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second only to dumbledore
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>can't even kill an infant
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What is Voldemort's master plan, anyway? What are his goals? Is he just a big dumb meanie who does mean things?
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he's a fictional character, you tosspot.
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The wizards hide themselves from the muggles. they're not that powerful.
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If he's so powerful, why is he bald?
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Amu could cure him
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Something that always bothered me about Harry Potter, is that Harry apparently survived the doom spell because he was shielded by THE LOVE OF HIS MOTHER. Does that imply that everybody else in the world who have ever gotten killed by a spell is disliked by their mothers? Fucking wizards must be drowning in melancholy.
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>>15952864 He's Magneto but much more willing to eradicate things that aren't him
I really hate his motivation along with many other antagonist in today's media
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>>15952864 To conquer the world, ofcourse.
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>>15952911 I think it's because she like literaly offered her life for him. Like those other mothers would be like "no take me instead of him" and voldemort would just push them aside and kill their kids, but his mother jumped before him to protect him or something.
Or they just live in a very unfriendly world, with very little love.
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>>15952864 he has sort of a superiority complex
so he wants to like, run everything ever
also he wants an all-out muggle genocide because he thinks they're gross
he's like hitler except magic, bald, and better at staying alive
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>>15952864 He wants to subjugate everyone that is not a pure-blooded wizard and rule the world. For some reason he thinks he needs to kill Harry Potter to accomplish this.
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>>15952911 I thought it was a spell of protection influenced by her love, which was what made it so strong.
I don't know, haven't read any of the books. Actually, that's a lie. I read the first one a while ago and was uninterested in continuing.
Anonymous
I believe Voldemort's exact words on the matter were "It was old magic. I should have expected it."
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>>15952968 >"It's magic. I ain't gotta explain shit" Donny !LoveMEvB5s
What bugs me about HP is that these kids who find out they're wizards are not even psyched to learn and become the best fucking wizard ever. It's like, if you can use magic wouldn't you want to be able to do everything that is possible? Instead the kids threat their magic lessons as if it's fucking math. I'd be studying and practicing 24/7 and love every second of it.
Anonymous
I'll watch maybe the film at least once but why didn't voldemort just kill Harry after his mum stepped in the way?
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>>15953005 Most of these kids grow up with magic.
For the others, i agree.
>>15953018 He tried to, but the curse bounced back and reduced him to next to nothing.
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Voldemort is essentially Hitler.
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>>15953005 That's funny, because you were given the same opportunity to make something of yourself, yet you still pissed it away and didn't take full advantage of it.
Kids are stupid, most don't understand the true value of education until later in life, if ever. It's the same regardless if youre a normal person or a fucking wizard.
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>>15953005 They probably grow into the routine. I remember I was all "OMG I'M GONNA LEARN TO READ AND DO NUMBERS'N SHIT" when I started in school. Didn't last long for that to end.
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Couldn't Voldemort just stab Harry Potter as a baby?
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>>15953005 >Implying I wouldn't use the invisibility cloak a little too much >Implying I wouldn't make polyjuice potion and go onto ebay and buy celebrity hair >Implying that broom won't go up my ass >Implying they wouldn't have to make an entirely different house just for sexual deviants who use their magic for that sort of thing Anonymous
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>Nitpicking at flaws in Harry Potter Its a book for kids!
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>>15953005 >>15953048 Most kids -are- psyched, but magic is complicated and they have to learn a lot of dry theory to do even basic stuff without fucking things up badly.
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>>15953005 what about the fact that all they fucking learn about is how to do magic? what about other education? how to spell and read and do math? what about world history or sex ed? where do all these wizard fags learn that shit?
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>>15953100 They are supposed to learn all that stuff before they go to Hogwarts (well, except sex ed) and they learn the history of the magic world.
But yeah, don't look to closely, the wizard society couldn't really work.
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Does an enlargement enchantment will it work on my penis?
Anonymous
>>15953005 Familiarity breeds contempt.
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>wizard battles involve saying silly words and tossing squigglies instead of trying to fill their lungs with water or boil their blood
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Imagine if 'elf (teehee) and safety went to the wizard world. What's that, Professor Idon'tknowanycharactersinharrypotter? You didn't put an emergency fire exit in the room of fire? I have to shut this school down.
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>>15953100 Hogwarts is a school for witchcraft and wizardry, they go there when they're like 10 or 11, by then they should already know how to read and do math, if Americans have the basics down by then fucking wizards should be atleast around there
Anonymous
Would Voldemort have been able to kill Harry had he just bought a gun and shot him? Or maybe lifted up a rock and crushed Harry with it?
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>>15953234 better yet, he's the greatest dark wizard who ever lived why risk fighting at al and instead just fill the room with some kinda miasma or poison gas
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>>15953100 Other education takes a backseat. That's why the wizarding world is divorced from the Muggle world, and why 95% of wizards are baffled enough whenever they have to go outside their little comfort zone that they can't comprehend a telephone or a toaster. It's also why Arthur Weasley was considered a freak for being fascinated by the non-magical.
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I really like the Harry Potter universe. Hoping for more out of it.Nothing else involving Harry though
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>>15953234 Yes but he tried to use magic and it backfired leaving him mostly dead. Before you say why didn't he just stab in the first place. Why waste effort killing an insignificant kid? It's like you killing a village with an assault rifle and there's a baby who won't shut up. Are you telling me you would walk up to the baby and curb stomp him or shoot him and go about your merry homicide?
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>>15953234 Possibly, a wizard could defend against either of those but not faster than a speeding bullet. However Voldemort hates everything muggle and would never do something like that.
Basically a wizard could put up a shield charm and take out a whole fucking muggle army, but if they didn't get up the shield in advance, they'd be totally fucked.
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>>15953156 The thing is that with magic, so much is possible. It's like, you name it and it's possible.
So I guess my main problem is that in the books and films you don't really see them experiment a lot with magic.
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Voldemort would lose to Vader.
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>>15953321 Well, their in a fucking high school.
Were you experimenting in high school with your chemistry classes?
Anonymous
If he wanted Harry dead so badly and couldn't seem to get it done himself, nor could his death eaters, why didn't he just hire a muggle hitman? Harry would never expect a muggle to snipe him (or shoot himi n the face for that matter) and I'm pretty sure wizards aren't bullet resistance. . . especially if they don't expect the bullet. I think it would be pretty easy to find an assassin willing to do this task too, considering how much Voldemort could pay them.
Anonymous
>>15953349 Voldemort hates muggles and its personal for him, he wants to kill Potter, all the more because Potter keeps escaping him.
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>>15953348 in between huffing ether i made a few small explosives
didn't everyone?
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>>15953349 Most assassins wouldn't accept what wizards use for currency. No one's keeping Galleons in their Swiss bank account. It's actually pretty amazing how savagely the magical community goes out of their way to literally be a different world on every level.
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>>15953321 Fred and George experiment with it a lot, we know that Snape as a young man did as well. The main cast is just too busy being pragmatic about not dying to be possessed by the whimsy of magic.
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>>15953379 This, minus the ether huffing, but the experimentations certainly weren't approved of or condoned.
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>>15953302 >Why waste effort killing an insignificant kid? >"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches. … Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies … and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not … and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives. … The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies…" Guess which insignificant kid that Voldemort tried to kill is being referred to here. Hint, it's not Neville.
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>>15953379 They let you play with ether in high school chemistry? I didn't get around to huffing ether into college. In highschool we just heated things on Bunsen burners, honestly I don't remember why we did that we just did.
Donny !LoveMEvB5s
Here's what I'd do if I were a wizard in the HP universe. First I'd nail the basics, moving objects, making fire etc. Then I'd practice doing spells without having to talk, it is done in the films and books quite some times so I suspect it's possible. When I have this down, I will take it a step further. In one of the films (forgot which) you can see Dumbledore dim and light a candle with his hand. This tells me magic is possible without the use of a wand. I would start practicing this over and over. Next up is the protection spells, I would travel around the world training under the masters. Basically I would become the #1 Wizard of All Time.
