark: Hunter's Dedication (Ex)
Mark: Crippling Strike (Ex)
Mark: See Invisibility (Su)
Bloodhound: Move Like The Wind (Ex)
Bloodhound: Nonlethal Force (Ex)
Bloodhound: Scent (Ex)
Bloodhound: Shielded Mind (Su) (SR25)
Bloodhound: Swift Tracker (Ex)
Bloodhound: Tenacious Pursuit (Ex)
Bloodhound: Track the Trackless (Su)
DC Comics: MY PARENTS ARE DEAD (Ex)*
Exotic Weapon Master: Exotic Weapon Stunt (Ex) (Ranged Disarm)
Exotic Weapon Master: Exotic Weapon Stunt (Ex) (Stunning Blow)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:45:00 No.3074360 Report

Quoted By: >>3074362

>>3074359
Ghost-Faced Killer: Frightful Attack 3/day (Su)
Ghost-Faced Killer: Frightful Cleave (Su)
Ghost-Faced Killer: Ghost Sight (Su)
Ghost-Faced Killer: Ghost Step (Ethereal) (Su)
Ghost-Faced Killer: Ghost Step 4/day (Su)
Ghost-Faced Killer: Sudden Strike (Ex) 10d6 (3d6 from Rogue, 1d6 from Streetfighter, 3d6 from Ghost-Faced Killer, 3d6 from Ninja)
Kensai: Instill (Ex)
Kensai: Ki Projection (+10 on intimidate, bluff, diplomacy, gather information)
Kensai: Ki Warlord
Kensai: Power Surge (Ex)
Kensai: Signature Weapon (Su) (+10, Two Fists)
Kensai: Withstand (Ex)
Marshal: Major Aura (+1): Resiliant Troops
Marshal: Minor Aura: Art of War
Master Thrower: Thrown Weapon Trick (Ex) (Trip Shot)
Monk: Abundant Step (Su)
Monk: AC Bonus (Ex) (WIS, +4 Monk, +1 Ninja)
Monk: Diamond Body (Su) (Immune to all diseases)
Monk: Diamond Soul (Ex) (SR30)
Monk: Empty Body (Su) (20 rounds/day Ethereal)
Monk: Fast Movement (Ex) (+70ft)
Monk: Greater Flurry Of Blows (Ex)
Monk: Hand and Foot Style (+2 Balance, +2 on AoO against Bull Rush and Overrun, +4 Dex/Str against Trip/Bull Rush)
Monk: Improved Evasion (Ex)
Monk: Ki Strike (Lawful, Magic, Adamantine)
Monk: Perfect Self (DR10/Magic)
Monk: Purity Of Body (Ex) (Immune to natural diseases)
Monk: Quivering Palm (Su) (DC20+Wis)
Monk: Slow Fall (Ex) (Any Distance)
Monk: Still Mind (+2 on saves against Enchantment Spells and Effects)
Monk: Timeless Body (Ex)
Monk: Tongue of the Sun and Moon (Ex)
Monk: Unarmed Strike (2d10)
Monk: Wholeness of Body (Su) (40hp/day)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:46:00 No.3074362 Report

