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Bards

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:17:00 No.3078037 View View Reply Original Report

Bards.

What do you think of them?
We're discussing 3E/3.5 bards here.

Several of my friends are convinced bards suck because they lack combat abilities.

But D&D isn't all about combat, but I guess those are the campaigns they play. Anyway, what does /tg/ think?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:18:00 No.3078043 Report

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i love bards.

they can heal if you don't have a cleric, they can do some roguish things, and there the best support class ever.

plus you get to rhyme all the time.

whats not to love?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:20:00 No.3078055 Report

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I drink your milkshake

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:21:00 No.3078060 Report

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I almost never play bards, but I don't think they suck at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:22:00 No.3078064 Report

Quoted By: >>3078076 >>3078137

Bards are almost as bad as rogues, in the sense that they cater to a crowd that's best left playing by themselves.

If your favorite class is either of the two, you're a fag and a half.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:23:00 No.3078076 Report

Quoted By: >>3078084

>>3078064
What's so bad about them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:25:00 No.3078084 Report

Quoted By: >>3078137 >>3078780

>>3078076
Ask yourself what kind of person would be attracted to the advantages and prospects of each class.

These are the lowest kind of people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:25:00 No.3078086 Report

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I think the one thing that I'd add to bards (probably as a second or third level ability) would be trapfinding. The Bard is supposed to be able to stand in for different missing party elements, and trapfinding is one of the important ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:26:00 No.3078092 Report

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Bards with a pipe organ are scary.

3 songs going on at once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:29:00 No.3078102 Report

Quoted By: >>3078149 >>3078885 >>3081726

But in the end, most DnD campaigns really rely on combat and death-dealing scenarios as traditional mythic fantasy dictates. After all...

Sauron didnt get diplomacie'd to death.Beowulf didnt sing his monsters to oblivion.And Hercules certainly favored his fists over strumming a nice song.

In mechanical terms, let's put it in place like this:

Their combat effectiveness is severely ineffective in the higher tiers of combat when put into comparison againts other classes which could serve as replacements.Only a severely experienced player could easily surpass this mechanical deficit via exellent gameplay and roleplay.

However, I tend to like to use the lowest common denominator, vis a vis, the most common amount of players, which arent very 'roleplay-y' but more, 'hack and slash'.

Bards are not entirely uselss, what with their versatility, but in any given scenario, if I am forced to choose, I'd rather play a Rogue.

I've played Bards before, and most of my Dm's have tended to lead them to colorfull deaths.Like, say, getting torn apart by a stone golem, as he fiddled me with my own lute.

Ah, good times.

Dm's hate Bards, I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:32:00 No.3078112 Report

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Bards also have scary prestige classes.

Seeker of the Song can do 35d6 damage.>>3078037
>>3078037

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:39:00 No.3078137 Report

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>>3078064
>>3078084

Great reason there pal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:40:00 No.3078144 Report

Quoted By: >>3078150 >>3078173 >>3078203

On a related note, does anyone know where to find the 4e bard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:41:00 No.3078149 Report

Quoted By: >>3078160 >>3078173

>>3078102

A DM who hates Bards is just as bad as a DM who always tries to make Paladins fall. If a player wants to be a Bard, a good DM would try to help make a few non-hack and slash sessions so that they can get some screen-time too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:41:00 No.3078150 Report

Quoted By: >>3078173

>>3078144
There is none.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:47:00 No.3078160 Report

Quoted By: >>3078185

>>3078149
A lot of people play Paladins rather poorly. Paladins are not supposed to be stick-up-the-butt. Only to evil people.

They're supposed to be nice to everybody else, and actively hunt those who choose evil. Nobody is perfect, so they shouldn't be a bitch to everybody.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:47:00 No.3078168 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:48:00 No.3078172 Report

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Fuck people who hate on Bards. They're just afraid of the powah.

Drawde

Drawde Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:48:00 No.3078173 Report

Quoted By: >>3078189

>>3078144
>>3078150
There is one. There was a playtest for them or something, and I think I might have it laying around.

