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There isn't ONE religion in the world that doesn't agree that something's wrong with us. With humanity, in general. Every religion tells us there's something to fix, some subconscious wrong we do. Every religion knows we're designed to want, to do bad, to be evil. And (most) religions push us to be better people; and, determining on how one perceives his/her religion, sometimes a minority (gays, non-believers, etc.) are an exception to that. Hell, even atheists strive to be better people. (Or, at least, can admit that the general human race has some shit to clean up.) For thousands of years this has been the case. Why would everyone have a similar set of morals? Why would 99.9% of the population over thousands of years agree that killing other people is wrong? Why would they agree that stealing is bad? That helping others over yourself is a good thing? Why don't animals share the same guilt that every human possesses? This has been bothering me for a while.
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WITHOUT EVIL THERE CAN'T BE GOOD THEREFORE EVIL IS JUST AS GOOD BRB LISTENING TO PANTERA AND CUTTING MYSELF
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Looks like someone needs to google the evolution of altruism!
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the same reason we all piss and shit and eat and breath the same way faggot. We think the same way too. Psychology 101 applies to all humans
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>>7556878 >Why don't animals share the same guilt that every human possesses? Besides, it's not like having morals is a required method of survival. Why would we develop one?
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because we can step back from our lives and look at them from something approaching an outside perspective and see that the aren't everything that we might want them to be. unless you are charlie sheen that is
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>>7556895 they are needed for society to function
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>>7556857 You're an idiot, if you had put some depth to your thought you would of realized this. The likes of the morality involved with murdering someone has been a stigma that has been heavy with us for hundreds of years. The reason being that, the weak, are the majority, therefore they want security from such "atrocity" and so forth they claimed it to be "wrong".
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>>7556863 >cutting himself to pantera Anonymous
>>7556933 Furthering my point, morals are good for business. They're there for society to both function, survive and thrive, not because there is some almighty moral system built into us.
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>>7556948 But, even people who live in solitary for their whole lives.
If they see someone in the forest dying of starvation, the solitary person feels the need to feed that poor human.
Obviously it's not something we force ourselves to believe for the sake of humanity. It's an instinctual thing. Like fear. Everyone has fear. It's just a tool necessary for survival.
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>>7556962 People who have lived in solitary their entire life, with their own set of codes to survive may leave the person to die in fact. On the other hand, what favors can this person do for me? That's exactly what they'll be thinking, not, I must save this poor soul. It's all about the return value and fear of reprisal, do not believe otherwise.
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>>7556972 Animals don't see this because they do not have the intellect to obtain foresight to understand the concept of return value, nor do they understand the concept of reprisal and therefore are immune to are so called "morals".
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Holy fuck we've had this discussion a thousand goddamn times and all it that ever happens to these threads is pretentious faggots find them and spout their retarded beliefs about how "there's no such thing as morality and we should stop conforming to society's code of right and wrong" and all this other bullshit that only a retard would believe.
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>>7556995 You make an interesting point.
Does this also apply to their ability to love? Or has everyone with a good relationship with their dog/cat just been kidding themselves?
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>>7557016 Love is difficult to tie down, I'll admit that. It's a lot more complicated than morals, of course love in theory could be a practice to which ensures the protection of our gene pool or beneficial relationships such as with your pet. Without that one complex emotion, our species would be a lot weaker, however, currently the way in which love is portrayed, it can become our worst enemy.
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>>7557016 >>7557045 I misunderstood your question, I imagine you get my point though. An animal has a beneficial relationship with you in that, you allow it to keep active, both mentally and physically and most importantly you feed it. Of course, given that love isn't portrayed to animals in the same way , it could be entirely logical, unfortunately.
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To make myself clear, I do not believe that we should stray from our code of morals or emotions, although they have been portrayed in an incorrect manner, they exist for a reason, your own benefit and in most cases, that of others too.
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>>7557110 I prefer my own philosophy and psychological basis, I am familiar with Friedrich Nietzsche.
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Dude, it's altruism. Evolution can explain it. There's nothing paranormal about it. Moving on.
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>>7557140 A healthy discussion of morals is not to be ended by your right, sir.
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>>7557179 But this thread was!
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There is a theory that metaphysics has to exist because there was never an early atheist society. Its the idea that more natural living was "in tune" with other forces and the vague interpretations of those forces became religion. The history of religion is a bit of a scary one. There are many similar gods in older faiths and overall the number of gods has always diminished. Even in Hinduism there is the concept of "Brahma" which while hard to explain can be said that its a monotheistic aspect. Since when everyone dies in Hinduism they simply become part of the universe (Brahma) all gods are just extensions of the same universe. Like the protestant concept of the triune god (Jesus, God, Spirit) except times a thousand. Another notable fact is that every faith is at its "last" step. There are no more stages left in Christianity except Revelations. There are no more stages left in Islam except the 12th Imam. Every significant faith is on the verge of preparing for the end of times. Of course this has been the case for at least a few hundred years, but its interesting bullshit none the less. I think the existence of sentient life is proof that there is some form of higher intelligence. Whether that form is pure is unknown, but there is something beyond conventional life out there.