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>>15953429 >mfw Voldemort could've simply hired someone handy with a sniper and be ruling the world by now Anonymous
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>>15953429 THIS IS WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS
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I forgot about that, about that one map which shows where everyone in the castle is like a radar. It even worked when Harry was at home in England wherever the fuck he lived. How the hell did Harry's dad and his friends make that shit when they were Harry's age? They must have had sick skills, but then later on Harry's dad gets killed off like he's a fucking pussy. It doesn't make sense.
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>>15953429 You just KNOW someone would try to min-max his spells in HP universe.
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why didnt the eagles simply carry harry and the damn one ring to mordor and drop ring in mount doom
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>>15953429 Nonverbal spells is a NEWT-level examination for Charms, Transfiguration, and DADA, probably a few others. Most adult wizards of any skill or ability have a selection of nonverbals that they use almost daily. The more complex the spell, though, the more skill and mastery is required, and most wizards don't bother getting to that level because it's simply not required. People like Dumbledore and Grindelwald are rare.
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>>15953483 >They must have had sick skills, but then later on Harry's dad gets killed off like he's a fucking pussy. There is no magical defense against Avada Kedavra unless you physically dodge or block it with inanimate objects. Or, ya know, wand core bullshit.
Anonymous
Wizards in the Harry Potter world are too proud of their magic and dismissive of almost everything else. I wonder why they still had a train take students to Hogwarts though. Why not just use a portkey like they did in that quidditch tournament?Or floo network? Other than that almost everything is magic. I'm sure a kid from this decade who went to Hogwarts would probably die of boredom.
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>>15953483 Just because they were really good at making maps doesn't mean they were any good at fighting. For all we know, some fag came up with the idea for the magic map a thousand years ago and they stumbled on the plans for it by accident.
Even if he was a really great fighter for some reason, though (and I don't see why he would be since he was a lazy rich kid as far as I remember), he was up against a guy whose business for the last ten years had been going around doing ethnic cleansing while battling law enforcement man-to-man and usually winning. Voldemort was fucking hardcore.
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>>15953518 >Other than that almost everything is magic. I'm sure a kid from this decade who went to Hogwarts would probably die of boredom. hell no. imagine if some d&d geek was picked? he'd master half the shit in the first year alone and go crazy.
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>>15953518 What baffles me is how crappy their communication is. When their traveling theres absolutely no way to contact them, everything else is done by extremely slow owl.
How about getting a fucking phone or email, would greatly improve their communication shit.
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>>15953483 In James' defense, it took the combined skill of four wizards to make the Marauder's Map, and he was alone against Voldemort. We also never actually see how long James was able to last against Voldemort, or even if he was able to mount a defense before being killed. Considering that the only wizard of the time with even close to Voldemort's magical mastery was Dumbledore himself, and that Lily didn't even try and fight what she knew was a losing battle, it's a pretty good bet that even at his best James wasn't going to be an obstacle for long, not by himself.
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>>15953552 Exactly.
Cellphones>owls
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>>15953552 >How about getting a fucking phone or email, would greatly improve their communication shit. there are faster ways, but they're not used for plot convenience sake. like that fireplace communication... thingie.
Anonymous
>>15953552 Dont they use their patronus spell for fast communication?
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>>15953552 Why rely on technology that can tampered with when you got a owl that understands what you are saying, can find anyone in the world and work as hard to finish your order till death?
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>>15953579 For which you need to get to a fireplace, and the guy/woman you're trying to reach also needs to be at a fireplace, you must also know exactly what fireplace the other is. Cellphones are mobile, yo.
Anonymous
>>15953372 I can understand this, but at a certain point you would think he would look at things in a more pragmatic way - particularly after he and his crew failed so many times. At the very least he could get a muggle to incapacitate and bring Potter to him unarmed and unharmed.
>>15953396 A good point, however I'm sure Voldemort could easily steal or come up with muggle money after he has taken over everything.
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>>15953552 Travel, however, is typically amazingly fast. If logistics isn't an issue, communication becomes less important. Also, there were several other methods employed outside of owls.
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>mfw that ministry fight between dumbledore and voldemort
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Voldemort needs to kill Harry Potter because of that prediction that Harry's gonna be the one to match his powers and consequently kill him. So he's trying to avoid his doom.
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>>15953583 I think they do, but also that they need to know where to send the patronus to.
>>15953592 Because it´s ten times faster. Also, i think they´d be able to make like magical cellphones that don´t rely on any sort of muggle technology.
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>>15953619 By trying to kill Potter he actually made Potter what he is.
It's Oedipus all over again.
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>>15953573 James did not have his wand at the time He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named came to the cottage in Godric's Hollow that fateful night.
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Voldemort didn't even have to kill Harry, all he had to was capture him and lock him in a concrete box and wait for him to starve to death. In addition, Voldemort should have launched his Horcruxes into space or dropped them in the ocean.
Anonymous
About the communication thing, these wizards can fucking teleport once they're.. old enough. Also it seemed to me that there are really no limits to the magic thing in the HP universe. I mean wasn't teleporting (forgot what it was really called) into Hogwarts impossible? But then voldemort and the bunch found a way somehow. This tells me it should also be possible to create defense spells against shit like that one killing spell. Fuck I'd make an awesome wizard.
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>>15953552 >What baffles me is how crappy their communication is. When their traveling theres absolutely no way to contact them, everything else is done by extremely slow owl. Problem is, how would you do it beyond some kind of telephone contraption? It's not like every wizard out there has some unique number assigned to him you can just dial any time you want to contact him. That's why communication methods in HP are very specific person to person, like Patronus, two-way mirror and those enchanted coins.
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>>15953611 He wouldn't have condescended to bother, nor would he have waited that long once the prophecy came into light. Besides, if he didn't do the deed himself, then his foes would always have that hope that there was a weakness in him that could be exploited later, or there would be whispers that he was too weak to kill a boy. Neither would be appealing to a guy like Voldemort, who surrounded himself with schemers and power-hungry fiends.
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>>15953671 >It's not like every wizard out there has some unique number assigned to him you can just dial any time you want to contact him Well, that's sort of what magical telephones should fix.
Anonymous
>>15953645 Why not? Where the hell was it? It's a fucking state of war outside, you'd think he'd have his weapon on him even if he thought he was perfectly hidden.
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>implying voldemort isn't all but functionally retarded no wonder a teenage could beat the guy, he may be good at magic but he's thick as shit, unimaginative too
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>>15953669 Voldemort & Co never were able to Apparate into Hogworts. Malfoy spent most of a year repairing that other Vanishing Cabinet to "dig the tunnel" that let them in from the outside, simply because there was no other way to get onto the grounds that didn't involve slogging through the Scottish moors, the Forests, and all the other myriad obstacles.
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>>15953694 >Besides, if he didn't do the deed himself, then his foes would always have that hope that there was a weakness in him that could be exploited later, or there would be whispers that he was too weak to kill a boy. They can whisper all they want, Dumbledore with the Elder Wand could only stalemate Voldemort. Voldemort with the Elder Wand is likely unstoppable, barring that gay ass Harry Potter shit.
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>>15953645 You're right, I forgot about that part. He'd left it on the couch when Voldemort attacked and never had a chance to summon it before being killed.
Anonymous
How did Voldemort get to be so powerful by the way? Was it just that he was obsessed with practicing magic all the time? Why was there not such a wizard on the good side?
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>>15953713 The protection was absolute, so long as their secret keeper didn't betray them, and James refused to admit the possibility of that. James was relying solely on the power of friendship, and it failed.
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>>15952819 His skills with a lightsaber are equal to that of Mace Windu
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>>15953840 There was such a wizard, Dumbledore. But magic is part inherent genius and part practice, and part of Voldemort's power was just be ruthless enough to use the darkest powers without restraint.