>>3078149
I made a bard in a noncombat campaign. People laughed at me and teased me to no end about my choice until I screwed myself up completely trying to please both them and me. I eventually had to get a reroll, but player conflict and the DM's home problems caused the campaign to fall apart. It may have been for the best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:49:00 No.3078185 Report

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>>3078160

Thats the players problem then, not the classes. If someone explained to them that the Paladin was King Arthur rather than Torquemada we wouldn't be having this problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:49:00 No.3078187 Report

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WHY I AM SO BARD

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:50:00 No.3078189 Report

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>>3078173
Supposedly PHB2 for 4E MIGHT have one. I hhope it does. If it has an artificer, why not a bard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:51:00 No.3078198 Report

Quoted By: >>3078201 >>3078206 >>3081761

well, the Dirgesinger PrC from Libris Mortis is actually really good. considering that it can, at character level 10, do this:

Song of Awakening: At 5th level, a dirgesinger can animate
the recently slain corpse of a creature within 30 feet. This
requires the dirgesinger to make a Perform check (DC 10 +
target creature’s HD). The slain creature can have no more Hit
Dice than the dirgesinger’s character level. If the attempt fails,
the dirgesinger can try again in a later round. The corpse to be
awakened must have been dead for no more than 1 hour.
The awakened creature’s type becomes undead, and it retains
any subtypes it had. The creature retains all class features, as well
as any supernatural or spell-like (but not extraordinary) abilities
it possessed in life (though any spells cast or daily uses expended
before the creature’s death count against its normal limits). The
awakened creature is completely loyal to the dirgesinger and
obeys any commands given it (if no commands are given, it
simply attacks the dirgesinger’s foes). The creature remains
animate as long as the dirgesinger continues to perform.

you just have to get over the whole CRAAAAWWWWLLLING IN MY SKIIIIIINNN thing...

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Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:53:00 No.3078201 Report

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>>3078198

Drawde

Drawde Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:53:00 No.3078203 Report

Quoted By: >>3078293

>>3078144
Here you go. It's up to level 11.

http://privatepaste.com/602M8hKrHB

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:54:00 No.3078206 Report

Quoted By: >>3078233

>>3078198
The Requiem feat is scary, too. It can be used to piss of a true necromancer, or make him a valuable ally.

Prophet of Killogram !!UN/8XlZaOkl

Prophet of Killogram !!UN/8XlZaOkl Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:02:00 No.3078233 Report

Quoted By: >>3078261 >>3078307

>>3078206
and the whole dc 10+HD is great since frigging great wyrms have at most 40 HD. properly minmaxed, you can make anything in the game your bitch, and if you pick a race that doesnt need sleep (undead, warforged, etc) you can keep it going indefinitely.

fuck, I need to do this now... what are the best ways to boost perform skill anyway?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:03:00 No.3078239 Report

Quoted By: >>3078272 >>3078297

Whenever I make a bard, the DM has him attacked first in combat, regardless of what we're fighting. It's like the monsters are all "OH FUCK, GET HIM, HE HAS A FLUTE! YES, GO PAST THE SWORDMASTER DAMMIT."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:09:00 No.3078261 Report

Quoted By: >>3078273

>>3078233

Skill Focus comes to mind. Let me check.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:12:00 No.3078272 Report

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>>3078239
You have a bad DM, then.

Monsters would more likely go for the Burly Dudes with Big Axes first, the Small Dudes who Shoot Fire next, the Sneaky Dudes who Are Hard to See that Hurt Me next, then the Dude who has been playing music for no apparent reason.

Prophet of Killogram !!UN/8XlZaOkl

Prophet of Killogram !!UN/8XlZaOkl Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:12:00 No.3078273 Report

Quoted By: >>3078278

>>3078261
yes. also, now that I think of it, there are magic rings that do the same thing on top of that...

wait shit, it's capped at you character level worth of monster HD... still, its pretty damn strong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:14:00 No.3078278 Report

Quoted By: >>3078283

>>3078273
Yeah.

Also, in Song and Silence there is a spell that masks your bardic music as natural sounds of the area. Your allies still get the bonus, but mosnters won't know you're playing.

Prophet of Killogram !!UN/8XlZaOkl

Prophet of Killogram !!UN/8XlZaOkl Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:16:00 No.3078283 Report

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>>3078278
fuck now that i look at it, RAW you could reanimate golems or undead. anything that counts as a creature.

a good dm would say this is stupid, but it might be fun to mess with a bad DM with...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:17:00 No.3078288 Report

Quoted By: >>3078290

Can a Bard have his ranks in Perform in Oration so that he can give inspirational speeches instead of song?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:19:00 No.3078290 Report

Quoted By: >>3078305 >>3079159

>>3078288
I wanted to do that too. But no, unfortunately.

More interesting bard stuff:
Fohlucan Lyrist or something, is a Druid/Bard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:19:00 No.3078293 Report

Quoted By: >>3078339

>>3078203
Why Eleven?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:21:00 No.3078297 Report

Quoted By: >>3078417

>>3078239
In my case, it's usually because I play bards as leaderish types, and opponents tend to rush the guy who's waving his sword around and shouting orders.

