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OP - STUDENTFAG Wed 27 Apr 2011 02:34:00 No.461105 View View Reply Original Report

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TL;Won't read: Spending next summer (March - July 2012) studying abroad. Italy, Norway or the Netherlands?

Good evening to all of you,

I am a male 23 years old student and i live in Germany, but I have the italian citizenship (and also speak italian quite well. Also my english is ok i think). Next year i will be spending the summersemester abroad (Erasmus).

I have several countries to choose from, but due to my technical / field of study interests, i narrowed my choice down to these cities:

TU Delft (Netherlands)

NTNU Trondheim (Norway)

Ancona / Salerno / Genova (Italy)

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OP - STUDENTFAG Wed 27 Apr 2011 03:08:00 No.461120 Report

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Shameless self bump with a nice lady from the netherlands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 03:10:00 No.461121 Report

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You should take in consideration the cost of life in the different places.

Trondheim will be kinda cold and then kinda hot.
There is not much to see there, and it's lost in the middle of nowhere.
But if you have time to travel around and the money to do so, Norway has plenty of scenic places.

Also I'm not sure that going from Germany to the Netherlands can be considered as a travel. Except if you'r from the south. Maybe.

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OP - STUDENTFAG Wed 27 Apr 2011 03:16:00 No.461123 Report

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>>461121
Yeah, but i will stay there for half a year, so even going to the netherlands is still a big thing, even if it's not that far away from germany. Btw, i live in the south :)

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Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 15:37:00 No.461266 Report

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Italfag here, I will try to help you with the choice in case you pick Italy as your destination
>My stay will be from March to July

>Salerno
-Salerno would be the hottest of the three. Landscapes are nice and Capri, Amalfi plus wonderful beaches - seasides are close. Naples is not far either and I think it is a beautiful city. The latter and the whole region have had big problems lately, it might be a difficult environment but Salerno's University should be ok... Please mind that the Uni is NOT in the city center, but inland (in FISCIANO, google it. Your UNI will tell you more on the logistics, therefore make sure it's not a problem!). Naples is getting wasted, litterally, but it's still a nice city with unique people (in both positive and negative way). I go there every year, nothing ever happened to me... Goethe spent very nice words on Naples...Pic related

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Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 15:45:00 No.461267 Report

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>>461266

>Ancona
-I know fucking NOTHING about Ancona, lol. I can't really tell how it would be... I always had the impression that it was a boring place where nothing ever happens, but I'm sure it's not like that. It is on the seaside and the sea looks nice there, so you may count this as a good point. The Marche region is not particularly relevant (no offence) but Emilia Romagna is not far.

>Genoa
-I have a spanish and an Irish friends who have friends that went to Genoa in erasmus and enjoyed it. Especially the spanish one, so I guess it's got a nice nightlife for students... Genoa is close to nice places too (cinque terre, portofino, sanremo...), it takes about 2 hours to go to both Milan (overrated) and TURIN (fucking underrated, pic related). I live between Genoa and Turin, closer to the latter.
Everybody say Genoa's sea is pig disgusting... It's not entirely false, but I have been to very nice rocky sea places just outside the city. Genoa's aquarium was the biggest in Europe until they built Valencia's one.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 15:46:00 No.461268 Report

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>>461267

As for the girls, I am sorry but I think Italian girls are the worst on the market. As far as I know Salerno and Genoa have a lot of erasmus students though. But again, I don't know about Ancona, sorry.
As for food, which you may be wondering about, Salerno -being close to Naples- has the best food of the 3, but Genoa and Ancona have their specialities too. What makes Naples win is that Pesto in Naples can be as good as Genoa's pesto, but Genoa's pizza will always suck Neapolitan Pizza's dick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 15:49:00 No.461270 Report

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First, let me just say that Trondheim university is fucking incredible, and repeatedly assrapes the other two. Second, since you speak italian, your best bet is probably italy if you want to do well, otherwise Norway if you want a cultural experience, or netherlands if you want to stay close to home.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 19:03:00 No.461307 Report

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>>461270
>netherlands if you want to stay close to home.
new guy here. Then my advice is to avoid the netherlands. The more away you are from home, the more you'll enjoy it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 19:13:00 No.461312 Report

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I don't see how Germany and Holland share the exact same culture. Dutchies are very different from Germans. Dutch people are very outgoing, sociable and fun loving, we call it gezelligheid.

About Delft, it's an awesome and cute city. Think a small version of Amsterdam without all the drunk Brits, crazy Japs and stoned Americans. A real student city, riddled with students. Very civil too. Dutch student chicks are hot, very hot and very willing too, if you're a nice guy that is.