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>>15953774 But as the lesson of the Deathly Hallows taught, possessing the Elder Wand doesn't make you invincible. Eventually, your guard would be let down and someone would cut your throat while you slept. Voldemort spent far too much time and effort to making himself invulnerable to death and unassailable by any attack, be it wizard or otherwise, that any speculation into there being a chink in his armor would have been unacceptable.
Anonymous
>>15953845 But why would he not have his wand with him? It doesn't make sense not to have it. What if he wanted to levitate some shit?
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>someone would cut your throat while you slept. That someone is cleverer than the people in the current Harry Potter world.
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>>15953878 He did have it there, he just didn't have it on his person when Voldemort blew the door off its hinges.
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>>15953887 Utilizing such methods of inflicting physical damage is considered crude, but it has happened. My favorite is Arthur Weasley's description of firearms: ". . .those funny metal wands Muggles use to kill each other."
Anonymous
>>15953887 Just as with muggles wizards don't usually go to sleep next to someone who wants to kill them.
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>>15954044 Their world is paranoid in all the wrong places compared to ours.
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You guys do know the first book takes place in 1992 right, there weren't many iPhones back then.
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>>15953483 >but then later on Harry's dad gets killed off like he's a fucking pussy. Being good at making maps doesn't mean you can stand up against a nigh-immortal dark wizard whose specialty is killing people. They made it clear that if Voldemort wanted you dead, you ended up dead, and it was only a question of how long you could escape his wrath.
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>>15954071 >mfw I was graduating high school then That explains why I never got my acceptance letter.
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>>15953878 That's what wives are for
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>>15953620 >>15953552 Muggle tech doesn't work in the magical world. I think Dean Thomas said that his walkman melted when he was walking with it in Diagon Alley. And in the final book, we do see wireless radios in the wizarding world. But all of these other methods are much quicker, more reliable, and, ya know, cooler.
Anonymous
>>15953761 They could have just apparated into Hogsmeade and then walked up to Hogwarts, like they do in the final battle. They are powerful enough to break through most of the regular enchantments around the grounds to get through. It isn't until the final battle that all the teachers hiked up their knickers and put some more shit down, which is why they had a harder time of doing it.
Anonymous
>>15955611 The only time they would have been able to move openly like that is after Dumbledore and the ministry fell, at which point they didn't fucking need to.
Anonymous
So if the humans nuked the entire planet would the wizards survive?
Anonymous
>>15955611 You couldn't just walk into Hogwarts without clearance. The charms around the place were fucking crazy- both against Muggles and unwanted visitors.
Sirius, Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and maaaaybe Fred and George were the only people alive that new the layout and secret passages around Hogwarts as well as they did.
Anonymous
>>15955752 maybe, its not impossible, since they have locations that can't be put on a map and thus can't be targeted, they have magical healing for the whole fallout thing, and can probably use magic to help some food grow.
Anonymous
>>15955754 And most of those passages were closed up and guarded by book 6, at which point Hogwarts was a full on fortress of magical defense.
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>>15955800 >You now realize that the botany of the Wizarding world could cure illnesses and conditions that muggles can only dream of curing Wizards are assholes.
Anonymous
>>15955754 >>15955666 they wouldn't just be out in the open, they would have more than likely used disillusionment charms, but we saw in the 6th movie that snippet when some deatheaters tried to fly in, they got fucked up.
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>>15955818 http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Secret_passages_at_Hogwarts only one of them was caved in as of '93, and it said somewhere that Voldemort thought he alone had plundered the deepest depths of hogwarts, so it would be reasonable to assume, that because he was a haughty ass hole, that he would overlook the fact that other people could find things, like the room of requirement, for instance
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>>15956066 The Death Eaters didn't even act as a united force until Book 5- and even then they worked behind the scenes and were very discreet per Voldemort's orders.
By book 6- charms on the school had increased tenfold and there were Aurors and shit patrolling the school at all hours of the day. Disillusionment charms can do jack shit from the outside of all of Dumbledore's and Flitwicks shit.
Anonymous
what would happen if Al Qaeda detonated a suitcase nuke inside Hogwarts?
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>>15956298 >implying they could get one inside... although, I guess it is a possibility, Malfoy put the imperious curse on Katie Bell to get her to take a cursed necklace to Dumbledore... although I guess they could do that, but then if it had an electric timer, the timer wouldn't work, and like Dean's walkman, would probably melt, and idk how vital that timer would be to the bomb, but if it melted, the bomb might either go off, or not, I'm not good with explosives
Anonymous
>>15956298 most likely the trigger mechanism would fail due to the power of magic, if it did detonate, it would depend I guess. A lot of the castle is architecturally impossible, and probably held together with magic.
Anonymous
pssssst guys.... hey.. guys... guess what.. guys... voldemort... right? guys... voldemort.. guys..? ready..? voldemort isnt real
Anonymous
>>15956406 Neither, is anything /tv/ discusses
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>>15956370 on the "Architecturally impossible" part, only the staircase and the magical passageways, like passageways that don't go through a straight tunnel, like the one from the room of requirement in book 7 that went to the Hog's Head. That thing was totally impossible, because RoR was on the 7th floor, and you would totally see that shit from the sky
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>>15956419 Don't respond to the faggot that thinks he's cool because he didn't read books when he was a kid.
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if anyone really has any questions about Harry Potter or that world, I can answer them. johnesmithe@yahoo.com it's my troll account that I use to sign up for bullshit websites and such, so send me the questions.
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The main reason why Voldemort doesn't use a muggle as a hitman is because Voldemort doesn't associate with muggles and the use of one would seem inferior to him, even if it would work. He wouldn't stab Harry because knives are muggle technology. It would be like saying why didn't Hitler just use the Jews as an army against the world? Because Hitler didn't *like* Jews. Voldemort doesn't *like* muggles.
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>>15956406 Something we all know.
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>>15956800 Knives aren't muggle technology... i.e. Gryffindor's sword, Bellatrix's dagger, herpy derpy, etc.
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why didn't harry just hide under the invisibility cloak, then use an AK47 to kill voldemort. that's what i would have done
Anonymous
>>15956836 Oh true, there goes my theory. I guess he wouldn't stab Harry because it seems like such an effort and he thinks of himself as such an awesome fucking guy.
Anonymous
He is weaker than the Dumbledore. At any given point in the timeline. Grindelwald was actually more of a badass seeing as he started/helped the Axis in WWII. Further more J.k:Rowling said herself that every magic user would loos in a fight against an armed human. So, go figure.
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>>15956858 He's not stabbing Harry, because Harry is the one threat to him, killing him is glorious triumph over prophecy. Its massively important to him, and so he sides with overkill.
Anonymous
>>15956867 >He is weaker than the Dumbledore. At any given point in the timeline. No he fucking isn't. Dumbledore had the Elder Wand in their duel at the ministry and they could only stalemate each other.
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>>15956867 sauce on her actually saying that?
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>>15956889 Dumbledore would have won, it's just that he wasn't actually trying to kill Voldemort... He said "there are things worse than death"... he wanted Voldemort brought to justice, and just killing him wouldn't bring him to justice because he could have come back again according to the prophecy.
Anonymous
>>15956889 Actually Dumbledore was explicitly not trying to kill Voldemort, we have no clue what a no holds barred match would look like.
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>>15956889 >nop He punked out and left.
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>>15956889 >implying the Elder Wand is worth shit Anonymous
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>>15952819 >wizard >still has to use wand Anonymous
>>15956919 it is... the owner of the elder wand cannot be beaten "WAND TO WAND" therefore, they can be killed, like the original owner, with a knife to the throat whilst sleeping, or like dumbledore being killed by snape, he was disarmed...
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>>15956858 If it makes you feel any better physical confrontations are severely frowned upon in the magical world as we learned when Harry and George fucked Malfoy up on the quidditch field (possibly one of my favorite scenes in the series that I regret not being in the movies) and McGonagal scolded them for "muggle dueling".