In my defence, my Eberronian bard is an Aundairan ex-sergeant whose skill is Perform (swearing) and who has more ranks in Intimidate than Diplomacy. I imagine him as more of an Imperial Guard sergeant screaming himself blue in the face in order to motivate the NPC maggots he used to lead to charge the undead Karrnathi horde instead of a prancing fop in pointed shoes.

He's probably going into that Knight Phantom PrC at some point. Eberron's low-level-ness helps make bards more playable: at level 8, for example, the Inspirational Burst spell helps give you a +3 inspire courage effect, which gives you the equivalent BAB of a fighter of your level, and an effective +2 to STR. The only difference between my level 8 Bard and a level 8 Fighter is 1) Fighter has more HP, probably and 2) Fighters can't cast mirror image or a ton of other things, and fail at all skill checks. And I can't make a silly feat-intensive machine-gun trip-character, but that's not what I want anyway.

GTVA Colossus !moot/UIi/o

GTVA Colossus !moot/UIi/o Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:21:00 No.3078300 Report

Quoted By: >>3078374 >>3078431

Perform (Pipe Organ)
Animate Object
BATTLE CHURCH

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:22:00 No.3078305 Report

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>>3078290

Damn. There goes my plans for a Bardbarian with a silver tongue and a steel arm. Guess I'll have to go back to the foppish dandy duel-wielding whips and using improved trip/ improved disarm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:23:00 No.3078307 Report

Quoted By: >>3078340

>>3078233
Masterwork shoes, instrument, and something else for your choice of prime perform.

Take ranks in perform (Sing, Dance, or String), Something Performer feat from Complete adventurer, and skill focus (perform of choice), bam there's around +9, I think. Multiple performances add +2 to the highest roll.

Drawde

Drawde Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:33:00 No.3078339 Report

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>>3078293
It's a playtest.

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Prophet of Killogram !!UN/8XlZaOkl Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:33:00 No.3078340 Report

Quoted By: >>3078388

>>3078307
not to mention two rings of skill focus +10 (or something like that) and i'm sure there are bard spells to buff CHA and perform...

Prophet of Killogram !!UN/8XlZaOkl

Prophet of Killogram !!UN/8XlZaOkl Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:48:00 No.3078374 Report

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>>3078300
FUCK YES YOU ARE THE BEST CHURCH EVER

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:50:00 No.3078388 Report

Quoted By: >>3078395

>>3078340
They wouldn't stack. They're named bonuses. Congrats on wasting twice your gold on a total +10 to one skill, though.

Prophet of Killogram !!UN/8XlZaOkl

Prophet of Killogram !!UN/8XlZaOkl Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:52:00 No.3078395 Report

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>>3078388
right. I always forget that. but still, +10 is pretty good if you are building specifically for this to have the highest possible Perfom skill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 01:58:00 No.3078417 Report

Quoted By: >>3078430 >>3078441

>>3078297
First good bard I've ever seen.

The problem I have with your average bard is that it just feel out of place in most parties. It's like Ricky Martin decided to join your adventuring party.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:01:00 No.3078430 Report

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>>3078417
partly it's the nature of bards

they tend not to stay with an adventuring party unless they're writing an epic poem about them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:01:00 No.3078431 Report

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>>3078300

I lol'd so fucking hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:06:00 No.3078441 Report

Quoted By: >>3078455

>>3078417

I never saw a reason for most of the classes to be where they were in a party. Why would a Paladin travel anywhere with anyone who isn't a Cleric or good aligned Fighter? Why would a Cleric wander around killing monsters for money? Why would a Druid travel with anyone at all?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:07:00 No.3078451 Report

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>D&D isn't all about combat
Yes it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:08:00 No.3078455 Report

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>>3078441
>Why would a Druid travel with anyone at all?
Because they... need them... to...

hahahahahaha.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:09:00 No.3078460 Report

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Bards rely on charisma and people skills, which the average dnd playing fa/tg/uy doesnt have

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:10:00 No.3078465 Report

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>wehat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:11:00 No.3078474 Report

Quoted By: >>3078506

>Why would a Druid travel with anyone at all?

Cuz their parents threw them out of the basement for being good-for-nothings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:13:00 No.3078484 Report

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> Dm's hate Bards, I think.
That reminds me of this one-shot game mastered by someone that did it for her first time. And did it with her own needlessly complicated cosmology including dimension hops, railroading and x-men.
The players all made a bard, and they all bringed an instrument at the table. At every occasion, they played them.
And these were local folkloric instruments. The kind that make your ears spontaneously bleed.

