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[1354343275] There is no use trying to reason with people.

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2012 11:27:00 No.106021 View View Reply Original Report

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It never works.

If you just directly state in front of their face why they are wrong they seem to instantly go full retard and ignore everything or fail to understand. You have to use a different angle, give them the information needed to reach the same conclusion, gradually building up their understanding taking care not to tread on any social land mines, but never ever say "incorrect" or "wrong".

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Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2012 01:21:00 No.106023 Report

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who are you talking about anon

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Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2012 01:24:00 No.106024 Report

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Even this hasn't helped. I tried your advice but my grandfather who is stubborn, blind and sleepless insists on making over-drafts in his empty bank account and driving in his broken car while blind.

Instead, it's just better if you give him a busy , time consuming job where he can cause the least amount of damage to society. Preferably in a church environment where the priest can put him in his place.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2012 22:05:00 No.106033 Report

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because your framing your argument without taking into respect said persons own mind.

if your talking to someone and they go blank its because thy are no longer interested and/or listening

yes if you treat them like sentient beings and nudge them to make the same conclusions you did based on said information then they will hopefully see the world from your viewpoint for that moment.

I'm not sure if you where stating that or trying to clarify something so...

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Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2012 23:20:00 No.106034 Report

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You're using reason to argue that reason is useless.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2012 23:23:00 No.106035 Report

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I usually ask people to justify why they think the way they think and then I instantly win any argument, because people just fail justification and run away, saying "fuck you".

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Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2012 23:31:00 No.106036 Report

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>>6
Any way, this ELIZA tactics had made me many enemies.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Dec 2012 21:25:00 No.106045 Report

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Ask questions. If you can ask the right questions you can stay in control of the discussion and make your opponent scramble for answers. You can ask questions that challenge his point, ‘What evidence do you have for that claim?’ You can ask hypothetical questions that extrapolate a trend and give your opponent a difficulty, ‘What would happen if every nation did that?’ Another useful type of question is one that calmly provokes your foe, ‘What is about this that makes you so angry?’

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Anonymous Mon 03 Dec 2012 21:28:00 No.106046 Report

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Listen carefully. Many people are so focused on what they are going to say that they ignore their opponent and assume his arguments. It is better to listen carefully. You will observe weaknesses and flaws in his position and sometimes you will hear something new and informative!

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Anonymous Mon 03 Dec 2012 21:35:00 No.106047 Report

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Use punchy one-liners. You can sometimes throw your opponent out of his stride by interjecting a confident, concise cliché. Here are some good ones:
      That begs the question.
      That is beside the point.
      You’re being defensive.
      Don’t compare apples and oranges.
      What are your parameters?

Ridicule and humiliate your opponent. This can be very effective in front of an audience but will never win over the opponent himself.

Deliberately provoke your adversary. Find something that makes them angry and keep wheedling away on this point until they lose their temper and so the argument.

Distract. Throw in diversions which deflect the other person from their main point.

Exaggerate your opponent’s position. Take it way beyond its intended level and then show how ridiculous and unreasonable the exaggerated position is.

Contradict confidently. Vigorously denounce each of your opponent’s arguments as fallacious but just select one or two that you can defeat to prove the point. Then assume that you have won.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Dec 2012 03:56:00 No.106058 Report

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I prefer to role play their insanity until it contradicts itself. Then I mock their indecision and how their madness is holding back society. Try to use their wording and quote them as directly as possible. Avoid paraphrasing until the final point. [Christianese is a applied usage of the English language]

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Anonymous Tue 04 Dec 2012 19:58:00 No.106067 Report

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>>11
Ok. I'm "insane" - I ask, what is wrong with killing all Jews? Why cant we, goyim, kill Zuckerberg and take his capitals?

How do you prove me wrong?

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Anonymous Tue 04 Dec 2012 20:06:00 No.106068 Report

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You're already insane enough and don't need to be proved wrong. Only crazy person would want to hurt God's chosen People.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Dec 2012 20:11:00 No.106069 Report

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May Hashem comfort you among the other mourners of Zion and Jerusalem!

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Anonymous Tue 04 Dec 2012 21:35:00 No.106070 Report

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Anonymous Wed 05 Dec 2012 23:09:00 No.106088 Report

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ooyyy veyyyy it's like another shoah in this place! i can't stand you goyim chutzpahs, why can't you just accept your place?

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Anonymous Sun 09 Dec 2012 16:16:00 No.106135 Report

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And yet another thread gets ruined.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Dec 2012 04:09:00 No.106149 Report

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OP here, not sure what to say. Thinking about it. Give it time.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Dec 2012 19:51:00 No.106179 Report

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This is quite true. And in my opinion the fact that we notice this speaks well about how we can sniff out the human condition. => "A point in space is an argument place" <=

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Anonymous Fri 31 Jan 2014 21:03:00 No.109814 Report

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Your comment is what expert called "Orwellian Measurement Scale", and I bet you didn't know what this mean!

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