Furthermore who would actually run and stab someone when you carry around little sticks that shoot deadly green flashes of light?
Anonymous
>>15956902 >>15956912 That doesn't matter, if Dumbledore was more powerful than Voldemort he would have been able to capture him. Casting a spell to capture someone is as simple as casting Avada Kedavra.
>>15956919 The Elder Wand is the most powerful wand in existence. Combined with a naturally talented wizard you have a nigh-unstoppable magical force. Very few Elder Wand possessors were defeated in duels. IIRC only Grindelwald and some other guy were. Ownership of the wand usually gets passed on by accident or by stealth and treachery rather than an out-and-out magical confrontation.
Anonymous
So is it safe to say that a well armed muggle military could decimate the wizarding world?
Anonymous
>>15956941 though somehow grindelwald fell in a duel
Anonymous
>>15956952 I could be far far far wrong on this statement so no shitstorm on me, but I think that grindelwald relinquished the elder wand to Dumbledore because he saw what it was doing to him... But like I said, I could be way way way wrong on that
Anonymous
>>15956941 Elder Wand users were not just killed. they came down in the worst possible ways.
Besides you must win in every duel to keep him. Dumbledore kept that thing for 50 years or something like that and won every duel and every fight in this period.
Finally the power of the Elder wand seems exaggerated it is not the key plot thing the movie wants us to believe.
I would choose a trusty and sturdy regular wand every time. Heck, Voldemort might be ruler of the earth if he didn't insist on using the fucking Elder Wand.
Anonymous
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>>15956972 Elder Wand possessors CAN be defeated in a duel, it just takes a wizard of uncommon skill and power. Like Dumbledore, for example.
Anonymous
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>>15956979 Just like Harry at the end decided to just use his old wand. He saw how much trouble the elder wand caused, and knew that if he died a natural death, then the power of it would break
Duckfuck
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>>15956956 But that's the thing, while the muggle world knows almost nothing about the wizarding world, the wizards know next to nothing about the muggle world, I would say most wizards, who live exclusively in wizard communities, unlike Harmione and Harry, wouldnt even know what a gun is.
Anonymous
>>15956956 They would definitely be marginally successful, but if a skilled wizard- or even a wizard that used any sort of cleverness or innovative thinking were around they'd get their shit wrecked.
I mean, aside from dueling crazy ass inbred pure bloods and the occasional dark wizard cults I seriously doubt much fighting happens between wizards in the Potterverse.
Makes me wonder if Harry and Ron actually DID anything as an Auror...
Anonymous
>>15956976 >>15956983 Really? Is this supported in the text or by author statements? I always felt like Grindelwald only felt remorse after years in prison.
Anonymous
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>>15956956 No, individually, an average wizard wouldn't even realize a gun is a threat. If they did they'd probably underestimate it, and die before they could defend themselves. But wizards can destroy whole city blocks in a blast, even peter pettigrew managed to pull that off. They can mind control, kill and sow all sorts of confusion. They have powerful defensive charms, and nearly unbeatable counter intelligence.
So in an open war, if the wizards were even close to smart they could pull off a victory.
Anonymous
>>15957012 there would always be dark wizards attempting to rise to power as voldemort did...
Anonymous
>>15957027 >>15957027 http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Grindelwald says Dumbledore "bested" him, I'm guessing he surrendered because he knew that Dumbledore was far superior... and yea, maybe he did think he was doing really bad with the power and it was getting to him, I would have to do some long research into it. But I'm the guy with johnesmithe@yahoo.com for any questions, if you have them.
so powerful that he fails to kill a single student in 6 books, despite releasing a giant kid-eating snake in one of the books.
Anonymous
>>15956956 >>15956956 According to the author: Yes.
The wizards are that stupid and full of themselves.
Anonymous
>>15957039 True, but as organized and widespread as the Death Eaters and Voldemort were?
Highly doubtful.
I'm sure Harry, Ron, and Neville made a kick ass team as Aurors though.
Anonymous
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>>15957074 There are virtually no muggles that know about wizards anyway, and there are strict regulations on who can know about it (i.e. muggle prime minister, muggle born wizard's parents, etc.) and entire ministry departments devoted to changing people's memories when exposed to magic
Anonymous
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>>15957070 He drew first blood in book 4, and killing wasn't his priority early on, well except for harry.
The snake thing was just a ridiculous set of contrived coincidences to prevent things from getting to dark early on.
Duckfuck
>>15956976 No, Grindelwald was famously defeated by Dumbledore. That's how Dumbledore got the wand. That sucks, as Dumbledore was totally in love with Grindelwald.
Anonymous
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>>15957101 they would still have work to do, rounding up all the death eaters and such. And neville probably didn't stay in until the end of cleaning everything up anyway, but I don't know this for a fact. But yea, he was fucking badass
Anonymous
>>15956370 It's said a few times in Hogwarts: A History that mundane technology (cell phones, computers, radios, and shit like that) won't work near places of intense magical power. For example, Hogwarts itself, the Ministry of Magic, Diagon Alley. There's something about magic that fucks up electronics.
Though that wouldn't stop a gun. Rowling has actually said that yes, Muggle methods (e.g. sniping from a thousand yards of something) would have easily dealt with Voldemort, but wizards are so backwards and reliant on magic for everything that they wouldn't ever think to use it.
In short, they're arrogant fucks who haven't realised that it isn't the 17th-18th century any more. Only the Muggle-born ones really have any idea of what's going on, and a lot of them get too caught up in the "wonder" of magic to use modern technology.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15957139 She didn't just say a gun would deal with Voldemort, she said that in an out-and-out war, the muggles would stomp all over the wizards.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15957159 Gonna need some sauce on that
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>>15957159 I think that if muggles ambushed them, then yes, but if the wizards were expecting an attack, there is no fucking way they would do shit. they would have time to put up protective enchantments, the muggles couldn't even find them if they did them right
Anonymous
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>>15957159 well i disagree
Anonymous
>>15957070 You mean personally killing a kid, or do you mean killing Harry?
If the former, I don't know why you think him killing children is so important and affirming to his abilities. Furthermore- Voldemort RARELY killed anyone personally. He sent people to do it. The one time he actually went personally to kill someone--...well we both know how that went.
If the latter, I would remind you that Voldemort was only Voldemort for about 2 and a half books and plot devices got in his way each time he tried.
Anonymous
>>15957203 Voldemort killed enough people to make an army of inferi (see cave scene book 6)
Duckfuck
>>15957067 Yeah... they Dueled. Dumbledore Aprehended him. Thats why he was in Azkhaban. Making Dumbledore the owner of the wand. They say a million times that defeating Grindelwald is what made Dumbledore famous.
I finished the last book and was like "Wait, They didn't explain why Dumbledore was best friends with an outspoken wizard-supremacist in his teen years." then a few days later Rowling explained Dumbledore was gay, then I understood. He was in love with Grindelwald. It all made sense.
Anonymous
>>15957225 Funnily enough, this was one of Grindelwald's goals upon attaining the Death Stone. Voldemort did it the hard way without any silly artifacts.
Anonymous
>>15957232 Actually, he was in Nurmengard... his own prison... ironically, but nevertheless, he was imprisoned
and he was best friends with him when he was younger because he was infatuated with the thought of a new world order where wizards would rule, but after Ariana's death, he realized, "hey, this shit is bad"
Anonymous
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>>15957225 You know what I mean, man. I know he killed alot of people, but after he became an established force to be reckoned with and gained his vast cult of followers he hardly lifted a finger.
Also, did he kill all the Riddles or just his father...?
I can't remember.
Anonymous
>>15957181 >>15957159 http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2005/0705-tlc_mugglenet-anelli-2.htm "Let's say three thousand [in Britain], actually, thinking about it, and then think of all the magical creatures, some of which appear human."
There's only about three thousand wizards in Britain. Out of millions and millions of people.
They're fucked.