I was in another game at the next table, but FELT that it was fucking hilarious.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:16:00 No.3078506 Report

Quoted By: >>3078521

>>3078474

Flower-patterned-shirt-wearing radiant destiny !!zffthw77diZ

Flower-patterned-shirt-wearing radiant destiny !!zffthw77diZ Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:17:00 No.3078507 Report

Quoted By: >>3078538

I'll make an all-bard vilain band as BBEGs for an upcoming campaign. Violin, battle drums, pipe organ and illusionary chorus. I don't think they're gonna be very frightening statwise, but dammit, facing a band is cool in my book.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:20:00 No.3078521 Report

Quoted By: >>3078571 >>3078938

>>3078506

All druids are furries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:25:00 No.3078530 Report

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I've played exactly one bard. I planned it out weeks in advance. Nelos Onmar, low-mid level human bard. Came up with all the feats, equipment, skills, and such to get me massive social skill checks and inspire courage bonuses. I remember rolling a 50 gather information check and being able to give about +5 to attack and damage rolls with inspire courage. I had a wonderful backstory, with a bunch of anecdotes I could tell, and was ready to ad lib hundreds more. Had a whole personality set up. I was ready to be the most dashing, charismatic rogue (not the class, mind you) anyone had ever seen.

And I was. Everything went great. I even left the party speechless with my wordsmithing. I asked around and found the habits of the unbelievably secretive wizard we were looking for. Then the party was ambushed by a few weak monstermen. I rolled a good initiative, stood back, and strummed a magnificent tune on my lute, inspiring courage, letting the rest of the party charge forward and demolish them in one or two rounds. Then from behind, the real fight. Four or so Bonedrinkers, MM3. All of whom grapple me, pin me, and CON damage me to death in two rounds, before the party can even get back there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:26:00 No.3078538 Report

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>>3078507

It must be a marching band, the illusionary chorus and extra marchers are the trapped souls of those that fell to the dirge.

The band travels relentlessly, the souls pale and weary, the leaders always gay and marry. They march through towns, jumping, skipping, but performing a moaning dirge that rattles the soul. The weakest take knife to throat within the first day.

The band never stops. They cut through the town every which way, night and day, circling, always playing.

Those who have held out become fearful, sleepless, not fully aware of the cause. Fights break out, neighbor on neighbor. The frail die, children fall ill, and slowly the entire town collapses - it's inhabits commit suicide, kill each other, grow ill, grow mad, or flee.

And the band grows, and marches on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:29:00 No.3078552 Report

Quoted By: >>3078592 >>3078625 >>3078767

I played a lawful evil bard (the dm waived the alignment restriction because it was pointless) who's crowning moment came after an epic perform check before the ruler of the 4th Layer of Hell. Fierna, the arch-devil ruler of Phlegethos, invited my bard to eat her out. Upon doing so I got a freebie vile feat of my choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:34:00 No.3078571 Report

Quoted By:

>>3078521
All furries are druids

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:37:00 No.3078592 Report

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>>3078552
Your DM better have been a woman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:41:00 No.3078614 Report

Quoted By: >>3078767

Watch this before youtube deletes it!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jshe65EE0So

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 02:43:00 No.3078625 Report

Quoted By: >>3078767

>>3078552
I heard of the terrible VD you can get that way...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 03:23:00 No.3078767 Report

Quoted By:

>>3078625
>>3078614
>>3078552
Man. You fuckers really killed this thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 03:25:00 No.3078780 Report

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>>3078084

Nigger best be trolling. Rogues aren't all about the thievery and such (SHOCK AND HORROR!). With the amount of skill points they get, and the skills available, it's easy to just make an athletic, nimble, likeable guy with some breaking-and-entering skills. Put your points into diplomacy, gather info, etc. etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 03:52:00 No.3078885 Report

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>>3078102
I'm sorry what? 3/4 BAB, and while im stabbing shit im voicing a Tyrian Battle chant that gives all my allies +6 to hit and damage, +6 to saves, +4 hit die and 40 temp hp.

bardic music is awesome at higher levels. Bards just have a bad stereotype.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 04:12:00 No.3078938 Report

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>>3078521
As a furry, I am insulted by this suggestion. *Gloveslap*

Restrospector !wKqyMvZCLo

Restrospector !wKqyMvZCLo Sat 29 Nov 2008 04:28:00 No.3078996 Report

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Bards are fun to roleplay as well as enter combat with. They may suck at combat, but they've got spells (with access to healing spells) to help them out as well as bardic music abilities. Everyone loves bardic music. They are also handy as minor skill monkeys.