If I was you, I'd go to Italy though: great food, great weather, great culture and lots of history and a totally different culture.

Bark

Bark Wed 27 Apr 2011 20:16:00 No.461335 Report

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If you're German, don't do the Netherlands. First of all, if there's anything we hate as much as Moroccan people, it's Germans. Completely no reason for except for WWII. Not me specifically, though, I just see a lot of it. Plus, in culture and climate and such, it's hardly different. We're a bit more "free", if you'd like to call it that, but other than that... Nope. I'd go further.

Personally, I'd go for Italy, especially in those months, mainly for the weather, but that's just me.

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OP - STUDENTFAG Wed 27 Apr 2011 20:18:00 No.461336 Report

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(part1)

Hey guys, thanks to all of you for the answers.

>>461266
>>461267
>>461268
thanks for the info. Actually I am Italian too, I just live in Germany since my young childhood, so I only know Italy from my relatives and all the holidays I spend there.

Genova sounds quite good, they also are the best Univeristy for my field of study (civil engineer, port and waterways constructions). Also you are right about the beautiful landscape around, been to cinque terre a few times. But I also like the dirty industrial areas and ports of Genova :D Has quite a charm too, I think.

Not sure about Salerno or Ancona. As you said, Ancona sounds like nothing. May be cool, but may also suck.

I'm pretty sure that Salerno is a beautiful city, but (now I gotta be careful) as I am from the North of Italy (between Como and Milano) and live in Germany since 1990, it may be a bit too chaotic for me there. I don't want to offend anybody, I love southern Italy, but I think it may be difficult for a stranger to orient yourself. I know that Italy can be pretty bureaucratic which can result in difficult situations at the univeristy or when looking for a room etc. At least thats what i've heard from my cousins. What do you think about that?

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OP - STUDENTFAG Wed 27 Apr 2011 20:19:00 No.461337 Report

Quoted By: >>461339 >>461342 >>461397

(part2)

>>461307
I think i'll probably eliminate Delft. Another contra is that for Delft I need a TOEFL-Exam with at least 96p of 120p, which is pretty much (I guess), and actually I don't have the time to study for ANOTHER exam. I think my english is okay, but not great, and as 96p are pretty much, I'd have to invest too much time for studying. Although Delfts Uni must be one of the best technical schools in Europe and the city is also quite nice from what i've heard. Much students around there (?).

Also, pic is the city I live now. Anyone recognize?

>>461270
Do you know anything about Trondheim and the people there? The Uni is very good and has a good reputation. Also if I go to Norway (or the Netherlands) my English would improve, which is by far more important than Italian. Although I would love to improve my italian too, because all my family is italian and I sometimes have communication problems.

Meh. Still not sure.
What do you guys think about my english? Does it suck dicks hard? :D Or very hard?

Delft/Genova/Trondheim?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 20:42:00 No.461339 Report

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>>461337
City in southern Germany -Karls something

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Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 20:49:00 No.461341 Report

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>civil engineer, port and waterways constructions
Genoa is so widely spread on the seashore that it can be called a whole massive port...
And youre english doesn't seem to need much of improvement, if you speak the way you write...
By what you write, it seems that you already know you want to go to Genoa. Just weigh properly Genoa and Trondheim, they both seem a good choice...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 20:51:00 No.461342 Report

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>>461337
it looks like a palace in Berlin...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Apr 2011 23:48:00 No.461397 Report

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>>461337
> Also, pic is the city I live now. Anyone recognize?
Haha, nice :)
I also live in Karlsruhe

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OP - STUDENTFAG Fri 29 Apr 2011 06:53:00 No.461719 Report

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Decision: I'm going to TRONDHEIM! :)

Probably i'll even stay there for a year.
Italy got kicked out because I've already been so often there. I visit my relatives twice a year and it woudl definitly be nice studying there, but nothing really new. I already know the "Italian way of life".

Time for something new :)

Anyone ever been to Trondheim?
Anyone ever made a one-year-exchange via Erasmus? Is it too long?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Apr 2011 09:49:00 No.462076 Report

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Been to Trondheim sometimes, they're university is doing pretty well me heard, positive stuffs ye get me. As a German from the south the weather could be shit, its close to the coast line so the rain is hitting hard.

In norway people speak over average good English, better than the average german i suppouse, so you shouldnt have to learn norwegian during your stay i think. But you probobly will anyway i guess. if yer goin for a year

The city is one of the most historic in Norway. Vikings and shit. Also the germans been there. You could check out munkholmen for example, a little island out in the fjord. Also theres a german sub marine base in Norway you prolly could visit.