Also:
"In a fight between a Muggle with a shotgun and a wizard with a wand, the Muggle will win."
- J.K. Rowling
She just doesn't like guns, so she left them out of the books.
Anonymous
muggles have a much better understanding of how the world works, can you imagine explaining how to split the atom to a wizard? i think muggles would decimate wizards if they knew of their existance. magical or not wizards are bags of meat too and they can be torn apart with brute force.
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>>15957250 Yea, that's an idea (idk if that was ever stated, i could be wrong... proof?) but I would like to think that Dumbledore was drawn to the stone later in life too, but he just wanted his family back.
Duckfuck
>>15957264 What does a wizardocracy have to do with some girl getting in the crossfire of a wizard fight? Dumbledore was in love.
Anonymous
>>15957280 true, straight up, unless the wizard knew stuff about the muggle world, knew what was happening, and could prepare, like 2 armys standing off, at opposite ends of a battlefield, straight braveheart style... they could get ready for it.
Anonymous
>>15957284 That and most Potter spells are weak as shit. One wizard pretty much can only take out one person at a time. There's really no big blast spells, they're all utility spells that do daily-living things and some that make life easier. The curses and such are just not badass enough to fuck up a decent-sized group of Southern hillbillies with guns.
Anonymous
>>15952864 He wants wizards to rule the world, Muggles will serve as slaves to their wizard masters. No technology, only magic. No mating with Muggles either, only pureblood Wizards can practice magic.
He's right Anonymous
>>15957232 >I finished the last book and was like "Wait, They didn't explain why Dumbledore was best friends with an outspoken wizard-supremacist in his teen years." Because he WAS an outspoken wizard-supremacist in his teen years as well.
Muggle kids raped his sister and made her a vegetable because they saw her doing magic, dad kills muggles and gets apprehended for retaliating against them for fucking up his daughter's psyche-...Hell I'd hate us too.
I.E. Grindelwald wasn't the sole reason for Dumbledore's mindset. He just gave it direction.
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>>15957301 I'm not saying he wasn't in love with him, I'm just saying that after he realized that those theories were bad, he might have wanted the stone to bring his sister and mother back. Ariana's death and Grindelwalds fleeing would completely change Dumbledore forever and he would then hate Grindelwald and those ideals because he saw what it brought just between 3 people...
Duckfuck
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>>15957322 It's good that navy seals killed all wizard everywhere between the years of 1999 and 2004 then.
Anonymous
>>15957318 are you forgetting about Voldemort expeling all of that energy from his body in the ministry in book 5? That would hurt some fuckers, and in the movie adaptation, all that glass flying at a bunch of people would fuck shit up...
Anonymous
>>15957312 The wizards have no clue about the muggle world. They don't even know what a GUN is.
Duckfuck
>>15957329 >>15952819 AND Dumbledore was in love with him. That's all I'm sayin'.
Anonymous
>>15957329 it was never implied that she was raped. Although that is a possibility. It was just said that she was bullied harshly and when she couldn't do anything again, I believe that she kind of retreated inside of herself and thought that magic was a bad thing and then had no control over it
Anonymous
>>15957366 Wizards know about muggle stuff, hence Muggle Studies as a class in Hogwarts , and Arthur Weasley being so interested in them.
Anonymous
>>15957361 >are you forgetting about Voldemort expeling all of that energy from his body in the ministry in book 5 I really don't remember it being a big thing, and I'm pretty sure that if it were, not many wizards could do it. Right?
>all that glass flying at a bunch of people would fuck shit up... It could, sure. But couldn't you just have riot gear?
Anonymous
>>15957381 I know, but it's little kids- what else could they have done?
Highly doubtful some 10 year olds would start beating some girls head in with a rock because she wouldn't show them a magic trick. And Rowling implied that her trauma was emotional rather than physical- which is why I assume sexual assault.
Anonymous
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>>15957391 It's Arthur's job to know about Muggle stuff, and he still knows extremely little. That's made clear when he asks all sorts of stupid questions to Harry about Muggle technology.
And Muggle studies, despite it being a class, seems to have very little bearing on the knowledge of the wider wizarding world. Again, they have to be told what a gun is in terms that they understand (a metal wand... which is really is not).
Anonymous
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>>15957402 the wizards don't know what plastic is...
Anonymous
>>15957402 you could, but then there are all the discrepancies in whether or not magic can penetrate things like that that we just cannot know. Like people talking about Voldemort vs. Vader, we don't know if a lightsaber can deflect curses and if they are tangible... if curses are tangible, then maybe riot gear could withstand that stuff, but like in the 5th movie when Sirius is killed, the curse kind of dissolves into him and through his clothes and everything.. but we just have no way of actually knowing
Anonymous
>>15957374 Yes they were also lovers. I know what Dumbledore saw in the mirror of Erised.
He saw a life with Grindelwald, and children of their own. Anonymous
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Burt could take out Voldemort
Anonymous
Grffindor: Brave, adventurous leaders Hufflepuff: Loyal retards Raven: Smart geeks Slytherin: Backstabbing, elitist assholes Who the fuck thought that slytherin would be a good idea?
Anonymous
>>15957431 emotional trauma can come from bullying... do you really think that 10 year old kids back in the fucking 1880's were going to rape a little girl?
Anonymous
>>15957457 > if curses are tangible, then maybe riot gear could withstand that stuff Whoa, whoa, I'm talking specifically about the debris you made mention of with the riot gear. That's why I only snipped that one part. I still think it wouldn't take more than 2 guys with guns to take out the average Death Eater.
Anonymous
>>15957457 Bullshit. It's glass. Just because magic is throwing it around rather than regular physics doesn't mean it will magically slice through protective material. That's just fanwankery.
Anonymous
>>15957465 no he didn't, he saw his family alive and whole, like Harry did. JK Rowling said so herself
Anonymous
>>15957504 Nah she is mistaken.
Anonymous
>>15957491 ok, ok, yea, the glass part, yea
Anonymous
>>15957465 >life with Grindelwald >children of their own. >pick one Not even with magic, homos.
Anonymous
If it's true that she said it, I think Rowling partly said that wizards would get raped in a war with muggles to help her books be more accurate. But in the books, that black wizard was a bodyguard of the muggle prime minister. He could have done the mind control spell on the prime minister at any time and completely ran shit in the muggle world.
Anonymous
>>15957513 I'm pretty sure the author knows what she is talking about
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15957519 That's the point shithead, the mirror shows you that which you can never have.
Fuck you are stupid.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>15957528 A lot of readers wont even accept that him being Gay is cannon, so I choose not to accept that.
Anonymous
>>15957526 You're right, and under the rule of Fudge or Thicknese (who was controlled by voldemort), then he could have, but seeing as he is the one that ran shit after the war and fixed everything, he wouldn't have done that... but yes, he could have done that
Anonymous
This is honestly the best harry potter thread i've seen on 4chan
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>>15957539 please ignore the trolls
Anonymous
>>15957539 No, it shows what you want the most.
Also, why so mad?
You gay, nigga?
Anonymous
>>15957551 Well, you choose wrong then. Good for you, failure
Anonymous
>>15957528 Unless she puts it in a book, its just an opinion.
She may have created it, but that doesn't give her a monopoly on interpretation.
Its true that the wizarding world is a bunch of overconfident idiots, but muggles would have a hard time taking an offensive position at all because muggles can't find or see 90% of wizard shit and the wizards would eventually learn to not be so overconfident after getting a taste of humble pie.
Duckfuck
>>15957488 The guidelines of the houses were planned out by the founders of Hogwarts. The only guideline for Slytherin was that the children be of pure wizard blood. (The hat was confused by harry's residual voldemort-ish traits he gained from when Voldemort tried to kill him, the snake-talking for example.) Sure all the villains are from Slytherin house, but really like 95% of the kids who were in slytherin grew up to be contributing members of society.
Anonymous
>>15957564 Wrong, read the book.