Quoted By: >>3074363

>>3074360
Ninja: AC Bonus (Ex) (WIS, +4 Monk, +1 Ninja)
Ninja: Great Leap (Su)
Ninja: Ki Power (Su) (2+Wisdom Per Day)
Ninja: Poison Use (Ex)
Ninja: Sudden Strike (Ex) 10d6 (3d6 from Rogue, 1d6 from Streetfighter, 3d6 from Ghost-Faced Killer, 3d6 from Ninja)
Ninja: Trapfinding (Ex)
Rogue: Improved Uncanny Dodge (Ex) (Rogue and Streetfighter)
Rogue: Sneak Attack 10d6 (3d6 from Rogue, 1d6 from Streetfighter, 3d6 from Ghost-Faced Killer, 3d6 from Ninja)
Rogue: Trap Sense +1 (Ex)
Rogue: Trapfinding (Ex)
Streetfighter: Always Ready (Ex) (+3 Initiative)
Streetfighter: Improved Uncanny Dodge (Ex) (Rogue and Streetfighter)
Streetfighter: Sneak Attack 10d6 (3d6 from Rogue, 1d6 from Streetfighter, 3d6 from Ghost-Faced Killer, 3d6 from Ninja)
Streetfighter: Stand Tough 2/day (Ex)
Streetfighter: Streetwise +6 (Ex) (+2 from Streetfighter and +4 from Vigilante)
Tattooed Monk: Tattoo (Su) (Falcon)
Urban Ranger: Animal Companion (Ex) (Bat)
Urban Ranger: Favoured Enemy (Ex) (+4 Humanoids (Human), +2 Undead)
Urban Ranger: Ranger Spells (CL5th)
Urban Ranger: Wild Empathy (Ex) (Half Class Level)
Urban Soul: City Bond (Su) (Gotham)
Urban Soul: City Ramparts 3/day (Ex)
Urban Soul: Citybred Senses (Ex) (+6 Search, Listen, Spot)
Urban Soul: Hear The City 2/day (Sp)
Urban Soul: Intracity Teleport (Sp)
Urban Soul: Meld Into City (Sp)
Urban Soul: Mob Violence (3d6)
Urban Soul: See The City (Sp)
Urban Soul: Urban Renewal 5/day (Sp) (Disintegrate (Objects only), Wall Of Stone, Stone Shape)
Urban Soul: Urban Skill Mastery (Ex) (Balance, Climb, Jump, Move Silently, Tumble)
Urban Soul: Urban Sustenance (Ex)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:46:00 No.3074363 Report

Quoted By:

>>3074362
Vigilante: Detect Evil (Sp)
Vigilante: Dimensional Anchor 1/day (Sp)
Vigilante: Mettle (Ex)
Vigilante: Quick Hide (Ex)
Vigilante: Quick Search (Ex)
Vigilante: Smite the Guilty 3/day (Su)
Vigilante: Speak With Dead 1/day (Sp)
Vigilante: Streetwise +6 (Ex) (+2 from Streetfighter and +4 from Vigilante)
Vigilante: Vigilante Spells (CL10th)

*So dedicated is Batman to avenging his parents murder that he transcends traditional mindsets. He may be treated as being of any alignment he chooses, even two opposing alignments simultaneously. For example, he could be treated as Evil in order to qualify for the Blackguard prestige class, but not treated as Evil for the purpose of a Smite Evil attack directed at him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:48:00 No.3074367 Report

Quoted By: >>3074384

>>3074354
I guess INT would be the one least likely to be 18 - someone with subpar intellect but semi-infinite cash and motivation could probably build whatever the fuck he wanted, especially if he takes ideas and parts from Wayne-Tech R&D.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:48:00 No.3074368 Report

Quoted By:

>>3074238
I remember this episode. It was kind of disappointing that he didn't just pop out of the suit then club Bane.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:51:00 No.3074371 Report

Quoted By: >>3074399

>>3074354
>Intelligence might be his lowest stat
He's in the top three smartest people in the DCU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:57:00 No.3074384 Report

Quoted By:

>>3074367

Nah, Batman is the second smartest human in his universe. His int is way up there.

Abaddon

Abaddon Fri 28 Nov 2008 05:03:00 No.3074399 Report

Quoted By: >>3074403 >>3074425 >>3074431

>>3074371
Lex Luthor? Who is the other one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 05:04:00 No.3074403 Report

Quoted By: >>3074431

>>3074399
Superman?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 05:11:00 No.3074425 Report

Quoted By:

>>3074399

Mister Terrific.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 05:12:00 No.3074431 Report

Quoted By: >>3074440

>>3074399
>>3074403
Brainiac
Oracle
T.O. Morrow
Mr. Terrific
...?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 05:15:00 No.3074440 Report

Quoted By: >>3074872

>>3074431
>Mr. Terrific

Thats the one, Terrific is the official third smartest human in the DC universe.

Gurobear !n1sWmE2mAA

Gurobear !n1sWmE2mAA Fri 28 Nov 2008 06:42:00 No.3074872 Report

Quoted By:

>>3074440

Where does Anarky fit in there? He certainly exceeds Batman in a number of intellectual fields (he independently made a fucking boom tube), even if he's too culty to be allowed to be at the top of a list no matter what achievements Alan Grant gave him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2008 07:55:00 No.3075176 Report

Quoted By:

For the love of god don't give him prep time
Batman + prep time = TPK

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