The norwegian girls are okish, aryan u get me?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Apr 2011 18:15:00 No.462162 Report

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If you want party and good weather, go to Valencia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Apr 2011 18:43:00 No.462171 Report

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at the TU Delft the semester starts in february and ends beginning of july.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Apr 2011 22:13:00 No.462200 Report

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>>462162
I didn't read OP's post or anyone elses - but I saw this and had to agree
Britfag here

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Apr 2011 23:47:00 No.462211 Report

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If you're going to Delft I hope you like fraternities, every single student there is in one and the whole student culture in that city is based around them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Apr 2011 23:53:00 No.462212 Report

Quoted By: >>462251

NTNU in Trondheim is the best "technology" school in Norway, so if u are studying engineering of some sort, you should probably go there:) The weather should go from around 0 degrees celsius in march too 20-25 in june/july. Right now it's about 20 degrees.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 00:41:00 No.462223 Report

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>>461719
I live in Trondheim and I studied at NTNU. Feel free to fire away some questions. It's a good university in (imo) the nicest town in Norway!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 01:20:00 No.462231 Report

Quoted By: >>462253 >>462260

I'm partially italian too and I've been to Ancona and Genova, didn't stay there though.

both cities have big ports, and the sea IS shit.
In ancona they open your car and steal your stuff.
In genova there are old big buildings where people live, a dock that almost has no space in front of the city, and roads that go over the buildings.
Both cities are more criminal than other imho.

The region around naples has problems and is covered with trash, because the waste collection companies are controlled by the mafias and people has no antiwaste culture.

There is one thing about whole italy that you must know: people can subscribe to universities even 1 month before the courses begin, there are high chances of problems because they can't organize shit, and you may have to rent a place illegally if there is no specific help for erasmus students.
If like chaos, go to salerno XD

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OP - STUDENTFAG Sun 01 May 2011 02:39:00 No.462251 Report

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>>462212
20°C sounds pretty okay, i thought it would be colder in this time of the year. Looking foward to get out of the heat that comes up here in summer. Sometimes i get 31°C in my room. Definitly too much.

>>462223
Civil engineering fag here. I'm looking forward to attend many courses in port construction stuff and also hydro power engineering. Do you know anything about those courses?

From what i've heard and read, the NTNU sounds pretty neat and i think studying there will be much more applied that here in germany.

Also, can you guys give me some information about Trondheim and Norway in general? How's the living, do you go out often? How do you cope with the extremly high prices for groceries, and the even higher ones for alcohol?
How much norwegian should I learn? I guess if I want to hang out with Norwegians too I shouldn't talk only english all the time. Waddayathink?

I'm really looking forward to next year :)

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OP - STUDENTFAG Sun 01 May 2011 02:43:00 No.462253 Report

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>>462231
Man, italy is so fucked up :) I love visiting my relatives in summer, but when we start the talk about politics, economy and the future of the younger generations I'm kinda glad that I don't live there anymore! Although Germany and the people sometimes is just TOO organized and unflexible. A middle way would be great.

Pic is where I usually spend the summer in Italy. Love that place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 May 2011 04:23:00 No.462260 Report

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>>462231
>There is one thing about whole italy that you must know: people can subscribe to universities even 1 month before the courses begin, there are high chances of problems because they can't organize shit, and you may have to rent a place illegally if there is no specific help for erasmus students.
WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU FROM?? I never had these kind of problems for fuck's sake (i'm the other italian guy who posted here)...
Also, the trash problem in naples is mostly noticeable in some areas of the suburbs and sorroundings... I don't think salerno is much affected by that...

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OP - STUDENTFAG Tue 03 May 2011 00:38:00 No.462760 Report

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*bamp*

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 May 2011 02:25:00 No.462794 Report

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>>462251
Seeing as I don't study in Trondheim, but in Bergen, I cant say, but from what I have heard from people who study at NTNU, they all say it's really good, and that the student culture is good also.

I'd say most people go out atleast once or twice a week, often more, but this depends on money and on schoolwork. For instance, people studying easy stuff, like philosophy, will have a tendency to go out more then people doing engineering degrees, but it's also really dependant on the people you befriend.

Living is good. You will probably get somewhere to live through the school(?). Those places usually have an ok standard, and their prices are very low compared to if you want to rent privately. I have no idea about the amount of money you guys get, but if you go live in a studentappartment, you should have plenty of money for food and alcohol, but a tip is to bring lots of alcohol from Germany:)

About learning Norwegian....do you have to attend Norwegian classes? Cause I knew some germans who came to Bergen a few years ago, and had to take Norwegian courses, and after like half a year they could speak! They also insisted we didnt speak english too them, but only Norwegian, which I think is smart if you really wanna learn the language. It isnt necessary though, you will do fine with english.

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