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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2008 07:13:00 No.69537 View View Reply Original Report

In addition to the list of citizenships I'm in the process of acquiring/recovering/applying for on the basis of awesomeness, I have the chance to recover Spanish nationality if I live in Spain for a year as a legal resident. /trv/, where would you live/recommend to live/have lived that is relatively cheap in comparison to the rest of Spain that also has Internet? Spain, the Canary Islands, the Balearic Islands, Ceuta, Melilla, etc. I am going to do my own research as well, just wanted to hear your words of wisdom.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2008 16:39:00 No.69633 Report

Quoted By: >>69700 >>69723

If you enjoy the cold, cider and steak with cheese sauce, I'd suggest Asturias. For fans of hotter climates, Granada is the best place. 1 hour from the beach, skiing in Spring 1/2 hour away, and free food with your beer.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Oct 2008 23:37:00 No.69700 Report

Quoted By: >>69723

>>69633
I'm not sure I could get on with the weird languages in Asturias. What of the Canaries? I've always wanted to live in Morocco, so what about Ceuta and Melilla too? I've got two friends in Mallorca now. Maybe I could crash there for a year :D

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Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2008 00:02:00 No.69703 Report

Quoted By: >>71134

Stay away from Spain, in a few months it will be all but officially bankrupt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2008 00:13:00 No.69705 Report

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>:-|

I'm not coming there to make a living, work, or other BS. Just stay there a year, so I satisfy the residency requirements to reclaim Spanish citizenship.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2008 00:40:00 No.69714 Report

Quoted By: >>69723

Barcelona is the most "advanced" and modern place. Also hot chicks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2008 00:58:00 No.69723 Report

Quoted By: >>69829

>>69714
Madridfag here. Barcelona is the ONLY advanced and modern place in Spain, at least regarding people's minds. Our main problem is that the country has developed technically and socially greatly since democracy came in '78, but some Spaniards still hold Neolithic views. They refuse to learn English, be punctual and accept gay marriage which is a reality in modern Spain.

Other than that, I advise>>69537to follow>>69633's advice. Asturias and Granada are two BADASS places to live - more precisely, to eat and enjoy yourself, not to mention in holidays; besides, there are no "weird languages" in Asturias. Bable (Asturian-Leonese) does exist, but most Asturians speak Spanish as their mother language and the Spanish dialect is quite understandable there, far more melodic than broken Canary Spanish. Anyway, I would take the Balearic Islands rather than some place in Africa like those you mentioned in>>69700. Palma de Mallorca is not only monumental, but also a multicultural place due to the fact that many Europeans love to visit the islands (just beware of drunken British barbarians) and some of them, mostly Germans, have established their new homes there.

tl;dr Granada, Palma de Mallorca, Asturias in that order.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2008 01:22:00 No.69741 Report

Quoted By: >>69747 >>71134

I'm spanish and what I liek best aboot Spain is our neolithic views. I refuse to learn English, be punctual and accept gay marriage which is a reality in modern Spain.

And I have lots of cojones aswell.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2008 01:34:00 No.69747 Report

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>>69741
I'm figuring you with a bow, some arrows and nothing to cover your genitalia but a cloth of llama skin and I'm laughing my ass off. gb2/rainforest/

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Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2008 01:38:00 No.69752 Report

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No llamas in Europe

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Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2008 08:23:00 No.69829 Report

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>>69723
The only modern thing I really need is Internet faster than dialup. Cable/*DSL would be nice. Living someplace where the power isn't utter shit is very nice as well. I live in a Neolithic old Spanish country, so I understand perfectly. Fortunately, most of the people I know here are learning English and are on time for things. Some people, I've given up on the punctuality and acceptance of faggotry though.

I've got two German friends living in Mallorca now and they say it's cheap to live there, but they're loaded. Granada does seem pretty win for right now. I'm still reading into this whole citizenship thing, so I'm not even sure if I have to live there for a year. If so, it's very close to being next on my list of places to live.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2008 18:37:00 No.70165 Report

Quoted By: >>70173

How the hell do you gain Spanish nationality after just one year of residency

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Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2008 19:43:00 No.70173 Report

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>>70165
Grandmother/mother was/is Spanish.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2008 23:10:00 No.70196 Report

Quoted By: >>70236

The best cities are Barcelona and Madrid. Barcelona has beach and it's a modern city, on the other side it's more expensive to live and to go out than Madrid, which is the capital, no beach, but everywhere inside the country is nearer than in any other place.

I recommend you choosing one of those two, but living in near towns: cheaper, more calm and as good connected to the cities as city neighbourhoods themselves.

You can also check Valencia or Alicante, the second one has a great connection with the rest of the continent by cheap-flights.