To me, they are on par with factotums and binders when it comes to being great 5th members.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 05:02:00 No.3079159 Report

Quoted By: >>3079858

>>3078290
Actually, you can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 06:47:00 No.3079858 Report

Quoted By:

>>3078037
>>3079159
howzo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 12:50:00 No.3081469 Report

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My next concept: Orc Bard.

Instrument: Wardrums. Though he will have the usual in simplistic, primitive Orc weapons. He will deviate into fighting and general combat buffs for his spells.

Hell, if I pull it off right, the group won't KNOW I'm a bard at first. Imagine a Barbarian with a different class' abilities.

I'd like to think of him more as a War Caller than anything else.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 13:01:00 No.3081508 Report

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Okay, so here's my problem with the 4e bard: Why did they change his base Words? Is the full issue intended to better reflect what the PH2 build will look like, or is it just a copy editor error that doesn't mean anything? =\

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 13:58:00 No.3081664 Report

Quoted By: >>3081756 >>3081846

I'm so-so on bards... I really am drawn to jack-of-all-trades characters, but I never have a good time being constantly outshone, and whenever I play the group is too small to merit a buffer.

That being said, there was one bard build that I saw that I loved, though I don't remember it perfectly. Basically, you get your perform maxed out, and claim that your song of choice is beatboxing. Then, you grab a few levels of something else to get a skill that lets you substitute skill checks for other checks, and suddenly you have a bard that uses the power of fresh beats to dodge fireballs and jump pits.

If I remember right, you can make the character hilariously powerful doing this, because suddenly one really good skill can be used to counter other skills, and the rp potential is nigh-endless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 14:09:00 No.3081726 Report

Quoted By:

>>3078102
Orpheus would like a word with you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 14:25:00 No.3081756 Report

Quoted By: >>3081846

>>3081664
wasn't it Psionic you had to dip to get the skills for that? I dunno, I can't remember.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 14:26:00 No.3081760 Report

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Bard wise, they have some big combat things that get overlooked. While they don't have many spells, at low levels they have alot of crowd control and disabling type stuff. Use inspirational boost to get your bardish stuff done, and everyone all happy they attack better, then rain down on the enemy with grease, armor lock, (whatever the opposite of grease is, tar?) and most importantly glitterdust. And they get whips for free if I recall.

I know last time I played one, there wasn't much I could do on my own in combat, but there wasn't much that wasn't 10x easier because I was there. With one bard, you get a turret of buffs, slows, trips, and disarms and someone who out of combat just rocks the hell out of people.
Nothing like the big 8th level threat sliding around in grease, while blinded, and everyone just pummels him with extra attack bonuses.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 14:27:00 No.3081761 Report

Quoted By: >>3081833

>>3078198
DARKNESS FALLS ACROSS THE LAND
THE MIDNIGHT HOUR IS CLOSE AT HAND
CREATURES CRAWL IN SEARCH OF BLOOD
AND TERRORIZE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD

AND WHOSOEVER SHALL BE FOUND
WITHOUT THE SOUL FOR GETTING DOWN
MUST STAND AND FACE THE HOUNDS OF HELL
AND ROT INSIDE A CORPSE'S SHELL

THE FOULEST STENCH IS IN THE AIR
THE FUNK OF FORTY-THOUSAND YEARS
AND GRIZZLY GHOULS FROM EVERY TOMB
ARE CLOSING IN TO SEAL YOUR DOOM

AND THOUGH YOU FIGHT TO STAY ALIVE
YOUR BODY STARTS TO SHIVER
FOR NO MERE MORTAL CAN RESIST
THE EVIL OF THE THRILLER

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 14:56:00 No.3081833 Report

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>>3081761
1) Get a couple levels of duskblade
2) Get a whip
3) Irresistible Dance on everyone in 10 feet of you.
4) ???
5) THRILLER

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 14:59:00 No.3081846 Report

Quoted By: >>3081860

>>3081664
>>3081756

The thread is archived on suptg. It's a bard that takes levels of warblade in order to use diamond mind maneuvers from the Book of Nine Swords.

Basically a 900-gp ring of permanent undersong allows him to substitute perform for any concentration check, and diamond mind allows him to use concentration checks to do a slew of fun things. It's one of my favorite /tg/ creations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 15:00:00 No.3081860 Report

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>>3081846

Here's the thread on suptg:

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/1046881/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2008 15:07:00 No.3081879 Report

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I play a bard. Through feats I'm the party:
1) Archer
2) Bodyguard for the casters
3) Diplomacy/haggling guy
4) All-round support
5) "Oh FUCK x is down!" emergency healer
6) Monster decoy :(

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