Anonymous
>>15957556 yes, it is... I just wish SOME PEOPLE would get their head out of their asses... and realize that,
>>15957539 you are fucking stupid
Duckfuck
>>15957465 Woah, woah. I said Dumbledore was in love with Grindelwald. Not that they were lovers. Grindelwald did not reciprocate.
Anonymous
>>15957581 The hat wanted Harry in Slytherin because he had a thirst to prove himself, he was ambitious, he would do anything to meet his goals. Which is what slytherins do, they are ambitious
Anonymous
>>15957571 I'm a failure at what?
Dumbledore as a character loves children. It stands to reason that he would want his own. As a gay man he never could have children that were biologically his with the man he loved.
The fact that he would want his family back, granted he loved them, but for the most part made his life a living hell, makes little sense.
I truly think Rowling never intended to reveal what he saw in the mirror, and then when she did just made up something on the spot.
Anonymous
>>15957579 This perspective is lunacy.
She created it. She also holds the final say on what her INTENT was with anything regarding the books. If people have a different interpretation to her, then they are misinterpreting what she was trying to say.
Balzotheclown !8To2nY9aNk
Anonymous
>>15957583 Find me something that explicitly says it shows 'what one can never have' and I will suck your dick.
Duckfuck
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>>15957551 >>Follow an Author's words for 7 books. >>Refuse any perspective she has on it. He's gay. She wrote him as gay. Deal with it. Why does Dumbledore need to be straight?
Anonymous
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>>15957603 And how the fuck do you know that? Because Rowling never said it?
Balzotheclown !8To2nY9aNk
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>>15957620 his family did make his life hell, but he wanted them all together, and happy and whole
Anonymous
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>>15957620 Different guy, but I don't think she would have made something like that up on the spot unless she believed it to be true. I do agree that her word should be the final say though.
>>15957642 I don't think that was said. It's just what you want the most at that moment in time.
Duckfuck
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Adoption. Or Alternatively. Wizard-babies. It's magic. Deal with it.
Anonymous
>>15957626 Well that's straight up retarded. Intent is irrelevant.
Balzotheclown !8To2nY9aNk
Duckfuck
>>15957612 Yes but his Mother was muggle-born.
Anonymous
>>15957626 You do not understand art at all my friend.
The artist creates, the audience interprets.
You don't paint something and go around telling everyone what they are supposed to feel when viewing it.
Stories are no different.
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>>15957526 Dumbledore was gay. She clearly intended him to be gay
Balzotheclown !8To2nY9aNk
>>15957687 So was Voldemort's father, he was a fucking muggle, for christ sake
"Or perhaps in Slytherin
You'll make your real friends,
Those cunning folks use any means
To achieve their ends." -The sorting hat on who the fuck goes to Slytherin
Duckfuck
>>15957674 >>15957688 As I see it, his sex is never explicitly stated, so it would be completely ambiguous. But then She went out and told you she wrote him as a gay man, so then you just have to deal with that. Deal with it.
To me, it explained a lot of his relationships.
Anonymous
Why are you guys arguing about Dumbledore's sexuality? Besides his relationship with Grindelwald it was completely inconsequential to the story itself and irrelevant to the actual character's action in the books' continuity. It was an afterthought that Rowling probably came up with as she was writing the backstory- as author's always do.
Anonymous
>>15957642 Then it's just a coincidence that people see the impossible? Harry sees his parents, they are dead, Ron sees himself as Head Boy, when he fails at life and would never be Head Boy.
And going with what Rowling said, Dumbledore saw his dead family.
So all we have see are not only desires, but impossible desires, it may not explicitly say so but that is what it shows you.
Balzotheclown !8To2nY9aNk
>>15957712 >>15957687 Also:
"And power-hungry Slytherin
Loved those of great ambition."
and here it says "For instance, Slytherin
Took only pure-blood wizards
Of great cunning just like him." but then again, Voldemort was in there.... hmmm... at first, Salazar wanted only pure bloods. He thought they were superior. But It was shown by Harry that the hat takes one's own considerations into account while sorting. Like harry didn't want to go to slytherin because he had only heard bad things about it... and fucking malfoy was a little cunt
Anonymous
>>15957712 The similarities between Voldemort and Hitler are everywhere.
Duckfuck
>>15957688 Yeah but if you poop a yellow smear on a canvas, and tell everyone its a giraffe. The audience can't just selectively ignore that.
It's her words, wether it is on the page or from her mouth. Thats like saying, "I know the book told me Ron's patronum was a dog, I chose to believe it was a giant robot lizard because that is cooler then a dumb old dog."
another HP tripfag !itkDPUBpS6
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>>15957736 You're right. Dumbledore's sexuality didn't matter too much in the story except for him being romantically involved with Grindelwald.
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>>15957722 I was talking about the muggles versus wizards comment not Dumbledore, while I still agree that authorial intent doesn't matter a mote, and that people on /tv/ are too concerned with idiotic ideas like "cannon", Dumbledore being gay is a perfectly reasonable interpretation and one that makes a lot of sense.
Balzotheclown !8To2nY9aNk
>>15957738 Ron could have been head boy if he wanted it badly enough and worked towards it, just like I could have graduated High School with a 4.0 if I wanted it badly enough and strived for it and At the end of book 1, Harry sees himself with the stone in the mirror and then it is there in his pocket... dumbass, do some research
Anonymous
>>15957755 Slytherins are not inherently evil, and Salazar was not evil, he was a great Wizard in his day. It's just that the values of Ambition and Elitism often align with evil wizards and they end up in Slytherin.
Snape was Slytherin and he was fucking awesome.
another HP tripfag !itkDPUBpS6
>>15957738 In book one Harry saw the philosopher's stone in his pocket. Seconds later it appeared, doesn't that mean what you see can be possible?
Balzotheclown !8To2nY9aNk
>>15957801 I never said they were all evil. I understand about ambition and elitism. Just that Harry only heard bad things about it because he talked to people who talked about voldemort and knew he was in slytherin and saw that little cunt malfoy
Lillith
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Someone shoulds stream Harry Potter up in here. I don't even remember a lot of what you peeps are talking about.
Balzotheclown !8To2nY9aNk
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>>15957807 glad to know someone pays attention, besides myself!
Anonymous
>>15957738 It's a coincidence that people generally want what they can't have?
I want a private jet, a hot Swedish wife, and a lifetime supply of dunkaroos, but that shit isn't happening (except maybe the dunkaroos since I'm starting a petition to bring those fuckers back).
It's human nature to want what you can't have, but that's not the argument here. The point is that the mirror shows what you want the most at the moment, and the criteria of that "want" is not limited to the impossible.
Also Ron did become Head Boy and Hermione Head Girl- in case you didn't remember, Harry got all butthurt about it.
Anonymous
>>15957792 No, Ron for all his great qualities would have never been smarter than some of his peers. You may have had the intelligence to get a 4.0. Ron is dim, no amount of effort could change that.
The stone was different, and never really explained, Dumbledore must have set that up.
Or are you saying that the Mirror grants wishes now?
It was designed to drive people crazy, staring at what they can never obtain. Not what they want most in that moment.
The thing I want most in the world right now is a cheeseburger, it would not show me a cheeseburger because then I would walk away and get in my car and go get one.
TerminusEst !!u+uMAzaP9l4
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>>15957792 The odds of him being Head Boy and Quidditch Captain at the same time were astronomically slim. The Mirror of Erised shows what one desires the most, but it doesn't promise that's what you're going to get, or even if it's something you really want to have because if you achieve it, what else is worth living for? It's the striving for it that's most important, not the acquisition. Probably why Dumbledore hid the Mirror instead of putting it in the front lobby for everyone to use: the sight of the perfection of one's desires being theirs must be addictive.
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>>15957767 The author creates a series of events which we upon immersing ourselves in the fantasy of can take to inform ourselves of certain forms of cause and effect, especially regarding the human condition. This is the full extend of the authors influence on interpretation, and we choose how those causal relations shall be consciously generalized. its a sort of vicarious experience.