About the jokes... Spain is in Europe, right under France. We're not in South America, we don't have llamas, we don't wear like mexicans or bullfighters or flamenco dancers and we don't live in the medieval ages.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Oct 2008 02:36:00 No.70236 Report

Quoted By:

>>70196
you rage you lose

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Anonymous Thu 16 Oct 2008 04:25:00 No.70255 Report

Quoted By: >>70465

Got a response from my German friend who lives in Mallorca and he said: "Canary Islands are a paradise for retired people and too far away from everything - you always need a 3 hours flight. Just to go to Spain and then elsewhere." So far, Granada is winning.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2008 01:14:00 No.70465 Report

Quoted By: >>70512

>>70255
if it's just a years residency (which will actually take longer than that since it'll take like 18 months AFTER your years residency for the naturalisation papers to go through and their government will see it as if you leave what's the point of them giving you spanish citizenship if you're just gonna run off after it's done?) you'll have to stay a lot longer than a year

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2008 02:38:00 No.70512 Report

Quoted By: >>70527

>>70465
1) How do you know how long it takes the papers to be processed? Have you or someone you know done this before?

2) Actually, they wouldn't see it if I left, because i would just go live somewhere else like Portugal or Finland and that wouldn't be me leaving Schengen.

3) The point is that it never hurts to have another citizenship (usually) and I'd have all the benefits of being a Spanish citizen. The passport is also great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2008 02:41:00 No.70514 Report

Quoted By:

There is internet almost everywhere
excep barcelona, Madrid, evey place will be nice, i recommend Asturias

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2008 03:33:00 No.70527 Report

Quoted By: >>70529 >>70533

>>70512
yeah my friend has done this,
1) had a spanish grandfather
2) did the year of residency
3) took 14 months AFTER the year for the naturalization papers to be confirmed
4) can't (permanently) leave during that time if you want the actual citizenship and that's even to another EU country because you need a place of residence in spain for the papers and such to be mailed to, you can leave after the papers are confirmed though then apply for your passport that way

also what's the point of applying for spanish citizenship if you can already stay in the EU without visa hassles there's just no point if you already have an EU passport, unless you want to make Spain your official home. getting the citizenship JUST BECAUSE is retarded. my friend only did it because he had no EU passport

sorry bro

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2008 03:36:00 No.70529 Report

Quoted By: >>70533

>>70527
also Spain doesnt recognize dual citizenship if you're not from one of it's former colonies (South and Central America, Phillipines, etc) or Portugal so you'd be asked to renounce your citizenship of where you're from.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2008 04:00:00 No.70533 Report

Quoted By: >>70535

>>70527
re: #4, that's why you have them sent to a friend's apartment. They'll call you when the papers arrive.

The point is options. Travel is about freedom and what you can do, not what you will do. You never know what you will do until something happens, so it's nice to have the option to do what you can. Hence, recovering any nationality just because you can is never retarded.

>>70529
My family is from one of those former colonies, so I don't have to renounce anything :D

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2008 04:03:00 No.70535 Report

Quoted By: >>70541

>>70533
you don't think they have ways of knowing you've left the country when you're only a resident?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2008 04:57:00 No.70541 Report

Quoted By: >>70555

>>70535
Riddle me this: If there are no border checks in Schengen and one moves about by means of road or rail, how are they going to know?

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Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2008 06:15:00 No.70555 Report

Quoted By: >>70557

>>70541
Riddle me this: What are you going to do when they call the number you give on the naturalization papers at a random time during anywhere up to 2 years after you've filed them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2008 06:29:00 No.70557 Report

Quoted By:

>>70555
I'm sure you can figure out the answers to these questions without asking them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2008 12:27:00 No.70596 Report

Quoted By:

>>69537
> Pasajes
> Avilés

I lol'd

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Oct 2008 14:46:00 No.70611 Report

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I was in Spain for two weeks (Barcelona, Alicante, Granada, Malaga, Marbella and a few other places) and I think Granada, Alicante and Barcelona were the best places. Of cource the few days I spent in each far weren't enough but...

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Anonymous Sat 18 Oct 2008 00:37:00 No.70691 Report

Quoted By: >>70713

Definitely Barcelona.
Mallorca is full of white trash Germans. It has long lost its own culture and is basically just a new German Länder. There's no point in living there unless you only like drugs and superficial recreationnal activities.
The Asturias/Granada/Ceuta/Mellila/Gran Canaria are nice for tourism but not modern enough to live in.
Barcelona has everything :
- beautiful
- open-minded, tolerant, multicultural (the good meaning = lots of various Europeans, few sandniggers/niggers)
- economically develloped = plenty of jobs. It doesn't pay as well as in the rest of Europe but the cost of living is lower
- Lots of culture both modern and ancient
- Nice nightlife, not only mindless clubbing like in Mallorca

The only real downside is that due to Catalanese nationalism you'll have to learn Catalan rather than Spanish since the latter is the language of the reviled "castillan" Spain. If you only speak Spanish you will never really integrate.

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Anonymous Sat 18 Oct 2008 02:44:00 No.70713 Report

Quoted By: >>70752 >>71015

>>70691
Not OP, but am thinking of moving to Spain as well. Is there much difference between Spanish and Catalan? Would a Spanish speaker be able to somewhat understand them, or is it a whole different story?

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Anonymous Sat 18 Oct 2008 05:28:00 No.70752 Report

Quoted By: >>71049

>>70713
They are somewhat similar, as they both come from latin, if you already know spanish, portuguese, italian or french you have 30% of the work done
will you move to Barcelona?

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Anonymous Sat 18 Oct 2008 10:03:00 No.70832 Report

Quoted By:

Balearics, definately

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2008 02:13:00 No.71015 Report

Quoted By: >>71049

>>70713
They are both romance languages and pronunciation is much more similar between Catalan and Spanish than between French and Spanish or Italian and Romanian. Anyway, you will have no problem in Catalonia, Valencia or the Balearic Islands because all Catalan-speaking populations are bilingual in Spanish - that is, you don't really need to be fluent in Catalan before you move to any place in the former Kingdom of Aragon. Once you've established yourself there, you can always start to learn Catalan of course, be it due to academic courses or due to the media.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2008 02:44:00 No.71021 Report

Quoted By: >>71028

How can you hold so many citizenships? Many countries will give you a hard time just having dual. It is extremely rare for someone to have 3 unless they are below 18 in which case upon turning 18, their country of residency usually forces them to drop one.
Just curious.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2008 03:03:00 No.71028 Report

Quoted By:

>>71021
>How can you hold so many citizenships?
Be born somewhere. Have grandparents from countries that have citizenship by descent programs. Naturalize in another place.

>Many countries will give you a hard time just having dual.
Not true. Most countries in the world recognize some form of dual/multi-citizenship.

>It is extremely rare for someone to have 3 [citizenships]
Not as rare as you think. Quite a few people have the ability to recover at least one from their ancestors. Some don't see the value in it and never bother though :(

>their country of residency usually forces them to drop one.
residency != citizenship
Yes, some countries do request you "renounce" your citizenship upon acquiring theirs, but most never actually watch you go to your consulate and hand in your old passport. I have no interest in acquiring citizenship from those countries however. The countries I will have citizenship in a) don't care about multi-citizenship b) don't require you to renounce previous citizenships upon acquiring theirs c) will not take your citizenship if you naturalize in another country either by descent or voluntarily d) do not care about you exercising your rights as a foreign citizen abroad (like using another passport, for example) e) do not tax non-resident citizens.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2008 05:47:00 No.71049 Report

Quoted By: >>71143

>>70752
>>71015
Yeah, thinking about moving to Barcelona, but I've heard it's really expensive to live in. But the thing is I'd kind of rather learn Spanish and not Catalan. I know they are similar, but how similar?

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Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2008 18:30:00 No.71134 Report

Quoted By: >>71145 >>71170

>>69741
>>69703

Idiots.
Spain is one of the fastest-growing economies in Europe, and they're only one of two countries to allow full gay gay marriage rights. They're all catholic in name but not really that conservative overall.

So, I'm an amerifag in Spain right now, as we speak, for reals. In Granada, spending a semester here. Been here since September. I've been to Sevilla, Madrid, Barcelona, Toledo, and Figueres.

But I think Granada is the best. I chose it because:

It's more affordable and authentic. I loved Madrid and Barcelona but everything was more expensive and more sprawled out - great landmarks and everything - but less of environment.

It might seem superficial but one of the charms is that in Granada free food is given out when you order a drink. Usually awesome food. Tapas, look them up. No other city really does it (in other ones they say they have Tapas but really they cost you). It's the charm of it - a tradition that still exists, a city not trying to suck your money from you.

Granada also has the biggest monument in the whole country - the Alhambra.

Here's my flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29950057@N07/sets/72157607201332525/

Check it out.

Pic related - I took it by the friggin' Alhambra.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2008 18:45:00 No.71143 Report

Quoted By:

>>71049

Granadafag from below - Catalan and Spanish really aren't that similar. I couchsurfed in Barcelona and asked a few people about it. My host speaks three languages, including great spanish, and is having difficulty learning Catalan. Visually it looks like Spanish and French had a baby but from what I hear it's pretty distinct as a language. And yes, because the Catalans have a lot of pride in their heritage and language, a good number do not speak Spanish or do but prefer Catalan. Someone looking to visit Spain to learn Spanish might get a more immersive experience somewhere outside Barcelona.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2008 19:07:00 No.71145 Report

Quoted By: >>71160

>>71134
What's your apartment cost per month in Granada?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2008 19:51:00 No.71160 Report

Quoted By:

>>71145

I'm here with a school program / scholarship thing, living in an apartment owned by a Spanish family. So, I already paid a lump sum for tuition, medical insurance, program trips, etc.

But some friends I've made are living in really nice places for about 400 Euro a month ($500ish).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Oct 2008 20:35:00 No.71170 Report

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>>71134
>>Spain is one of the fastest-growing economies in Europe, and they're only one of two countries to allow full gay gay marriage rights.

There are five, soon to be six - in addition to Spain, there is Netherlands, Belgium, Canada, South Africa, and Norway soon. And then 3 states in the US.

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