The use of some 'cannon' is only valuable in having little online pissing contests, where you're trying to prove you're right and the other person is wrong. But its fiction, it has no reality, get over it.
Balzotheclown !8To2nY9aNk
>>15957832 >>15957832 Ron was never made Head boy, he was a prefect in year 6, but not Head boy.
Only Bill and Percy Weasley were Head Boy's when it was their time.
Anonymous
>>15957832 Wow you just lost all credibility, they were Preficts. NOT Head Boy or Girl. Those are not the same thing, there are multiple Preficts. Only one Head Boy and Head Girl.
Anonymous
>>15957832 Ron became prefect, I believe Draco became head boy
Balzotheclown !8To2nY9aNk
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>>15957841 Dumbledore said something about someone wanting the stone but not to use it, could have been granted it, but I could be wrong on that, he might have been talking about something else. I'M NOT SURE
Anonymous
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>>15957860 >>15957871 Oh, my bad.
I haven't read the books in years.
Saying I lost "all" credibility is a little childish, though.
Anonymous
>>15957766 It's implied that Dumbledore's defeat of Grindelwald actually helped bring about the end of WWII.
Dr. Pipper !!QJwIhaWS6k/
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Voldemort has a wide array of skills that are either rare, difficult, or simply too insane for the average wizard to attempt. Despite the deformities caused by certain dark magic, he maintains charisma that has left him with a small group of devout followers, and is able to gain favor with many magical creatures (largely due to the way the Ministry treats them, and promises of better living arrangements). This is likely enhanced by his skills at legillimency (i.e. mindreading), which provide him with the knowledge of what best to say to ensure their favor. Most of his power comes from his nigh-immortality due to 7 Horcruxes and a fair amount of hype from himself, Death Eaters, and the people who fear him. Nevertheless, he was easily outwitted by Dumbledore, the only man he ever feared, and defeated countless times by Harry Potter, whom he considered a potential danger at only a year old. He's not a god, but publicity made people (and himself, though he basically already did) think he is. And I'm sure by now everybody else has said things to that effect.
TerminusEst !!u+uMAzaP9l4
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>>15957819 That is true, Harry knew nothing about the Slytherins until his conversation on the train with Ron, and encountering Malfoy at Hogwart's during reception. There was a lot of bias against Slytherin from those two points, and even with the aspects of Voldemort's personality in his head to suggest to the Sorting Hat that Slytherin would be a good choice for him, he rejected it because ". . .there wasn't a bad wizard in the world that didn't come from Slytherin". Good thing for Harry that the Potters, like the Weasleys, came from a long line of Gryffindors, and that the Sorting Hat takes one's wishes into account before rendering its decision.
Balzotheclown !8To2nY9aNk
>>15957880 It was never stated that Draco or Hermione were Head Boy or Girl, according to
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Head_Boy but the Hermione part was implied, and I doubt that after letting those death eaters in, Draco would have been in the running
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This is the most on-topic thread i've ever seen on /tv/. this thread has received 1 of 4 requests needed to trigger archival.
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>>15957909 Weren't Head Boys and Girls 7th years?
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>>15953396 it's fucking gold man
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>>15957929 How do I request archival? because I want it
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>>15957909 Head boy and girl would have been in year seven when voldemort was already in control of the school, Draco letting the Death eaters in would have been a big plus, though by that book he was getting a little fidgety with the whole thing.
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I always had the impression that Grindelwald's reign was during WWII, and that his demise was around the end.
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>>15957929 yeah, which site is the archive site nowadays?
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Does anybody think the movies will do the final battle at Hogwarts justice?
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>>15957932 yes
>>15957936 there were ways at gringotts to trade muggle money for wizarding money, hence the reason Hermione's parents were able to buy her books
>>15957938 And draco probably wouldn't have been in school either for that year as he would have been with Voldemort. And Hermione returned for her 7th year after the war. But it was just implied that Herimone would get it because she was "the brightest witch of her age"
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>>15957955 From the trailers it looks like it.
I didn't see no Grawp or house elf army though, which makes me have a sad.
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>>15957936 How many people do you know accept gold as payment for illegal jobs, in the day and age of wire transfers? Especially chunks of stamped gold of a make unrecognizable to the Muggle banking community? This isn't the 1800s.
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>>15957955 from the trailers it looks like they're gonna add shit that doesn't make sense in context of the books like they always do
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>>15957941 It might have been around the same time. I thought you were talking about Wizarding War II, not, like, THE WWII. but yea, it might have had some influence
>>15957955 I heard the entire back half of the movie and more is supposed to be the battle and snape's memories and such
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>>15957972 I'm pretty sure if I dropped twenty Galleons in my weed dealer's hand I would walk away with some good sticky.
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>>15957972 see
>>15957961 although, what wizard would really know how to do a wire transfer?
Anonymous
>>15957961 Draco was in school that year, thats why he was there at the battle of hogwarts, he just didn't evacuate.
Anonymous
>>15957961 When is it stated that Hermione had her 7th year?
>>15957965 I hope they do the final battle justice. That is what I've been waiting for ever since the they started doing the movies.
>>15957972 You're right, I doubt too many people would take gold as payment, but Voldemort could find a way to get muggle currency. Or if worse comes to worse just mind control them haha.
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>>15958006 wait why would death eaters PAY a muggle at all, they'd just fucking mind control him.
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>>15958016 and this is why i'm not a tripfag. I've forgotten it half the time
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>>15958011 You might be right, I'm not completely sure. He might have just come in with the death eaters, though, because we see him and crabbe and goyle trying to catch Harry in the end. But I would have to re-read the book to know. I'm not saying I'm right
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>>15957996 And I'm pretty sure he'll shoot you for trying to stiff him with fake gold. No one's going to buy into that bullshit in the real world. You'd have to melt it down and change it into something else so it can be converted over into legal tender just to avoid the questions they would raise, and that's even assuming a Galleon isn't magically resistant to being altered or disfigured.
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Draco was a head boy wasn't he? I think I remember him flaunting that power around.
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>>15957981 congrats, this thread has been requested 4 times and will now be archived:
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>>15958016 "In 1998, Hermione went back to Hogwarts to attain her N.E.W.T.s" from
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>>15958006 Does Gringott's allow Muggles onto its premises to do a reverse exchange? I don't think it's ever mentioned in the books that such a thing is possible. I thought Hermione used Hagrid as the proxy for the exchanges because her parents weren't even allowed into Diagon Alley.
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>>15958037 again, gringotts could exchange wizard money for muggle money
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>>15958062 oh. well good for her. I'm proud.
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>>15958045 No he was prefect, and head of the inquisitorial squad in book 5, but they never said who amongst harry's year was head boy/girl in book 7. But we can assume given the change of governance of the school, that the Slytherin prefects got it by default, that would be draco and pansy I think.
And yeah, I'm nearly certain draco attended school in his 7th year.
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>>15958068 they were definitely allowed in because they were allowed to know about the magical world. They are shown in the second book when Arthur Weasley goes to talk to them about muggle stuff
Anonymous
>>15958068 >parents weren't even allowed into Diagon Alley. They were there in the second book.
Arthur goes and asks them stupid shit in the book shop.
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>>15958084 thanks for clearing up the prefect/inquisitorial squad thing, I was getting to that next
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>>15958085 >>15958088 JINX.
Now you have to buy me some dunkaroos.
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>>15958084 again, though, see here:
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Head_Boy list of known head boys/girls. Hermione was implied, and a lot of people implied Draco
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>>15958099 If I could find them, I would
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>>15958084 Also, she only returned to take her N.E.W.T.s so she wasn't actually in classes, which she probably could have gotten her NEWTs in their 5th year, she was so smart
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>>15958085 Well, that shoots down the plausible explanations for why Voldemort couldn't pay for an assassin. Voldemort confirmed for being clueless and/or arrogant.
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>>15958164 Of course voldemort was arrogant. Seriously, he's got more hubris than Xerxes whipping the Hellespont. And he's got a whole gang of mostly talented wizards who would give their lives for him, he doesn't need to hire an assassin.
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Fun thread, but it's died so I'm going to go watch Game of Thrones now since it's been finished downloading for 45 minutes now. Peace
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>>15958164 not that he was clueless/arrogant, he had his own motives for killing Harry himself. It was prophesized that one would kill the other. He figured that it would be his last step to becoming completely invincible and immortal. He already had his horcruxes and when he learned of the prophecy, Harry was his last obstacle to achieving his final goal
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>>15958182 I know they never said he was head boy, but its the obvious choice.
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>>15958164 Voldemort was most definitely arrogant. That was one of his biggest downfalls.
>>15958158 Not asking you specifiacally, but wouldn't harry have had to at least finish "high school" to become an Auror?
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still, though, if anyone has any questions: johnesmithe@yahoo.com it's my bullshit account for signing up for websites and stuff.
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>>15958182 I wouldn't think he'd be one anyway. He turned down his prefecture in 6th year, plus that whole Vanishing Cabinet/Death Eater thing. The Malfoy name probably took a significant hit on credit even in House Slytherin.
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>>15958210 No, being a the savior of the wizarding world exempts you from a lot of prerequisites.
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>>15958220 it was known throughout hogwarts that the Malfoys were still high standing with the Dark Lord, I mean, he used their house as his base of operations, and that would have made a lot of people nervous. it wasn't until after the war that the name took a stronger hit outside of the slytherins
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>>15958220 As far as I recall he didn't resign as prefect, he just stopped abusing the power at every convenience, but on that one I could be wrong. Either way, his father was in disgrace, but his plan worked flawlessly, Dumbledore died because of Draco.
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>>15958210 "The admission requirements to become an Auror were relaxed immediately following the Second Wizarding War, as Minister for Magic and former Auror Kingsley Shacklebolt permitted any participant in the Battle of Hogwarts to begin Auror training if they were interested. At least some of these recruits, including Harry Potter, Neville Longbottom and Ron Weasley, did not achieve any N.E.W.T.s (they had not attended their final year at Hogwarts)."
from:
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>>15958158 Hermione wasn't that smart, she was booklearned and couldn't think under pressure.
Case in point: Failing her 3rd grade Defense exam because she couldn't defeat a goddamn boggart.
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>>15958278 I wonder if that trait was what drove the Sorting Hat to put her in Gryffindor instead of Ravenclaw.
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>>15958210 Kingsley allowed anyone that participated in the battle against Voldemort regardless of qualifications to become an Auror.
Not like he had much of a choice with Moody, Tonks, Lupin, and who knows how many fodder Aurors dead. He took what he could get.
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>>15958304 Holy shit. I forgot Lupin died. I really need to reread those books. It's making me sad all over again.
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>>15958258 Dumbledore died because of snape, but it went through some technicalities so Voldemort would think it was because of Draco and Snape just helped him. That's why Draco was treated so poorly by Voldemort, he didn't follow out the task that he set for him. But in reality
It was because of Dumbledore and Snape setting shit up that dumbledore died, he set up his own death, so Voldemort was thwarted on that account. Dumbledore didn't want Draco's soul to be so messed up. Dumbledore also wanted snape to control the elder wand in the end, but it was actually draco because Draco disarmed Dumbledore on the astronomy tower that night. So Voldemort was in the wrong when he
killed snape and if I did any looping logic and holes in that, I'm sorry, it was a long explanation
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>>15958304 Lupin was never an auror
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>>15958278 >couldn't think under pressure. I disagree.
She handled real life situations of danger pretty well and cleverly. Last book especially.
She just cared too much about bad grades and the actual outcome of tests.
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>>15958303 Lack of courage? How?
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>>15958278 That would have been her emotions. If you remember, she was able to figure out that extremely difficult logic problem in her first year that would either lead them to the Sorcerer's stone, or kill them if they drank the wrong potion. I would say that that was some fucking pressure. and she was only 11
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>>15958343 I'm aware of what happened, Draco got the death eaters in and disarmed Dumbledore, Voldemort didn't much care that it was Snape who finished the job Draco still accomplished the nearly impossible
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>>15958258 It's not the plan working or not working that was the issue, it's that he betrayed the school. It's one thing to shaft your House, it's another to shaft Hogwarts and the entire wizarding community. While I don't assume he was barred from the premises after the War, I'd suspect that the Slytherins would make certain to recall the Malfoy name being involved in that base treachery for quite some time, and that their influence in their House would be lessened.
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>>15958394 >>15958394 >>15958394 >>15958394 I made a new thread in case this one dies.
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>>15958351 Might as well have been what with his work in the Order.
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>>15958303 "It is likely that the Sorting Hat put her in Gryffindor in the first place, because she chose to be in it, just like Harry chose to not be in Slytherin; on the train, she mentions that, "Gryffindor...sounds by far the best.""
from:
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Hermione Anonymous
>>15958393 Dracos son goes to Hogwarts, the family name isn't so bad. His mother saved Harry's life at the last minute, they may have actually come out okay.
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>>15958359 Nah, just fuckin' with him. She said she chose Gryffindor herself though the Hat suggested she would go far in Ravenclaw.
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>>15958406 Dammit, I was wanting this to die so I could go to bed. lol. but no, I still have my email up johnesmithe@yahoo.com if anyone wants to keep communicating about it after I'm gone
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>>15958424 After Harry saved Draco's life, they were kinda better than they had been before, and the fact that they never really attacked anyone later in the battle helped. but after the war, the school wouldn't have had that kind of discrimination anyway. It would have been back to educating young witches and wizards
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>>15958424 This.
I'm sure Harry vouched for the Malfoys.
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>>15958424 Like I said, not barred, merely lessened. Draco was like a Slytherin centerpiece during his years there until 6th year because of his name, I'm just speculating over whether or not Scorpius would be or if he'd actually have to earn his influence.
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>>15958278 >>15958354 Off the top of my head:
Herminoe chokes in
>First book against the flying keys >The Shrieking Shack against Lupin/Sirius >DADA exam against a boggart (disguised as MacGonnagal) >Department of mysteries >Lestrange vault Hermione thinks on her feet and saves the last best hope of humanity in
>First book with the poisons and shit >Figuring out the basilisk and coming up with a way not to fucking die on her way back from the library >Umbridge's office leading her into the forest >Again, Department of Mysteries >Organizing against Death Eater attack while Dumbledore is gone >Bill and Fleur's wedding >Coffee shop >The entire woodland trek >Godric's Hollow >Lovegood's house I think we can safely conclude that she handles pressure better than most people would.
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>>15958475 I would think he would have to earn it. Although after the battle, and when it was Draco's family, I would see him not raising his kids with the same pure-blood superiority that he was raised with.
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>>15958475 The Slytherin house will still have the children of death eaters, pure blood mania doesn't just die with Voldemort.
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>>15958511 Yea, there will always be people that are going to think pure blood is better than anything, but still, I don't think anyone is ever going to rise to that great power again in the future.
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>>15952819 >DumbleDore wanted Snape to kill him because he was cursed and only had about a week to live. He didn't want MOUTHoy to do it because he didn't want to fuck up his soul >The 3 Deathly Hallows end up being 1-A wand MOUTHoy has that Harry takes from him. (Elder want) The invisibility cloak ends up being Harrys cloak he has [his father owned it, James] and the Resurrection Stone is revealed to be in some ring. >Ron Harry and Hermiony have a huge threesome which Ron and Harry use there "Cockas McLargiest" to get erect boners and stick in in Hermoanies butthole and vagentrance. MouthVOY rapes Molly Weesleys dead body and then shits on Voldemorts penis whilc he rides his snake pets cockkkk TerminusEst !!u+uMAzaP9l4
>>15958572 I can't wait to see those in the next movie.
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